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July 30, 2010

Breaking! Eliyahu Weinstein Liable For $35 Million In Fraud Case

Eliyahu Weinstein cropped A jury just ruled the Lakewood scammer must pay $35 million to his victims.

A source just informed me that a jury has just mandated that Eliyahu Weinstein pay $35 million to victims.

Details and documents will be posted as soon as they are available.

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About time. But can he bankrupt himself out of this?

He is an evil man who gave hundreds of thousands to charity with stolen money.

Let's see if this person pays the restitution ordered by the court.

He might retort that, since SMR hasn't paid what he was ordered, why should he have to.

The court will seize his assets.

The problem in the Rubashkin case is that Rubashkin apparently hid his assets.

Weinstein probably hid some but not all of his.

A woman leading Shabbat services in an Orthodox shule, oh my. A black hatted mamzer stealing $35 million, no problem after all it went to tzedakah.

Anon--This is a civil judgment and is dischargeable in bankruptcy. All depends on how his affairs are managed. In order to go into a Chapter 7 bankruptcy, of course, you have to unable to meet your debts as they become due. You have to really, really broke. Who knows how much money this man has.

Eliyahu ("Eli") Weinstein's partner and co-defendant is Simcha ("Sim") Shain.

Simcha Shain's is a managing member of Oorah (of Kars-for-Kids fame).

Simcha Shain's father is Rabbi Yehuda ("Yudl") Shain.

Rabbi Yehuda Shain is a well-known karshrut expert who help bust the Rubashkin meat scandal wide open.

Interesting coincidence, isn't it?

See
1. "Problems Under the Hood at Car Charity" at http://timpersinko.com/?page_id=179

2. "The Shell Game" at http://www.joyceblaynewsandviews.com/freedomofthpress/blog1.php/2009/08/11/the-shell-game

3. "Did Rubashkin Bribe Upstate Satmar? Yudel Shain Says Yes" at http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2006/04/did_rubashkin_b.html

I think chabad owes lakewood lets have a collection for him and say how great a man he is

Eli'ahu Hanavi Eli'ahu hatishbiEli'ahu Eli'ahu. Eli'ahu hagiladi............

Good boy Eli....fuck over the 'Jew'.
Screw the 'Jew' since they killed Yosseleh and it's your job Eli to seek revenge in the form of gelt, cars from Deutchaland,
Rolexes and Kurvehs.

Moschiach come out from hiding.
We need you.
ASAP!

When is enough, enough? 35 million? I can't even fathom that. How much annual income do you think a family of four has to clear in New York, in order to afford a modest but decent house, decent car, utilities, insurances, groceries, modest wardrobe, simple recreation, an annual modest vacation, school expenses, tithing, and savings? I'm going to guess that $50-60,000 yr would do it in Iowa if you're living within your means. (food stamps and Section 8 housing vouchers don't count!)

The bigger the crook, the bigger the black hat.

Wool,

There are people in Lakewood who stopped doing business with this open and notorious, well known ganef more than a decade ago.

He hasn't been apprehended because he fleeced mostly, if not only, other ganavim (kollel types hiding assets from the IRS and welfare department, etc.) so no one wanted to turn him in.

I have no sympathy for his so-called "victims."

... and I hope that he is already talking to the Feds.

Ha'gonef M'hangaf Patur.
-Yeshiva Handbook on ahvas yisroel
-Vorten from deh Rebbeh

Bill (10:10), interesting point. Similar is true for Ezagui. Crooks cheating crooks. Rubashkin also must certainly have plenty of dirt on other CH crooks, which is why they all fight so hard on his behalf. Crooks covering each other's crooked asses. Such beautiful achdus. Harold must be proud.

I still wonder about those stupid oversized hats. I also own several hats (not black!) and caps. They're Borsalino, Bates, or Lock (from England). The hats stores I buy from insist on measuring me and recommending hats with brims and crowns appropriate to my size and physique. What store would let you walk out the door with a ridiculously oversized hat, especially if you're paying hundreds for the hat, and they hope you'll be a repeat customer?

Try buying a hat at J&J in Manhattan, Bencraft in Brooklyn, Lock or Bates in London. Unless the hat is right for you, you're not allowed out the door.

wool,

The whole getup is rediculous. Black garb, and tights and sweaters on the women in the middle of the summer.

They walk the streets thinking it's a big "kiddush hashem," i.e., making the jews look good.

For the most part, normal people just look and wonder WTF.

:-)

Yitzchak; civil fraud is NOT dischargeable during bankruptcy, it is forever held against your future earnings. The only thing the court could do is to first give some money to live on, and then the rest would go to the creditors.

Simcha Shain has nothing to do woith OORAH. Sim Shain is not a co-defendant, he never dealt, spoke or met the plaintiffs
He was a partner in one of the real estate companies & he got taken big time.

He will not likely be able to discharge a fraud related Judgment in bankruptcy.

http://www.moranlaw.net/contesting.htm

"[Simcha Shain] is not a co-defendant of [Eli Weinstein] - Shain

There are multiple cases out there in which Simcha Shain was named a co-defendant of Eli Weinstein.

google both names together and you will find them.

see, for example,

http://nj.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.%5CFDCT%5CDNJ%5C2009%5C20090402_0000584.DNJ.htm/qx

http://ny.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.%5CFDCT%5CENY%5C2009%5C20091123_0000859.ENY.htm/qx

Yudel

All of Lakewood knew, for years, that Weinstein was a ganef, everyone except for, apparently, Simcha Shain, his business partner for many years and his co-defendant.

But don't worry either way. After the Feds bust this thing wide open it will be pretty clear who knew what and when.

Now I know why the Yeshivish allowed themselves to get carried away by the Rubashkin "Pidyon Shevuyim" debacle, even though it was a Chabad affair!! It's because of the expected Federal busting of all the fraud in the Yeshivish circles! The Feds are about to find and prosecute thousands of these Yeshivish crooks for all the welfare, section 8, food stamps, and other benefits fraud! When that happens there will be thousands of these Yeshivish people going to jail and so the leaders figured it would be a good idea to support Rubashkin and to start calling legal fees for fraudulent criminal activity "Pidyon Shevuiyim" so that we can save our Yeshivish brothers from serving time. Ditto for calling it "Anti-Semitism" when it's not! If we get everybody paranoid with thinking frum Jews are being targeted, there will be a political move in terms of claims of Anti-Semitism when all the Yeshivish fraud comes out, and all the Yeshivish Jews can then claim that "we're being targeted by Anti-Semitism," instead of taking responsibility for the fraud!! And, having a common enemy always feeds the fury and funds of those supposedly "fighting" for "our rights". Hah!

Brilliant evil minds never cease to come up with more brilliant evil solutions.

The Chareidi leadership will bring the downfall of Judaism if the people keep following like zombies and don't initiate change.

Bill,

Contrary to what you wrote, Simcha Shain is not the managing member of Oorah. The reason that people are under the mistaken impression that Simcha Shain is the managing member of Oorah is that Oorah had a land deal with an entity Swarthmore Equities, LLC. Shain was the managing member of Swarthmore, but the mortgage was prepared incorrectly to indicate that Shain is managing member of Oorah, when the drafter of the mortgage meant to indicate that Shain is the managing member of Swarthmore.

On a separate note, Shain pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute narcotics in 1994. The case was in the Southern District of New York and it’s captioned, USA v. Koogel, et. al. 1:93-cr-00175-LLS-9

"people are under the mistaken impression that [Simcha Shain] is the managing member of Oorah.... [a] mortgage was prepared incorrectly to indicate that Shain is a managing member of Oorah.... Shain pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute narcotics." - The Truth

That was was an accident too. Simcha Shain went to court intending to plead guilty to a parking violation but he walked into the wrong courtroom "by accident" and pled guilty in a drug case that he had nothing to do with. :-)

I will also point out that "Yudel Shain" above said that Simcha Shain got "taken big time" by Eli Weinstein and somehow, nebach, was "mistakenly" added as a codefendant with Weinstein on multiple lawsuits..

lol

Mr. "Truth," do you really think we are that stupid????

The amount of animosity towards Ultra Orthodox Jews would be considered anti-semitic by any objective standards.
I wonder if you guys can stop generalizing and calling every Orthodox Semite in Lakewood and the world for that matter terrible names

Sam,

The real anti-Semites are those who rob, cheat and molest, claim to be a better version of Jewish, all while contensting the authenticity of decent, law-abiding Jews.

Suck on that thought for a little bit, you idiot.

Bill,

I would respond to your comments, but I can see from the type of person you are that you are incapable of understanding my words I would use and I'm sorry to say your a waste of good oxygen.

By the way how old are you?

Bill,
You are just echoing propaganda from the 30's.
They said the exact same thing.
You are a very bitter person looking for scapegoats.

Bill - it so happens that i am NOT jewish {and i assume you probably are} but i am SHOCKED at your immature and narrow minded comments and like 'Joe Slater' suggests, i won't waste my breath on answering your posts.
Shame on you and your general knowledge {or, the lack of it}

Martin,
What general knowledge do I lack? Please educate me.

Leaders and other prominent members of Lakewood's Orthodox Jewish community are increasingly being implicated in, and being found liable for, major acts of fraud. Their rank and file then come on this website and try to "anti-Semitism" and "blood libel" their way out of it.
Just read the bizarre and ridiculous excuses they are making for these guys. Come on: a convicted drug trafficker (assuming a post above with a case citation is true....) just stumbles into a partnership with a guy who defrauds his community to the tune of $200 million, then "by mistake" signs bank documents in which he asserts to be a managing member of Oorah, a prominent Orthodox Jewish charity?

Do you expect people to believe that he is Forest Gump.

Please educate me. You have my attention and I'm listening.

BTW Many of the defrauded are foreign nationals. The 35 Million figure, reminises an amout Berger from London was suing for, uner many companies & partnerships, seeing the judge tossed it out under his own name. I guess he had a retrial with all eneteties named.
We also have no clue to the amount of this Ponzi scheme. 200 million is an estimate.
As for all you Yudel supporters go ask Yudel who owned a hotel on Route 9 in Lakewood, some 30 years back, & set in on fire in three places while Yiddishe people were sleeping there & hoped to claim insurance, but was unsuccessful. Then he went & sold it to the Conservatives against the will of the tzibur. Yudel may be able to tell you who that was.He may also be able to tell you who managed property in Lakewood on behalf of a Monsey Rabbi, & took all the ignorant on a ride for double rent, & lost the Baal Tokeia in the Vosikin minyan.
He is so close to that individual that he never badmouths him, but anyone else he doesn't like he badmouths. I must tell you never believe Yudel or trust him on anything, not Lehachmir or lehokeil.

Hi Ed,

Can you please share more facts on the connection to the "Rabbi from Monsey" that you just mentioned?

Thanks!

Bill,
There has been some lawsuits against bloggers recently, especiallt Tendler & Zucker, I cannot elaborate, but the stories posted will arouse some memory.
BTW I am not anti Chareidi like you, so I won't feed you.
Do some homework.

@ Sam | August 01, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Since you do not know Bill and you are not a psychologist who the fuck are you to analyze someone who does not share your POV or agenda.

If you want to analyze start with yourself and your parents who gave you this warped sence of morality and entitlement.

Have a good voch.

"I am not anti-Haredi like you" - Ed

Ed,

If only Haredim obeyed the law and their leaders and their rank and file did not coddle the criminals in their midst, there would be no reason to be "anti" them.

The Haredim have a huge problem and that problem is not Bill or Failed Messiah - it is utter disrespect for the law of the land.

All they do is come up with excuses for bad behavior. I think the bizarre and ridiculous comments raised in this thread are a very powerful testament to this phenomenon.

Scary,
This website has evolved into a clone of a certain political party in pre-war Germany.
They to found Jews do blame for everything and they loved generalizing.
We appear to have some latter day members.
For all those open minded and bigoted:Lakewood has probably about 30 thousand Ultra Orthodox.
A tiny percentage has broken the law.
Grow up or move to the boondocks and set up another Aryan Militia.
For shame

Scary,
This website has evolved into a clone of a certain political party in pre-war Germany.
They to found Jews do blame for everything and they loved generalizing.
We appear to have some latter day members.
For all those open minded and bigoted:Lakewood has probably about 30 thousand Ultra Orthodox.
A tiny percentage has broken the law.
Grow up or move to the boondocks and set up another Aryan Militia.
For shame

Please.

Lakewood's rabbinical elite have been enabling and covering up for these crimes for years, and the 30,000 haredim you talk about about have allowed them to do this.

I think you need to look closely at your leaders and their crimes, and far less closely at those people angered by them.

"a tiny percentage broke the law" - Geoff

Wrong.

A tiny percentage got caught.

You can try to "Hitlerize" this issue all you want, but that won't change the fact that nobody in the community is condemning the criminals among them. They are coddled and exhaulted and excuse after excuse is made for them.

Yell "Hitler!" all day long if you please. People have gotten tired of it. Rubashkin tried it, and he fell on his face. You are not victims. You are predators. The sooner you admit it, the sooner you might be able to take corrective action.

Shmarya
That is what H**** said.
He blamed the *Jews* (in your case "Haredim*)for everything.
Off course there were some Jews who broke the law.
For example when one 17 year old Jew assassinated a low level German diplomat in Paris in 1938 they used it as a *good* excuse for Kristallnacht.


Btw,
I did *NOT* defend bad behavior or law breaking.All I said was stop blaming a huge community for a small number of law breakers.
If you do, expect fair minded people of accusing you of being a small minded bigot

Bill,
You sound like a real nice guy.
What do you propose we do to all the Orthodox in Lakewood who according to you are such terrible people??

Bill,
I am a chareidi & I live in Lakewood, I have never broken the law except 3 or 4 times I went to the muster zone &picked up a Mexican to do some clean up. BTW they made special pick up points for them,so I guess that has become quasi legal.
Besides that I pay all my taxes & never ever took a program from the US Government. So how dare you acuse and generalize all Chareidim, that is outright racsism. Most of Lakewood are the finest & most honest & have for long despised the scammer, & others. Yes there are some crooks in any society, but they are a minority.
If you don't live here how would you know?
You are a biggot no doubt.
BTW I guess in your books Maddoff, Rothstein, Milken & Bowsky were all chareidim.You are no doubt a biggot, & I am pretty sure that you are thief of magnitude too. You are spilling out your guilt on Chareidim, for all I know you are Weinstein himself. BTW I know that shiester & he is far from Chareidi, he dressed, hang around by & gave charity to Chareidim, as a means to bilk people who are chareidim, who trust other chareidim, because of their honesty.

"Yell "Hitler!" all day long if you please. People have gotten tired of it. "

I cherry-picked your best line!!!

Shmarya
That is what H**** said.
He blamed the *Jews* (in your case "Haredim*)for everything.
Off course there were some Jews who broke the law.
For example when one 17 year old Jew assassinated a low level German diplomat in Paris in 1938 they used it as a *good* excuse for Kristallnacht.

Please.

What I said is clear:Lakewood's rabbinical elite have been enabling and covering up for these crimes for years, and the 30,000 haredim you talk about about have allowed them to do this.

I think you need to look closely at your leaders and their crimes, and far less closely at those people angered by them.

"I think you need to look closely at your leaders and their crimes, and far less closely at those people angered by them.

I wish you would follow your own advice.

The fact of the matter is that you have never been to Lakewood and know precious little about the community.
It's bad enough the smear job you did on Chabad because of a few misguided individuals.
Pray to God that you never get judged by your own unforgiving yardstick that leaves little room for human weaknesses, compassion and repentance.
You probably love the idea of an "Uber" race.Just like the fellow from Austria

"What do you propose we do with all the Orthodox in Lakewood who according to you are such terrible people?" - Geoff.

Geoff,

All lawbreakers should be prosecuted, bankrupted, and thrown in jail - whether they are "terrible people" or otherwise wonderful people, Orthodox Jews or whatever.

The fact of the matter is that you have never been to Lakewood and know precious little about the community.
It's bad enough the smear job you did on Chabad because of a few misguided individuals.
Pray to God that you never get judged by your own unforgiving yardstick that leaves little room for human weaknesses, compassion and repentance.
You probably love the idea of an "Uber" race.Just like the fellow from Austria

And you clearly know very little about common human decency, let alone halakha.

If crimes are committed or enabled by your leaders and you stay silent and do not condemn those crimes, you are complicit in them.

Past that, you show little if any concern for the victims of those crimes while you show much concern for the reputation of your community and the leaders who enabled the crimes against those victims.

In my book, that makes you a really awful person.

"I know [Weinstein] and he is far from Haredi" - Ed

Weinstein was plenty haredi before his shenanigans became widely known in the press. Now that he is an embarrassment to the Lakewood community, you are claiming that he was never one of yours to begin with.

Please stop lying!

"In my book, that makes you a really awful person."

Nice one.
You don't *EVEN* know me.
Hey, did anyone ever tell you that you are terribly judgmental??

I made it clear that I did not justify law breaking.All I said was that using such a wide brush is bigoted.I also mentioned that a tiny percentage of Lakewood breaks the law .
Oh,
I don't believe in your vigilante type of justice.Law enforcement is supposed to verify details and take appropriate lawful action
Unless you are a mind reader you do not know know what happened in the Weinstein case and neither do I.
Be well and start looking at the half filled cup

I made it clear that I did not justify law breaking.All I said was that using such a wide brush is bigoted.I also mentioned that a tiny percentage of Lakewood breaks the law .
Oh,
I don't believe in your vigilante type of justice.Law enforcement is supposed to verify details and take appropriate lawful action
Unless you are a mind reader you do not know know what happened in the Weinstein case and neither do I.
Be well and start looking at the half filled cup

And I made it clear that your rabbinic and community leaders have ben enabling and covering up for criminals for many years.

I pointed out that your refusal to deal with that makes you complicit with those crimes.

I also pointed out that you show no concern for the victims of those crimes, whether those victims are abused children, abused women women, or swindled investors.

"I know [Weinstein] and he is far from Haredi" - Ed

Weinstein was plenty haredi before his shenanigans became widely known in the press. Now that he is an embarrassment to the Lakewood community, you are claiming that he was never one of yours to begin with.

Please stop lying!

Excuse me he got thrown out of Philly & Reb Shmuel said he will never learn & wouldn't attend any function he was being honored, even if he had been driven in, tens of miles.
He later navigated into Gateshead & got bounced from there, he strayed the streets like a goy, & then to get married pretented to be frum again,& stayed around to bilk as many as he could.
He isn't & wasn't a Chareidi. Chareidi means G-d fearing which he never was, You hatre chareidim so you blame us actually we are the ones who suffered him.

And I made it clear that your rabbinic and community leaders have ben enabling and covering up for criminals for many years.

I pointed out that your refusal to deal with that makes you complicit with those crimes. Shmariyahooo!

Anyone who consulted Reb Shmuel Kaminetzky [philly] or reb Matisyahu salamon [formally Gateshead]were advised to stay away from this lowlife, and it was known in their names. unfortunatly some wanted a quick buck & agreed to take aride with this ganev.

Shmariyahooo!

Anyone who consulted Reb Shmuel Kaminetzky [philly] or reb Matisyahu salamon [formally Gateshead]were advised to stay away from this lowlife, and it was known in their names. unfortunatly some wanted a quick buck & agreed to take aride with this ganev.

1. Weinstein is one of many criminals based in Lakewood.

2. I notice you don't claim that any major Lakewood rabbis publicly denounced him.

"Haredi means God-fearing, which [Weinstein] never was" - Ed

a.k.a the "No True Scottsman" fallacy.

That's a bogus argument, Ed.

If this is about the case about New Horizon and Kimball in Memphis, it was decided three weeks ago on July 9 against Weinstein.

The facts are that Weinstein agreed to buy two major apartment complexes for about $45MM, but showed up at closing with only $40MM.

The sellers allowed him to close anyway, and took a Promissory Note for the $5MM. Weinstein made one $500,000 payment on the Note and then defaulted. A day later, the Sellers sued him for the default.

Three months after that, Weinstein countersued, saying that the sale was a fraud because there were less tenants actually paying rent than the Sellers represented.

Problem was:

a) Weinstein counter-sued in April, about a month after the 90 day warrants and representations period permitted by the contract lapsed, and

b) He couldn't claim fraud, since the Sellers didn't do anything that fit the statutory requirements of fraud.

The larger problem, practically speaking, is that according to the pleadings, Weinstein admitted that he never bothered to do any due diligence during the 30 day diligence period.

End result is that since Weinstein personally signed on the Note, the Sellers won the case, none of Weinstein's narishkeit arguments were believed, and he's personally responsible for the $5MM judgment.

Transcript of this decision is at:

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/tennessee/tnwdce/2:2007cv02157/47056/166/

I believe that is a different case.

Then whoever won the $35MM case against him better get in line. Gotta love the idea that his investors gave him money to buy buildings and not only did he show up to the closing without enough money, he never bothered to do basic due diligence.

That's usually what happens when you invest with a 30 yr old who didn't finish yeshiva high-school.

Shmariyahooo!

Anyone who consulted Reb Shmuel Kaminetzky [philly] or reb Matisyahu salamon [formally Gateshead]were advised to stay away from this lowlife, and it was known in their names. unfortunatly some wanted a quick buck & agreed to take aride with this ganev.

1. Weinstein is one of many criminals based in Lakewood.

2. I notice you don't claim that any major Lakewood rabbis publicly denounced him.

Rabbi Matissyahoo is the mashgiach of lakewood BMG, no little gun in Lakewood. little do you know, & Reb Shmuel is the last word of so called Daas Torah in Lakewood.
Anymore?
Admit a mistake for once, I know you have it in for us, we all have hook-ups.
I have to give you one thing, I go on many gentile blogs in business & the market & you are the only one who allows outright nibul peh. Yahoo edits it, & has a profanity filter option for readers.

"Haredi means God-fearing, which [Weinstein] never was" - Ed

a.k.a the "No True Scottsman" fallacy.

That's a bogus argument, Ed.

You told me to stop lying I wasn't.
As for that all Jews were once Chareidim so if you are Jewish you don't have the qualities of Bnei Avraham, although you do have gadol sinaas am hooretz letalmid chochom yoiser misnas aku'm al Yisroel.[An unlearned Jew hates the learned Jew more than a gentile hates Jews.]
If you are Jewish you had parents or grandparents or great grand parents Chareidim, I guess you know better.
I wonder if you are Weinstein himself, but I don't wonder if you are a crook that I know. You are so twisted imorral & dishonest that I need not look further.

Ed,

Where were the public proclamations against Weinstein?

Your are talking about alleged word-of-mouth edicts.

Where is the proof?

"You are," even

Ed,

Where were the public proclamations against Weinstein?

Your are talking about alleged word-of-mouth edicts.

Where is the proof?

Now you want proof, first you say it didn't happen.
I will tell you a little secret come over here to Lakewood & get an appointment with Reb Mattisyahu, or go to Kol Aryeh were Weinstein used to hang out & ask the people there.
BTW Reb Chaim Kreisworth OB"M would denounce the scammers by name in public at any given chance.
You also erred and admit it.

these orthodox rabbis write letters and posters all day long about this or that being "asur" (prohibited).

Where were the public, open and notorious written proclamations against Weinstein?

Where did the $200 million go if not to be laundered through the coffers of the very rabbis who gave him political and religious cover?

Tell me who ever denounced Weinstein by name in public.

Name some names, big shot!

these orthodox rabbis write letters and posters all day long about this or that being "asur" (prohibited).

Where were the public, open and notorious written proclamations against Weinstein?

Where did the $200 million go if not to be laundered through the coffers of the very rabbis who gave him political and religious cover?


Excuse me you are making a false statement you need proof, you have a question ask it, but don't answer it without proof. Rest assured Weinstein would sue Rabbis who printed something afgainst him, he is another Dweck, I still suspect you are him.
BTW you spoke about being even, I don't agree this is not personal, you are a vile snake with venomoys hate.
Enough Chareidim lost money because they trusted an imposter chareidi, but don't add insult to injury.
If you do, be fair & do the same to the non-chareidi Maddoff investors.
You biggot.

Look at these sad apologists, pretending that the rabbonim did anything to alert the community to the fact this Weinstein is a thief.

If they did such a great job, frum people everywhere wouldn't have been ripped off. Harvey Wolinetz is an extreme example of a frum guy who was ripped off by Weinstein, but there are scores of smaller frum fish who gave that charlatan their life savings.

If the rabbonim cared enough to protect their crowd, they'd have ostracized Weinstein from the community, with a seruv or a cherim. Instead he continues to shukel in Lakewood along with the rest of the complacent criminals.

ed,

I asked you two questions. these were not "statements."

There is no way to "prove" a question.

Jon,

you are absolutely right.

$200 million disappeared into thin air during the course of many years and they are saying that the rabbis did everything they could to stop this guy.

what rubbish.

Ed,

Maddoff was a haredi who was pretending to be non-haredi just so he could rip off the irreligious Jews.

Does this argument seem rediculous?

well, so does yours.

Ed,

Maddoff was a haredi who was pretending to be non-haredi just so he could rip off the irreligious Jews.

Does this argument seem rediculous?

well, so does yours.
.Someone comes from a religious home & keeps nothig but dons the garb when he shows up.
That makes him religeous G-d fearing Chareidi.
BTW let me tell you a secret a relation of mine from overseas enquired about this cheat rotter, & I told him the worst & in the name of Rabbis to no avail, he made a little investment & got paid a mint, so off he went to the big one mortgaging all he had, bringing in partners. I stayed up nights quoting Rabbis etc, nothing helped the Satan had already decreed the money waws gone. we are speaking millions My foe Bill.He consulted the rabbis later & found out.
You are an outright biggot & found some assimilated crooked twisted Jews who left the Chareidi fold like yourself Bill Eliyahoooo Weinstein & now you claim all Chareidim are crooks. You Good for nothing idiotic hypocrytic biggot.
BTW Eisav was the son of Issac, does that make him a chareidi? You know you are not worth my time, I was nice, I answered you. you are reall a piece of... you know what. Mr Weinstein.

Maddoff was a haredi who was pretending to be non-haredi just so he could rip off the irreligious Jews.

Irrelegeous Jews don't trust each other like chareidim do, so that is a feable argument.
Ireligeous Jews know that once they gave up G-d they have no morals or truth left in them so they distrust each other. whereas Chareidim leave their doors unlocked invite vistors who'm they've never met before. Keep money in their coat pockets in Shul & mikveh etc.
Irrelegeous Jews trust Goyim more than Jews, & rightfully so, because he who has no fear of G-d has no fear of doing bad to man.

Ed,

I don't care if you think I'm Weinstein - or the Pope for that matter.

Weinstein was getting invited to dinners while people on the street were getting fleeced by him left and right, under the nose of the rabbis who did absolutely nothing to stop him. That's a fact.

You can call me a racist, bigot, anti-Semite, or Adolf Hitler's transexual boyfriend - whatever.

None of that changes any of the facts.

Hitler had a transsexual boyfriend?

Bill - I have read what you and ed are discussing and I can see that ed has some very cleaver and true points that you won't let yourself digest them coz u are thirsty to get at religious Jews, and I do believe it stems from a inner guilt. Probably someone who u thought was religious did something bad to u (maybe even your frum parents) and from then on u hate frumers. Please just grow up or if that won't happen so fast, then read all your comments above again in 10 years or so when you are a black hated frum Jew and u will no doubt think u were nuts and immature back then.

jeremy,

This is not about me, sir.

Try to stay on topic, the topic being how the orthodox leadership protects and harbors criminals.

"... read all your comments above again in 10 years or so when you are a black hated frum Jew and u will no doubt think u were nuts and immature back then." - Jeremy

I'm just dying to see what happens in 10 years because what you are saying right now is unintelligible and makes no sense whatsoever.

At which yeshiva did you "learn" to write like this? Did they also give you a phony transcript and diploma for English courses you never took? (You're familiar with that scam, I'm sure....)

BH


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