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April 07, 2010


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This fencer is bringing honor to the community, let us enjoy his accomplishment, rather than criticize him. The decision to compete must have been gut wrenching. I rather think about him than the Rubashkin's who never lost any sleep over their practices.


Neve Daniel is a city comprised of non-haredi talmidei chachamim. I'm sure that if this kid participated in the event, that the decision was not taken lightly.

Can anyone attempt to explain what melacho(s) he could have violated here? (Answer: none that I know of.) Surely it is not b'ruach haShabbos, but that alone may not be a reason to withdraw from participating.


Well it does sound a bit hypocritical. He campaigned against saturday games and wouldn't play them, but when it came to a once in a lifetime opportunity all his previous beliefs went out the window.
You either claim to keep shabbat and not play on that day or you don't.


It seems to me that the electricity "issue", which I hold differently on that the current standard Orthodox positions, isn't really the big issue involved. If the family made an issue of not competing on Shabbat, this choice (freely theirs to make, of course) is a bit difficult to understand. Will they allow the boy to receive benefit (money? medal?) from the event on Shabbat? Just so that I don't come off as a jerk, I don't think I would have a problem with any of my kids playing in a sports game within the eruv to which they could walk.


Such hypocrisy on this site, Shmarya will post all sorts of things showing how traditional observance is foul and how its adherents are all criminals, but when someone perhaps violates the Sabbath he posts them in a vindictive manner as though they should be prosecuted.
I say, good for the kid.


At least his fencing has nothing to
do with selling stolen merchandise.

who knows?

This is not only violation of electricity rules that were made by the rabbis about 50 years ago, but also vioulation of hard work, which is much older


Scoring is normally done electrically, but for centuries, through different scoring methods, human judges have been used, and still are due to potential problems with the electrically-scoring jackets - and it is equally possible that judges were called in for only his matches, with the agreement of competitors and their coaches; even then it should not be presumed that the matter of electricity was SIMPLY ignored or if principles were applied as with other situations and other electric technologies.

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A tournament in Baku?? Ugh!

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Congrats to Yuval, however I would not call him "a religious or Orthodox fencer".

I see what you did there. You used the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.


Congrats to Yuval, however I would not call him "a religious or Orthodox fencer".

the farshlepte krenk

baruch yhwh

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