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October 04, 2010

Rabbi Says It's Kosher To Have Sex With The Enemy To Further Israel's Security

Spy-vs-spy A new halakhic study concludes it is a mitzvah for Israeli spies to have sex with terrorists to further Israel's security.

Rabbi okays Mossad sleeping with the enemy to advance state purposes
Akiva Novick • Yediot Achranot
Translation: Didi Remez • Coteret.com
 
Spy-vs-spy For the attention of “Cindy,” the Mossad agent who seduced the atomic spy, Mordechai Vanunu: a new Halachic study has established that it is a mitzvah to have sex with a terrorist for operational purposes. The new study establishes guidelines on this issue. For example, if the agent is a married woman, “it would be best for her husband to divorce her before, and after the act he will be entitled to take her back.”
 
The title of the study is “Illicit Sex for the Sake of National Security,” and it appears in the new edition of Tehumin, an annual publication of Halachic studies on issues that pertain to the interface between religion and modernity -- Kashrut, the army, the economy and so forth. The periodical is published by the Tzomet Institute in the Etzion Bloc, and which is identified with the Religious Zionist movement.  The article was written by Rabbi Ari Shvat, a teacher of Jewish studies. Rabbi Shvat published in this case a guidebook, so to speak, for the woman Mossad agent who serves as a seductress and is forced to sleep with dangerous terrorists either in order to obtain vital information or to bring about their capture. This is known in professional jargon as setting a “honey trap,” and it was used in the Vanunu case as well as, according to foreign reports, in the assassination of the terrorist Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai last January.
 
Rabbi Shvat addressed in his study past instances of Jewish seductresses, such as Queen Esther (who slept with Ahasueras, the king of Persia, in order to help the Jews) and Yael, the wife of Hever, (who tradition suggests slept with the enemy chief of staff, Sisra, in order to tire him and to cut off his head). It turns out that a fierce debate raged in the Gemara about such significant questions. The conclusion drawn by the Gemara was that if having sex with a gentile is crucial for advancing an important national purpose, it is even to be considered a mitzvah to do so.
  
“Of course, one ought to prefer an unmarried agent for a honey trap mission,” wrote Rabbi Shvat, “but if it is necessary to use a married woman it would be best… were her husband to divorce her with a get, and after the act he would be entitled to bring her back.” In order to help the couple avoid the discomfiture of having to go to the rabbinate each time, Rabbi Shvat has authorized the couple to be divorced in writing so that the matter does not become public. If the couple doesn’t have an opportunity to divorce prior to his wife leaving on the mission, her husband is obliged to divorce her after the fact since, according to Halacha, she betrayed him, even if it was for the sake of an important national mission.
 
Any woman who is thinking about applying for the job needs to take into account that she won’t be able to marry a Cohen, but the author of the study seems to realize that that isn’t what is going prevent women from enlisting into the Mossad ranks or, as the article put it: “Naturally, a job of that sort could be given to a woman who in any event is licentious in her ways.”
 
In conclusion, Rabbi Shvat wrote: “Not only is it permissible but the sages raise that action of devotion to the top of the pyramid of Halachic priorities as the most important mitzvah of all.”
 
The director of Tzomet and the chief editor of Tehumin, Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, praised the new study as daring and important. “Despite the fact that women employees of the Mossad are probably not going to come consult with a rabbi, it is an important connection that requires courage to make.”

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The director of Tzomet and the chief editor of Tehumin, Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, praised the new study as daring and important.

Um, why?

But it is not a mitzvah for Haredi to server in the IDF? I don't get it sometimes.

Now that we have a "new" halakhic study concluding it is a mitzvah for Israeli spies to have sex with terrorists to further Israel's security I look forward to reading about handsome chiseled Mossad agents a la James Bond penetrating and gang banging fat'n hairy Arab homosexuals terrorists that are covered in lice. That, is a "mitzvah!

OTOH, when it comes to fornicating to die for uber hot, thin beautiful young female "terrorists" who are just begging to "do it" hours on end while champagne on ice and caviar gets delivered by the Waldof's room service, I have no doubt that these brave and not so brave Yiddelah are willing forgo The Halackhic Seal Of Approval aka HSOA to get the "job" done for security and country.

Sort of like allowing a Doctor to violate shabbos if their job demands it of them. My son-in-law is doing his residency and he must come in on many shabbosim and yom tovim.

Harold,

Isn't it Shabatot??? Shabbat is a queen, and therefore should be feminine. Shabosim is the masculine. Can anyone who knows his/her grammer help me out here (Those looking to cull favor by insulting Harold need not apply).

Yankele:
You are, of course, correct. However, the usage "Shabbosim" has it's source in Yiddish, and is still commonly used by many people.

No way would I allow my honey to become a honey-pot for the corrupt government!

I dunno, I personally would rather kill Hezbollah operatives than have sex with them. But that's just me.

So, one can not engage the enemy
but it would be okay to marry an allie ?

Any good looking enemies out there?

I dunno, I personally would rather kill Hezbollah operatives than have sex with them. But that's just me.

Now you have a heterim to have sex with them AND then kill them!

Make that

Now you have heterim to have sex with them AND then kill them!

deer mosad,
eteched pliz faynd may rezumey. becos i am now tink eet eez taym far me two mek ah parnoosah, ay em biyezrasishem eplaying far de pazishun av eh spay.
tenk yu,

pee ehs...ay no ay vill mek eh veri good spay becus ay hev latse ekpeeriunce. ay ken naht geev yu refrenceez naht onli becus eet vood be loshinorih. nobadi eevn nose vat ay deed vitch proovz ayem zo kvalifayd far dees djab.

Does this include lesbian sex? Are there any instructional videos available?

Has no one ever heard of Judith in the chanuka story.
Or yael and sisra.
This was always common practice called
'aveiro lishmo'.

Wow harold, I thought even you might have trouble stomaching this one. Guess not.

By the way, I was told doctors were supposed to (and frequently did) make arrangements so as to avoid working on Shabbos.

Apologies to Johnny Rivers:

There's a Yid who leads a life of danger
To every spy he meets he acts much stranger
With every halacha he breaks another heter he takes
Odds are he won't live to see next Shabbos

Secret agent Yid, secret agent Yid
They've given you a heter and taken away your shame

Beware of pretty faces that you shtup
A pretty face can hide a Goyishe kup
Ah, be careful where you pray
Or you'll give yourself away
Odds are you won't live to see next Shabbos

Secret agent Yid, secret agent Yid
They've given you a heter and taken away your shame

[Lead guitar]

Secret agent Yid, secret agent Yid
They've given you a heter and taken away your shame

Learnin' at the Bet Midrash one day
And then layin' in the Monsey alley next day
Oy vey, you let loshon harah slip
While kissing persuasive lips
The odds are you won't live to see next Shabbos

Secret agent Yid, secret agent Yid
They've given you a heter and taken away your shame

Secret agent Yid

War requires things which we would condemn any other time. If we countenance killing thousands of people and destroying their cities why do we rebel at the much less horrible crime of fornication?

WHAT A LOAD COBBLERS

WHAT A LOAD
OF COBBLERS

WHAT A LOAD OF COBBLERS

Oh honey? I need a quickie divorce so I can shtup Nasrallah. See you in three weeks for the wedding.

:-P

Can anyone who knows his/her grammer help me out here

Kelsey Grammer? Ha, ha only serious. I think you meant grammar

The thing is, there are some things we don't do even to save a life- sexual immorality or idolatry being among them. I wonder if he would allow a man to have sex with a male enemy for security's sake or even an enemy woman. Could it be that to some extent he sees women as objects, perhaps.

In jargon-influenced ashkinazis Hebrew they say "Shabbosim, taleisim." In fine, modern Hebrew we say "Shabbatot, talitot."

YL: Johnny Rivers sang "Secret Asian Man." Really. Listen closely.

Using sex to get information or power in an espionage operation should remain only in James Bond movies. The various spy agencies should move on. Honey traps prey on the very powerful primordial energy of a target. Righteous people are able to avoid such entanglements. Like the spy versus spy comic strip all the various agencies like Mossad, CIA, MI5, ASIO, DGSE, etc. watch each other and play their little games. At the end of the day they should all realise that G-d is the ultimate watcher. He keeps a tab on the merit and demerit points of all the nations and their agencies around the world. The win-lose paradigm of international affairs must be transcended.

At the end of the day they should all realise that G-d is the ultimate watcher.

Though, presumably, if they really believed this, they would not be in the spy trade, no?

OCR: Is he secretly Asian, and just "passing?"

If having sex is more horrible than killing you're really screwed up

By the way, I was told doctors were supposed to (and frequently did) make arrangements so as to avoid working on Shabbos

He would if he could. As an intern or resident you have no clout. Bottom of the barrel. My son-in-law even had to work one day Rosh Hashana. All the other Jewish doctors took off. Three days succos - in your dreams!

I hereby designate Julia Roberts an enemy of the State of Israel.

To Mr.Apikoros...

With your reasoning the list of potential enemies of the State of Israel is about to grow exponentially. You will need to set up a website to handle the demand.

I hereby designate Jessica Alba an enemy of the State of Israel.

You mean you only want VISIBLE women in Israel, Apikoros?

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