Racist Chabad Rabbi Tells Israel's Rabbis Don't Be Afraid, Join Me

Head of Yitzhar's Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, who was arrested and questioned last week on suspicion of incitement to violence against non-Jews, today urged his fellow rabbis to join him and express halakha's stance on the "ethics of war."

Shapira to rabbis: Don't be afraid, join me
Rabbi arrested over book that covers [his] halachic perspective on violence against non-Jews urges colleagues not to fear establishment, to keep expressing Halacha's war ethics
Kobi Nahshoni • Ynet

Head of Yitzhar's Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, who was arrested and questioned last week on suspicion of incitement to violence against non-Jews, commented on the incident for the first time in the press on Sunday, and urged his fellow rabbis to join him and express the Halacha's stance on the "ethics of war".
 
The alleged incitement is found in Yitzhar's book, "Torat Hamelech", in which he presented a halachic perspective on the killing of gentiles. On Sunday, the rabbi said, "Despite the establishment's picking on anyone who publishes a Torah opinion in the matter, we must not be afraid."

In an open letter published in the rightist-religious newspaper B'Sheva, Shapira wrote, "I am assuming that everyone admits that the war ethics currently guiding the establishment do not match what the Torah teaches." He gave as an example the prosecution of soldiers and officers "for battling Israel's enemies".

Shapira addressed rabbis whose students serve in the Israel Defense Forces and are "risking their lives" 'in the war against the enemy, and urged them to teach and publish their viewpoints in order to give these soldiers "the power of the Torah". According to the rabbi, "We cannot remain silent when people who risk their lives in the war on Israel's enemies are put on trial for it."

Shapira backed by Yitzhar Yeshiva president

According to Rabbi Shapira, his controversial composition deals with the question of "how to behave at a time of war according to the Torah" and does not talk about murdering gentiles for no reason. In support of his position, Shapira quoted a text given to him by Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg [sic] [Ginsburgh, the notorious author of a book praising mass murderer Baruch Goldstein, was arrested late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians – curiously, Ynet omits this information – Shmarya], president of the Yitzhar yeshiva, and one of the Hilltop Youth rabbis, which appears the start of his book.
 
"These issues are very relevant to our current situation in the Land of Israel, and we must immediately conquer our enemies," Rabbi Ginsburg wrote. "In order to act appropriately, in the spirit of the Torah and in order to strengthen the spirit of the people and its soldiers, deep reflection on the Torah is required."

Last week dozens of rabbis and Religious Zionist public figures issued a condemnation against the rabbi's arrest, and said he was only "expressing a Halachic opinion". They also protested the way his arrest was carried out – in the middle of the night by dozens of police officers.

Bet El Rabbi Shlomo Aviner on Sunday told Ynet that the book "Torat Hamelech" is an "academic halachic work, an educational piece" and there is no justification to send its author to prison. Nonetheless, the rabbi stressed that he opposes the opinions expressed in the book, and said, "I don't think its right to write various rulings about killing a gentile, just like a Swede wouldn't write a book about killing a Norwegian." He added, "Obviously, it is wrong to kill gentiles for no reason, and of course, in wartime the IDF is permitted to defend itself against anyone who shoots – even if it is a 'good' person."

Even head of the Tzohar organization, Rabbi David Stav, known as one o the moderate forces within Religious Zionism, condemned Shapira's arrest: "Regardless of the level of halachic legitimacy of his opinions, it is unreasonable and illogical that a rabbi in Israel be treated like the worst of criminals. For some reason, they are treating him in a way they would not dare treat public officials or even Palestinians."

Comments

[WoolSilkCotton]

Again with the oversized hat that doesn't fit right.

[Yisroel Pensack]

[Ginsburgh...was arrest [sic] late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians – curiously, Ynet omits this information – Shmarya]

Probably the main reason they omitted it is because you just made it up.

[Shmarya]

[Ginsburgh...was arrest [sic] late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians – curiously, Ynet omits this information – Shmarya]

Probably the main reason they omitted it is because you just made it up.

The main reason, Pensack, I can't explain. Perhaps it's just sloppiness on Ynet's part.

As for me "making it up," see this story from July 29, 2010 announcing Ginsburgh's arrest:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2010/07/second-chabad-rabbi-arrested-over-book-calling-for-murder-of-arab-civilians-567.html

And when you're done reading it, apologize.

[Yisroel Pensack]

Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 02:40 PM

You are a delusional liar. You wrote above, "Ginsburgh...was arrested late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians..."

Last week's Ha'aretz article said:
The police's Unit of International Crime Investigations on Thursday detained rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, the president of the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar in connection to a book that condoned the killing of non-Jews.

Ginsburg was detained for questioning days after the alleged author of the book, rabbi Yitzhak Shapira was arrested for inciting to violence. Shapira is also a rabbi at the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva...

Ginsburg, who recommended the book to his students, is a follower of Chabad. He has faced prosecution in the past for incitement to racism after having published a book insisting that there is no place for Arabs in the state of Israel. The charges were dropped after Ginsburg issued a clarification letter.

Ginsburg is a well known radical in his views on Israel's Arab public. The police declined to comment on the ongoing investigation against him...

Your version of the Ha'aretz headline and subhead on that article said:
"Police detain second rabbi in connection to book condoning murder
Head of yeshiva in West Bank settlement of Yitzhar recommended book permitting murder of non-Jews who threaten Israel."

That Ha'aretz headline, as delusional as it is, does not say, "Ginsburgh...was arrested...for incitement to murder Arab civilians." Nor does the Ha'aretz article. Ergo, you made it up. That makes you a liar.

Ha'aretz itself now has a different headline on that article, which says, "Book condoning murder has another rabbi in hot water..."

[Shmarya]

You are a delusional liar.… Ergo, you made it up. That makes you a liar.

Pensack, you a racist delusional obnoxious idiot.

Try to process:

1. Shapira was arrested for incitement to murder Arab civilians.

2. The basis for that arrest is his book.

3. That book is largely based on Ginsburh's views, and Ginsburgh is Shapira's mentor. He also wrote an endorsement of the book.

4. Police arrested Ginsburgh in connection with that book and Shapira's arrest – in other words, for incitement to murder Arab civilians.

5. Why incitement to murder Arab civilians? Because that is what the book is about.

6. "Ergo" Yisroel Pensack is a moron.

Got that?

[A E ANDERSON]

Shapira sounds about as moderate and peace-loving as Lenin. He and Ginsburgh are the hardi-settler version of bolshevists and they should restrained from promoting their hate before their hoped -for violence comes to fruition. I think it's really just a question of jail or the psych ward for these guys who are crying "fire" in the overcrowded theatre that is the West Bank.

[Spherical Thinking]

Shmarya, Shmarya, Shmarya, Shmarya,

Chill out. Once again you're engaging in a dogfight over semantics because you fail to appreciate a social/political context that varies from that with which you're familiar. In Israel one does not have to be arrested for a crime. One can be arrested for questioning, no suspicion of wrongdoing is required. Ginsburg was arrested for questioning.

[Shmarya]

Chill out. Once again you're engaging in a dogfight over semantics because you fail to appreciate a social/political context that varies from that with which you're familiar. In Israel one does not have to be arrested for a crime. One can be arrested for questioning, no suspicion of wrongdoing is required. Ginsburg was arrested for questioning.

And the questioning was about incitement to kill Arab civilians.

[Yisroel Pensack]

...4. Police arrested Ginsburgh in connection with that book and Shapira's arrest – in other words, for incitement to murder Arab civilians.

5. Why incitement to murder Arab civilians? Because that is what the book is about.

...Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 03:34 PM

You simply make things up as you go along to suit your purposes.

Only a deceitful, determined propagandist could "reason" like this: "...in other words, for incitement to murder Arab civilians."

Your are an untrustworthy liar and a propagandist, and your readers should keep that in mind with regard to anything and everything you write on any subject. I certainly will from now on.

You are a left-wing Joe McCarthy -- a dangerous liar.

[Gladys]

I appreciate Shapira's honesty, and the very active defense by the rabbonim throughout Israel of Shapira and his scholarly book.

Too long has Am Yisroel been afraid to honestly pass Halacha -- true Halacha -- on to its children.

The creation of a free and independent Jewish-controlled land has at last permitted the rabbonim to again teach what has always been in their hearts and minds, but has not been on their lips for hundreds of years.

There will always be some with a galut mentality, living in Exile and afraid of what the goyim will say. They will denounce Shapira. Yet even they know they cannot challenge the halacha of war as Shapira has recited it, for he is correct.

[Shmarya]

Only a deceitful, determined propagandist could "reason" like this: "...in other words, for incitement to murder Arab civilians."

Your are an untrustworthy liar and a propagandist, and your readers should keep that in mind with regard to anything and everything you write on any subject. I certainly will from now on.

You are a left-wing Joe McCarthy -- a dangerous liar.

Pensack, you're are clearly deranged.

Shapira was arrested for a specific crime – incitement to murder non-Jews.

Ginsburgh was arrested for his endorsement of and support for Shapira's alleged crime.

If this is really too difficult for you to grasp, consider getting professional help.

[Spherical Thinking]

Shmarya,
First of all let me clarify my opinion on Ginsburg and Shapira. A pox on both their houses.

Yes, the questioning was about incitement. Whose? Ginsburg's? Shapira's? Both? You have no way of knowing who the questioning was about in particular. The responsible thing to say is 'arrested for questioning.'

[Yisroel Pensack]

Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 04:40 PM

Nowhere does the Ha'aretz article you cite as the source for your assertion that "Ginsburgh...was arrested late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians" make that statement; only you say it -- not the article.

The article you cited said, "Ginsburg[h] was detained for questioning days after the alleged author of the book, rabbi Yitzhak Shapira was arrested for inciting to violence."

You now falsely assert: "Ginsburgh was arrested for his endorsement of and support for Shapira's alleged crime."

You probably should seek psychiatric help.

You don't by any chance think you're the messiah, do you?

[Shmarya]

Yes, the questioning was about incitement. Whose? Ginsburg's? Shapira's? Both? You have no way of knowing who the questioning was about in particular. The responsible thing to say is 'arrested for questioning.'

He ENDORSED the book that contains the incitement, and the book is based on HIS teachings.

The responsible thing is to say that, and to make clear as I have that Ginsburgh was arrest for his role in the alleged incitement to murder Arabs.

[Shmarya]

Nowhere does the Ha'aretz article you cite as the source for your assertion that "Ginsburgh...was arrested late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians" make that statement; only you say it -- not the article.

The article you cited said, "Ginsburg[h] was detained for questioning days after the alleged author of the book, rabbi Yitzhak Shapira was arrested for inciting to violence."

You now falsely assert: "Ginsburgh was arrested for his endorsement of and support for Shapira's alleged crime."

You probably should seek psychiatric help.

He was arrest with regard to the book and Shapira, which means he was arrested with regard to incitement to kill Arab civilians.

But you, the great racist, can't even process simple facts.

Pull your head out of Kahane's ass and look around. You might learn something.

[Menachem Mendel lll]

Hitler also said "JOIN ME".

Men such as him help "prove" to the world that everything they have read and heard about the dirty filthy JEW is infact true.

That the JEW is nothing more than a blood thirsty savage who is hell bent on controlling the world.

Men such as Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, Rubashkin, Rothstein, Milken, Madoff et al make me at times wish I was born anything but a Jew.

Lucky for me that I was personally given a neshuma and therefore share a common bond with these Hebraic Judaic animals, my so called brothers.

[Yisroel Pensack]

...He was arrest with regard to the book and Shapira, which means he was arrested with regard to incitement to kill Arab civilians...

Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 05:05 PM

Here's what the article you cited as your source says:

"The police's Unit of International Crime Investigations on Thursday detained rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, the president of the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar in connection to a book that condoned the killing of non-Jews.

Ginsburg was detained for questioning days after the alleged author of the book, rabbi Yitzhak Shapira was arrested for inciting to violence. Shapira is also a rabbi at the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva...

Ginsburg, who recommended the book to his students, is a follower of Chabad...

Ginsburg is a well known radical in his views on Israel's Arab public. The police declined to comment on the ongoing investigation against him.

You make things up as you go along. Your "reporting" is based on your own "conclusions" rather than what the police actually announced so far.

You are a foul-mouthed liar and deserve no respect in the Jewish world.

I can see why you attract foul-mouthed commenters to this site.

[Shmarya]

You make things up as you go along. Your "reporting" is based on your own "conclusions" rather than what the police actually announced so far.

You are a foul-mouthed liar and deserve no respect in the Jewish world.

I can see why you attract foul-mouthed commenters to this site.

You hurl names at everyone who disagrees with you and have for years.

And you have an autistic-like way of ignoring the big and middle picture and focusing on small details that you quite often misunderstand.

Ginsburgh was arrested because he distributed, endorsed and promoted a book police believe contains incitement to murder Arab civilians.

There is no argument about this, just as there is no argument that Shapira based his book on GHinsburgh's teachings.

[Spherical Thinking]

The fact that Ginsburg was only detained for questioning vs. Shapira's arrest for an actual crime seems to indicate that the police have a less than stellar case against him.

And let it be noted, your original statement was "Ginsburgh,... was arrested late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians." That has now changed to "was arrested because... "

Why can't you just admit that despite the fact that Ginsburg is contemptible, you were in error when you said he was arrested for committing a crime? Neither the Pope, nor Rubashkin, nor the Rebbe, nor even Shmarya is infallible.

[Shmarya]

The fact that Ginsburg was only detained for questioning vs. Shapira's arrest for an actual crime seems to indicate that the police have a less than stellar case against him.

Not at all. Both were technically arrested for questioning. In Israel that usually means the police have enough evidence to get an indictment. But the indictment depends on the AG.

Why can't you just admit that despite the fact that Ginsburg is contemptible, you were in error when you said he was arrested for committing a crime? Neither the Pope, nor Rubashkin, nor the Rebbe, nor even Shmarya is infallible.

Of course I make mistakes. Everyone does.

But to say Ginsburgh was not arrested due to alleged incitement to commit violence and murder of Arab civilians is false.

[Yisroel Pensack]

...to say Ginsburgh was not arrested due to alleged incitement to commit violence and murder of Arab civilians is false.

Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 06:25 PM

Your original assertion in the article above was "Ginsburgh...was arrested late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians." That is apparently based only on your own "conclusion" rather than any official announcement to that effect.

[Shmarya]

Your original assertion in the article above was "Ginsburgh...was arrested late last week for incitement to murder Arab civilians." That is apparently based only on your own "conclusion" rather than any official announcement to that effect.

I realize this is very difficult for you to grasp, but I'll try one more time.

The police said Ginsburgh was arrested because of his connection to the book, including handing it out to his students.

There are only two ways a book can be illegal in Israel. 1) National security issues and 2) incitement.

Since the book's author was arrested earlier last week for incitement to violence and murder against Arab civilians, and since the book contains no national security secrets, that leaves no other choice but an arrest for incitement to do violence against and murder Arab civilians.

If this very self evident fact is too difficult for you to grasp, do what I suggested earlier.

[Yisroel Pensack]

...But you, the great racist, can't even process simple facts.

Pull your head out of Kahane's ass and look around. You might learn something.

Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 05:05 PM

...You hurl names at everyone who disagrees with you and have for years.

And you have an autistic-like way of ignoring the big and middle picture and focusing on small details that you quite often misunderstand...

Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 05:53 PM

[Shmarya]

And you whine like a small baby when anyone dares to point out your failings, or when anyone responds to your name calling with venom.

You're an intellectual infant, Pensack, and I mean that in the legal definition of the term.

[Yisroel Pensack]

Shmarya: You're obviously a mature intellectual and a former Torah scholar. As such, you've probably heard of the original deceitful venomous creature that you very much resemble.

[Tonda]

It's absolutely amazing the number of people upset about the misuse of a word, instead of he misuse of a religion.

Maybe I should play semantical games, too.

A Rabbi endorses the sacrifice of babies.
His followers endorse him.
Other members of his religion support him.

Satinists support sacrificing babies.

Therefore, the Rabbi is aligned with Satinists, and all his supporters are Satinists also. And all the other members of his religion that defend him are defending satanism.

Therefore, Judiasm = Satanism.

Now here's where I get called anti-semetic for equating Jews with Satanists. But how can any thinking person say that it is OK to kill babies for THEIR religion, but it's horrible for ANOTHER religion to kill babies for theirs.

Now try to scream 'Blood Libel" when there are Rabbis that promote killing babies, and there are other Jews that defend him.

The reason for the killing is irelevant. Whether it's the fabled matzohs, or to prevent any "future crimes" against Jews/The Jewish State.

The mere suggestion that it's acceptable to kill innocent babies/children/minors by a Rabbi for any reason should be condemned as swiftly as it is when a non-Jew makes the accusation that Jews kill babies for the furtherance of their religion? And aren't the two examples (one fictional, one not) exactly the same thing? The sacrafice of a baby for the "glory" of Judiasm?

[Yisroel Pensack]

You somehow missed this story in the NYTimes:

Rocket From Gaza Hits Israeli City
By ISABEL KERSHNER
Published: July 30, 2010
JERUSALEM — A Katyusha-type rocket fired by militants from Gaza struck the Israeli coastal city of Ashkelon on Friday, damaging buildings and causing panic after more than a year of relative calm.

There were no injuries, but the police said that several residents of Ashkelon, about 10 miles north of Gaza, were treated for shock. The last time the city was hit by rocket fire was in February 2009, according to an Israeli military spokeswoman. She noted that there had been many failed attempts to hit the city since Israel ended its three-week offensive in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9.

Ashkelon, with a population of about 125,000, was hit frequently by rockets during the war. Gaza is governed by the Islamic militant group Hamas, which won elections in 2006.

Richard Miron, a spokesman for the United Nations Middle East envoy, said in a statement on Friday that “indiscriminate rocket fire against civilians is completely unacceptable and constitutes a terrorist attack.”

Israel’s military campaign came after years of rocket and mortar fire from Gaza. In the past 18 months there has been a significant drop in attacks, with Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza broadly upholding a shaky cease-fire. The rockets that have landed in Israeli territory since the war have fallen mostly in open areas, not inside towns and cities.

Israel responded to the rocket attack later in the day with airstrikes against a Hamas training camp in Gaza City and smuggling tunnels along Gaza’s southern border with Egypt, Reuters reported. Palestinian medical workers said several people sustained minor injuries, the news agency reported.

The violence came a day after the Arab League in Cairo endorsed a resumption of direct Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, although it left the timing up to the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, Hamas’s rival, whose authority is now limited to the West Bank. Hamas opposes any resumption of direct peace talks.

On Thursday, Jewish settlers claiming ownership of a large building in the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City evicted an extended Palestinian family that had been renting the property for decades. That move was also seen by some in the region as an attempt to sour the atmosphere for peace negotiations.

The United Nations envoy, Robert Serry, described the settlers’ takeover of the property as “provocative,” coming “at a critical time in the international community’s efforts to move the peace process forward.”

The Palestinian tenants appealed their eviction, and the case has been referred to an Israeli court.

A version of this article appeared in print on July 31, 2010, on page A9 of the New York edition.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/31/world/middleeast/31mideast.html?hp

[Baffled]

I'm baffled, who else should Israeliis kill if not gentiles? Each other? Danny Kaye? this is an argument over command and control not morality. The State of Israel is not going to turn over its responsibility to confront its enemies to freelancers. There are ways of doing things and every hilltop visionary the width and breath of Judea and Samaria cannot be permitted to run around and kill folks they don't like.

But the IDF, should it come to that, may end up targeting the habitations of those same gentiles and to terrible effect. Without we can only pray the apocalyptic delerium that's been stinking up the joint since Gush's glory days.

[Shmarya]

You somehow missed this story in the NYTimes:

So, in your twisted mind, this means we should kill Arab babies because they will probably grow up to hate us?

You really are sick.

[Yisroel Pensack]

“He Who is Compassionate to the Cruel
Will Ultimately Become Cruel to the Compassionate”
Contemporary Lessons from an Ancient Midrash
Eliav Shochetman
This paper was published as ACPR’s Policy Paper No. 124 (2001)

Compassion to the Cruel – Harm to the General Public

The popular folk saying asserts, “He who becomes compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate.” This adage, whose origins are in the Midrash of our Sages (see below), is utilized these days regarding the government’s treatment of Arab terrorism, since the beginning of the present wave of violence, called “intifada”, which has lasted more than twelve years with no end in sight. More specifically, the reference is to the government’s treatment of terrorism since the signing of the Oslo Accords, as on the one hand, it declares its commitment to a continued war on terrorism, while at the very same time, supplies weapons to organizations which have not abandoned the path of terrorism and refrains from targeting individuals with whom they are engaged in “peace” negotiations, though those same individuals are responsible for the continued terrorist activity against Israel.

The charge directed at the government is that it does not subdue terrorism resolutely and even surrenders to terrorism by agreeing to conduct diplomatic negotiations with terrorist organizations while “under fire”, encouraging additional terrorism.1 The utilization of the rabbinic idiom cited in this contemporary context is that he (the government) who acts compassionately, in others words, benevolently, towards cruel people – none other than the various terrorist functionaries – ultimately will become cruel to the general public, which is forced to pay the price of additional casualties for the government’s irresolute behavior. The “compassionate” in this saying, in its practical application is, therefore, the general public, for whom compassion to the cruel is cruelty towards them...

http://www.acpr.org.il/ENGLISH-NATIV/06-issue/shochetman-6.htm

[A. Nuran]

Glady, YP...

It's customary for Charedists to wail and shriek that anyone who fails to obey their insane demands is a "Nazi".

Now we see it as the true face of Charedism. It isn't pretty. In fact, it's ugly as homemade sin. These two scum have told their followers it's alright to kill innocent Gentile babies because some day they might grow up to do something bad. That's 100% pure National Socialist German Worker's Party line stuff.

Keep your Mogen David arm bands, gas chambers and corpse-ovens which are turned off on Shabbos. You and your beloved rabbis are monsters and stains on the honor of the Jewish people. I would say I hope your names will be erased when you go into the ground, but that wouldn't be fair. Your names should be live forever as lessons to us all, proof that even Jews can be as twisted and evil as Himmler or Eichmann.

[Yisroel Pensack]

"...If the law requires a war of annihilation against the Amalek of our generation in order to uproot it totally, that is the path which he must take. Only the option of taking that path holds out hope for a new course, which will extricate Israel from dire straits.

"To remove any doubt, it is worth emphasizing that the war of annihilation that is incumbent upon the Prime Minister and the government which he heads, is not, heaven forbid, directed against the general Arab public which resides among us; all that was said obviously relates only to the terrorist organizations seeking to destroy us. Even regarding Amalek – the commandment is to battle against those who retain their Amalekite identity, however, one who genuinely and sincerely wants to live in peace with us – it is forbidden to harm him.28 The effort to reach peace can be based on contacts with those Arabs of the Land of Israel who genuinely and sincerely want to accept us and our existence as a Jewish state. Anyone who is not willing to do so – and that includes all the terrorist organizations – cannot be a partner to any steps towards peace, and war should be waged against him until his demise."

http://www.acpr.org.il/ENGLISH-NATIV/06-issue/shochetman-6.htm

[Shmarya]

And?

You do not know the challenges the government faces r the choices it must make. You are not privy to security briefings and you do not know threat analysis.

All you know is your delusional fantasies.

And the paper you cite is 6 years old, and refers to another government.

[Menachem Mendel lll]

@ Yisroel Pensack

Dear Srulik......

Temper, temper, temper.

Show some Ahavs Yisrooel and kooved.

Go easy with the loshen Hara.
Go easy with the curses.
Go easy...easy does it.

Perhaps you need therapy, medication or both.

Don't be upset with the news.
Be upset with the news makers or convert and become a shvartz, the same color as my beloved shrymel and Japanese girlfriend's hairzz.

Moschiach baby show me some Moschaich action right now!

[Yisroel Pensack]

...And the paper you cite is 6 years old, and refers to another government.

Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 07:51 PM

I see you're pretty good at math, too:

"This paper was published as ACPR’s Policy Paper No. 124 (2001)"

Besides, the source I ultimately rely on is much older than that -- about 3,300 years old, actually.

[Shmarya]

According to most rabbis, that "source" doesn't support what you claim.

[Yisroel Pensack]

According to most rabbis, that "source" doesn't support what you claim.

Posted by: Shmarya | August 01, 2010 at 09:23 PM

Which is what -- that you're the leader of the erev rav?

[golden calf, red heifer]

Racist chabadnicks are nothing new. Bet you can't go a day in Crown Heights without out hearing something being said about the "shvartzes."

[Abracadabra]

Yisroel Pensack adds nothing to these discussions other than venom. He's a hack, and cares only to promote the views of these vile non-Rabbis with beards who the rest of the Jewish world disagrees with. What is the point of allowing him to post his vile views on this site?

I don't even read them, and I'm sure others skip them as well.

[Michael David Kittell]

The halachic issue here, for those who care, is that these Rabbis' (sic) statements are completely unnecessary Hisgarus Neged Haumos which is completely forbidden always as we are still in a state of Golus even in the Holy Land.
Of course the Moshichisten are so desperate to prove that this is Moshiach Times that they want to go around killing all the Goyim because they think that is what their version of a moshiach would do.
(Ironically the State like all states, will do what it will, including getting rid of any inconvenient Goyim, without being given a Haskamah)

[Schneersontology]

based on this and similar chabad activities the us govt should remove chabads status as a religon and remove tax deductions for chabad donations

[seymour]

Posted by: Yisroel Pensack

why don't we Jews just nuke everybody and have the whole world to ourselves.

The only problem would be we would be depressed since now we have no one to hate us. our whole identity got lost

[Menachem Mendel lll]

@ Yisroel Pensack

Not true.

As long as a Yid has a least one in law be rest assured there will always be someone out there to hate 'us'.

Ergo; no depression and no lost identity.

The legacy (B"H) will continue.......

[A. Nuran]

No, seymour. We would turn on each other with every group claiming to be the only real Jews.

[Baffled]

if Shapira ever gets uranium and sets up a centrifuge chain maybe ill start to worry about Chabad/Messiah/Messhistiim/ etc etc etc etc etc. As we recall when the IDF decided Gaza would be Judenrein, zippity do dah--Hamistan! Hamas of course /not takes its spiritual instruction from Bahai and repeated watching of Bambi.