Neturei Karta To Burn Israeli Flag And Support Ahmadinejad

"It has come to our attention that on Sunday, March 20, at 12:00 p.m., in front of the Iranian UN Mission at 633 Third Avenue, corner of 40th Street in Manhattan, certain rabble-rousers plan to hold a Megillah reading with the purpose of insulting the Iranian president and heating up tensions. Authentic Jews will be there to register their protest against these troublemakers, as well as express their pain and sorrow at this insulting and provocative behavior, which is a part of an approach that can have catastrophic consequences."

 

The following video is from Neturei Karta's 2009 flag burning. Speaking at the end of the video is Rabbi Mordechai Weberman, who is, I believe, the uncle of accused pedophile Nechemyia Weberman and the leader of the Malochim, a splinter hasidic group that broke away from Chabad many years ago. Below that is Neturei Karta's press release issued today:

 

 

Anti-Zionist Jews to Protest Zionist Purim Provocation Against Iran

NEW YORK, March 18, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is a statement from Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss from Neturei Karta International:

"It has come to our attention that on Sunday, March 20, at 12:00 p.m., in front of the Iranian UN Mission at 633 Third Avenue, corner of 40th Street in Manhattan, certain rabble-rousers plan to hold a Megillah reading with the purpose of insulting the Iranian president and heating up tensions. Authentic Jews will be there to register their protest against these troublemakers, as well as express their pain and sorrow at this insulting and provocative behavior, which is a part of an approach that can have catastrophic consequences.

"The portrayal of the Iranian president as an anti-Semite and hater of the Jewish people is patently false. In Iran, Jews and Judaism are treated with the honor and respect. The Zionists, ever since the founding of their movement, have adopted a policy of terrorizing and vilifying anyone who does not go along with their political line. But this policy has always brought, and continues to bring, severe consequences for the Jewish people - bloodshed and misfortunes, may the Almighty spare us.

"In general, it must be known that the idea of Zionism - that the Jewish people must arise from exile and found its own independent state - is forbidden by the Torah, no matter how it is done. The Almighty sent us into exile, and forbade us to free ourselves from that exile, promising us through His prophets that He Himself would take us out of exile in a supernatural manner, without any human movement. The Jewish people believes in the Almighty's redemption and waits patiently for it.

"Therefore the idea of Zionism and its state, and especially the policy of oppressing, terrorizing and insulting, is foreign and forbidden to the Jewish people. The Zionists' use of the name "Israel" for their state is a farce; it is not a Jewish state, only a Zionist state.

"The Almighty commands every Jew to be a loyal citizen of his country of residence, not mixing into political matters between countries. A Jew must live with honor and respect for all people. We especially thank and respect anyone who recognizes the above truths.

"May the Almighty bring peace to the entire world, and may the time come when all humanity serves only Him."

[ADDITIONAL EVENTS: An annual Purim ceremony of burning the Israeli flag, is also being held on the above date, in several Anti-Zionist communities worldwide. In Brooklyn, N.Y., at Hewes St cor. Lee Ave. at 3:00 p.m., and in Monsey, N.Y., at Phyllis Terr cor. Maple Ave at 3:15 p.m. Photos of the event will be available on our web site www.nkusa.org. To view photos of last year, click here.]

SOURCE Neturei Karta International

Comments

[Booch]

I think King David would have killed the Neteuri Karta!!

[Garnel Ironheart]

Why don't people go out and buy some copies of the Satmar Rebbe's "Vayoel Moshe" and set up a counter burning across the street?

[Common Sense]

Maybe it's a purim spoof...like that video about the kid going off the derech, smoking a cigarette, and dying of cancer, only to be saved by the super-siddur his child molesting tatty gave him.

[jancsipista]

theese self loathing mindless morons are nothing but outcasts among the jews they are like 1 year old children who never ever grew up also they are living in a fantasy land which is tottaly the opposite of reality they dont work rip off the government in section8 medicaid food stamps in ahort they are anti everything normal people stand for

[ah-pee-chorus]

jancsipista-

doing gods work is never easy.

[Edan]

They are naive to think that Amedinejad distinguishes between Zionist and other Jews, but that is the only thing I really disagree with these people. Israel is an oppressive state. Israel's brazen sense of entitlement, at the expense of others, is reviled for good reason.

[jancsipista]

edan- israel is a state like other states no worse no better talking about israel being an oppresive state haha the arabs oppress their own people like no other country except north korea opresses their own youre bashing israel doesnt make sense shame on you

[ah-pee-chorus]

Israel's brazen sense of entitlement,

yes, how dare they think they are entitled to exist free from bombs which blow up their children!

[Edan]

It is true that Israel doesnt oppress Jews but they oppress and intimidate Arabs. Even an Arab that is a citizen would be hard pressed to get approved by the city to say buy land or open a buisiness unless it is in an Arab town, its even worse in Jerusalem, which should be an international city anyway. Yes Israel has the obligation to ensure security, but the truth is that they use that as an excuse to trample on people's rights. For example Israel quarantines Gaza to supposedly block weapons, but they also block any humanitarian aid from reaching there also. It is sick.

[David]

For example Israel quarantines Gaza to supposedly block weapons, but they also block any humanitarian aid from reaching there also. It is sick.

Posted by: Edan | March 18, 2011 at 08:24 PM

Thats a lie and you know it. No humanitarian aid is blocked. Oh, and border restrictions are not "supposedly" about blocking weapons, that is the reason for them. Border restrictions would be unnecessary if your brethren did not have such a love of violence and mayhem.

[Edan]

The Israeli autorities "allow" some aid in but not unconditionally, they use it as a bargaining tool which is despicable.

[ah-pee-chorus]

arabs sit as knesset members commensurate with their voting population. those who desire it are full citizens with full rights (far different than what jews in arab countries faced).
why should jerusalem be an international city? should paris? mecca? cairo? rome?
israel WITHDREW every last person from gaza and got bombs on sderot and further in return. "SUPPOSEDLY" block weapons??!! the rockets landing on israel are quite real, and the many shipments which have been intercepted which contained vast arms caches , including the iranian backed ship intercepted this week, are constant proof that arms are being smuggled in regularly.
israel did NOT block humanitarian aid. they demanded that it first be inspected to ensure no illegal weaponry was included.
and further, gaza is controlled by hamas, a terror org. whose constitution calls for the destruction of israel. gaza has a large border with egypt yet you dont seem bothered by egypts rules limiting passage of people and goods. why is that?
get your facts straight.

[Edan]

Of course Egypt is just as wrong to have such restrictions, but that is immaterial. "Full rights" my butt, that citizenship for Arabs might as well be resident alien status for the "equality" they get from it. If Arabs had the reasonable expectation to get justice from the state, I doubt terrorism would be the last resort that so many have turned to.

Take for example the civil rights movement in the USA. The black community were segregated and faced rampant racism, far worse than even in Israel today, yet their state came throught for them and gave them justice. It is not a coincidence that there were so fewer black american terrorists than arab israeli. Give complete justice, and in a generation or 2 peace and prosperity will reign.

[Edan]

But lets not kid ourselves, humanity is always doomed when left to our own devices, it is important that we try, but in the end our only hope comes from Big Guns upstairs. In this way also I agree with Neturei Karta. Even if I dont agree with their methods.

[ah-pee-chorus]

. "Full rights" my butt, that citizenship for Arabs might as well be resident alien status for the "equality" they get from it.

really? then why is it that every poll shows that given the option of maintaining citizenship in israel or becoming citizens of an arab state, the majority would remain israeli?

. If Arabs had the reasonable expectation to get justice from the state, I doubt terrorism would be the last resort that so many have turned to.

first, almost all terrorist acts have been committed by non-citizens. second, you show a complete lack of understanding of the root cause of terrorism. it is based on religious teachings. the 19 hijackers of 9/11 were for the most part normal and educated from middle class homes. the allure of 72 virgins for eternity for pleasing allah is too much for some to forego. al-qaeda is not being mistreated by israel, whats their excuse?
your example of blacks in america disproves your point. they were enslaved literally for many long years , endured lynchings, and then blatant discrimination and still never resorted to suicide/homicide bombings. the average standard of living of israeli arabs far exceeds that of most of their brethren living under arab rule. their women can drive, dress as they please, vote etc...
this is a religious war. islam demands that any lands ever under islamic control must return to islamic rule. if there were not one arab in israel the desire for terrorism and ending israels existence would persist. this has nothing to do with civil rights.

[ah-pee-chorus]

humanity is always doomed when left to our own devices, it is important that we try, but in the end our only hope comes from Big Guns upstairs.

you have it completely backwards. humanity is doomed since it believes in an imaginary friend in the sky and every religion claims to know how to please it. 99% of the dangers to humanity would be lessened if we accepted that it is indeed all up to us. no "big gun" will save us from the destruction of our planet and its inhabitants being done in his non-existent name.

[Edan]

So Israel treats them better than other countries do, that does not mean they are treated equaly. And yes that was probably a bad example, but I think that if you could open your mind to see it from their point of view, including the brainwashing and propaganda that they are influenced by (and so are you and I, wheather u believe it or not), then you might be more empathetic.

Bottom line is this wont be resolved quikly, but the only approach with any merit is the high road, dont just be more fair than your neighboring countries, be as fair with them as with your own brothers. And while they may live better than other arab countries, they are still much worse off than the average Jew in Israel (even than Haredi who refuse to work)

[Edan]

If you do not believe in G-d, then why do you think Israel has a right to steal(or steal back, w/e) the land from the arabs?

[ah-pee-chorus]

why dont you ask yourself a simple question. the average arab felt they had very little freedom in egypt. this led to an overthrow of an entire regime. so why werent there hundreds of terrorist attacks against that oppressive regime? israeli arabs have it much better. and since the coptic christians in egypt hold no power over their muslim neighbors, and are in no position to limit their civil rights, why are they constantly facing terrorism and destruction of life and churches at the hands of their islamic co-citizens? your entire hypothesis is disproven. this is all about islam. THAT is why muslims use terrorist attacks against christians in egypt but not the muslims limiting their rights. and that is why palestinians attack jews in israel but not the jordanian regime which holds power over the palestinian population there who have it far worse than in israel.

[ah-pee-chorus]

If you do not believe in G-d, then why do you think Israel has a right to steal(or steal back, w/e) the land from the arabs?

your question is phrased in a way that it presumes the answer already. STEAL? from whom? i just wrote something on this yesterday, so i'll repost it here.

"learn how jews were a majority in jerusalem and other parts of israel prior to 1948. see that the land was never under palestinian control. the british were given a mandate to control the land until such time as they could create a homeland for jews. the jews were to get less than 25% of palestine. later, the UN voted for a partition plan creating 2 states and voted israel statehood in 1948. after being invaded, israel gained more land. all of this is within the framework of legal actions under international law.
israel was NOT created from 'arab land'. that is a myth. the areas beyond the green line are problematic. since israel never annexed the west bank or gaza, they had no rights to settle there unless the bible defense is invoked. i reject that. but israel proper is both legal, moral, and needed by the world."

[ah-pee-chorus]

i have a similar question for you. if you DO believe in the bible, then israel has complete rights over the land and may treat all non-jews as second class citizens, just like muslims do in saudi arabia based on koranic law ,for example. so why would you have a problem based on that with your perception of how arabs are treated in israel?

[Edan]

If Israel were truely a democracy, it would not matter what ethnicity had the majority, all would be treated equal. But the only nonJew Israel allows to be citizens are those that were there already. Not very democratic at all.
The Bible says to love your neighbor as yourself. Those in the Holy Land that were warred against and treated so badly were not treated thus because they are gentiles, it was because they were wicked people who burned their children as sacrifices. Those were different times than now, and in absence of direct judgments from Him against a group of people, we must not take such judgments ourselves.
The stuff about not returning a gentiles property and such is from the Talmud, not the Bible proper.

[Edan]

I do not think Israel is a wicked nation, but I think there ARE abuses of power going on just like in any nation, and that criticism is in order. Just as I am sure Schmarya does not hate Orthodox people, but thinks that frank commentary is what is needed. Do not pretend Israel is perfect and acts with propriety in all things.

[ah-pee-chorus]

But the only nonJew Israel allows to be citizens are those that were there already. Not very democratic at all.

its quite revealing to see what metric you choose by which to measure israel, and only israel. almost every democracy has immigration policies based on their desired demographic goals. is america non-democratic for having different allotments for germany and yemen? is japan not a true democracy by these standards? youre being selective and unfairly so.
and then one must realize that jews have been persecuted throughout the world, and throughout history. israel was founded immediately post holocaust, one of the worst such examples of genocide the world has ever seen. so israel, the jewish state, set a policy permitting citizenship for any jews....to the ONE jewish nation in the world. the fact that it chooses not to open its borders to anybody that wants to live there is understandable. your focus on israels policy as being undemocratic without acknowledging israels unique place in the world as a safe haven for jews, and without similar condemnation of every other country , is probably rooted in your anti-semitism.

[ah-pee-chorus]

Do not pretend Israel is perfect and acts with propriety in all things.

i dont. i have condemned the building of houses in the west bank since it hasnt been annexed.
but your selective criticism and willingness to not only call israel undemocratic, but to justify terrorism by blaming the way israel treats arabs, is a solid indication of your anti-jewish bias.

[Edan]

I am a strong opponent of any quotas based on nationalyity or ethnicity, including America's. But America's does at least let all in, just at different rates. But the subject of this thread is Israel, so forgive me for singleing out. This does not mean that Israel is the only culprit. But those other offenders are not the current subject.
Israel's situation is certainly unique, but you would think that the sensitivity of the subjects involved, especially land, that the authorities would be equally sensitive. But the common theme I see is brazen and unapologetic actions, and when people call foul, they only say "we arent the bad ones, they are worse!"
I am not halahikly Jewish, but my paternal grandfather was. I love the Jewish people, but that doesnt mean I love the state of Israel's actions. I plan on converting as Modern Orthodox when my enlistment is up.

[Edan]

I never justified terrorism, but you seem to be incapable of empathy, if you cannot honestly see yourself in their shoes if you were raised that way then you are deluding yourself. In a way you are much like them, refusing to admit any fault and blaming the other side for everything. I do at least respect you for denouncing the settlments.

[ah-pee-chorus]

whether you believe it or not, the overwhelming majority of israelis would give up the entire west bank and half of jerusalem if they thought peace would ensue. this is not true of the arabs. their desire is not peace. it is arab control over israel. so they set conditions which they know israel could never accept because they would be signing their own suicide note. under those circumstances i have no empathy for the other sides position.
this does not mean i dont have sympathy for an individual pal. who may have increased hardships due to the actions of the majority of his people. israel has a right, no, an obligation to do what is needed to protect the lives of its citizens.
and lets say israel is an imperfect democracy- lets call it 80% democracy. thaey are the only country in the entire area that has even 1 % democracy. so how can one condemn the only country that has for its entire history been democratic? why not discuss how horrible it is that not 1 of the more than 20 arab counties is a democracy? they are all dictatorships, repressive monarchys and theocracies!!
an unbiased observer would be heeping praise on israel for standing alone for the principles of democracy. he would look at it in relation to the alternatives in the region instead of holding it up to an ideal of a utopian democracy which exists nowhere. are there areas which could be improved? certainly, but overall its pretty damn good.

[Edan]

Fair point Israel is much better than most arab countries but i think that holding reality to an ideal is the best way to make progress even if it will never achieve it thanks for the lively discussion remember criticism is not a sign of hate it means you care enough to want to improve good night

[ah-pee-chorus]

goonite.

[Adam Neira]

There is a sizeable Jewish community in Iran last time I checked. The way to get rid of a threat from another person is to engage with them. Old wounds can be healed over if the right conditions and catalysts are in place. I can envisage driving on a road from Jerusalem to Tehran sometime in the future. Can anyone else see this in the State of Israel or the “Diaspora” ? What is the divinely mandated vision for the Holy Land ? It is fine to keep threats in check and to erect barriers to protect one’s self, but the ultimate protection comes from knowing that the other person does not want to hurt you and only wishes the best for you. The Megillah reading action will achieve the first thing but impede the second thing. If as much money was spent on trust building as it is on containment the world would be a better place.

What is the circuit breaker ?

Ask me and a team of fifteen assistants to Jerusalem. I will explain how peace can prevail in the Holy Land, Region and World. I think G-d has had enough. The following article is extremely relevant to what is going on.

Itamar Residents Celebrate Wedding at Joseph's Tomb (INN)

What a metaphor !

Congratulations to the newlyweds. May they live in a Holy Land of peace, security and prosperity. If the Jewish people really want to stop the swing back and forth between tragedy and great joy another management structure, vision and plan for the region is required. It is a fundamental tenet of Judaism that time is both linear and expansive. It is definitely not cyclical (as Buddhism suggests), side to side or back and forth like a child’s swing. A marriage of many people and nations was prophesied to happen more than two thousand years ago. Perhaps this is the time to prepare the groundwork for the ceremony to usher in this age. We all love a good wedding.

[A. Nuran]

Sounds like NK has crossed the line into actual treason.

Treason during wartime is one of a tiny handful of crimes which get the death penalty under Israeli law.

Israel is still in a state of war with a number of countries.

Fill in the rest yourself

[Dovid]

Garnel Ironheart: Neturei Karta has no connection to Satmar, so stop spreading this ignorant nonsense around.

And jancsipista there's no need to call them self-loathing, when there's no evidence of that. It's the pathetic catch-all last-refuge insult thrown at any Jewish Anti-Zionist (as well as at a lot of Zionists too, by Right Wing nutters). Neither their delusions about Ahmedinejad nor the extreme degree of their Anti-Zionism gives any sort of insight into their psychology. They certainly don't seem to be ashamed of being Jewish, or attempt to hide it, which would be the first 2 likely requirements of a self-hating Jew.

Gut voch (I'm across the world, so Shabbos is out). Oy Yiddish! I must be a self-hater!

[Alter Kocker]

Save the Israeli flag-burn the Neturei Karta instead.

[effie]

If Israel were truely a democracy, it would not matter what ethnicity had the majority, all would be treated equal.

Hahahaha!

The US is a strong constitutional republic. But as they say, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact."

[YD]

Neturei Karta are Zera Amalek. Case closed.

[Adam Neira]

To YD,

Three Questions...

Do you believe in the Twelfth Article of Faith ?

Do you think Persia and Israel can live in peace one day ?

What is the potential GDP of the Middle East in the year 2050 ?

P.S. Simplistic pigeonholing is childish. Human beings are multifaceted creatures. The Amalek idea is wheeled out when an easy label is needed.

[Western Jew]

A wonderful time to be a Naturei Karta Jew!!!! Burn a flag, Hang with Achmadinijad and wash your hands of all the blood you are causing to spill on the ground.

[Gevezener Chusid]

NK is right

[Yochanan Lavie]

Of all the peoples in the world, only the Jews oppose their own independence and statehood. Sick, sick, sick.

[Adam Neira]

To Yochanan Lavie,

What do you think about the idea of a Messianic Kingdom ?

Do you know what the GDP of the World will be by 2050 if it grows by 5% per annum over the next 39 years ?

Should Jerusalem be the centre of the Messianic Kingdom as has been prophesied ?

Do you you believe in the prophecies outlined in the Tanach ?

[zwimigdal]

don't they have the right to express how they feel?

[Dovid]

Yochanan Lavie said: "Of all the peoples in the world (1), only the Jews (2) oppose their own independence and statehood (3). Sick, sick, sick." (4)

What an ignorant thing to say. In fact, all 4 things stated here are wrong.

[Deremes]

"Speaking at the end of the video is Rabbi Mordechai Weberman, who is, I believe, the uncle of accused pedophile Nechemyia Weberman and the leader of the Malochim, "

No more ''Rabbi" Nechemyia Weberman?
And he is not his uncle but his cousin and he is also not the leader of the Malochim.

Nothing new here.
The flag burning has been going on every Purim probably for the last fifty or so years.

[Adam Neira]

Flag burning is provocative. I have never burnt a flag in my life. Burnt toast is another matter...