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December 06, 2010

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Shmarya

i am not trying to make the case come out one way or another, nor desire to grind axes)

Maybe not, but you certainly have no clue at all about what happened, what the judge was saying, or the behavior of the haredi couple and Hoffman. And because of your many previous posts, I'm inclined to think your 'puzzlement' is a ploy.

Hoffman shot a video. In that video Georgie says several things that are false without question, including that Sylvia is her personal assistant but she hasn't spoken to Sylvia about the details of her phone conversation with the judge.

She also says frum people do not lie.

And there are other clear lies, as well, and the same is true for the couples interview with Hoffman – himself a notorious liar.

But you, who finely parses the judge's remark, somehow misses these very glaring lies.

Either you are an idiot – which, as I've noted before, is possible – or you are engaging in a type of lie to protect the frum community, which is more than possible.

Either way, it's time for you to stop this passive aggressive BS.

Yoel Mechanic

There is one thing that concerns me about the "revlon tag". Now, I might be over analyzing the wording the judge used, but if she chose her wording carefully she did not say in a plain direct way there was a revlon tag. She said something to the effect that revlon makes this (...type of?.) wig for a couple of bucks. I watched it a few times and unless the judge was being sloppy, it is possible she was using the name 'revlon' as a "for instance" of a cheaper manufacturer. Of course, it is also totally possible that her language just got a bit dramatic and in fact she did mean to say it was precisely a revlon label in that wig. In this case, her rhetoric was designed to create suspense and a stunning emotional blow to the litigants (can you imagine Judge Wapner behaving that way?) But I hope you can see her wording was not direct. I think it would be best if someone simply got a hold of this wig and checked it out; and made a clear statement as to what exact label is in the wig. (btw: i am encouraging discussion... i am not trying to make the case come out one way or another, nor desire to grind axes)

R

in the Georgie interview Georgie claims torah learning jews don't lie.
She also said the woman came to her in a panic coz she had nothing to wear on her head, she only wore a scarf. I thought the woman said she had two wigs in court. The full wig and the fall. So why the need for a scarf?
georgie was not being honest, but then again she's biased as she claims Heidy is her best customer and she doesn't want to lose good business, especially if Heidy spends 3k on a midrange wig.
Human hair wigs can cost you a few hundred quid, they don't need to cost the earth.

Yoel Mechanic

Josh: There is an interview with Georgie on VIN. Whether she is covering up for the couple or not, there is a distinct possibility that her story is true.
--------------------------------------------

You'll have to explain that one! Why?

Shmarya

Custom made wigs do not have Revlon tags.

Georgie's answers are patently false, as many of the commenters on VIN, of all places, noted.

And the issue is not merely the cost of repair, it is the value of the wig itself.

Yoel Mechanic

The issue revolves around the value of the damaged wig, and whether it could have been repaired for much less money. The plaintiffs were accused of misrepresenting the value and whether the judge did an adequate investigation with a phone call to Georgie (and interview with Georgie is listed below). There is a tag on the wig that says "Revlon". Mrs Georgie says she does custom wigs, and smiles indicating she manufacturers them herself. I am not familiar with custom made: does this mean the she does the actual weaving herself, buying only the hair and cap, or she gets them pre-woven (with a manufacturing label from the weaver) and the "custom" part is only that she cuts the wigs to specification? I think some further discussion of this would help solidify some of the arguments being made. As for the Mrs. Georgie interview, it was hard to interpret; perhaps further discussion of that is needed.

Here is the Georgie interview (for reference)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1LILGkvLRE

WoolSilkCotton

Regarding the never-ending saga of slime that this sheitel episode has become, and which can't seem to die a natural death, I consider the following:

The truth is usually a straight and smooth path.
The truth is usually a beacon of light that is easy to see, even from a distance.
The truth usually takes only a few words to explain.
Great words of truth are always short and succinct, such as the Ten Commandments, the Gettysburg Address, or the Bill of Rights.

The frumma side of the story here is a long, convoluted and gyrated mess of half-baked stories, vague statements, questionable conversations, and multiple versions.

The facts are no longer the issue.

To all you frumma involved in this story- for your own good, take an immediate dose of STFU.

WoolSilkCotton

++Just like the Chinese bus company employees who won't tell hapless travelers where their competitors' bus leaves from.++

LOL! Fung Wah and Lucky Star Bus Companies are both a few doors away from the intersection of Canal and Chrystie Streets, but they may as well be on opposite sides of the planet!

FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican

Google is your friend.

1. Brooklyn is the land of multiple D/B/A's.
2. There is only one Georgie Wigs listed in Brooklyn.
3. The lady named Georgie has her own website, but the name is not Georgie Wigs.
4. There is a company named Georgie International in Brooklyn, but can't tell what line of business they are engaged in.
5. It could be the show's producers and the judge herself couldn't follow the trail of who the real vendor was. But even if the judge herself called the wrong Georgie's, would they tell the judge who manufactured the wigs with the tags she described to them? Just like the Chinese bus company employees who won't tell hapless travelers where their competitors' bus leaves from.

Shmarya

Posted by: Josh | December 13, 2010 at 09:17 AM

Please.

I had the original story before VIN.

VIN published the same video I published. It got severe flack from rabbis and "askanim," and so it later published Rabbi Yair Hoffman's shameful piece without addressing the actual incriminating facts, and then that Georgie interview.

Revlon doesn't make $3000 human hair wigs.

And no amount of haredi lies in the attempt to cover up this story changes that.

Josh

There is an interview with Georgie on VIN. Whether she is covering up for the couple or not, there is a distinct possibility that her story is true. Scott, you needed to investigate before posting. Once again you might say that others need to do the research, however, the damage caused by you has already taken place and how can you make amends? It appears that you just a shill for your yetzer hara.

www.michaltastik.com

Did she really grab his weiner at about 42 seconds into the video?

Posted by: Dan | December 06, 2010 at 11:06 PM

I think so. I saw that, too.

As for the accents, I was thinking it could be OTDs who became actors but alotta people are saying they know them or know people who've been on these shows....


Velvel

This BP couple's decision to appear on The People's Court whether the show was rigged or not was not the brightest. This tape should be shown in every Bais Yakov to show the dangers of TV.

WoolSilkCotton

In the name of 'modesty' and not to be appealing to any man but your husband, you must have a wig that goes for $3000 or more.

And this is presented as orthodox Jewish piety on nationwide TV.

Where Have the True Jews Gone?

We should all be appalled and ashamed that such a thing as a $3000 shaitel even exists and that 'orthodox' women actually wear them

We should also be appalled and ashamed that VIN exists and that people read, listen and believe that crap


Shmarya

For the very few of you who were taken in by Rabbi Yair Hoffman's shameless lies on VIN, think about this:

The judge said the wig had a Revlon tag.

The most expensive Revlon wig I saw online lists for just under $800 but was being sold for about $250.

The average Revlon wig can be purchased online for about $100.

So the couple is lying and so is Hoffman.

As for Georgie Wigs, they've been under massive pressure from haredim because it told the truth to the judge, and that, more than anything else, accounts for its part in Hoffman's attempted cover up.

Where Have the True Jews Gone?

There is nothing to say except:
CHILLUL HASHEM!CHILLUL HASHEM! CHILLUL HASHEM!CHILLUL HASHEM! CHILLUL HASHEM! CHILLUL HASHEM! CHILLUL HASHEM! CHILLUL HASHEM!
May they rot in hell!

http://www.vosizneias.com/70797/2010/12/09/new-york-the-other-side-of-the-wig-story/

http://www.vosizneias.com/70797/2010/12/09/new-york-the-other-side-of-the-wig-story/

CantTakeNomore

The bottom line all you loch in tuches apologists (especially anyone arguing 'halachikly' is that this dreck 'frum' couple should never had accepted to be on the Peoples Court in the first place.
"Be Holy for I am Holy" I believe is supposed our creed. What an abject, pathetic example to show the world. Once again the 'frummies' have defined what the world accepts as authentic Jewish belief and action.
Ugh, Ugh, Ugh

WoolSilkCotton

Frumma who don't watch TV and are disconnected from normal America are not familiar with this TV program, and so they say these ignorant things about how the show is not real.

If the verdict went the other way, the frumma would be in love with the TV program, and you'd see the show packed with frumma suing everyone in sight for every little bullshit they could.

"Stop this Hispanic Judge"

Imagine the reaction of the frumma if an Hispanic person said "Stop this Jewish Judge" about Judge Wapner or Judge Judy.

seymour

To the user: Stop this Hispanic Judge, court is not a place for TV ratings,

you are a moron,I was on one of these shows when my neighbors dog bit my dog and refused to-pay the veterinarian bil.

I can say it was not staged at all,and what my neighbor did not know was I had proof that he was lying,(he said my do9g attacked his dog)and he got embarrassed, and just said I got busted.

The judge was Italian and the neighbor was Italian what do you say to that.

At least my neighbor admitted his lies.

And how do you explain the Revlon tag? when

AL

To the user: Stop this Hispanic Judge, court is not a place for TV ratings,

Guess what smart guy? The Latina judge Marilyn Milian married a Jew named John Schlesinger. Now, do you STILL think she's biased against Jews?

WoolSilkCotton

Over on VIN, they're still going nuts over this case. Some frumbag rabbi has now 'investigated' and come up with all kinds of 'evidence' to show the frumma are right and the judge is evil.
Amazing to see the contortions they are now going through, now that they've been exposed for the crooks that they are.

And how typical that a 'rabbi' will fabricate evidence to 'prove' they are right, rather than to chastise them for the chilul hashem they committed. As usual, the frumma can do no wrong, and no rabbi will ever criticize a frum crook.

Bfeirush in Fartscroll

Helen, blow me. On second thought don't, the stank of rancid gefilte fish coming off you would be unbearable.

Shmarya

Posted by: Stop this Hispanic Judge, court is not a place for TV ratings | December 09, 2010 at 11:48 PM

No. You're wrong. It was a laundry. The dirty laundry the couple brought there was in laundry bags. No normal person takes a suit or an expensive dry clean only dress or blouse and crumples them up in a laundry bag.

Face it. This couple are thieves. Stop trying to cover up for them.

Stop this Hispanic Judge, court is not a place for TV ratings

@Shmarya
laundry Is solid clothings which on some ocasions they happen to be your suit, when people have the so called ordinary dirty laundry,(cellulose,poly filamentous, or poly blend) based clothing with no tags requiring for dry clean, you send it to a laundro-mat and they got plenty of that in the Boro.
if you notice i printout about the cleaners if you don't specialize in dry clean don't bother. you are a fool like the judge.
It's hard to buy that this couple coming from their back-round would be wearing a mop for 2-300 bucks.it's not Israel dude, we are talking about from the origin of theee boro parkers

Dovid

Shmarya, you say shu"t and talmidim of the Rav. Please give a source, any source, any, which talmid (from the dozens) that a woman does not have to cover her hair in a place where women don't cover their hair.

Helen

Shmarya you really should read some of these comments before posting most are quite intelligent,but some like the Feirish are quite idiotic.

L I L

i thought so you loser, nice source provided.

WoolSilkCotton

The judge clearly stated that the issues were the value of the wig, and whether the wig could be restored/repaired. The judge was therefore considering awarding damages to the frumma.

When it turned out that the frumma were obviously liars about the value of the wig, that ended the matter.

The label inside the wig said Revlon. Revlon wigs go for a couple of hundred dollars. The receipt for $3000 from the Georgi Wig Salon was not for a Revlon wig. Georgie does not sell Revlon wigs.

Georgie Wig Salon
4424 16th Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11204
(Borough Park)
(718) 633-6082

But to the frumma velt, everything is antisemitism, and so the obvious explanation to what happened is antisemitism.

You frumma idiots who think you can bullshit the whole world cannot understand what went wrong here. Not every goy in the world outside of Boro Park is a dupe waiting for you to take advantage.
If you cannot get that through your gemorrah kup, you will learn it the hard way, in court.

Shmarya

The judge question about what type of detergent was used in the washing machine? the terms she used, and way she questioned proves her ignorance, in dry cleaners most clothings use the dry clean machine with perk,NO WASHING MACHINES nor water base detergents. …Posted by: Stop this Hispanic Judge, court is not a place for TV ratings | December 09, 2010 at 04:24 AM

It was a LAUNDRY, not a dry cleaner, and everyone on the video made that clear.

Stop this Hispanic Judge, court is not a place for TV ratings

The judge question about what type of detergent was used in the washing machine? the terms she used, and way she questioned proves her ignorance, in dry cleaners most clothings use the dry clean machine with perk,NO WASHING MACHINES nor water base detergents.
I think they should go back to the shop acquire another receipt and take it to higher court,because it's beyond the reason of doubt that the evidence against the cleaners is over whelming, which ever way you look at it.

Bfeirush in Fartscroll

What no one seems to be picking up on is that Heidi probably gives gantz good keppy which is more than can be said for 96.45% of frummock broads living in Borrow Park. This one doesn't blush when little Mendy knocks and you can be sure she's no quitter or spitter. God bless her. So she tried to poket some coin off the goyim. Big deal. Those wetbacked Mexican illegals should go back to Ecuador where they came from before Los Tres Letres comes knocking on la puerta.

Stop this Hispanic Judge, court is not a place for TV ratings

1)I am from the Dry clean industry, And i can see the cleaners used perk, and not water base detergent, they ruined the wig period.
not only is this obvious to the naked eye that the cleaners did not act with prudence, she also admitted on her way out of the court house that she would never ever clean wigs again indicating that wigs is not her area of cleaning expertise, so then why and why did she clean it to begin with
2)In addition wigs sold long, then are cut to semi long or other style's, leaving no indication of what the original size once was.
3)It does not sound like the judge based her ruling on reliable source, when she exclaimed to speak with a so called Representative from the wig shop.

Bottom Line this judge and her family are Hispanics, she makes money and scores good rating to bring "interesting" cases(like orthodox Jews)and blow it out of whack and make a story out of it, and prove that Jews are liars.

I am personally not wealthy would spend every penny in my pocket to bring real justice and stop this judge from her celebrity perks and sense less anecdotes,SGS/lab for only 2-300 bucks would check the hair to see what they used to clean the wig and who's hair the wig is made from by matching it with similar wigs from the shop, go get them don't give up.

Tom

What's the big deal?

Frumiks are also liars, thieves and criminals.

They are also hypocrites....sometimes.

The local rabbi who runs the Jewish Bookstore was featured in the Washington Post for lying about the origin of sifrei torah he was selling. Turns out these Holocaust torah scrolls were not what he claimed they were.

Uh, oh.

He still insists it's all a big "misunderstanding".

There is no criminal like a "religious" one.

They are non-believers since they think that HaShem either doesn't exist or will ignore their aveyrohs.

Shmarya

Shmarya, You've posted a common error:

"If the married non-Jewish women of your town / country do not cover their hair, a married Jewish woman does not need to cover her hair, either."

Regarding the issue of Davening in front of a woman with uncovered hair (where the Mishna Brurah is machmir)the Aruch Hashulchan writes that since "biavonoseinu harabim" women today are not covering their hair therefore one can daven in front of them. People erroneously quote this Aruch Hashulchan as if he said that in a place where women don't cover their hair you do not have to cover your hair.

Posted by: Dovid | December 08, 2010 at 05:45 PM

Please.

Literally dozens of wives of Lithuanian Orthodox rabbis did not cover their hair pre-WW2 for the exact same reason I stated.

Aaron Kotler's wife was among them. The answer you call a "common mistake" was his answer.

Dovid

Shmarya, You've posted a common error:

"If the married non-Jewish women of your town / country do not cover their hair, a married Jewish woman does not need to cover her hair, either."

Regarding the issue of Davening in front of a woman with uncovered hair (where the Mishna Brurah is machmir)the Aruch Hashulchan writes that since "biavonoseinu harabim" women today are not covering their hair therefore one can daven in front of them. People erroneously quote this Aruch Hashulchan as if he said that in a place where women don't cover their hair you do not have to cover your hair.

Moshe Kapoier

I am sure that if the couple would have protested the judge's fraud claim, then she would have verified it further and not just accepted the secretary's word.
But since they didn't protest, it became clear that they were passing off the receipt of a new wig as that of the old wig.

My only point of disagreement with Shmarya, (and it's a minot one, in the big picture) is that he claims the wife was lying or at least suspicious-sounding when she said she only had two, the long one and the fall.
That's perfectly reasonable. It means she's always had only two wigs, and when the old one got ruined, she went and bought a new one, and now has two wigs again.
I don't know why the judge had trouble understanding that either.
Regardless, these people are an embarrassment to Orthodox Jewry on so many levels that I am literally off my feed since watching this.
Ah Freilichen Chanuka to all those who aren't letting the Yevanim win!

Shmarya

Shu"t and in the testimony of Rabbi JB Soloveichik's students – dozens of them.

L I L

Where is this halaka stated?

Shmarya

If the married non-Jewish women of your town / country do not cover their hair, a married Jewish woman does not need to cover her hair, either.

Rabbi JB Soloveichik modified that by adding that this rule applied as long as the woman's hair was kept relatively short.

L I L

why whats the halKha?

Shmarya

Shmarya: First off don't go bringing proof from YU Rabbis, your just bolstering my point. And half of pre war Rabbi's in Lita? Please, I've heard of select cases, but the fact that they broke Halacha requirements doesn't lessen the the requirement for women now a days.

Posted by: L I L | December 08, 2010 at 10:29 AM

They did NOT "break halakha."

As I stated above, YOU do NOT know halakha very well. That's the problem.

L I L

Shmarya: First off don't go bringing proof from YU Rabbis, your just bolstering my point. And half of pre war Rabbi's in Lita? Please, I've heard of select cases, but the fact that they broke Halacha requirements doesn't lessen the the requirement for women now a days.

Shmarya

ALI: married jewish women do have to cover their hair, stop getting offended by the truth.

Posted by: L I L | December 08, 2010 at 09:18 AM

Then half of all the wives of Lithuanian rosh yeshivas pre-WW2 broke halakha, because they did not cover their hair.

And the same would be true for most of the wives of YU rabbis until the late 1980s.

You see, L I L, you don't know halakha very well.

Process that.

L I L

ALI: married jewish women do have to cover their hair, stop getting offended by the truth.

Forty Eighter

Would someone please do a public service and out these fat slobs?! I would like to send them a personal note of thanks for pulling me down with them into their sewer.

Frankly, even if their claim was legit, it still takes the most vainest arrogant people to bring these type of suit to national TV. A person who is vain enough to purchase a $3000 wig sues a poor immigrant family for washing a wig that they themselves accidentaly put in the bag. At least be discreet enough to sue in regular small claims court out of the eyes of the whole nation.

What a bunch of low-life pigs.

My guess is that they will be in the news again one day soon. And it wont be pretty.

WoolSilkCotton

Frumma crooks are not capable of feeling embarrassed. They only feel surprised and angry that they didn't get away with their crooked scheme. It's all part of their sociopathy.
Do you think any Rubashkin is capable of feeling embarrassed?

Betzalel, the frumma did indeed tell 'their side' of the story, and the judge gave them a chance to explain the lie. So did the interviewer when they walked out to the lobby. Maybe you need to listen to the program again.

Marilyn Milian was a real judge for many years. Just google her name. Do you think you know more about judging and the law than she does?

Look at the frumma liars on the other People's Court video- they don't seem the least bit embarrassed, either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLzz6Wx4MYQ&
feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDD5H6ZG6V0&NR=1

David

These folks were prepared to go into a REAL court and swear to this under oath. Amazing. Too bad they only get embarassed to death.

Posted by: Office of the Chief Rabbi | December 07, 2010 at 07:58 AM

Were they embarrassed? I'm not sure. I don't think they even care.

ah-pee-chorus

why am i seeing georgi human-hair wigs here for about $400 ?

http://www.thewigemporium.com/georgiehumanhairwigs

Ali

Did you notice how the Jewish con artist told the judge that married Jewish women must cover their hair? She made it sound as if it's an undeniable fact that all married Jews cover their hair. I'm not swimming in a cesspool with that freak!

Ali

Georgie's Wigs:

http://www.georgiewigs.com/

I found something even more offensive than a frummie in the flesh; the Sarah Palin wig!

David

Their are two different Georgie wigs, They bought is from the former owner of Georgie ( who still calls her company Georgie) ...The company is now oned by her Husband who kept the name..the judge called the wrong store

Posted by: Wigs | December 07, 2010 at 08:54 PM

Wouldn't the judge have called the store whose phone number is on the receipt?

jay

You're just splitting hairs. EIther that or you've been conditioned to think that way

Wigs

Their are two different Georgie wigs, They bought is from the former owner of Georgie ( who still calls her company Georgie) ...The company is now oned by her Husband who kept the name..the judge called the wrong store

Betzalel

WoolSilkCotton said "Betzalel, if the cleaners were frumma, and the couple with the damaged wig were Hispanics, you would say the judge is a genius. Please, Betzalel, be careful not to hurt yourself from bending over so far backwards."

You don't know me, so I don't see how you can come to this conclusion, just as I don't see how anyone can come to the conclusion that the couple lied without hearing their side of the story first.

WoolSilkCotton

Betzalel, if the cleaners were frumma, and the couple with the damaged wig were Hispanics, you would say the judge is a genius. Please, Betzalel, be careful not to hurt yourself from bending over so far backwards.


BTW, this isn't the first time that frumma tried to bullshit Judge Marilyn Milian on The People's Court (it's in 2 parts):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLzz6Wx4MYQ&
feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDD5H6ZG6V0&NR=1

Chicago Sam

This is a fascinating case, one that I will probably use in my Jewish Legal Ethics class because of the various issues it raises.

This would also be a good illustration for a teen Sunday school class learning about how to determine whether someone is lying or not.

Now, wouldn't it be interesting to see how a real Beit Din would have decided in such a case?

I doubt they would have ruled any differently. The PC judge did a good job, and I am glad she did not make her decision but pondered the evidence.

Betzalel

I finally found a commenter that agrees with me on youtube from succmgnt:

"The judge is wrong.

First of all, she didn't give them a chance to respond. A judge can't make a decision based on an accusation that the other side didn't have an opportunity to address.

Second, a judge is not allowed to consider testimony given over the phone. What if the person at Georgi's was mistaken? Maybe she didn't understand the judge. Maybe she's new. Maybe she's just plain stupid. This is why testimony can only be given in person when the other side is there to question the witness."

Call me a fool. I may in fact be a fool, but if so, this fool doesn't believe everything he sees on TV. There are always two sides to every story. We didn't get to hear their side.

FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican

I know that people here have posted how this show gets guests, or at least how they did in the past. But I wonder if this whole thing is a sendup. Especially since the show's website has a 'contact us' page that invites people to contact them about their case.

These TV court shows were always entertainment shows, anyway. Back in the day when even former NYC mayor Ed Koch was a TV judge, they played it straight. Nowadays, you have clapping and laughter by the studio audience. Even if the Jewish couple filed a lawsuit against the washing service, there was nothing to stop the show from hiking the damage amount and inserting the Perry Mason-style courtroom drama.

OTOH, if the Jewish couple really tried to scam the washing service, I don't think many TV viewers in the heartland will ascribe this behavior to all Jews. These shows have all had people from all races, colors, and creeds come on and claim bogus damages.

If some producer did not recruit the parties to appear on the TV show, remember that Georgie's is a real business in Brooklyn and the TV show is produced in Manhattan. Georgie's got a plug on a national TV show. The hispanic family got a fee for appearing. Maybe a bunch of co-conspirators wanted to make some fun TV segments that would generate a viral video.

chief doofis

People must know them. It would be hearwarming if the local shul folks ran this dreck out of their midst

Mr. Apikoros

There was no perjury; this is a TV court, not a real one.

But this frumbaggress lied her ass off, and from what I can tell, it's a fat ass.

corn popper

Looks like the "Monsey-type Hungarian Chasidic-lite" couple - the wife is a non-tznius (by Haredi rules)loud mouth cheat-in-a-heartbeat ...itch who must make her husband miserable - she finally had her lunch handed to her. sickening

jay

Actually, the judge did say that it was a Revlon wig and was only worth "a few dollars"

So she did her due diligence.

At any rate there was perjury and attempted fraud.

David

On YouTube this already has over 22,000 views and over 300 comments.

Great.

YouTube link at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc9Ef0OYOwA

All comments at:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=Oc9Ef0OYOwA

BaltimoreYid

Apparantly it isn't just the Spinka, Balkany, Rubashkin & Madoff. Now we get to see the g'naiva at the lower echelons of frum society as well. Why worry about the Moshiach coming? Why worry about the Torah? Why worry about a chilul HaShem to stir the anti-Semitic pot a bit more? From the petty ripoffs to the grand ripoffs we lead! Then we all sit around and kvetch about the goyim. Ecchh! HaShem Yirachem.

effie

Betzalel: The judge asked:

Where did you buy this damaged wig? Georgi.
How much did it cost? 3k.
What's this receipt for? The purchase of the wig that was damaged.

Lie. Lie. Lie.

The judge never called them liars. She did say that they were trying to pass off the receipt for the wig she was wearing as the receipt for the damaged wig. The plaintiffs proved themselves to be liars. There was nothing to explain.

And as you will note, when they walked out and had an opportunity to explain, they did not.

norm

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but one needs to understand how these "TV Judge" shows work.

Each show has young assistant producers go over to various small claims courts and go through the filings. They find cases which might be interesting and then the producer writes both parties and offers them a deal-

Dismiss your matter in the state ocurt and the show will put up a pool-let's say $3,000. The plaintiff if he or she wins gets paid out of the pool and the "change" is split evenly. If the defendant wins the pot is split evenly. Thus I'm guessing that Mr. and Ms. Frum actually got a nice chunk of change for losing the case!

I am glad People's Court aired this episode. It accurately portrayed two fummies triyign to exploit gentiles. Yet another reason for all mainstream Jews to demand their federatiosn stop funding schools which produce more of these parasites.

Betzalel

Effie,

I'm not saying that the judge's ruling that the plaintiff's needed proof that the wig that was damaged was $3,000. Clearly, the plaintiff's didn't have any proof, given that the judge verified that the store didn't sell that brand of wig.

I am saying that accusing the plaintiffs of lying in court without hearing their response is not the act of a responsible judge. There are two sides to every story.

I'll say that I was wrong before when I said that human hair wigs cost thousands of dollars. I see on the internet that there are quite a few for only hundreds of dollars.

Anyway, this whole clip is disturbing.

Helen

This just makes me sick to my stomach. no wonder all these kids are going off the Derech. I am nauseated at the way supposedly religious people behave.

Twersky is Jim Jones

I can see it: A Charedi reality show!
Just like Jersey Shore but in the confines of New Square. Mom pregnant with number 14 and bitching as dad makes sexual advances on his 12 year old daughter; sitting around the kitchen table filling out a massive pile of fraudulent public assistance forms, the matzoh factory in the old school bus next door catching fire
The possibilities are endless....

effie

Betzalel: The plaintiffs submitted a false receipt for damages. The judge verified that the receipt was for the wig she had on her head - not the damaged wig. The store told the judge that they do not carry the brand of the wig that was damaged. There is nothing questionable about the judge's ruling.

The judge is acting as a jury. Jurors are instructed: "If you decide that a witness deliberately lied about something significant in this case, you should consider not believing anything that witness says." They lied about something significat.

effie

eric: This show has been on television for decades. Where have you been?

It's a television show where a real retired judge with a real retired bailiff mediate real small claims cases. The parties have agreed to the mediation and the retired judge's decision is binding.

flailed

"is this a human hair wig?" "of course." ich.

"all parties, please raise your right hand." they don't. "all parties have been 'affirmed' your honor."

they have asked that the court not use their last names. the judge will respect that, but we don't have to. who are these creeps? publicize their names, where they live, and everything else about them. let's see what other scandals they have been involved in.

Betzalel

Mr. Apikorsis,

Human hair wigs cost thousands of dollars, not $10. It is possible to determine if a wig is human hair just by examining it. It's finer than animal hair. You don't have to check the tag. The judge never disputed that it was human hair, as the plaintiffs said it was. I doubt the plaintiffs would have made such a claim that it was human hair if it wasn't.

As I said, the judge's ruling is questionable. Too bad it makes Jews look bad anyway. But of course, we've been accused of worse.

eric

this clip looks like a T.V show.
it does not look real.
are those actors?

Mr. Apikoros

Betzalel, yes, that's exactly what happened. The wig which looked like crap probably cost $10, and this frumbag bitch claimed it was worth $3,000.

The bitch claimed she bought it from a store and paid $3,000 for it. The TV judge called the store and the store said they didn't stock the brand. The bitch lied. End of story, EXCEPT--

Frumbags such as yourself have the audicity to defend this bitch because she's a fellow frumbag. I'll bet if she were a secular Jew you'd be calling for her scalp.

Office of the Chief Rabbi

These folks were prepared to go into a REAL court and swear to this under oath. Amazing. Too bad they only get embarassed to death.

Betzalel

To everyone who believes what they saw - the whole thing is a TV show, not a real court. It is edited too.

In any real court of justice, a judge does not call people liars without allowing them the chance to respond.

Yes, frum people do bad things. However, in this case, I doubt it. Do you really think that lady had two wigs, one worth $3,000 and the other a few dollars? And how could the judge determine that the wig was not a long haired wig just by looking at it? The wig was obviously destroyed. And what about the tag? Who knows what the tag said? The judge doesn't know anything about wigs. And who did the judge talk to anyway? We don't know. That person never testified in court.

flailed

what scares is how they manage to project sincerity and honesty. i used to think i was a good judge of character, but i find that with these self rightous swindlers i can't tell.

flailed

nausiating cruddy creeps. they should be arrested for fraud and institutionalized for moronity.
(btw...great how she managed to interject her social commentary. three thousand dollar wigs are 'mid range,' for us machmir wig wearers.)
great judge. great job. (her comment about how mendy was so irresistible etc. shouldta passed though.)

jancsipista

chaim yes they were my neighbors in brooklyn they moved a couple of years ago to another part of brooklyn you dont think i will write it down to you here do you where they moved?

David

I predict this video will be an international hit and go viral.

It is an antisemite's dream come true.

This is why it is so important that the frumma really do answer to a higher standard and this is what people like Harold could never quite understand.

Yoel Mechanic

>. The judge appeared to act like a prosecutor. And the plaintiffs didn't seem to have the opportunity to defend themselves.

Um... this type of proceeding is modeled on small claims court, and *not* on criminal court. The judge is allowed to ask questions, etc.

larry

read the comments by frum people here:
www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=30538#c

seth

dan, i know what you meant .why did she take her left hand under the table for
just 1 second? what under the table ? nothing . bad move . another hillul hashem . a pretty quick , this one .

Dan

Did she really grab his weiner at about 42 seconds into the video?

Hadasah

since when frum people call their daughter heidi ? not real

Posted by: just wondering | December 06, 2010 at 09:37 PM

My English name is Heidi I really hate it and I know a few other Jewish people by that name but they are middle aged.

Dave

Loshon H. thanks for the explanation.
Here's a joke:
What do they call Wiki leaks in India?
A: Well they have two names for it: Vikileaks,
or Vikramleaks.

David

If this case had gone through normal state courts (not the private "People's Court"), I wonder what the judge would have done when the perjury was discovered?

Also, the People's Court judge should have made the frumma pay $3,000 compensation to the laundry couple.

chaim

jancsipista,
this couple were your neighbors .
where? brooklyn? which neighborhood?

Loshon Hora

Hegemony (Greek: ἡγεμονία hēgemonía, English: [UK] /hɨˈɡɛməni/, [US]: pronounced /hɨˈdʒɛməni/; "leadership" or "hegemon" for "leader") [1] is the political, economic, ideological or cultural power exerted by a dominant group over other groups, regardless of the explicit consent of the latter. While initially referring to the political dominance of certain ancient Greek city-states over their neighbors, the term has come to be used in a variety of other contexts, in particular Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci's theory of cultural hegemony. The term is often mistakenly used to suggest brute power or dominance, when it is better defined as emphasizing how control is achieved through consensus not force.[citation needed.
Wikipedia, not Wiki leaks

Loshon Hora

LH, sorry I do not know what "tiboel lehegmon techilah" means.

Posted by: Dave | December 06, 2010 at 08:30 PM

There was a decree that any virgin who got married had to have virginity taken by the Hegmon, first B4 her husband.
Hegmon is also used in English a Hegmony.I think it is not exactly a king, but a sort of local rep, like a Govener General.

Betzalel

just wondering, that frum couple was as frum as frum can be. I don't think it is possible for any Gentile or non-frum Jew to acquire a frummy accent without years of practice, not even Frank Caliendo.

effie

Betzalel: I don't know about the judges on the planet you come from, but here on planet earth, judges get mad when you try to commit a fraud.

just wondering

since when frum people call their daughter heidi ? not real

Betzalel

I have no idea whether the plaintiffs lied or not. But based on the clip, it appears that the judge acted inappropriately. The judge appeared to act like a prosecutor. And the plaintiffs didn't seem to have the opportunity to defend themselves.

Shmarya

I'm going to throw a wrench into this - did anyone notice at the end, wen they walked out and were interviewed, that the frum woman said that the lady who owns the shop that sold her the wig is not in town, so she couldn't have answered the phone? Maybe the person who answered the phone, who was filling in, gave incorrect information? I was just wondering...

The judge says the employee of the wig store said two things:

1. The woman bought a long haired wig.

2. The store doesn't sell the brand of wig the woman gave the judge.

The woman told the judge she owned only two wigs – the long haired one she was now wearing and a fall.

The judge also checked the price of the short haired wig the woman gave her and found out it was very inexpensive.

That means the wig the woman purchased at the wig store was the long haired wig she was wearing.

And it also means the woman and her husband were lying and trying to defraud the laundry and the court.

WoolSilkCotton

Rochel, maybe the frum woman was FOS?

Rochel

I'm going to throw a wrench into this - did anyone notice at the end, wen they walked out and were interviewed, that the frum woman said that the lady who owns the shop that sold her the wig is not in town, so she couldn't have answered the phone? Maybe the person who answered the phone, who was filling in, gave incorrect information? I was just wondering...

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