Haredi Women Get Nose Jobs And Breast Enhancements As Taboo Against Cosmetic Surgery Falls

"We must remember that the ultra-Orthodox society isn't a herd of animals locked behind a gate. The have very similar problems to those of the secular society. Emotionally, we are all human beings and we all want to feel good about our bodies."

Haredi women go under the knife
Young ultra-Orthodox woman enhances her breasts before wedding; 60-year-old gets nose job because 'it's accepted now'. Perceptions of plastic, aesthetic surgeries previously regarded as altering God's creation, are slowly changing in haredi community
Tzofia Hirschfeld • Ynet

Something is happening to our woman of valor. She is no longer satisfied with sewing and selling sheets or with making belts for Canaanites. Even compliments from her husband, sitting with the elders, do not lift her spirits anymore.

Today she knows that when she gets up at night and reaches for the spindle – it will not do any good to her facial skin.

Yes, today's woman of valor wants grace and beauty, and during the International Plastics and Aesthetics Surgery Conference held in Jerusalem, the halacha's different approaches towards plastic surgery were discussed, as well as the growing demand for such surgeries amongst the ultra-Orthodox sector.
 
"Man was created in the image of God, and Judaism puts great emphasis on respecting one's body. This raises the question whether man is allowed to meddle with it," explains Dr. Moshe Fried, one of the only religious plastic surgeons in Israel. "There is a consensus when it comes to health issues that the physician has the authority to heal according to the halacha. Anything having to do with illnesses, traumas, and birth defects – that's not even a question.

"The problem starts when a healthy person sees a doctor and asks him to alter his body for aesthetic reasons. Is a doctor allowed to alter a creature made by God? And is a man permitted to risk his life, go under general anesthesia and then get surgery in order to improve his looks? When we hear the reaction from our patients today, we understand things we didn't understand before – sometimes a person feels he's ugly on the outside, even though others don't see it. He feels he is flawed, and a physical alteration affects his metal status."

Take Prozac, why risk anesthesia?
 
"Surgery has developed a lot around the world. The levels of sophistication and capabilities have grown; surgeries are becoming less and less dangerous. Rabbi Eliezer Yehuda Waldenberg and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein viewed these surgeries as a danger to the patient, and since the Torah forbids man from putting himself at risk for no reason - they prohibited those who didn't need such surgeries from having them. However, there are some rabbis, including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who took the fact that medicine is advancing all the time under consideration into account. They also understood that an aesthetic flaw is no less important than any other physical flaw, like a scar from an accident. Today, one can no longer ignore the fact that how a person feels about himself is very significant, because it affects him deeply."

Due to the fact that Judaism is a big fan of inner beauty, it does not give in quickly to the falsehood of beauty, and religious people, who wish to straighten their wrinkles, get an eye lift or get their stomachs tucked, will always search for an inner justification.

"I met with a lot of people who came to me after consulting with a rabbi, who did permit them to go under the knife, even in concealed areas such as breast enhancement, liposuction and stretching the stomach, for different reasons – including the desire to preserve their marriage," said Dr. Fried. "Haredi couples don't know each other physically before their wedding. I had a couple come to me after the husband found out his wife's body wasn't what he thought it was or wanted. He saw she had a wrinkled and non-feminine chest. They requested a breast enhancement and the rabbi allowed it so they could maintain domestic peace.

"Today I see more fully clothed and covered up women, their brimmed hat and payos (Jewish side-curls) wearing husbands by their side, and they ask for improvements. Young women come here requesting a nose job or an ear alteration so they'll have an easier time finding a match. This woman came to me once for a face lift and also requested I perform a nose job. I asked her why would she want to get a nose job at age 60, and she replied that she's always wanted one but when she was young it wasn't accepted, and now she can finally do it."
 
It too shall pass until the wedding

Chairman of The Israeli Society of Plastic & Aesthetic Surgery Professor Yehuda Ulman said that "family events never legitimize making any significant change to your body among the religious public." But according to him, before a wedding the couple or their relatives see the event as a justified excuse to improve their look.

"A haredi woman came to me once about a month before her wedding and asked for a breast enhancement," said Ulman. "I was very surprised and uncertain whether she should have the surgery a month before the event, but she was very persistent and didn't even hide it from her future husband."

Are there any similarities between religious and haredi surgeries?

"Most of the surgeries have something to do with the family unit, and everything is done in such a way so as to not draw too much attention. There is an understanding today that you can fix the exterior look, and it doesn't contradict the halacha if it's done modestly. In the past, a haredi woman who didn't feel comfortable with herself, would buy a wig worth thousands of shekels but wouldn't dare alter her body. Today they don't look at it as changing their body but rather as improving it, so it has nothing to do with drastically altering what God created, but rather with self improvement. They can make themselves more beautiful and it strengthens their bonds with family and friends.

"Having said that, we must still remember that we're talking about a small percentage of the sector," Ulman stressed, "If there were no haredi patients in the past, then today we have about 2%. The taboo has been removed either way. The haredi public understands that this medicine isn't only intended for sick people, but that it's intended for healthy people too, just like going to see a psychologist."

Dr. Fried summarizes: "We must remember that the ultra-Orthodox society isn't a herd of animals locked behind a gate. The have very similar problems to those of the secular society. Emotionally, we are all human beings and we all want to feel good about our bodies."

Comments

[harold]

Wierd, I never heard that it was forbidden to get a nose job. Where did that come from? I personally know an Orthodox Rabbi that got himself a nose job so I am sure that it is not "forbidden".

It may be vain, but so is buying a Bently.

[nachos]

How are we supposed to answer the who is a Jew question, if Jews can now get nose jobs?

[Hannah @A Mother in Israel]

Breast enhancements affect milk supply since all breast surgery cuts milk ducts and nerves. The less time between the surgery and the pregnancy, the more problems. Having breast surgery right before a haredi wedding is a bad idea.
http://www.amotherinisrael.com/breastfeeding-cosmetic-breast-surgery-israel/

[Pierre]

I remember a Shabbos table where a rebbetzin described the phenomena of girls going for summer vacations and coming back with such nice goyishe noses...I remember the "extreme makeover" show where at one point a couple formed from the show, two young people who had a lot of work done...what about the KIDS from such matches? Hope the society evolves to accomodate them, or at least stop seeing beauty as such as simply vain just because of a posuk in tehillim (despite its obvious celebration elsewhere in Tanach!), and start refine the beauty that isn't altered.

[Yerachmiel Lopin]

Some of these rationalizations for breast enhancement sound like real boob-er maises.

Seriously, once again woman bear the burden of male flaws. These supposedly spiritual men need their potential wives to rise to super model levels.

I thought I would never be shocked at any further deterioration of charedi society. Wrong again!

[WoolSilkCotton]

I thought these folks are all dirt poor and desperate for handouts and donations. Somehow, they can each come up with thousands of dollars for a nose/boob job. Must be miracle from the Aibishter.

"...the ultra-Orthodox society isn't a herd of animals locked behind a gate..."

Correction: "...the ultra-Orthodox society is a herd of animals locked behind a gate..."

[Devorah]

What good is a nice nose and perky breasts without a shower?

[Mr. Apikoros]

Hannah, haredi weddings are inherently a bad idea, as is breeding of haredi offspring.

[yidandahalf]

Nose jobs can fall under the category of phenotypical development, entirely kosher therefore.
I guess you could say the same for boob jobs. Rabbis, Hear ye! Hear Ye!, take this junk science shit and run with it.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Apologies to Yusuf Islam:

I would have given you all of my breast
but there's someone who will make it the best
and he's given me more than I've got
but if you want, I'll try to nurse again
baby I'll try to nurse again but I know

Chorus:
The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest
'cause when it comes to being chesty she's cursed
when it comes to her nose she's worst
but when it comes to being cut she's first
that's how I know

The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest

I still want a smaller nose
just please help me pay the doctor I know
'cause I'm sure gonna look like a "ho"
and if you want, I'll try to get it thin
but bubbeleh, I'll try to get it thin, but I know

The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest

chorus

The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest

[Menachem Mendel lll]

The author failed to mention the primary motivating factor why theses Haredi proletariat Jewess babes seek out cosmetic surgery en masse.

It is a well know fact amongst these mercenaries that in order to gain the advantage against their Jewess peers when it comes scoring an ultra rich Jewish boy in daddy's business cosmetic surgery is mandatory.

Many a bloodsucking opportunist's mother will "invest" their saving in order to give their grown child a shot a the gold ring.

Best rest assured if the boy came without an IDB degree or designation but instead had "a great personality", shockled, studied, was a all round nice guy and didn't have a house, car from Deutschland, investments, real estate, holdings, trust accounts....they wouldn't give him the time of day.

I can only imagine how many Jewesses tried to snag the man Ivanka Trump married.

He is supposedly a frum Jew and she trumped all these Jewess mercenaries at their own game.

Moshiach Uber Alles!

[yidandahalf]

More emphasis should be put on cooch-tightening. It should be mandatory in haredi families after the third child.

[Teddy]

"""Correction: "...the ultra-Orthodox society is a herd of animals locked behind a gate..."""
WSC, are you sure you do not mean: "...the ultra-Orthodox society is a herd of animals not locked behind a gate..."?

[harold]

What good is a nice nose and perky breasts without a shower?

I don't get it?

[WoolSilkCotton]

The rest of us do, Harold. And so do you. Deal with it.

Teddy, I'll accept that variation, too!

[yidandahalf]

With all due respect, WSC, harold is still recuperating from his performance as the Slifkin Brown Bear.

[Pierre]

>I thought these folks are all dirt poor and desperate for handouts and donations..

...2% is "these folks"? That's a percentage, but it's small.

[harold]

The rest of us do

Exactly!

[Mr. Apikoros]

A nose job and bigger boobs ain't gonna help these Haredi Japs.

BTW, the most attractive Jewish woman on the planet never got her boobs enhanced.

[Shtunk]

What many chareidim need even more urgently is brain surgery, which would benefit both the patient as well as the people who come in contact with them.

[David]

Can someone explain the intended audience for these boob jobs? In public, no one is meant to look at them. In private, marital relations are meant to happen in the dark. So when will anyone ever see them?

[Shlomo]

The elephant no one is mentioning is the Shidduch crisis it is difficult for girls to find any shidduch let alone a rich one and from what I hear it is difficult for even modern Orthodox women to find a husband.
Harold I have been to Shiurim which explicitly forbid cosmetic surgery especially for men because of the risk of Pikuach nefesh which I can't relate to, how is this more dangerous (i.e. planned non emergency surgery is extremely safe nowadays) compared to smoking fressing lack of exercise etc

[Rabbi Leib Tropper]

It should go without saying (but I'll say it anyway) that it is a frum woman's religious obligation to submit to a detailed physical examination of her breasts by a qualified rabbi to determine whether she meets the halachic criteria for enhancement surgery.

[Menachem Mendel lll]

This opens the door for Haredi men getting peni enhancements.

MOSHIACH!

[ruthie]

a woman is only as beautiful as the way she feels

i don't let the american beauty machine terrorize me!
i feel beautiful! i think i am beautiful.

[Ann]

That would be me!

BTW... no one said it is a mitzvah to be ugly.

[Ann]

Can someone explain the intended audience for these boob jobs? In public, no one is meant to look at them. In private, marital relations are meant to happen in the dark. So when will anyone ever see them?

WOMEN!!!!
You apparently have never been part of a restricted society???

[WoolSilkCotton]

++yidandahalf | November 24, 2010 at 12:01 PM++

LOL!

[A E ANDERSON]

I can just hear the Beis-Rivka-girls-turned-schnorers outside of 770 begging to fund boob job surgery, like strippers in a cheap lap dance joint. I find this amusing because in my experience, the breasts of 20 year olds are typically jaunty and pert, and haven't usually begun to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous gravity that plague their older sisters sans brassiere.

[Adam Neira]

Further evidence of the breakdown of the petty differences between all the sects.

We are all G-d's children.

[Farshlepte Krenk]

Thanks for the laugh Nachos

[Monsey Hocker]

10 boob jobs and 80 nose jobs later, and the difference between jello and a jewish girl is STILL that at least jello shakes when you eat it.

[Monsey Hocker]

And remember girls, beejays are not sex.

[Menachem Mendel lll]

Monsey Hocker

You forgot to include "Rabbis".

[Ivanka's a fraud]

What's so great about Ivanka? FYI Ivanka is all plastic. She's had a nose job, lips done, cheek implants, botox, boob job etc. The only reason she got married to Jared Kushner is because he's not a practicing Jew. "Frum Jew? More like barely secular Jew. Ivanka's "conversion" is about as phony as her face. She violates the Sabbath, is not kosher, and dresses like a slut. Real Jewish women have nothing to be jealous of!

[jay]

If this is a growing phenomenon among haredi women, it probably means that they're also being targeted by media companies to feel bad about their appearance, and to desire an artificially imposed standard of 'beauty." That's a shame :-/

[WoolSilkCotton]

Ivanka's trust fund more than makes up for the perceived flaws in any of her original equipment that has since been repaired or replaced.

Jewish women, remain jealous!

If you're not going to be orthodox, then why bother with an orthodox conversion? A conversion only has to meet the standards of whoever will be interested. You can convert to Judaism on line, in fact. Have a credit card handy.

Girls who can't find a shidduch will be in for a rude surprise in the Recovery Room when their new boobage and shiksa schnozz will still not land them Mr. Frummer ATM. If you have personality issues, excessive shyness, awkwardness, can't talk to any guy because you were raised in an all-girl world, etc., then don't be surprised when none of that has changed after the bandages come off.
Or maybe it's not you darling, it's Mr. Wrong.

[Sam]

You guys are so pathetic..... hate literally drools from your lips... I feel for you.. no happiness except to hate the frum jew.. ho low can you all go....apparently more than I thought you can....

[Menachem Mendel lll]

Ivanka's a fraud

Next time get the facts before you commment.

Kushner married Ivanka Trump, daughter of Donald Trump, on 25 October, 2009.
Kushner is an observant Jew[5] and Trump had converted to Judaism at the time of the engagement.

Source http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/22/ivanka-trump-and-jared-ku_n_114321.html

[ruthie]

i grew up with the kushners. very very nice people. orthodox on the big issues.
they may not keep shabbos...oh! and that makes them not orthodox. yom kippur, rosh hashannah, pesach, simchat torah ..they are fiercely jewish.
like in normal poland jewish with american jewish sprinkled in.
not retarded monsey orthodox.

[Ivanka is a fraud]

That is your rebuttal? Basically stating that Jared Kuhsner and Ivanka Trump got married? What a joke! Jared is not an observant Jew by a long-shot! Ivanka had a fraudulent express "conversion" just to appease Jared Kushner's mother. She's about as Jewish as the Pope. Mr. Lookstein, the phony Rabbi, got paid off big time.

Ivanka violates the Sabbath, doesn't keep kosher, and dresses like a slut. Those are the facts!

[Ivanka is a fraud]

The only one that is retarded is you ruthie. You sound like an idiot! The Kushner's are not as Orthodox as you think. They are criminals and they knew that Ivanka's "conversion" was as phony as her boobs. They are frauds too!

[WoolSilkCotton]

'Ivanka is a fraud',

When you get a chance, take a trip away from your ghetto and visit the real world. Lots of interesting stuff out there for you to see!

99.99% of Jews are not as whacked out about the religion as you are.

They live and let live, and don't look down their noses at people who are not exactly the same as they are. It's ok to be different, even a different religion. G-d doesn't get that excited about what religion you are and how religious a person is or isn't.

The traditional Jews of pre-war Poland would be hated and berated by you and your fellow Monsey mental midgets. You obviously know nothing about the Jews of previous generations.

How religious the Kushners are is nobody's concern. What Ivanka does on Saturday, what she eats (and it obviously ain't greasy kugel and herring in cream sauce) and what she wears is none of your damn business.

Your attire, that makes you look like you're auditioning for an off-off Broadway Fiddler revival, is not pleasing to G-d.

Ivanka's wardrobe? The Lord, for sure, is pleased!

Take a good look in the mirror, dahling. You ain't no Ivanka, and no amount of 'converting' would make you one, either.

[Mr. Apikoros]

Hey, "Ivanka is a Fraud," I'm violating the Sabbath as I'm writing this on Saturday morning while I'm eating my BLT. So I guess I'm about as Jewish as the Pope, too. Not that I have a problem with this pope, nor with the last one, either.

But I definitely have major issues with so-called "Jews" who berate other Jews (including Ivanka Trump) for not being observant enough to suit them and their narrow minds.

As for Ivanka's boobs, I've never seen them up close and personal, but maybe one day God will grant me that observation.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Mr. A, feast your eyes:

http://oliverwillis.com/livenews/img/ivankatrump.jpg

Now, compare to a photo of Ms. 'Ivanka is a Fraud':

http://www.poncacitynews.com/images/
ique/0509/images/fiddler.jpg

[Ivanka is a fraud]

The idiot anti-semitic shiksa worshippers are back. How much does Ivanka pay you losers to defend her phoniness? Hey Mr. A Ivanka is not a Jew. I'm actually berating a gentile who knows pretends to be a Jew, like you?
I wouldn't want to look like Ivanka. What woman wants to look look like a plastic weird-looking transexual? I'm actually a lot better-looking than that creature. I'm also a secular Jew who dresses in jeans, dumbass. I grew up traveling around the world unlike you who hasn't got on plane in probably 20 years.

I don't give a shit what Ivanka eats or wears. I do care when a tramp disrespects my heritage so publicly. Got it? Can your little minds process that? You idiots know Ivanka is about as Jewish as the Pope but you just want to start an argument.

You hate Orhtodox Jews so much then why don't you become good little Christians, like your mother, or Muslims and go away. Orthodox Jews are saving the Jewish community from extinction and even a secular Jews know that. Merry christmas, gentile worshippers!