Children Of A Rabbi Who Molested A Woman On An American Plane Ask Judge To Give Their Father Probation–In Israel

Having his father serve a possible six month sentence in an American prison would "hurt my match making possibilities,” one 21 year old male child says. "DAD COME BACK. WE NEED YOU!!!" Another, a 22 year old female, pleads, "This could harm my match making process- starting a home. My whole future depends on it." Another adult male child says, "I would like to get married properly with my father at my side please."

 

Rabbi Gavriel Bidany molested a woman on a plane. He was arrested, tried and convicted in IS Federal Court and is scheduled to be sentenced tomorrow.

Three of his adult children, all allegedly unmarried, wrote letters to the judge claiming that a prison sentence for their father would pose an undue hardship on them – it would hurt their marriage prospects.

Bidany could get six months in prison, but his children want their father sentenced to probation – and they want him to be allowed to serve his probation in Israel.

The letters, which can be read on The Smoking Gun, express no remorse and show no sympathy for Rabbi Bidany's victim – a female Israel army officer.

The Smoking Gun has the story and the letters here.

Comments

[Maple Bacon]

This level of selfishness makes me sick.

[ah-pee-chorus]

in the sons letter it says , "my father is willing to supply a helping hand 24 hours a day."
i think he meant 'groping hand' but his english isnt that great.

his daughter wrote, " he is our role model for education and values".

what chutzpah!! i guess no criminal pervert should ever be sent to jail if they have families of their own.
STOP WHINING!! and get a clue as to what would have been appropriate to include in your letters.

[pierre]

What strange people. In my way I empathise - the pursuit of justice in abuse/assault verdicts (often even accusations), can create more victims than pursuit of suspects by auto (which are now avoided at virtually all costs; helicopters)- but...what strange people. He looks charedi, but they have "Mizrachi" names; within Israel, they must live in a both a culturally AND religiously-insular community that they present their case this way, and that their father behaved this way. They almost count on the fact that it's an American circumstance to insulate them from fallout in Israel; are they so reliant on insularity that they believe NO ONE interacting with their community be aware when their family name is so public?...

[Alter Kocker]

The adult children of a deviant wanting him unleashed. Sounds like he directed the letter writing campaign.

He needs to be locked up with all of the other sexual predators.

[Loshon Hora]

Be real! What do you expect? All people think about themselves first,[& that is how it suposed to be your life comes B4 your freind's life]. All should stick up for their father, one may not testify against one's father in Beth Din nor contradict him.
They don't know this chayelet, and don't want to know what their father did.They feel she ruined it for them, after what did they do to her? Are they responsible for their father's sins, did they chose their father?
Covering up for a father or a son is a little different than a Rabbi covering up for a perp.
Many who's fathers molested them cover up for their father before feeling sorry for themselves, & those strong ones make it, The others don't move on. Not to say it could be expected from all of them, nor are any 2 cases a like.Really who could judge someone who's father molestted them?

[seymour]

I wonder was there ever a cherdie who admitted their crimes and ask for forgiveness and acknowledge for their crime and the hurt they caused others.

Of course it create hardship just like anybody else who has kids and might sit in prison.

do they really think that they are special and should never be punished for their crimes

[David]

it would hurt their marriage prospects.

Why? Having a sexual deviant father would prove that they subscribe to typical Charedi values. It would enhance their marriage prospects.

[Yankel]

You have it all wrong, this is a truly religious hater having her day, but we all going to see how with time she will put on shame, she will admit to her lowly lies, and the people that punished this Tzadik, will be punished in a ten time fold, for being such perverts.

[seymour]

You have it all wrong, this is a truly religious hater having her day, but we all going to see how with time she will put on shame, she will admit to her lowly lies, and the people that punished this Tzadik, will be punished in a ten time fold, for being such perverts.

Posted by: Yankel | May 11, 2011 at 03:32 PM

I bet you say that to all the molesters.
since it is impossible for a frum person to commit a crime

[ah-pee-chorus]

Yankel- may i ask what evidence you have for this aside from his beard and kippah? or is that evidence enough?

[jj]

To the comentator calling him a tzadick, especially a rabbi who is a role model does not smoke and certainly not in public. secondly. He obviously taught his own kids not to trust in hashem because the kids are actually convinced that this story is going to affect thier shidduchim . While anyone with a half brain knows that everything in this world including shiduchim is from hashem. its all a a farce

[Barry]

Ah-pee-chorus, is this the evidence you are after?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4aEJ_6TNZQ

The tzadik was just trying to adjust what was out of whack.

[ah-pee-chorus]

Barry - hilarious.

[Mike]

I think the cat is already out of the bag as far as their marriage prospects go...

[steve]

If it were DA Hynes and Kol Tzedek handling this case, they would gladly acquiesce to their request.

[tooclose2detroit]

makes me wanna eat shrimp-o crap-i forgot.-maybe i will give up veganicity to eat shrimp.

[schneur]

Perhaps the kids could go on Frumster to find a shidduch .

[effie]

If there own father didn't care enough about their marriage prospects to keep his hands to himself, why should the judge?

[effie]

there = their

[Alan]

How many Haredi Rabbis can you fit in an American prison?

At this rate, I am afraid to ask!!!! Should we give a Hebrew name to each prison? Asirei Tzion d'Leavenworth? Kolel Elyon shel Ee Rikers? The Dossim of Alcatraz? How about: Beit Don't Know Dina D'Malkhutcha Dina?

[Loshon Hora]

All you posters above,& Shmaryahoooo too, just imagine for one minute it was your father who id it.
Would you be posting this stuff.
What have the kids done wrong to deserve this father & more to be embarrassed of him?

[tooclose2detroit]

LH-I woulda kicked his ass myself, I woulda disowned the bastard, and I woulda changed my name-any other questions??

[steve]

Vayikra 20:5

"Then I shall concentrate My attention upon that man and upon his family; I will cut off from among their people, him and all who stray after him to stray after the Molech."

In Maseches Shevous 39a, R' Shimon asks, how did the family sin? Why should they be punished for the sin of their father? The answer is that this passuk teaches us that the man's family will be most likely to cover up for him and Hashem hates cover ups! Rabbeinu Bachya adds that the family is responsible if it was their influence that shielded the sinner from punishment by the court.

[Isa]

""""All you posters above,& Shmaryahoooo too, just imagine for one minute it was your father who id it.
Would you be posting this stuff.
What have the kids done wrong to deserve this father & more to be embarrassed of him?"""

My wife should have wrote her father off from what he did to her.

I certainly would have wrote my father off if that crap happened to me

[Zalman Alpert]

Loshon Hora ,
Your thinking is crazy. We are supposed to be choshed our fathers to do such a thing? Really ? Frankly SIr, if my father did this I would want to have nothing to do with him . I would be worried about him man- handling my sister and worried for my mother's safety , I would also be very worried about him doing this another time to a girl friend of mine !!! or to my kallah ! not for a shidduch with a big hocker in Bnai Brak.
Presently there is a rape trial in NYC against 2 police officers. The actual rapist has children of his own , perhaps he too should ask the jury for mercy as his children too need to get married and need a dad.
Friend. Our judicial system is not a shadchanus agency. Nor do our judges need to think about all the meshugene "investigations" Charedim do for marriage possibilities.Finally our judicial system does not take away the bechira of the people accused. As Bereta used to say on tv , you do the crime - you do the time !!
Mercy and mechillah is something this holy man should ask from Hashem , and his family not from the judge.
By the way did this gent even apologize to the victim ? Did he ??? !!!!

[Yosel]

Whoever wrote this article is a pur unadulterated Bastard with all its connotations included!! (even down to the comment of the "allegedly" unmarried children. Whatever you wish for frum jews should hit you hard on the way out, brother. But Real hard.

[steve]

LH is following R' CD Zwiebel who argues that we shouldn't deprive the family of the sex abuser their "breadwinner" and that therapy is a preferred alternative to prison.

[seymour]

LH is following R' CD Zwiebel who argues that we shouldn't deprive the family of the sex abuser their "breadwinner" and that therapy is a preferred alternative to prison.

Posted by: steve | May 11, 2011 at 07:20 PM

true but that only applies to frum Jews if a goy molested a yid they scream fry him.

all their bs why someone should not go to prison they never apply to a non Jew
or non Orthodox Jew

therefore the real reason is simply a frum Jew should be punished for their crimes period

[A. Nuran]

Yankel, he's a pervert who committed a sexual assault. I suppose to some that makes him a tzaddik. But in the real world, the one where a beard and a bobbed dick doesn't make you God, people like that are considered deviants and criminals. They go to jail.

[emmylou]

I would be ashamed of my father for such a thing. I would not long to have him back. I would long to see the back of him. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

I suspect that the kids know he's a bad egg too.

[Loshon Hora]

Again you miss the boat, what do you want from the children? They are entitled to respect their father & try to get him out.
That does not make me complacent to his crime.
BTW they don't seem to deny the justice system, they are just begging for mercy. I see nothing wrong with that. They also feel embarrased and are worried about the negative affect on them. They have a right to be.
I guaratee all of you that if it was your father /son/ brother or best freind you would feel the same.You would lose sleep over it too.
Maybe the defence lawyer is also a scum bag?
It is his job after all, childrens job is also to look after their parents, it is in the 10 cammandements too.
This is not as if a principal or Rabbi is covering up for a child molester & abusing his power, out of denial or to save his institution, and the perp continues his crime.
This is children asking a judge to have mercy on their father.
I hope this doesn't have to happen to you posters for you to know the feeling.
You posters are redicules and mean no good.
BTW he isn't a Chareidi he is a Teimoni BT, who is still in the making, he may not have got to Even Hoezer part of Shulchan Aruch yet.
I agree with Yosel 7.20.
I don't know who Zwiebel is nor do I want to know.
The same way a lawyer could request lennience so could a kid, and it is their right.
You posters want to see the judge put this guy away & throw away the keys.
I am sure all of you have broken the law enough to get 6 months if caught & convicted. You may not even know you have broken the law, but the jury may not buy it.
G-d shows you some one else's sin, to pass verdict on your own the way you judge other you will be judged.
See the story with Nathan & David & the poor man's sheep.
This story happened to get you people to judge so that you could be judged.
Be careful.
Disclaimer: I don't condone any immoral acts.

[A. Nuran]

Loshon Hora, you don't disappoint. A Jew commits a crime. He is caught, has a fair trial with representation and is convicted. Most of us are embarrassed by what he did and hope he gets appropriate consequences.

But solely because of his religion you want him to have special treatment. And you go through the usual pathetic Charedi litany of threadbare smears. "Maybe he didn't do it." "Maybe he didn't have a good lawyer." "Other people did worse crimes." "Maybe the judge was struck by orbital mind control laser beams."

If an Arab had done exactly the same thing to a Jew you'd be howling for blood. But since an Orthodox Jew did it to a secular aporikos slut your standards change.

Plenty of families are hurt when someone goes to jail. A sole breadwinner is incarcerated leaving a family destitute. A sole parent goes to prison, and his or her children end up in the foster care system for ten years.

"I might have trouble getting just the marriage I want several years down the road if he actually serves any time. Send him back home and make sure he can go back to his normal life right away" isn't even in the same world. The judge is going to consider their request for about half a second and do what he thinks is appropriate.

He should be treated like anyone else who has done this sort of crime. If that means six months in jail, it means six months in jail. His religion and the way other people in that sect might react to his children because of him serving time should not enter into it.

[ruthie]

wow..effie...good point...
yankel....are you stupid?

[effie]

Those letters written by his children are creepy. One, he's not going away for 20 years. Two, they sound like they are little babies. I know they are laying it on thick thinking it will influence the judge, but it just comes across as ridiculous.

[R.BEN-NUN]

is that guy smoking a cigarette in that picture? This guy does not deserve to be called Rabbi. Rabbis everywhere have been disappointing me, so my only Rabbi is Jesus of Nazareth. NO JOKE!

[ah-pee-chorus]

made the ny daily news and post.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/05/12/2011-05-12_lock_up_dad__we_cant_be_wed_rabbis_kids_cry.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/bride_and_oy_iOm0zz0ID12O87XsxH0HPL

[ah-pee-chorus]

. Rabbis everywhere have been disappointing me, so my only Rabbi is Jesus of Nazareth. NO JOKE!

Posted by: R.BEN-NUN

what shul is he at?

when you pick a guy that never lived its easy not to be disappointed. unfortunately in this case even his teachings are ridiculous and immoral.

[tooclose2detroit]

is that guy smoking a cigarette in that picture? This guy does not deserve to be called Rabbi. Rabbis everywhere have been disappointing me, so my only Rabbi is Jesus of Nazareth. NO JOKE!

Posted by: R.BEN-NUN

Uhh-because he smokes?-so, the guy gropes a woman, and that doesnt tilt the scale-but, he smokes!-ahh, then for sure he is evil-with that type of "logic" i can understand why you believe in what you believe in.

[EileenK]

Actually, I thought the letters were rather clever. I don't know how much weight they carry, but I suspect the defense attorney coached them. Here is how and why I think they might work.

Rabbi is a father with a large family and many family responsibilities -- This means low flight risk and possibly good candidate for probation.

The Rabbi is a first time offender(?) and otherwise a man of good character -- I'm not sure how much weight grown children's testimony has, but again character witnesses influence sentencing, but one can interpret that this man may not pose a possible danger, due to his good character.

Who knows, the strategy might work, or it might not. Either way, it's interesting to read the reaction to the letters.

As for the part about shidduch, I consider that a mitigating factor toward

[EileenK]

Sorry for the stray sentence at the end of the last post. Sometimes the fingers go faster than the brain.

[Loshon Hora]

But solely because of his religion you want him to have special treatment. And you go through the usual pathetic Charedi litany of threadbare smears. "Maybe he didn't do it." "Maybe he didn't have a good lawyer." "Other people did worse crimes." "Maybe the judge was struck by orbital mind control laser beams."

A-Nuran
Nowhere in any of my posts do I sugest he get off because of religion, let alone soley because of religion, for that matter his children don't even suggest that.
You guys twist what ever you want & how ever you think you can, so that you could bad mouth chareidim, or any one was willbe or may become or may be a Chareidi.
That is anti-religious bias & anti American, and in some cases not protected by free speach, especialy went it is libelous.

[S.]

Yeah, I don't get the horror here. Parents and children are allowed to stick up for one another, and its not the job of his children to show remorse for something which they were not party to.

[Zalman Alpert]

Lashon Hora-
One does not need to study Shlchan Aruch to know that these deeds are NOT DONE.

[R.BEN-NUN]

Actually he lived and still lives, and you'll never find him at a "Shul" he's the high priest of the TEMPLE of Israel, and the Sheppard of his Church. And if you think his teachings are ridiculous then you think YHWH is ridiculous...don't step on that line called BLASPHEMY children of Israel...he came for you, for IT IS WRITTEN “...I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel...” MATTHEW 15:24

[R.BEN-NUN]

OH...ALSO ISRAEL, I NEVER SAID THE GUY WAS EVIL..DON'T BARE FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME OR CLAIM WORDS THAT I DID NOT...REMEMBER YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THAT ;)

[Loshon Hora]

Zalmen Alpert,
Which deeds are not done?
What the children did?
If you meant anything but that you haven't read my posts. I have only spoken about the children writting support letters for their father, and that is done & should be done. In my opinion, & in the 10 comandments.
I haven't spoken in support of the father's deeds in any of my posts, besides that I don't condone imoral acts.
It amazes me, how you haters & racists Anti-american anti-chareidi twist all they can against us.
This man who none of us in Yeshiva would have wanted as our room-mate grew a beard, & put on a black jacket so that he could raise funds from Chareidim, and be part of the family. NOw he gets caught you blame all chareidim.
Demadyuk was just convicted. He got five years for thousands of murders, and you want this guy to get life for touching, not because he touched, that doesn't bother you. You don't care, you want him in Jail because he is in your eyes a Chareidi, and only because he is a chareidi.
I must be honest with you, like Hitler wanted the world Juden rein, you want the world Chareidi rein. Like Hitler called anyone with a Jewish grandparent Jewish, you call anyone who was, is wannabee, willbe, couldbe, maybe chareidi a chareidi, & you want them to be obselete.
You are Jewish Hitlers, you wish all Chareidim were wiped out.

[effie]

What good character? He's been convicted. And, he's a danger to women who don't want him touching their genitalia. Remember he denied it and has shown no remorse for his actions or even admitted that he has a problem. Flight risk? Once he's in Israel, he's not going to come back.

Letters deflecting blame from the father for his actions onto the court are not very persuasive.

[tooclose2detroit]

OH...ALSO ISRAEL, I NEVER SAID THE GUY WAS EVIL..DON'T BARE FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME OR CLAIM WORDS THAT I DID NOT...REMEMBER YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THAT ;)

Posted by: R.BEN-NUN
my name's not Israel, dammit-its tooclose2detroit, and my friends call me 2c2d, so get that straight-and you DID mention smoking in the reason that you are dissapointed in Rabbis-if he is addicted to nicotine, thats his problem-last i heard, twas still legal-i cant stand smoking, it killed my mother, but if a person smokes outside, and doesnt bother others, then he is still worthy of respect-if he gropes women on airplanes, he deserves to be kicked in the nuts-i hope you have that clear.

[ah-pee-chorus]

...don't step on that line called BLASPHEMY children of Israel...he came for you, for IT IS WRITTEN “...I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel...” MATTHEW 15:24

Posted by: R.BEN-NUN

and dont YOU step over the line of BLASPHEMY of the INVISIBLE BLACK UNICORN!...he came for you, for IT IS WRITTEN “...I was sent only to the lost sheep of that Nazareth dude...” RAMBLINGS OF THE IBU: 1:27

[Loshon Hora]

Are you guys on about yet another failed messiah?

[camerafreak]

Well this is a problem with allot of these ppl they would kill themselves before they would be seen walking into a strip bar or a peep show so this is one of the problems that could come from their whole strict society

[tooclose2detroit]

yes, people that hang out in strip bars and peep shows would never grope women-whew-glad we got that straight.

[Adam Neira]

Abused children often defend the perpetrators. Akin to Stockholm Syndrome.

But as Malachi 4:6 states...

"And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."

We are in Messianic Times and there is a lot of intra-familial redemption going on so the children's response is valid.
Again if he had acted responsibly and kept his hands to himself he would not have put the girl, his family, himself, the courts and the authorities in this position. The case probably cost a lot of money, but bizrat hashem the publicity will prevent other similar acts in the future. The benefits of a more interconnected world are that people are far more aware than they used to be. Ignorance as an excuse will not hold water at the moment. When someone does something wrong and we know about it one of the responses is “What if we had done the same thing ?” Empathy for another’s situation does not imply condoning of the bad actions. There are billions of cases of sexual impropriety since the dawn of time. The amazing thing now is that the redemption unfolds exponentially when massive amounts of people instantly change their mindset and behaviour. The layers of calcification are slowly being peeled away all around the world.

[seymour]

yes, people that hang out in strip bars and peep shows would never grope women-whew-glad we got that straight.

Posted by: tooclose2detroit | May 12, 2011 at 05:48 PM

maybe they can use that as an outlet

anyway the real issue again is not that some frum guy did this. as always it is the reaction from the community at large that the frum should not be punished like everybody else and or never ever admit guilt or shame for their crimes

[WoolSilkCotton]

"...these ppl they would kill themselves before they would be seen walking into a strip bar or a peep show..."

The key thing is not to be seen walking in.

Baseball cap and large sunglasses are recommended as you approach the entrance.

[Honor your parents!]

"Shmarya" if it was your dad, let's hope you would also rise to defend him. Unless your dad was also abusive to you. Perhaps there is a reason why you hate Orthodoxy so much.

[Shmarya]

I don't hate Orthodoxy. I cover Orthodoxy's failures and its problems.

That said, I do hate many haredi Jews' tendency to blame truthful reporting on Orthodoxy's problems to presumed defects in the reporter's family or personal history.

[Adam Neira]

To Honor Your Parents...

The commandment to honour your parents is negated if one or both of our parents sexually abuses you. The ball of forgiveness is always in the victim's court even if the perpetrator is a victim themselves. The perpetrator must do everything in their power to redeem themselves and the situation. Another issue overlooked or not even understood by all and sundry since the dawn of time is that certain societal settings foster evil. Bad design can create bad behaviour. The divine gift of free will must also be thrown into the mix. The real tipping point with the Redemption will be when people just turn to non-violence en masse for no other reason that will feel compelled to do so. Not long after all the cannibals lose their appetite will we witness the mature Messianic Age. The cycle can be broken.