Crown Heights Man Arrested For Allegedly Raping Female Family Member

The Chabad hasid is being arraigned in the next two hours in Brooklyn and may be be released on bond.

 

The man, who I will not name until after the details of the arraignment are made public, allegedly raped a 14- or 15-year-old relative.

The man allegedly claims he was raped as a child by a teacher in his yeshiva, and says that is why he raped his niece.

Update 11:35 pm CST 5-2-11 – Updated post with the man's name, the charges against him and other information.

Comments

[Ezra]

And because the Rebbe didn't rise, he had to.

[pedro]

How much do you wanna bet he is a BT

[Yoily Weiss]

I'll bet anything he's a chassid. It's the chassidishe yeshivos that harbor molesters, not the non-religious ones.

[Shmarya]

How much do you wanna bet he is a BT

Posted by: pedro | April 29, 2011 at 11:47 AM

How much do you want to bet that your Chabad family has so many first cousin marriages over so many generations that you all have six toes on each foot and IQs near the idiocy range?

[Avorohom]

One person does something reprehensible and we all run to generalize, and tar all with the same brush.

It is a terrible awful appalling thing. Instead of displaying our wit we should take a think of the victim, then look in the mirror and decide what each of us can do to make the world a better place.

[Hakham Yosef Haim]

He should come before the jugde crying that he did this because he was molested and plead guilty and beg the judge for a light sentence. My question is why did he commit heterosexual rape after he was homosexually molested? Usually people whose first sexual experience is homosexual end up becoming homosexuals.

[the usual chaim]

yosef haim - i genuinely hope you are more intelligent than your comment indicates you are.

[seymour]

yosef haim

did you read what he said, he said yeshiva or is it that you cannot ever blame a frummie for anything

[seymour]

Usually people whose first sexual experience is homosexual end up becoming homosexuals.

Posted by: Hakham Yosef Haim | April 29, 2011 at 01:13 PM

where do you pick up such information.

The link is that molesters become molesters, and does not affect their sexual orientation

another misinformed yid

[seymour]

Usually people whose first sexual experience is homosexual end up becoming homosexuals.

Posted by: Hakham Yosef Haim | April 29, 2011 at 01:13 PM

where do you pick up such information.

The link is that molesters become molesters, and does not affect their sexual orientation

another misinformed yid

[seymour]

no protest yet, no demonstration to have him released.

weird by know the machine should have been activated to have him released and benefits concerts

[Hakham Yosef Haim]

He should go to jail for having committed rape, but he should plead guilty and try to get a lesses sentence.

[Hakham Yosef Haim]

I mean lessor sentence.

[Russian PhD]

To rape an adolescent girl is a significant progress for Hassidic degenerates. Usially they used to be into little boys. With progress like this one day they will be into the contestual sex with adult women, like normal human beings.

[Hakham Yosef Haim]

Less than 1% of haredim are homosexual molestors and less than 1% of haredim are heterosexual molestors. Did you ever hear of a society where such a small percentage of the people are molestors? Mi k'amcha yisrael!

[Russian PhD]

Hakham Yosef Haim,
You right, less than 1% of haredi homosexual molesters and less than 1% of haredi heterosexual molesters ARE REPORTED to the authorities, because of the tribal-like moral rules not to be a reporter (Moiser)
However, paedophilia is very common within the Haredi society, from two reasons:
1. Haredi people are degenerates, from a biological point of view, and they cannot develop normal sexual preferences and sexual behaviour
2.Haredi holly texts like Talmud advantage paedophilia

[Hakham Yosef Haim]

Do you really believe that haredi rates of sexual perversion are higher than rates of sexual perversion in other societies? I maintain that the combined rate of reported and unreported sexual perversion among orthodox jews if far lower than it is in most other societies.

[Leah]

This business of being a moiser can be carried to an extreme. Here is story about "saving face" in China that shows this sickness to an extreme.

China's serial rape case sparks debate over women 'saving face'

CHINA IS transfixed by the horror story of a farmer pleading for his life after raping 116 women, many of them wives of migrant workers and ranging from young girls to the middle aged.

Dai Qingcheng (46) was condemned to death for raping the women, and robbing 91 of them, between 1993 and 2009 in Anhui province in eastern China. Among the victims was a pregnant woman, and some of the rapes took place in front of family members of the victims.

The case has sparked a debate about how women will often not go to police after sexual assaults to preserve traditional notions of “face”. Any discussion of sex or sexual assault is taboo in deeply conservative rural China, and many victims initially refused to mention attacks by Dai.

“In the villages, people are very conservative and any conversation about sex is deemed shameful. Even if you are violated, you are ashamed to talk about it,” Chen Wei, a lawyer specialising in women’s studies, told the China Daily .

During the investigation it emerged that such incidents were “not rare”, that many women had experienced similar horror, especially migrant workers whose husbands were away in cities.

The hunt for a rapist began in July 2008 after a 49-year-old woman from Linquan county reported that a masked man with a knife had forced his way into her home and attempted to rape her. The victim’s husband and son were away and the woman was alone with her 11-year-old daughter. “I was very afraid but I realised I had to protect my daughter,” she said. “I screamed and some neighbours heard me. The man escaped quickly.”

But the idea that it might have been a serial offender did not occur to investigators because few people complained about the crimes. Officers found that the attacker usually broke into homes at night and Dai soon emerged as the main suspect.

“But we were surprised when he told us he had raped about 100 women,” said Yang Yongkui, a police officer from Linquan police bureau. “The victims he violated ranged from very young girls to women in their 50s and one of them was six-months pregnant.”

Dai is described as an unlikely rapist. “He is kind of short, introverted and honest looking and I wouldn’t relate him to such atrocities by his appearance,” Ming Tian, his lawyer, told the China Daily. “He doesn’t communicate with people much but he treats his family well and most villagers thought he was a simple and honest guy.”

Online comments were broad ranged. However, some said the case exposed the way women in China were traditionally forced to absorb their pain. “These women are victims of those traditional concepts of ‘dignity’ and ‘face’, and it’s the time to change,” said one posting.

[What kind of goyishe name is Harold z"l?]

I know someone who is not Chabad but aspires to be so one day who raped his niece twice. The first time he claimed he was told to do it by a higher power. The second time it was consensual but he didn't live long enough to give more details.

[Russian PhD]

I just say that the society where kids and adolescents receive zero sexual education, where totalitarian rule over everything in individual’s life is 100% controlled by small number of males and males only (rabbis, teachers, spiritual leaders), where any order of spiritual leader is a Holy of Holiness and cannot be disputed (even if they call to the right left like Rashi says), society where raping a little boy (under age of 9 is considered to be Derabanan only violation) or girl (financial violation only, and under the age of 3 not punishable at all) is a less crime than consensual extra-marital or homosexual relationship between two adults (capital punishment), society like this just have to be a greenhouse for child sexual abuse.

[Avrohom]

Russian PhD,

I wonder if you are an insider or merely a bigoted observer?

Just because the exact derivation of the source for a Halacha is d'Rabbanan does not change the fact that the act is assur.

Yosef Chaim

Optimism is a wonderful thing, but remember you have to eat in the real world!!

There is no question in my mind that there are some pretty dramatic changes that have to be made to "our" educational system (their are precedents both in ancient history, and 20th century Poland).

Frum Jewish life today is not in anyway culturally, economically or sociologically authentic, it was never like this in "der heim",most aspects of life were far far worse. Therefore introducing some innovations such as some form of education in human sexuality in an age appropriate way (like RAMAZ) should be possible, after the usual fights. cherems etc. etc.

So much of what every part of the frum world take for granted (from right to left, or knitted to black velvet) were the subject of major fights in their day....

I happen to think that in this day and age where their is no real leadership or rather no drive from those at the top to change the comfortable and morally corrupt status quo, the change will and has to come from the ordinary person.

Takes a hell of a lot of guts though.......but the right thing always did!!

But ridiculous generalizations such as yours will not change anyones opinion, nor (in my opinion) should they!

[libby in the hood]

Great post Leah @ 3:26pm.

[A. Nuran]

Yosef Chaim, you are brimming over with your own end product.

First, being raped doesn't turn children gay. No amount of bullshit spewed by your tribal shamans will make it true.

Second, how in the hell do you know what the rates of child molestation are among Jews let alone anyone else? More lies hissed into your credulous ears by smug, self-satisfied rabbis?

The Black Hats lie and cover up as a matter of religious obligation. They don't go to the police. They coerce and bully and do their best to destroy any victim brave enough to come forward as well as the entire family and anyone who does the decent thing and supports them. Does the word "Moser" mean anything to you?

Of course, even if you were right it would be a disgrace for you and your fellow cultists. The general American population has a lot less than 2% baby-rapers. If your reported rate is that high you guys aren't a Nation of Priests. You're a Nation of Pervs on a truly Biblical scale.

[A. Nuran]

Yosef Haim also said
He should come before the jugde crying that he did this because he was molested and plead guilty and beg the judge for a light sentence. My question is why did he commit heterosexual rape after he was homosexually molested? Usually people whose first sexual experience is homosexual end up becoming homosexuals.

Do you know the guy was molested as a child?
How do you know?

If you don't, then you're saying he commit the serious crime of perjury.

I don't know what sort of crap they teach in frum yeshivot. In the real world it's generally assumed that lying is a bad thing. And lying under oath is not only bad but stupid because of what will happen to you when they find out.

And why should he get any less than his just sentence? Because he's a yid? The Law isn't just for goyim. Even if you got your cock bobbed you need to obey it or suffer the consequences.

[tooclose2detroit]

nd try to get a lesses sentence.

Posted by: Hakham Yosef Haim | April 29, 2011 at 02:16 PM
Hakham Yosef Haim

I mean lessor sentence

No, genius, you mean a lesser sentence.

[A. Nuran]

Usual Chaim writes:
i genuinely hope you are more intelligent than your comment indicates you are

He'd almost certainly have to be.

[ruthie]

poor little girl....
we should also think of her....
i hope she has a lot of loving and understanding people around her...
i hope she knows THAT THIS IS NOT HER FAULT.
i send her a hug.

[Rochel]

Communities need to react to stop these cycles of abuse. I was not surprised to hear that this perpetrator had been abused because many who go on to abuse have themselves been abused. That does not mean that those who have been abused will go on to abuse, they don't. However many who go on to abuse have been abused.

The secular world (and I guess this wold include reform and conservative Judaism) have worked to become aware of these issues and address them. Communities have been become more sensitive and there is much less shame associated when one is a victim of such a crime. The pressure to save face at all costs was replaced with action and empowerment. This needs to happen in the frum world. There needs to be a critical mass of brave and courageous people in the frum world advocating for such change. If you get enough people involved it will change. From what I read, it looks like this is starting and I wish everyone involved in this change much success. Else the cycle of abuse will continue on and on and reprehensible things will continue to happpen.

[Rochel]

This got me thinking. This week the Jewish Week website had a link to an interview with Rabba Sara Hurwitz. (Leave the rabbi/rabba debate out of this for a second). In her interview she touched upon the general issue of greater leadership of women in Jewish orthodox leadership, as spiritual leaders, teachers, to counsel, etc. and being able to reach people in a way that men cannot. Right after I posted my previous post it occurred to me that if there were more women in leadership positions in the spiritual community, there would be more sensitivity to the issues of abuse we are discussing on this thread. If there were strong women leaders they would be able to reach out to such victims and their families. We need the equivalent of what MADD (Mothers Agaisnt Drunk Driving) was to the problem of drunk driving. Something like: Frum Imas Against Abuse.

Someone up the thread wrote that these kids receive zero sexual education. But don't they all go Kallah and Chatan (bride and groom) classes before they marry? And since almost all marry, almost everyone goes through such a class. I hear there is some heavy detailed discussion about sex in these classes (of course, related to halacha). Perhaps this would be a good place to also talk about abuse and possibly an opportunity to reach people who have been abused to get them support and hopefully break the cycle.

[Ali]

One person does something reprehensible and we all run to generalize, and tar all with the same brush.

ONE PERSON? I don't think so. I live in a community of 35,000. Three years ago a high school teacher (at the Christian school no less), had sex with a recently graduated senior who was not yet 18. It was in the headlines for weeks. Last year there was another underage sex case unrelated to religion. We probably average one a year in our not very religious community. How many underage sex cases do we read about in the Orthodox community just in this blog?

You should really go to a secular school. They teach amazing things like how to count.

[Me]

re comment #4
Shmarya, sometimes I love you.

[ah-pee-chorus]

The name is ELIE C. POLTRACK

Posted by: Poltrack |

thats great news!!!

[Russian PhD]

Someone up the thread wrote that these kids receive zero sexual education. But don't they all go Kallah and Chatan (bride and groom) classes before they marry?

Classical example of the Haredu way of argumentation. I wrote about the lack of sexual education to the CHILDREN, and Rochel is writing back that ADULTS before getting married get sexual education: in the early 20th, for the FIRST time in their life.

To first explanations about the sex in the age of 20-25, is not it too late to prevent abuse in the adolescence?

[Yosef ben M.]

The man allegedly claims he was raped as a child by a teacher in his yeshiva, and that is why he raped his niece.

ooohh! ooooohhh! is it ok then? hmmmm!!!

[WoolSilkCotton]

Russian PhD, as you probably know, the Chattan and Kallah classes are a joke. One or two sessions 'explaining' sex from another old frummer or frumma, as if he or she is some kind of expert.

And people wonder why the frumma are so perverted?

[emmylou]

It's very sad. Sad that a girl was molested. Sad that her molester was molested himself. The cycle has to be broken. How?

[OMG]

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | April 30, 2011 at 09:43 AM

Not only is the lecture given by some old fugee, but also the lectures themselves only know about sex from what they self discovered or told by some another old fugee a millennium ago. Regardless even if a person participates in sex education classes that by itself, will not prevent that person from becoming a sexual predator. I am sure that most of the predators who did get a secular education attended sex ed classes too. The surrounding and life experience plays a big part of your development or lack of, meaning that in a community were children do not learn about the birds and bees from professional educators, but, from self-discovery,a friend, or the worst scenario, from a predator who would usually be first in line to give you a physical demonstration. The rest is self-perpetuating, from generation to generation, whereby molesters are not reported to the police thereby creating more predators.

[yidandahalf]

What is with the Shabbos posting? In any case WTF is this picure?

http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2011/04/17/2011-04-17_victims_of_domestic_violence_sex_assaults_will_share_in_passover_seder_holy_dinn.html#ixzz1JnUGRLBf

I like the "truly pained expression" of the egg carrier.

[yidandahalf]

It's to the right of '5 Foods you must not eat'.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Yid, that photo has nothing to do with the Seder for victims. Just a photo of frumma getting ready to fress.

[yidandahalf]

They are going for arterial plaque kugel to follow their beef lust orgy.

[Nuchem]

Can you please direct me to any positive news about Jews on this site? Just one? Is there anything we do that is good or are we all rapists and molesters?

Thank you and Shame on you

[www.therealnuchem.blogspot.com]

Can you please direct me to any positive news about Jews on this site? Just one? Is there anything we do that is good or are we all rapists and molesters?

Thank you and Shame on you

[OMG]

Can you please direct me to any positive news about Jews on this site? Just one? Is there anything we do that is good or are we all rapists and molesters?
Thank you and Shame on you
Posted by: Nuchem | April 30, 2011 at 09:20 PM

They fact that this site is exposing the vile behavior in the Chasidic community, that by itself is a good thing, so here you have your first good Jewish example. That said, my hope is that you will live by our example and expose wrongdoing so other could learn.

[Adam Neira]

Prayers for the girl.

The Jewish community is not unlike any other community. Rape, child sexual abuse and domestic violence is widespread and under-reported. There have been hundreds of thousands of sexual crimes committed in the Holy Land since 1948. Ditto the diaspora in the USA. The key for measuring national merit is knowing how much tshuva the local population is showing. On this scale Israel has done some good and is trending in the right area, but there is a long, long way to go.

[Adam Neira]

To Nuchem,

To assess a business venture, political philosophy, public policy or individual it is necessary to objectively list the merit and demerit points. FM helps let the air out of the tyres of pumped up egos of importance so that the ride ahead is smoother. Over inflated tyres can also blow up.

[mental]

I am sure that the molester is someone with mental problems

[Adam Neira]

To Yosef ben M.,

The excuse of many perpetrators is that they were abused themselves as children. It is fact that all perpetrators were victims themselves, even if they cannot remember the abuse. But it is also a fact that not all victims end up becoming perpetrators. There is a divine gift called called free will. All behaviour is a result of mindset and setting. Create the right setting and you can influence behaviour. The cycle of abuse can be broken and a more just, and fair world free of violence can emerge. This world is known in Judaism as Ganeden. I call it the World Peace 2050 mission.

[ki sarita]

Yosef Chaim,
A person who molests children often doesn't care if the victims are boys or girls. The will molest whomever they have access to.
I think we here more about molesting boys because teachers who work in boys school have access to boys.
Female teachers in girls schools have access to girls but only a tiny percentage of molesters are female (that we know of).
So when little girls are molested it's most likely to be by a relative.
This has nothing to do with their sexual orientations towards adults. They can be sexually oriented towards men, towards women, towards both, or to none.
However a person who molests only a post-puberty female is probably hetero or bisexual.
Regarding the extent of molesters in the Orthodox world, I do not know if it is greater or less than general society, but I can assure you the cover up is greater!

[ki sarita]

Russian PHD I am appalled that you consider the rape of a female to be a step up from that of a male, nor is it any closer to consensual sex.

[A. Nuran]

Adam, the difference between the Orthodox Jewish community and most others is that they routinely protect rapists, stonewall police investigations and destroy the victims and their families.

Also, from what deep recesses of your ass did you pull out this steaming turd of a lie: "It is fact that all perpetrators were victims themselves, even if they cannot remember the abuse"?

[Adam Neira]

To A.Nuran,

Be careful of who you cast aspersions on. I am an expert in the fields of : Consciousness; Trauma as a result of CSA; Repressed Memory; Conditioning; Early Childhood; Prophecy; The Tanach plus a few other fields. I can back up my statement above with proof, but it would require about twelve hours of work. Happy to do this in an open forum with anyone. I will have my books, diaries, anecdotes, scientific papers and friends and witnesses to call on if need be. I love truth !

[maven]

A Nuran, are you not aware of Adam Neira's status as the Messiah 2050? If he says it is so, it is so.

[Adam Neira]

To A.Nuran,

How much would you pay for proof of my statement ?

If you aren't prepared to commit time or money to the question then you are not sincere in your objections and are just indulging in a bit of psychological sniping.

I have spent tens of thousands of dollars and many thousands of hours on these subjects since 1981. I am proud of my research and findings. My whole life has been an investigation into the true potential of humankind.

If you won’t accept a higher authority then you will remain stuck on a lower ledge of the mountain.

[Adam Neira]

To Maven,

I admit what I don't know. Only G-d is omniescent. I am not an expert on architecture, cooking, fluid mechanics, fashion or many other things. But on some subjects I am rock solid and no-one will move me. I have sacrificed everything in discovering the truth about some issues of great importance.

I set up World Peace 2050 in April 2000. I have never set up Messiah 2050. The trick is now is that we are able to influence the present by adopting a future perspective. A good leader will change setting to influence behaviour. You can also influence setting my changing mindset. The landscapes of the redemption are a multi-faceted realm.

[Yoily Weiss]

Can you please direct me to any positive news about Jews on this site? Just one? Is there anything we do that is good or are we all rapists and molesters?

Thank you and Shame on you

Posted by: Nuchem

If you are looking for positive news, read the Hamodia and Yated. But if you are looking to protect molesters, keep posting "shame on you," as you just did on my blog.

You posted "Shame on you" at least twice in the last couple of weeks. Once on my blog, and once here. Keep it up. How about saying something intelligent for a change?

[ali]

are we all rapists and molesters?

Au contraire, it would be terrible to label all ultra orthodox as rapists and molesters. I for one would never do that & I don't thing anyone on this board would either. There is a tremendous variety of people within the ultra orthodox world. We see this through the reporting and comments on this board.

Read through some of the posts & you'll see too. Some ultra orthodox economic specialists are strictly into financial crime, the scientists rewrite science, employers creatively exploit illegal immigrant labor, the medically minded buy & sell kidneys, the judicial branch lays down the law about who can eat what and when, education specialists teach children and their mothers how to apply for welfare, and the PR department is doing a spectacular job of deceptively recruiting secular teens & college students.

[A. Nuran]

An expert? Give me your academic qualifications, professional associations, positions held, publication list. Considering that you're going against the lifetime work of hundreds of researchers who actually bother to do research and run it through the meat grinder of peer review it had better be pretty damned amazing.

Give us the CV. Let's see where you show up in the citations indices. Who references you?

It's time to put up or - Oh, Lord please - shut up.

[A. Nuran]

Not to mention that your bug-fuck assertion that all rapists were themselves raped as children is logically impossible. Unless the Angel with the Sword gave Cain and Abel the high hard one there had to be a diddler who wasn't raped as a child.

[Adam Neira]

To A.Nuran,

I won a very important legal case on Feb. 2nd, 1998 at the Melbourne Magistrates Court. Set a precedent actually. I would give you more information right now but it may be like throwing pearls before a swine, so I won't bother. G-d knows exactly what I have been through and what my level of awareness is. To take you to the place of awareness that I occupy would require you to go through some extreme challenges that I'm not sure you are ready for.

[A E ANDERSON]

Despite all I have written seemingly to the contrary, truly devout haredim are downright Victorian about matters of sexuality and the body. Following the Kitsur Shulchan Aruch, a veritable bible of prudery, they go so far as to dress and undress under the bedsheets, so intense is their aversion to sexual exhibitionism. Are these the people who are buggering and sodomising their young relatives? I mean, a fortiori, if you're so prude as not to handle your member whilst urinating, it would definitely seem to reason that you would not handle somebody else's for the purpose of pleasure!

Yes, there are deviants, miscreants, perverts, etc., within Orthodox Jewry. But in light of the foregoing, I have to believe that the incidence of incidents is far less than in the general population that does not adhere to the very prudish halakhic standards of personal modesty.

[A. Nuran]

Adam, you're a delusional, under-medicated schizophrenic. Get professional help immediately.

[jancsipista]

nurayou may be surprised about adam, i think he is not that delusional, his writings are consistant.

[jancsipista]

nuran-you may be surprised about adam, i think he is not that delusional, his writings are consistant.

[chassid]

"Chabad chassid"
how could you call "chassid" to someone who does something like this?

[Shmarya]

"Chabad chassid"
how could you call "chassid" to someone who does something like this?

Posted by: chassid | May 01, 2011 at 09:17 AM

Idiot.

[A. Nuran]

jancsipista, there are plenty of mentally disturbed people with internally consistent ideas. The stuff he's talking about Cult Satanic Ritual Abuse, absence of evidence as irrefutable proof, multiple personalities with suppressed/recovered memories as the inevitable result of sexual abuse and the rest of that tired old crap really is insane.

[baruch]

Where is the update? Without any substantive proof this is nothing more than an allegation, at best, and is tantamount to nothing less than libel. If you can not corroborate your invidious announcement then every moral and ethical standard demands that you remove it with a public retraction.

[Shmarya]

Where's your brain, moron?

The court's website will be updated Monday or Tuesday, at which point I'll print the name – sooner if the DA will comment on the record.

Now pull your tiny head out of your ass.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Baruch, how is it "tantamount to nothing less than libel" when no name is mentioned? It is a fact that a frummer in CH was arrested.

Please explain how this is 'libel'.

[Yoel Mechanic]

>my hope is that you will live by our example

Now *that* is an interesting suggestion

[Yoel Mechanic]

Posted by: chassid | May 01, 2011 at 09:17 AM

chassid; I know that you attempting to be polite, but consider what your wrote carefully and keep in mind that name calling is explicitly against the rules of this blog

[ca]

It may have been more appropriate not to identify the victim as his neice, so that when his name is released her identity would have been better protected.

[ca]

"niece" that is

[baruch]

If the host of this blog had no vendetta then I would not have used the word libel. Unfortunately, this is not the case. What do you think a failed butcher "moron", with an appetite and a knife does with his time; He whets his appetite, blade and of course his wick.

[Shmarya]

First of all, I am not and was not a "failed butcher."

Secondly, you're a pig.

A Chabad hasid raped his teenage niece and all you care about is protecting Chabad from bad press.

Scum.

[baruch]

Case in point: "First of all, I am not and was not a "failed butcher." Secondly, you're a pig."

Need I say more?

[WoolSilkCotton]

Actually Baruch, you do need to say more. All you've done so far is to attack the messenger. How about the message?

A Lubavitcher sexually assaults his niece, and the police have arrested him. Details pending from the DA's office.

And your response is to attack Shmarya? If you're in Crown Heights or anywhere in Brooklyn, this is huge news among the frumma. You must know more about this case than any of us do. Please tell us what you've heard.

[Deremes]

Sad story.

When is a chassid just a chassid and when is he a rabbi?
In other words,how does one qualify on FM to be named a "Rabbi" rapist/molester and when is someone just a "chassid" rapist/molester?

[Adam Neira]

To A. Nuran,

Your pigeonholing is slanderous. I don't take drugs of any kind, except an occasional cider. I’ve just given up smoking as well, which I am quite proud about. G-d is my greatest ally. I dislike dropping people out of my arc of concern but in this case if you continue with your attacks I will. Before you make a judgment on someone you should try and work out what their perspective is, how righteous they are and what they have gone through in life. If you are honest you just might realise that the person you are judging is actually higher on the mountain than you and you might turn your enmity/jealousy into respect. BTW, this article is about the terrible rape of a girl so we should have stayed on track. Prayers for her.

[Isa]

If my daughter was molested...
I would be on the lookout for thugs that would cripple this jerk.

Hows does that song go?

Leroy Brown looked like a jigsaw puzzle with a couple of pieces gone!

[WoolSilkCotton]

Deremes, the frumma use the title 'rabbi' whenever it suits them, such as to avoid taxes and law enforcement.

Why can't we do the same, when it suits us?

[Peace]

[A Chabad hasid raped his teenage niece and all you care about is protecting Chabad from bad press.]

And your Source to this story is?!

[baruchd]

WSC, why do you trust Shmaryu as much as you do? He jumps at hearsay, revels in slander and libel and begins to salivate at the slightest whiff of filth. Forget about any knowledge I might or might not have (which is nil. I know nothing beyond what has been posted on this site. As a matter of fact it can be found no where else except one TOT's phantom sites.) What makes the failed dead meat monger so certain of what he has posted? And by the way, if he cares so much about the plight of the abused Ethiopians why isn't he doing and saying more about it? I'll save you the effort of thinking; He doesn't care one bit about anything but himself.

[chassid]

this guy is not a chassid, is not a Lubavitcher, unless u call Shmarya a Lubavitcher .
This guy is an ex-Lubavitcher as Shmarya is

[The Real Joe]

baruchd thanks I agree with you 100% and to all of those claiming that this story is the talk in all of Brooklyn shulls I haven't heardanything other then on this site

[WoolSilkCotton]

Don't worry Joe, as soon as the details are released by the DA's office, you'll see it in the NY Post, NY Daily News, and the NY Times.

[Shmarya]

WSC, why do you trust Shmaryu as much as you do? He jumps at hearsay, revels in slander and libel and begins to salivate at the slightest whiff of filth

I've been doing this for more than seven years and you can count the major mistakes I've made on the fingers of one hand – with plenty of fingers left over.

What you don't like is that I report the truth, and much of that truth makes your community look bad – because in some ways, it is bad.

And by the way, if he cares so much about the plight of the abused Ethiopians why isn't he doing and saying more about it? I'll save you the effort of thinking; He doesn't care one bit about anything but himself.

Posted by: baruchd | May 01, 2011 at 06:53 PM

Here's another example of Baruch's lies.

As anyone can easily see, I've covered Ethiopian Jews regularly for the entire seven-plus years I've been doing this.

In fact, I had a piece in the Forward (and linked here) not too long ago about a close friend of mine who was a leader of the Ethiopian Jewish community.

The truth, Baruch, is that you are a liar.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you have the moral compass or the inherent honesty needed for that.

[Adam Neira]

Keep up the good work Shmarya. I visit FM because it is chock full of truth on current events.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."

- Mahatma Gandhi

[Shmarya]

this guy is not a chassid, is not a Lubavitcher, unless u call Shmarya a Lubavitcher .
This guy is an ex-Lubavitcher as Shmarya is

Posted by: chassid | May 01, 2011 at 07:25 PM

Wrong.

[sam]

aside from the usual suspects here, why would anyone care to react to this story? if it is true, then the perp is in the hands of the justice system already. beyond that, who cares? I am sure worse things go on every day everywhere where humans congregare, including all the frum enclaves. I am also reasonably sure that frum communities have a far smaller crime rate in all areas of law (even in tax evasion!) than other segments of population...

[WoolSilkCotton]

++I am sure worse things go on every day++
sam | May 01, 2011 at 11:25 PM

Worse than raping a child in your own family? And we should ignore it when a frummer is caught?

The frumma have smaller rates of child molestation? Is that the best you can do? Will that be Chabad's new recruiting tactic?

Hey folks, not only do we have mitzvahs for ya, we've now got 10% less child molesting!

The real difference, Sam, is that no other segment of society protects its child molesters and vilifies its victims. Only the frumma do that.

[sam]

wsc,

Molesters go unmolested everywhere for years, sometimes their entire lives – there is too much shame and guilt associated with these types of crimes on the part of the victims themselves. When it comes to incest, even more so. But you surely know this already.

Moreover, my point was that in this case, with the alleged perpetrator already in the hands of the law, what exactly is there for you left to 'ignore' or not ignore? What exactly is there left for you to do? Except rejoice you found another 'fruma' criminal, that is.

So I say, just be open about your motivations – it makes you happy to see any outwardly frum person caught in any unsavory act. Period. All this talk about 'concern for victims' is nothing but a thinly veiled excuse to give an aura of propriety to broadcasting your basest feelings of hate of the 'fruma'.

As to 'Chabad recruiting', we are doing fine, thank you very much for your concern. Most normal people assume that when people strive for an ideal, they still retain all their human frailties and most will fall short of the ideal in some way or the other. Some in most severe ways. That does nothing to discredit the ideal in any way. Displaying a beard and peyos doesn't purge the evil from the heart. And to the best of my knowledge no one claims it does.

[A. Nuran]

No CV, no list of citations. But a bunch of paranoid's defense mechanisms.

"You just can't understand what a genius I am."

"It would take too long to outline my many accomplishments"

"You don't deserve to know"

"You need to offer to pay me money first"

Adam, shut up and get the help you so desperately need.

[david]

Who knows the story Crown Heights on both sides.
There is conflict between the two-laws, for a long time and one-laws would come second complaint against the charge of sexual harassment and rape as they wrote. The boy was released just an hour before Saturday on bail of $ 2000.
So when they wrote the defendant off the police stop was fine.
Who complained that the police wanted to stop his brother in law before Passover.
But the police waited for the defendant will return to Florida.

[Disgusted]

Where's the beef, Shmendrick? And no, it is not Elie C Poltorack. Good prank but I don't think Poltorack has a 15 year old niece even if he is the kind of fantasist who would weave lurid tales about being molested in yeshiva.

[Disgusted]

Neira, Nuran and Schmendrick all need hefty doses of meds and a few thousand volts for a few months.

[Deremes]

"Deremes, the frumma use the title 'rabbi' whenever it suits them, such as to avoid taxes and law enforcement.

Why can't we do the same, when it suits us?

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | May 01, 2011 at 05:44 PM"

Exactly,rabbi WSC, that was my point. And you couldn't of said it better.

The frumma lie when they use the title rabbi as you noted.

And on FM when a fruuma person commits a crime, most of the time he is being called a rabbi. And we all know that in both cases its a lie.
Same goes with the NY Post and the Daily News. I bet you know why they too choose the title "Rabbi''

Thanks WSC

[Shmarya]

I hope Baruch and Disgusted noticed that, as promised, I have now posted the man's name and the specific charges against him.

And now both of you should apologize to me.

You won't, though.

[Adam Neira]

To A.Nuran,

Hope you have a good day. There are more important issues in the world than fending off your attacks. Maybe we will meet up in Jerusalem one day in peace and friendship, hopefully in the not too distant future.

Shalom !

Adam Neira
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