14-Year-Old Dragged 100 Lb Barrels Of Rejected Turkeys Through Agriprocessors To The Garbage

Henry Lopez Calel said he was the hope of his family.

Rubashkin trial update: Young man talks of hard work at Agriprocessors
JEFF REINITZ • Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier

WATERLOO --- Henry Lopez Calel said he was the hope of his family.

Born in Guatemala, he followed his father to the United States to find work and support relatives back in his home village of San Jose Calderas.

Lopez took the stand Thursday morning as the state continued its against former Argriprocessors executive Sholom Rubashkin. Rubashkin is charged with 83 counts of child labor violations in connection with the Postville plant.

Rubashkin is currently awaiting sentencing on federal fraud charges that were levied after immigration officials raided the plant in May 2008.

Lopez, who found work at Agriprocessors at the age of 14, described his village of about 100 homes in Central America.

"They are very poor people working with machetes, hoes, working the fields," Lopez said.

His father was the first member of his family to leave for the states, paying a "coyote" guide about $5,000, he told jurors. After some time, the father would come back to Guatemala to spend time with the family, returning to the U.S. when the money ran out.

On his father's third trip, in 2004, Lopez decided to go with because the family was "living so poorly."

Lopez was apprehended in Mexico and returned to Guatemala. Even though he failed to reach the U.S., the $5,000 debt to the coyote still stood.

Lopez told jurors the fee covered up to three attempts at the border, so he tried again and made it the second time. He said it cost another $500 to get from Texas to Postville.

When he arrived, it was $150 for forged work papers --- a resident alien card and a Social Security card. He said the ID claimed he was 18, just old enough to work at Agriprocessors.

Lopez described hauling 100-pound barrels of rejected turkey carcasses through the plant to throw them out. He was go from a hot area where he was sweating to a old area in his wet clothing.

"My clothes would freeze, and little by little my lungs would be damaged," he told jurors.

He missed work and was fired when he didn't return. That is when he went to school in Postville, finishing the eighth and ninth grade before dropping out a month into this sophomore year.

Comments

[Dr Moe]

"14-Year-Old Dragged 100 Lb Barrels Of Rejected Turkeys Through Agriprocessors To The Garbage"

How old was he on his forged documents?
How come he didn't leave the plant?

[Cheskel]

On a diffrent topic.
Bill who is a Rubashkin hater writes the following regarding chareidi jews in one of yesterdays news post :

the trifecta is when, at weddings, they have these trays full of cubed bread sitting near the handwashing station outside the toilet area.

people come right out of the toilet, unwashed, and do their negel vaser ritual fake "washing" shtick right there, spraying the bread with fecal matter, E. Coli, cholera and whatever other nastiness they got going on right there onto the bread.

Then they say a blessing and pick a couple dirty cubes with their dirty hands and eat it.

Filthy people.

Posted by: Bill | May 12, 2010 at 06:17 PM

So you agree with Hitler may his memory be cursed,how sad.

[Bill]

... which brings us back to Rule Number One in "Bill’s Revised and Updated Hareidi Playbook for Beating Any Non-Hareidi in Any Debate":

1. Anyone who debates a Hareidi is, “deep down,” either a self-hating Jew or an anti-Semite.

Pepper your critique of their arguments with phrases such as Nazis, anti-Semites, self-hating Jews, and Holocaust-deniers. Those who are not Holocaust deniers, are either Holocaust promoters or, at the very least, people who are far too indifferent about the Holocaust than they aught to be, considering the plight of your grandparents during the Second World War. (Since they are not Hareidi, by definition, their grandparents were not in the Holocaust, nor did they ever suffer from prejudice or persecution of any type. Therefore, as a Hareidi, you have a monopoly over the Holocaust and anything Holocaust-related.)

If all else fails, drop the H-Bomb: Hitler. (The first person to associate the other person with Adolph Hitler always wins because no one has ever won an argument by asserting that he or she is not like Adolph Hitler.) So drop the H-Bomb. It doesn’t matter in what form: “Hitler killed us because of you.” “You died because of Hitler.” “Hitler died because of me.” Doesn’t matter. Just drop the H-Bomb and leave the debate promptly and, of course, victoriously.

[Cheskel]

You got it wrong.
In the heat of an argument many intelligent people might say stupid things,that's not the issue.
The phrase Filthy people Hitler used in mien kampf and that what the Nazis called Jews cheradi or not.
You Bill wrote on chareidi jews "Filthy people"

[friend]

Bill, there is usually liquid soap , both near the bathroom sink as well as near the sinks outside where those bread cubes are.
If you saw someone washing netilat yadaim (not negel vaser by the way which refers to washing hands near the bed when one wakes up) how do you know they didn't wash their hands with soap already at the bathroom sink?

[justice seeker]

Today in Ankeny Iowa, thats a few miles north of Des Moines, for you un-iowans. The Iowa Court of Appeals rejected an appeal from a con who was convicted of second degree theft. He had failed to return 40 books and DVD's to the library. The con, a repeat offender, was sentenced to 5 years. He agrued that the items he pilfered could be replaced cheaper from internet sources and discount houses, and so fell under the monetary limit for second degree theft. The justices said the felon did not take the items from a half price store so he shouldn't complain about his victims purchasing practices. The court also noted the defendants past record, previous programs he was enrolled in, and decided that probation would not provide the maximum opportunity for rehabilitation.

I figure SMR will get about 5 life sentences.

[Bill]

friend,

I called it a negel vasser fake ritual washing schtick because, unlike the conventional nitilat yadayim, which is twice in each hand (for some) they do it thrice on each hand (like negel vasser) so that - evidently to them - the washing "covers" for both the toilet and the washing prior to eating.

[yidandahalf]

I suggest these haredim are totally unaware that playing the Holocaust and Hi-ler cards fall on deaf ears among the Gentiles and jaded ears of the Jews. These clowns have simply have not caught up with this fact yet. People could either not give two shits about that issue or are totally unfazed. No one reacts to the Holocaust bombs anymore.

[Cheskel]

The ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal center which i assume are secular organizations (correct me if i'm wrong) are crying anti-semitism at every opportunity. hardly ever will you hear an official charedi organizations screaming anti-semitisim or Nazis. you might hear it from individuals at times.
So don't give me that cheardim are using the Holocaust as a tool.

Bill, whenever there is a chance he will call frum Jews "Filthy,vermin" etc and those words the Nazis used on Jews.that's the a fact

[WoolSilkCotton]

Cheskel, you and your fellow hasidim are utterly ignorant of the history of the world 1933-1945. You scream about naziism, blood libels, hitler, etc. and you haven't the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about.

You call IDF soldiers nazis? You are a piece of shit.

You call Rubashkin's trial a blood libel? You are a piece of shit.

You throw hitler's name around at everyone you disagree with?
You are a piece of shit.

In conclusion, your ignorance of Jewish history, American history, and world history results in your stupid utterances, which, compounded by the anger, paranoia and hatred instilled in you by the hasidic ghetto in which you languish, results in you being a piece of shit.

I am sorry to have to call you such a bad name. You can still educate yourself and open your mind, and become a good person. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. Good luck with your decision.

[friend]

friend,

I called it a negel vasser fake ritual washing schtick because, unlike the conventional nitilat yadayim, which is twice in each hand (for some) they do it thrice on each hand (like negel vasser) so that - evidently to them - the washing "covers" for both the toilet and the washing prior to eating.

Posted by: Bill | May 13, 2010 at 05:19 PM
The custom in Chabad and various other groups is to wash three times in all cases .

[friend]

You still didn't answer how do you know they also didn't wash their hands with soap.

[Bill]

friend,

Thanks for sharing

[Bill]

... note that I did write "for some."

[Isa]

Since more than one poster mentioned the "H" and "N" (that contains the letter "Z") words...

Remember Oscar Shindler???
A member of the Nazi party. Had slave laborers too! BUT he treated them with decency, food, clothing, protection and no whip touched their backs! No War Crimes Commission ever went after Oscar Shindler.

Remember Alfried Krupp?, German version of Daddy Warbucks and 60 other industrialists and managers. These buggers were put on trial as WAR CRIMINALS. Largely because they mistreated their slave laborers, starved them to death, whipping by the SS etc, etc, etc.
Their defense was similar to Rubashkin's defense.

HEIL RUBASHKIN!!

[harold]

He said the ID claimed he was 18

So for all practical points of view to all people of Postville he was 18 not 14. If there should be any furor it should be for the fact that the boy lied.

Let me ask another question, if this boy were to go into a store and wanted to purchase tobacco and the store owner were to ask for ID and he presented the documents that declared him to be 18 would he be arrested for selling tobacco to the boy since in reality he was 14?

[Shmarya]

Please.

Again with your stupidity.

If a dozen boys purchased cigarettes using fake green cards, then, yes the store owner would be punished.

If one did it, perhaps not.

But what you conveniently forget is that the government regularly sent Rubashkin no match letters – hundreds of them – showing the documents were false. Rubashkin ignored those no match letters.

That would be analogous to the government warning a store owner that the green cards he was accepting as ID to buy cigarettes were forged.

Would the store owner be arrested if, after that notice he again relied on a forged green card to sell cigarettes to minors?

You bet he would.

[sage]

Very apt comparison, Isa !!!!

I'll check with a member of my Synagogue, who served as an interpreter at the Nuremberg Trial, to see if he remembers Krupp.

[harold]

Please.

Again with your stupidity.

I am simply reacting to the story and the facts as were presented - nothing more and nothing less.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Harold, you obviously have never been to a real bar or club on a Friday or Saturday night. Everyone is proofed, even sometimes us obvious grownups. The ID's are closely scrutinized. Most places no longer accept out-of-state driver's licenses as proof. Boston liquor establishments will not accept any out-of-state ID.
Some bouncers and bartenders also want a second ID if there is any doubt. They also quiz you on your birthday, address, etc.

If someone under 21 is served or sold alcohol, it is the club owner's fault. Period.
As Shmarya mentioned, if one kid with an amazingly good set of fake documents gets through, then maybe the club owner could have a valid argument in court. But if there was any pattern whatsoever of repeat acceptance of fake ID's, even good ones, the club owner wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Of course, anything the Rubashkin Crime Family did is ok in your eyes.

[Cheskel]

"Cheskel, you and your fellow hasidim are utterly ignorant of the history of the world 1933-1945. You scream about naziism, blood libels, hitler, etc. and you haven't the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about.

You call IDF soldiers nazis? You are a piece of shit.

You call Rubashkin's trial a blood libel? You are a piece of shit.

You throw hitler's name around at everyone you disagree with?
You are a piece of shit.

In conclusion, your ignorance of Jewish history, American history, and world history results in your stupid utterances, which, compounded by the anger, paranoia and hatred instilled in you by the hasidic ghetto in which you languish, results in you being a piece of shit.

I am sorry to have to call you such a bad name. You can still educate yourself and open your mind, and become a good person. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. Good luck with your decision.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | May 13, 2010 at 06:15 PM""

I didn't call you a Nazi i did call you a self hating Jew. Also, you don't hide your hatred for frum Jews

Its an honor to be called by a self hating Jew like you, the names you spit.

There is a new book out i cant recall the name. He tells of an episode he had with the withe house where he asked David Axelrod if president Obama will play gulf with Rush Limbaugh the response from the withe house was: Rush can play with himself.

Perhaps wsc do the same and you wont be such an angry sad person.

see you on Sunday

[Bill]

Harold,

A jury might find, after taking all the evidence into consideration, that there is no reasonable doubt that Rubashkin had actual knowledge that his workers were minors, even if identification presented said that they were adults.

The jury could also find otherwise.

That is why there is a trial.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Actually Cheskel, YOU are a self hating Jew. YOU hate all Jews who are the slightest bit different than you.
I hate the haters and the ignorant who bring all of Judaism down. I probably have davened next to you in 770 in recent weeks. I'll bet you didn't know it was me.

You can go play golf in the mikvah with Rush Limbaugh.

If you're traveling tonight or tomorrow for Shabbos, have a safe trip, a Gutten Shabbos, and see you next week.

[yidandahalf]

sage, Do you know of Ferencz? He prosecuted Krupp and IG Farben. Also allegedly successfully represented a big shot Nazi wife to hold on to her stolen art loot (got this tale from an immediate family member of his btw). Heard rarely a peep out of him til the 60th liberation of Auschitz anniversary. Guess he had to wait til most of the survivors who had memories of his most lucrative cases, had died off.

[sage]

Haven't heard of him.

But if he prosecuted Krupp and IG Farben, why did he aid a big shot Nazi wife?

Very inconsistent, so it seems.

[harold]

Harold, you obviously have never been to a real bar or club on a Friday or Saturday night

True, I have never been to a bar. The most that I drink is Cream of Malaga. As to the scrutiny that the store owner has to do I have no idea what the law requires from them. However if this boy is able to drag 100lb barrels I could see him pass for 18.

[Bilaam's Ass]

Bill & WSC -well said, you speak for many...

[Dovy]

Cheskel: When my mother calls me 'filthy' (if I forget to shower) and, since I'm Jewish, does that make her a closet-Nazi?

Putz!

[ber]

this shgotz obviously can't count or add up.

he doesn't know the difference between 11 and 90 (the amount of chickens he processed every minute)

he doesn't know the difference between 40 turkeys and 300 turkeys,

he has lied his whole life,

he has been promised help if he testifies against rubashkin,

and yes, he is a shgotz!

[Shmarya]

Shgotz means vermin. And that should tell you enough about Ber.

[yidandahalf]

sage, Not at all inconsistent if you know that family. Had been on A&E and a couple of other shows the last few years when they covered Auschwitz and the Holocaust.

[Isa]

"""Shgotz means vermin. And that should tell you enough about Ber"""

Ber is a jewish'nazi' and this what this whole thing is about.

This is the race theory of Tanya where only Jews (Perhaps only heredi) are considered human
Non-Jews are not human- do not have souls, if you believe that why not set up you own mini slave labor camp.

HEIL RUBASHKIN!
HEIL RUBASHKIN!
NEIL RUBASHKIN!

[Isa]

For our non-Jewish friends here...

Tanya is to Chabad Jews

AS

The Book of Mormon is to the Mormon Church

I am nor saying anything negative about Mormonism either just trying to place a perspective.