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July 08, 2010

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harold

Again with the trash bins, when are they going to start securing them!

As they say "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". All trash bins should come from the factory with a chain already attached. There should be a fine for anyone with a trash bin that is unsecured.

Guns have to be licensed because they are dangerous, dogs should be leashed when walking the streets, and trash bins should be secured because they too in the wrong hands are dangerous.

SJ

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! XD

Abe

That's right Harold, blame it on the trash bin instead of on the ravenous chareidim. If a score of these cretins were to be sentenced to 5 years at hard labor without parole for their wanton destructive actions, you'd see a lot less rioting . ... Lock 'em up and throw away he key!

Jay

Following that ludicrous line of reasoning, the next step will be to chain all rocks to the ground. Otherwise they will be available to dangerous hands. One can only imagine how they will secure used diapers , so dangerous hands don't throw them in the faces of policemen. A simpler solution might be to chain those dangerous hands!

seymour

Paramedics said haredim tried to prevent them from treating the wounded.

maybe we should nail them down also

NIRC guy

This is so sick.

jomadar

THIS IS WHAT ALL THAT TORAH LEARNING BOUGHT MINDLESS BEHAVIOUR JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS SHOULD OF BEEN THEESE SO CALLED TORAH LEARNERS ARE THE BIGGEST HILLEL HASHEM ON US ALL BIGGER THEN ALL OTHERS COMBINED HOW IN THE WORLD CAN THEY SEE THEMSELFS AS GOD FEARING IS BEYOND ME WHAT A WASTE OF THEIR LEARNING WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND LIFE

harold

That's right Harold, blame it on the trash bin instead of on the ravenous chareidim.

I am not blaming the trash bins but it is just like when someone gets shot you do not blame the gun. A gun should be secured when at home because in the wrong hand it is dangerous the same logic applies to the bins. My reaction to the securing the bins is because I keep on reading, time and time again, of its being used as a source of damage. A simple act of securing them is therefore prudent. It is so simple to implement. Give the public one month to secure them after that fine the owners of bins that are not secure.

To secure rocks is silly and impractical, just like requiring a license to use a knife is. However I believe we have laws that outlaw switchblades for that reason.

Obviously one should not use guns to commit a crime just like one should not be setting bins on fire or pushing them onto highways. However is you see a problem, try to nip it in the bud.

A little history as to how the restrictions on switchblades came about and you will understand the parallel that I trying to show:

Switchblades are often covered by very specific laws—enacted at times of moral panic by newspapers and films about knife use by criminals. This was most prominent in the late 1950s, when films such as Rebel Without a Cause and High School Confidential in 1955, the Broadway play West Side Story and 12 Angry Men in 1957 all featured switchblades, and were closely followed by the USA Switchblade Act of 1958 (a federal law; individual state laws differ widely). This US federal law was closely followed by the UK Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade

nachos

Paramedics said haredim tried to prevent them from treating the wounded.


Another fine example of Torah literacy.

Alter Kocker

Harold; Unfortunately your posts lean toward being a Chareidi apologist. These people break the law and expect impunity. They are leeches on Israeli society and couch their blood-sucking in piety. Their unwavering and blind obedience to senile gedolim results in rioting and lawlessness (civil law). They live in a land (US, Israel and anywhere else)where they act as if the law of the land is superceded by their beliefs and react with shock and dismay when they are made to observe those laws. This is just a fraction of the laundry list of deficiencies that Chareidim represent and any civilized society must demand that their laws are recognised by the citizenry and obeyed. Otherwise anarchy and chaos reign.

harold

Harold; Unfortunately your posts lean toward being a Chareidi apologist

This has nothing to do with haredi. Whoever sets a garbage bin on fire should be caught and prosecuted as well as the criminals that pushed the bins on to the highway. I am reacting to what I am reading, time and time again.

The garbage bins are the "weapon of choice" of Israeli rioters (outside of rocks and bottles which cannot be secured or controlled) and should be "taken away". Since the bins are needed, restrain it so it can only be used for its intended purpose.

jay

Assuming the bins are restrained , it's reasonable to assume that these vandals will find a substitute fairly quickly. I have to admit, though, I wonder if it's an Israeli thing to have so many dumpsters on the streets. I don't recall seeing them in any significant number in residential neighborhoods in the U.S.

effie

There is no way to secure garbage bins. If they secure them, they can't be picked up and emptied. Also, the criminals will just break any restraints.

harold

There is no way to secure garbage bins. If they secure them, they can't be picked up and emptied. Also, the criminals will just break any restraints.

Use enough chain to reach the street. As to they can break the restraints. Any barrier that you set up can be subverted - just look at guns. You restrain it as much as possible and make it as difficult as possible. Most haredim do not casually walk around with chain cutters. Believe me, chaining a bin will be a most effective deterrent, just like chaining a bike is a deterrent to its theft.

jay

They'll just find another means to vandalize. The best option is more aggressive action to arrest and imprison them

Alter Kocker

This has nothing to do with haredi. Whoever sets a garbage bin on fire should be caught and prosecuted as well as the criminals that pushed the bins on to the highway. I am reacting to what I am reading, time and time again.

This has everything to do with Haredi rioters. Tell me who else is rioting. They are rioting because they are following the orders of their rabbis who operate under a misconception that all graves and bones in the holy land belong to Jewish ancestors. So they riot-push garbage bins onto highways-injure innocent motorists AND THEN PREVENT PARAMEDICS FROM TREATING THE INJURED---That, in short is grounds for attempted murder. Arrest their leaders. Arrest the followers who perpetrated acts of this nature. Imprison all of the aforementioned. Threaten all of the rest of them with imprisonment, cessation of welfare, forced military service, closure of the yeshivas where these riots are formented. If they will not act as citizens, then treat them as hostile aliens.

harold

They'll just find another means to vandalize

True, but it may be less effective and spectacular. Just look at here in the US they mostly "hoot and howl" and maybe shove. We just had a massive demonstration here and it was peaceful. A fire requires fuel and oxygen; by not having readily available bins to light and push maybe the protests will be less violent.

David

Again with the trash bins, when are they going to start securing them!

Sigh.... Physical solutions to behavioural problems is never the best option. The miscreants need to correct their behaviour, or be severely punished for it.

When are the Charedim going to stop endangering life and destroying property? And if these cultists are so "religious" they need to do the halachically appropriate thing of paying compensations to the motorcyclists they harmed and also to the owner of the trash bin plus all other incidental damages.

David

forced military service

They are too lazy, unfit and inbred to be of much use to the military but they would EXCEL at one thing....

Target practice.

David

They are too lazy, unfit and inbred to be of much use to the military but they would EXCEL at one thing....

Did I forget to mention uneducated and lacking in personal hygiene? (No military wants uneducated or unhygienic soldiers.) And worse, since they don't associate with others who are not of their kind, it would be impossible to establish any camaraderie in the ranks.

The greatest contribution they can make is offer their services as targets for Israeli soldiers. I will forgive their numerous sins if they do this great mitzvah.

harold

they need to do the halachically appropriate thing of paying compensations to the motorcyclists they harmed and also to the owner of the trash bin plus all other incidental damages.

Halachically and legally responsible, problem is that in a protest setting with many people it is hard to find the culprits.

Alter Kocker

Then force a high levy on the entire community. Make them come up with several million shekels-AFTER YOU CUT OFF THEIR WELFARE. Tell them that the money must come from their GEDOLIM. MAKE IT HURT!

harold

Then force a high levy on the entire community

What utter nonsense, you definitely need to take your pills today!

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