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February 03, 2011

US Senator Joseph Lieberman Writes Book About Shabbos

Senator Joseph Lieberman Lieberman teams up with neo-con and anti-evolution activist David Klinghoffer to write a book about the Jewish Sabbath.

 

Sen. Joseph Lieberman writing book about Sabbath


Senator Joseph Lieberman NEW YORK (AP) - Sen. Joseph Lieberman is working on a book about his Jewish faith.

Simon & Schuster's Howard Books division announced Thursday that "Gift of Rest" will come out in August. Co-written by David Klinghoffer, the book is a reflection on Lieberman's observance of the Jewish Sabbath, a day of rest.

The 68-year-old Lieberman, a longtime Connecticut Democrat re-elected as an independent in 2006, recently announced he would not run in 2012. As Al Gore's running mate in 2000, he narrowly missed becoming the first Jewish vice president.

[Hat Tip: Andrew Wahl.]

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B"H

You mean that holiday that you shouldn't violate unless there is some political event you need to be part of?

To the best of my knowledge, Senator Liberman has NEVER violated shabbos in his position as US Senator. He works closely with his rav on what he can and cannot do halachically.

This man is a sincere Jew and a good man. I am speaking as one who is friends with those who know him. You should not slander him that way.

Sen Lieberman was well known to be completely, sincerely and discretely shomer shabbat throughout his career. But he didn't wear a black hat, so I suppose to 'Michelle' and co. he doesn't count ......

I met him a few years ago at the main checkpoint at Midway International in Chicago. He was a very unassuming person, with no entourage or sycophants attending to him. He didn't seem to be in any particular hurry, so he graciously chatted with me for about 5 minutes.

After we parted ways, a couple of people stopped me and asked who he was. Evidently I was the only one who recognized him, because he kept on walking and no one said anything to him or even seemed to noticed him. Maybe everyone had prosopagnosia or his presence there unescorted was just so out of context, he was rendered invisible to everyone.

Oddly enough, I met Bo Diddly at the same airport several years before he died. We talked for about 30 minutes, and once again, no one recognized him; not until we had spent five minutes talking. This time a few people figured it out on their own, but after we parted, people approached me, and asked who he was.

I must look really odd for strangers to be so curious that I am talking to another person.


I must look really odd for strangers to be so curious that I am talking to another person

...or maybe they're fans from FM...

Typical Shmuckya cheap shot, linking Lieberman to Klinghoffer, then calling Klinghoffer a "foe of evolution," which is a gross oversimplification of Klinghoffer's position.

Klinghoffer believes, as I do, that a Supreme Being (which may the be universe itself), creates the conditions which "guide" Darwinian evolution. This would neither be incompatible with belief in God nor with belief in science.

Nonetheless, whether or not one believes in God, this is a gratuitous attack on Lieberman, who's a real mensch.

Typical Shmuckya cheap shot, linking Lieberman to Klinghoffer, then calling Klinghoffer a "foe of evolution," which is a gross oversimplification of Klinghoffer's position.…

Posted by: Mr. Apikoros | February 04, 2011 at 03:04 AM

Typical Mr. A assholery.

The AP article says clearly that Lieberman is writing the book with Klinghoffer:Simon & Schuster's Howard Books division announced Thursday that "Gift of Rest" will come out in August. Co-written by David Klinghoffer, the book is a reflection on Lieberman's observance of the Jewish Sabbath, a day of rest.

All I did is let my readers know who Klinghoffer is.

Got that?

I wonder if all the sources from this site come from Zadikim!!If you work with someone on a good project and pay him(which I imagine is the case with the Senator),what is wrong with his other activities that have no bearing on
the project !!!
I have never heard of Klinghoffer, but as a believing orthodoz Jew,I am against evolution and believe that we should offer a creationist viewpoint in schools.
Why is Klinghoffer a neo Con man?Is it because his view on creation differs from yours??

That's not the point. You just chose this occasion to denigrate both men.

This book is about Lieberman writing about his Jewish faith, not Klinghoffer's views on evolution or on intelligent design.

It's called "guilt by association," get it?

Klinghoffer believes, as I do, that a Supreme Being (which may the be universe itself), creates the conditions which "guide" Darwinian evolution.

I don't think that's correct. Klinghoffer is a Fellow at the Discovery Institute, one of the main creationist/ID organizations. I'd be surprised if he actually accepted evolution at all (Darwinian or otherwise), apart from, perhaps, the "micro-evolution" business these people go on about.

If he has stated the above, then he's contradicting what he's said elsewhere.

I've read Klinghoffer's stuff in the Forward for years. He has stated his "intelligent design" approach to the conditions which cause evolution to take place.

I do not know Klinghoffer's exact position on evolution, other than he is obviously some kind of dimwitted crackpot by virtue of his Discovery Institute membership.

I do, however, know his exact position on shameless lying. He believes in it religiously. He practiced it an opinion piece that appeared in the WSJ, regarding the Sternberg/Smithsonian controversy. (Note that the article reference to Klinghoffer writing a WSJ "Op-Ed" on the controversy is slightly incorrect. His column actually appeared in the Friday "Weekend Journal" opinion page.)

His slanders were nonsense garbage, easily shown to be false. He has not retracted them, not even a feeble notpology. As such, I consign anything written by him to the trash can immediately.

Given that Shmarya and many readers regard rabbis and others who are ethically praiseworthy or scholarly (with whom they agree about abuse issues in the community, ethical kashrut, whathaveyou) - who otherwise abide Intelligent Design, Creationism or certain political views - that the headline doesn't need to be formulated to taint Lieberman or a book that's simply about Shabbat. Klinghoffer has also been a longtime editor and author, regardless of what of his views people disagree with - if Lieberman needs his learning and experience REGARDING SHABBAT to write a book about it, I don't think it's necessary. Lieberman I've seen very calmly, sans entourage etc, leaving a cab to go to Eli's for lunch with his daughter and her friends. no special treatments, nothing. In shul, very much the same. Michelle, he has his rabbi, and as a public figure his public behaviors have been public for all - Jewish and not Jewish, on Shabbat and otherwise. That being the case, you can simply ask R. Freundel how he manages the Metro, navigating the necessities of the Hill, etc, on Shabbat when he has had need to.

If you want read it,buy it. If not read
something else.

That's not the point. You just chose this occasion to denigrate both men.

This book is about Lieberman writing about his Jewish faith, not Klinghoffer's views on evolution or on intelligent design.

It's called "guilt by association," get it?

Posted by: Mr. Apikoros | February 04, 2011 at 06:24 AM

Please.

Do try to process the facts.

Lieberman left the Dems to become independent because the Dems were to liberal for him.

He bought the neo-con spin on Iraq, etc., completely.

Now he's writing a book on Shobbos and he chooses as his co-author a neo-con, which makes the co-author's politics news, even if those politics had been previously private.

But in this case, those politics are and have been public, and reporting them is good journalism, not bias.

Klinghoffer works for the Discovery Institute. It's main focus is to oppose evolution, and Klinghoffer is its token Jew.

Klinghoffer claims many things. One of those things is that the Torah rules out evolution.

He bases this on the Genesis account of creation, which concludes with God resting on the 7th day.

This story is the basis for Shabbat, and many anti-evolutionists claim that accepting evolution negates Shabbat.

Those are the facts.

Process them.

Just got this from Congregation Agudath Sholom

Mazel tov Senator Joseph and Hadassah Lieberman on the birth of a grandson, born to Hani and Daniel Lowenstein.

I guess a kiddush (hopefully with chulent) will follow!

I believe the DI has (or has had) three token Jews: Klinghoffer, Berlinski, and Medved.

Lieberman didn't leave the Dems.
The Dems left Lieberman.

Lieberman would have run as a Dem but the Dems ran someone to defeat him in the primary.
Lieberman hasn't changed but the Dem party has become a place where a politically moderate pro-Israel, religiously observant person is no longer welcome.

I don't get the emotional bruhaha over evolution.

Of course if someone believes in a divine creator then the theory of evolution doesn't apply. Such a religious person would have to wonder why god created a world with fossils etc.

If an "intelligent design" proponent challenges evolution based on scientific evidence - fine. A true scientist should be willing to hear a credible challenge to a theory. (note the word "credible")

Even if the current theory of evolution were found to be scientifically/mathematically inviable it would not prove the existence of a creator, It would simply mean a better explanation of the evidence is needed.

Well, Shmuck-o, you're right about one thing: The Torah and evolution (and for that matter, most components of the beliefs in intelligent design) are totally incompatible. The world is older than 5,771 years by about 10 billion years, give or take a few. The real-life Fred, Wilma, and Pebbles lived more than 5,771 years ago, as did Barney, Betty, and Bam Bam (not to be confused with Ram Bam). Moreover, the dinosaurs lived tens of millions of years before the first cornerstone was laid in the town of Bedrock.

But this thread isn't about Klinghoffer; it's about Joe Lieberman. Your attempt to smear Lieberman by linking him to Klinghoffer, then denigrating Klinghoffer is exactly analogous to those on the far right who link Obama to Bill Ayres, and use that rather tenuous link to "prove" Obama is a closet communist and a secret supporter of the Weather Underground.

Joe Lieberman is a great senator and a mensch. Shame on you for disrespecting him.

Your attempt to smear Lieberman by linking him to Klinghoffer, then denigrating Klinghoffer is exactly analogous to those on the far right who link Obama to Bill Ayres, and use that rather tenuous link to "prove" Obama is a closet communist and a secret supporter of the Weather Underground.

Joe Lieberman is a great senator and a mensch. Shame on you for disrespecting him.

Posted by: Mr. Apikoros | February 04, 2011 at 12:44 PM

You really are thick-headed.

Lieberman LINKED HIMSELF to Klinghoffer.

If Lieberman had instead chosen to write this book 20 years ago and had chosen Rabbi Meir Kahane as his co-author, would you say it would have been wrong to bring up Kahane's racist views?

And, as I clearly showed you above (but as you characteristically ignored because you have no answer to it):
Klinghoffer claims many things. One of those things is that the Torah rules out evolution.

He bases this on the Genesis account of creation, which concludes with God resting on the 7th day.

This story is the basis for Shabbat, and many anti-evolutionists claim that accepting evolution negates Shabbat.
And this makes Klinghoffer's position on evolution a direct part of the book and the story.

All your phony bluster, your name-calling and your bullying do not change the facts.

The facts do not support you.

but as a believing orthodoz Jew,I am against evolution and believe that we should offer a creationist viewpoint in schools.
Posted by: shimon nafrtalis

shimon, i hope you will also include the viewpoint that the invisible black unicorn created the world. and of course the flying spaghetti monster (of blessed existence), as well as the spinning pigs. these are all equally worthy of our childrens time and our tax resources.

Shabbot was actually a good idea. Its purpose was to ensure that people had a day off from work each week, an idea quite a bit ahead of its time, I might add.

In order for that idea to gain acceptance among the harsh taskmasters of the day, those who wrote the Bible appropriated the idea to God.

You don't like Lieberman because he supported Bush on Iraq, and because he had the affrontry to be reelected when the ultra-left wing of the Democratic Party made Ned Lamont, the nephew of Comrade Corliss Lamont, the Democratic nominee. By that logic, the folks in Alaska should not voted for Lisa Murkowski because the right-wing morons in the Alaska Republican primary nominated Joe Miller.

Thank God we have Lieberman and Murkowski in the U.S. Senate, and even -- I'm holding my nose here -- Harry Reid in place of Sharron Angle.

BTW, your analogy is a poor one. Klinghoffer is no more Meir Kahane than I am Andy Pettite.

Of course, the tail now wags the dog, with Shabbot being an end unto itself.

Intelligent design is alive and well today. As proof, I cite that wonderful creature, the Golden Retriever, which was designed from some generic dog about 150 years ago.

On the other hand, cats haven't undergone much change. That's because God got it right the first time.

Lieberman hasn't changed but the Dem party has become a place where a politically moderate pro-Israel, religiously observant person is no longer welcome.

I have no party affiliation and I would offer the thought that what you have stated is even more true for the Republican party these days. BTW, I've had nothing but positive personal experiences with Senator Lieberman, but I would expect nothing less from a lifelong politician and I don't mean that as criticism - just realism. I think he has wore his public face of an observant Jew laudably and I look forward to reading the book.

mr a-

the discovery institute does not believe a divine being creates conditions which guide darwinian evolution. this quote is from their website....

" We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

this is from a letter they are circulating under the heading "dissent from darwin".

Posted by: Mr. Apikoros | February 04, 2011 at 01:14 PM

You have no idea why I like or dislike Lieberman.

Past that, you again failed to deal with the points I made.

Here's one:as I clearly showed you above (but as you characteristically ignored because you have no answer to it):
Klinghoffer claims many things. One of those things is that the Torah rules out evolution.
He bases this on the Genesis account of creation, which concludes with God resting on the 7th day.

This story is the basis for Shabbat, and many anti-evolutionists claim that accepting evolution negates Shabbat.
And this makes Klinghoffer's position on evolution a direct part of the book and the story.

Here's another:Lieberman LINKED HIMSELF to Klinghofferby choosing Klinghoffer as his co-author.

Those are the facts.

And those facts do not support you, your name-calling or your infantile bluster.

So, calling someone who disagrees with you "Freakin' Nazi slime" is adult behavior?

You can dish it out, and I'll toss it right back.

Hypocrite.

So, calling someone who disagrees with you "Freakin' Nazi slime" is adult behavior?

You can dish it out, and I'll toss it right back.

Hypocrite.

Posted by: Mr. Apikoros | February 04, 2011 at 01:37 PM

What a twisted human being you are.

After months of you using Nazi analogies and calling pretty much everyone you disagreed with "vermin" and other Nazi-related terms, and after being called out by many others who found this offensive, in response to one of your slurs I responded by calling you a Nazi slime.

And this, you believe, entitles you to name-call at will?

You are a sick, twisted little man.

"Vermin" isn't a Nazi-related term. I use it, nonetheless, to describe those so-called Jews who act like Nazis: Specially, the Hasidim who rioted over a parking lot being open on Shabbot, and Haredi scum who are trying to put Anat Hoffman in jail for exercising basic civil rights.

Moreover, you're a lying sack of fetid fecal material. You called me a "freaking Nazi slime" because I called you out (without using any profanity) because you put out a headline about a Chasid who ran over a little kid while rushing to visit his sick mother, something that has nothing to do with Hasidim. This is something Goebbels would do, and did.

You're the one who's acting like a Nazi here, you little crybaby. And you have the goddamned chutzpah to blame Glenn Beck and Fox News for doing exactly the same thing.

Throw rocks at me, shmendrick; I'll toss grenades right back.

For the record, here's the post I wrote which prompted Scotty the Shmuck to call me "Freaking Nazi Slime." It was in response to a story (unreported of course, by Putzya) in which some Haredi boys were heroes, rescuing people from a burning building.
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I saw this on TV. Funny how this story, in which Haredi yeshiva bochurim were heroes, didn't make it into this blog. Must have been an oversight, nicht wahr?

Hope the dog is OK.

Hat tip: Harold

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And here's the little shmendrick from St. Paul's response:

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I saw this on TV. Funny how this story, in which Haredi yeshiva bochurim were heroes, didn't make it into this blog. Must have been an oversight, nicht wahr?

No, you freaking Nazi slime. If you were smart – which you're not – or honest – which you're not – you might have noticed the story was posted on NY1's website only about one hour ago.

You might also have noticed the vide is not embeddable, meaning all I could do is post the brief written story, which isn't nearly as good as the video.

But you are the Nazi scum that you are.

Posted by: Shmarya | February 04, 2010 at 06:50 PM
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So, not only did he call me a Nazi once, he did it twice. Ironically, this is the anniversary of that little exchange.

The thing I'm most surprised about is that Scotty the Shmendrick hasn't banned me yet. I guess our little diatribe improves his readership. As some savant once said, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Scotty: You are consumed by your hatred of haredim. I don't like them any better than you do, but at least I try to be fair. Well, most of the time.

Adios, amigo.

Posted by: Mr. Apikoros | February 04, 2011 at 06:38 PM

Again, the sick, delusional little man lies.

For MONTHS before that, on a near DAILY basis, this prick used Nazi analogies, called everyone he disagreed with Nazi-linked names like "vermin," and kept insisting that Germany was – and his dead German wife – were better and more pure than Jews and Israelis.

He was called out fo this by many people, and there were frequent calls to ban him.

I did not ban him.

After months of provocation and months of his bullying, I finally responded to him by calling him what he arguably was – a Nazi slime.

All anyone needs to do is to re-read this post and all of his comments to it an my responses to see how this despicable excuse for a human being acts.

You'll see how he ignores facts, makes unsupportable accusations, and moves the issue away from the facts at nearly every opportunity.

If you go back to previous threads you'll watch him hurl names and threaten pretty much everyone, and do so usually unprovoked.

He's a pathetic little under-endowed man who becomes a cyber-bully to puff up his sorely sagging self-worth.

Look again at this post, look again at his responses and look again at the facts ass I presented them in response to him.

He can't win the argument by addressing the facts, so he tries to win by attacking me.

How very pathetic.

Shmegegge, it's time for you to put up or shut up.

You post a few occasions -- or even one -- where I said that Germany is "better and more pure than Jews and Israelis." Don't take my words out of context, either, if you know what's good for you.

I did -- and recently -- say German beer is better than Israeli beer. Having drunk both, I can make an informed decision there. Also, that German cars are better than Israeli cars. Since the only car, to the best of my knowledge, ever built in Israel was the Sabra -- assembled during the early 1960's, and an Israeli version of the underwhelming Chrysler Simca -- I stand by both statements. (I once rented a Spanish version of a Simca back in the 1970's.) If that makes me a Nazi, so be it.

As for my being "under-endowed," I strongly suspect you'd have far more expertise than I in observing and reporting upon male endowment.

Boy, did you set yourself up for that one.

Posted by: Mr. Apikoros | February 06, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Here you go again.

Process: What I said is that you repeatedly claimed that Germany and your dead German wife were better than and more pure than haredim and others you criticized.

Anyone who take the time to search your comments here, especially those going back a year, will see multiple examples of this.

As for being under-endowed, I think your behavior pretty much confirms that.

No, you lying sack of Scheisse, you said "Jews and Israelis." Not "Haredim." Changing one's story is the hallmark of a liar.

Yeah, I think much more highly of Hans and Helga Schmidt minding their own business in Munich than I do of some Haredi asshole who riots over a parking lot being open on Shabbot. Again, if this makes me a Nazi, I'm proud to be one, as opposed to a libelous loser such as yourself.

BTW, I strongly suspect YOU were Alternative Childcare all along, and have suspected this for for quite some time. Your language is almost identical to his. I always wondered why a man supposedly living in Jerusalem would be posting diatribes at 3:00 AM Israel time. On Shabbot, no less. And why someone would continually post links to a Dead Kennedys song.

Why you'd get into arguments with one of your alter-egos is a subject for mental health professionals to deal with, not me.

No, you lying sack of Scheisse, you said "Jews and Israelis." Not "Haredim." Changing one's story is the hallmark of a liar.

You're a fool.

Haredim are a subset of both, the subset you most often call "vermin."

BTW, I strongly suspect YOU were Alternative Childcare all along,

That would be because you are an idiot.

Your language is almost identical to his. I always wondered why a man supposedly living in Jerusalem would be posting diatribes at 3:00 AM Israel time.

As he told you – but as you characteristically ignored – he doesn't live in Israel.

Now run along and watch your under-endowed self in a mirror.

Bullshit. He's posted many times that he lives in Israel -- Jerusalem. Actually, that was YOU who said he didn't live in Israel.

At one point, I thought he lived in Brooklyn. But one of his posts, which occured after Shabbat in the eastern time zone but before sunset in the central (and further west) zones, narrowed the location down a bit.

BTW, you insulted me, but you didn't deny that you're Alternative Childcare.

Regardless of whether you also post as Alternative Childcare (or as Harold; that wouldn't surprise me either), you're a flaming rectal orifice. To quote the immortal Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, the best part of you rolled down your mother's leg and left a brown stain on the mattress.

Now, why haven't you kicked me off this blog (not that I'd stay off)? I believe these flame wars, like hockey fights, garner you hits.

As far I'm concerned, this is counterproductive. I want to see your remaining advertiser disappear and your blog lose all credibility. So from now on, I'll let you fight with the Haredim, not me. They're typically semiliterate and you even might be able to defeat them in an argument from time to time.

Now go watch the game, get yourself turned on by BIG Ben Roethlisberger, and as my grandpa would say if he ever met you, szopjad szét a büdös kis geci pöcsödet.

Bullshit. He's posted many times that he lives in Israel -- Jerusalem. Actually, that was YOU who said he didn't live in Israel.

He did write about being in Jerusalem YEARS AGO, but he doesn't live there now and hasn't during the entire time he's been posting here.

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