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October 28, 2010

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Sarah

hope is here:
Good evening and how are you?
You sound like a nice person.
Listen.
In Chassidic communities across the world the introduction to married life begins something like this.
A teenage girl with no or limited knowledge of sex is introduced to a teenage boy with same.
They speak or not for an hour or more.
In a month they have a big party where they both wear pretty clothes.
After the party they are both raped by each other.
The girl is soon told never to resist the
husband as he will take his insatiable desires elsewhere.
'Just be bittul, that is what you were created for'.
The girl is raped regularly.
Her shoes, clothes, way she walks and tone of her voice are all moderated to what her husband wants.
There is no such word as 'no' anymore.
In five years time she'll discover her husband's secret porn stash.
In ten years she'll know he has a regular at the brothel downtown.
She lives. She's alive.
Problem is she has no desire to wake up anymore.
If this does not describe anyone you know, kol hakavod.
Child abuse is not the beginning of the problem, it is the smoke above a city that's burning.

Joe Izrael

Is Gavriel Fagen related to Donald Fagen?

Mr. Apikoros

This, of course, makes them both guilty as charged in the kangaroo court of Scotty Rosenberg.

Anon.

Can some one please elaborate on the allegations against Dr. Pelcovitz. I know several people, both askunim and mental health professionals who advocate for victims and advocate for police involvement who think very highly of him.

Does any one have any specific knowledge other than, 'he consulted for Ohel,' 'he once worked for Ohel' etc.

hope is here

REALITY CHECK
the recent action and resistance by the rabbis haver energized the community in a major revolt and has empowered the victims to come forward as never before.mandel and pelcowitz are totaly irrelevant.There are approxmitly 3 arrests weekly in brooklyn alone.the recent unity rally in brooklyn by the jewish board of advocates and other activisits like rabbi nuchem rosenberg,hirch,appel and others have thrown a fire at those who protect molestors,Only more arrests and the people will win this battle and we will

Sarah

Speaking of the Bostoner Rebbe and child abuse..........
Coincidentally enough, I have just read a comment on the Unpious.com blog by someone involving the aforementioned Rebbe and his bizarre advice to someone relating cases of abuse.
This is a quote.

'Regarding the subject of violence amongst Chasidim I have witnessed my fair share.
I went to a frum day school of about five hundred students.
In my class alone, I know of six students who were physically and/or sexually abused.
By the age of twenty one I had found out about so many cases of child abuse in my community involving both boys and girls that I knew I would have to actually confront the Rabanim who had been in charge or leave altogether.
100% of the people I spoke to, including a Rosh Yeshiva,School Principals, teachers, Rebetzens etc, basically the most prominent members of my community, told me in answer that ‘Kibud av ve’em’ overrides all other suspicions of wrong doing.
I even spoke to a Rebbe visiting my city at the time, the Bostoner Rebbe, who answered me after I recounted to him the horrors of specific incidents of child abuse with,”Tell the parents of those children affected to drink peppermint tea, it calms the nerves.”
I was sickened beyond belief and left the community for good a month later.

That Chassidic disregard for secular law that you mentioned has somehow evolved or rather devolved over several centuries into an actual disregard for the fundementals of right and wrong.
If it is possible for an entire Chassidic community to justify to themselves that not only violence but the ultimate act of evil that is child abuse is somehow not an ‘aveira’ then seriously the entire core of that belief system has become rotten.
The Chassidic philosophy as a lifestyle with no moral compass is meaningless but that is exactly what the Chassidic world has become.'

Mr. Apikoros

Or, perhaps I should say, "That's just Scotty being Scotty."

Mr. Apikoros

Just another example of Scotty going off the deep end.

Tannenbaum

Buddy, you have your head way up your ass.

Shmarya

Really? Why don't you post it on your website?

Moron. I have.

In fact, the article posted above mentions some of them.

Tannenbaum

Really? Why don't you post it on your website? Why not challenge any of your targets to a debate in a public forum, and show that you are something more than a petty, petulant insecure child who can't get over rejection by "the Rebbe"' of your brilliant Ethiopian proposal, and general lack of success in life, hiding behind his computer screen peddling heresay, rumor and libel and calumny, with some modicum of truth thrown in?

Shmarya

If you believe they committed crimes, and have knowledge of real evidence to back it up, I encourage you to contact law enforcement and have them launch an investigation.

There is evidence and law enforcement has been notified.

And, hopefully, there will be indictments.

Tannenbaum

If you believe they committed crimes, and have knowledge of real evidence to back it up, I encourage you to contact law enforcement and have them launch an investigation. If you don't, why would you convict them in the court of Rosenberg and decree that they should be in jail?

Shmarya

Hmm. I wonder why we bother with the whole legal system - arrests, trials, etc... Rosenberg seems to know who belongs in jail just by hearing about what's in a book, let alone reading it. What a talent.

Not too bright, I see, and you have a reading comprehension problem as well.

What I was clearly referring to was their years of covering up sexual abuse.

Idiot.

Tannenbaum

"But Mandel and Pelcovitz don't belong on a book tour, they belong in federal prison. Maybe one day soon they'll get there."
Hmm. I wonder why we bother with the whole legal system - arrests, trials, etc... Rosenberg seems to know who belongs in jail just by hearing about what's in a book, let alone reading it. What a talent.

Bassy the Haredi Slayer

If Mr. Rosenberg doesn't like him, then all the better!
It's the little kids who were raped and abused because Pelcovitz did not call the police that you should be worried about.
But, as always, you're far too selfish and far too stupid to care.


This is the difference between Harold and Archie Bunker, Bunker is obiously a learned man with sometimes his heart in the right place but he is very mean and vicious, Harold on the other hand is very nice but he is a savage idiot.

CHAIM

http://www.zshare.net/video/82087165b9415f24/

http://www.zshare.net/video/82100936c1bbeaa7/
DAVID MANDEL KNOWS BETTER THEN US ALL

steve

The speeches from the Boro Park event are on You Tube. The Bostoner Rebbe evidently didn't show up.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheVinVid

Yerachmiel Lopin

The walls are starting to fall. Mandel and Ohel deserve very little of the credit.

According to this article Mandel advises keeping the sexual predators inside the community.“We’re better off knowing who he is where he is and surrounding that information with as many safeguards as we can,”

This contradicts his claim that he wants to rely on the criminal justice system which, as Mandel knows fully well, uses incarceration as an important way of protecting kids. Is Mandel claiming that folks who are not incarcerated and on sex offender registries are assigned 24/7 mashgichei temimim? I think not.

Meanwhile, Pelcovitz is ridiculous enough to credit the example of the new "openness" of the Catholic Church. As far as I can tell, the church is always a day late and a dollar short. They make a show of public regret when they are caught but they are still covering up all sorts of things including actions by the pope to return molesting priests to work with children.

According to the article Mandel says "The fact that most perpetrators are not in jail is not a Jewish phenomenon,” He advises keeping the sexual predators inside the community.

Well, Ohel has certainly done a lot to keep sexual predators in the community. And by the way, it is a Jewish phenomenon that so few cases of molesting get reported to the police and that entire communities turn on and torture those who do go to the police.

Not having seen the book, I cannot judge it in its entirety. It is an edited volume and there may very well be some excellent chapters. In fact Pelcovits himself may have shared some useful information.

However, if the statements in this article are indicative of the book, I am sure that it is an advertisement for Ohel and I am sure it does not warn the public about the serious problems with Ohel then and now.

insider

Boro Park had a public seminar on child abuse. Hundreds of people attended. Nachum Rosenberg, villified for his public battle against child abuse, was honored for his efforts. Speakers included the Bostoner Rebbe of Brooklyn as well as Dov Hikind. The walls are truly starting to fall.

Joe

Great movie. Ironically, it was made by Krauts.

Adam Neira

Like the Walls of Jericho it takes time and concerted effort to break down the fortress of denial. We are well on our way in the second decade of the Twenty First Century but there is still a long way to go. Any Jewish group working sincerely on this problem is to be commended. We all have to try and defeat "The Nothing".

P.S. If readers have not seen "The Neverending Story” I suggest they do so.

steve

Mandel is an overpaid buffoon. The idiot parades around as some kind of "expert" regarding child sexual abuse. Meanwhile, he doesn't hold any psychology degrees. The only experience he has in the field is doing a good job in covering up for child molesters. His speech in Baltimore where he told parents "there is no need to involve the police (if your child is abused)", was a real winner. His participation at the Torah Temimah 2006 Kolko conference where he stated that child molesters can be cured and be reinstated as teachers was another gem. This man is dangerous and like Shmarya states, he should be locked up in jail rather than going on book tours and speaking engagements.

Shmarya

If Mr. Rosenberg doesn't like him, then all the better!

It's the little kids who were raped and abused because Pelcovitz did not call the police that you should be worried about.

But, as always, you're far too selfish and far too stupid to care.

harold

I have heard Dr. Pelcovitz speak on many occasions. A real nice and intelligent guy who gives of himself to help others. If Mr. Rosenberg doesn't like him, then all the better!

jochanan

"Hardei community" ≠ "Jewish Community" kthxbye

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