State Police Up Presence In Kiryas Joel To Quell Violence

Days of "progressively dangerous" disturbances by hasidic yeshiva students have created a "mob mentality."

State Police beef up presence at KJ; upset villagers may hire an attorney
MidHudsonNews.com

KIRYAS JOEL – State Police say they have daily patrols in the Village of Kiryas Joel in recent days because they want the community to know they are being protected.

The trooper brass also said they won’t tolerate anymore of the large crowds of warring factions in the Hassidic village to congregate, vandalize and overturn vehicles. One car was flipped last weekend during three days of unrest that brought out State and local police in large numbers. 

The latest unrest apparently centers around a disputed wedding that took place, recently.

Monroe State Police Barracks Commander Capt. Steven Nivens Thursday said they need to establish a sense of law and order in the village.

“It has become socially acceptable in KJ to have a mob mentality whenever they get a decision that doesn’t favor one side or the other, they can get a group of 300 to 700 to 1,000 people and cause disturbances and these disturbances are getting progressively more dangerous,” he said.

One resident, Moshe Klein, said people feel “terrorized” by the State Police, who are issuing tickets for vehicle and traffic violations.

“The people here really feel they are being targeted by the State Police now,” he told MidHudsonNews.com.

Another resident, Joel Lieberman, said other communities wouldn’t tolerate what the troopers are doing in Kiryas Joel.

A group in the village is circulating a flyer saying the State Police are conducting a “ticket blitz” and that they are hiring an attorney to fight it.

Comments

[critical minyan]

these guys are not truly happy unless they put themselves in a ghetto and bring around uniformed officers to keep them in line.
that for them, is the ikar of yahudis.

[tirhe]

they complain for what they themselfs bought on themselfs have they no shame this is what happenes when they make fools of themselfs they take others for fools also they think the police should tolorate their antics forever

[harold]

It’s about time that they deal with the disturbances. I don't know much about KJ but from my read there are well defined trouble spots. Instead of riding around town (giving out tickets?) they should have patrol cars stationed near the trouble spots (not completely in their faces, but close enough).

I don't know the state of technology, but I do have an internet based web cam in my mother's apartment (Linksys WVC54GCA Webcam) so I can look in on her. It also emails me a picture whenever she enters the kitchen (15 min interval).

If I can do this with a $100 camera I think a police department could rig up portable cams near trouble spots that could be monitored at some central station.

[effie]

"“The people here really feel they are being targeted by the State Police now,” he told MidHudsonNews.com."

They are and good for the police. When people are driving to an area to cause trouble and commit a moving or parking violation, ticket them. It will encourage them to stay away and not start trouble.

[Paul Freedman]

comments on voz is neis suggest the "ticket blitz" is an old police tactic to get loiterers off the streets--to stop impromptu flash mobs parking their cars by the curb lookin for mischief

[WoolSilkCotton]

Let them try spitting at the police, or throwing dirty diapers at them.

[effie]

If they don't commit a traffic or vehicle violation, they can't get ticketed. So, they really have no complaint.

[Sol]

The residents of KJ and also New Square need to learn control of themselves and stay in their homes at night, instead of rioting. My tax dollars are being spent on police staff because these "children" can't get along. If they can't live peacefully side by side, how can they expect to live peacefully in the world?

Let the police do whatever they can to calm down the natives. And, they complain about police, yet they call them when things get unruly.

[harold]

Out of curiousity, how big does a town/village/city have to be before they can have their own police department?

[Norm]

Is a there a New York State Politician with the balls to stop the rampant welfare fraud in this zoo?

[Paul Freedman]

no too big outside of NY at least--I live in a Falls Church city in Virginia with 1,100 residents and we have a very nice independent sheriffs/police department thank you very much.

Watch the speed limits when passing through.

[David P]

More than 300 cases of mumps reported in Monsey, New Square
By Jane Lerner • jlerner@lohud.com • February 6, 2010

MONSEY — More than 300 people in Rockland have been diagnosed with the mumps even as a cluster, which started last summer at an upstate camp for Jewish boys and turned into the largest outbreak nationwide in years, continues, health officials said.

A total of 303 cases have been diagnosed in Rockland, Commissioner of Health Joan Facelle said.

Just about all local cases of the highly infectious disease are among Orthodox Jewish and Hasidic residents of Monsey and New Square, she said.

"We are hoping that we are past the peak," Facelle said. "But it's too soon to tell."

The county Health Department is continuing to work with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as well as state health officials to try to contain the outbreak.

The Rockland Department of Health is also reaching out to community leaders, including rabbis and yeshiva directors to stress the importance of immunization, Facelle said.

The outbreak started in August in a Sullivan County summer camp for Orthodox boys, according to the CDC.

Health officials traced the outbreak to an 11-year-old camper, who had recently returned from England, where at least 4,000 people have come down with the disease.

That camper spread the illness to 25 others at the camp, ranging in age from 9-30, with a median age of 12, according to the CDC.

When the campers went home, they apparently brought the disease with them to Jewish communities in Rockland and Orange counties, the Borough Park section of Brooklyn, Lakewood, N.J., and Quebec, where numerous cases have been reported since September.

The CDC said that the cases that started at the summer camp are the largest U.S. mumps outbreak since 2006 and the largest in New York state since 2005.

Corinna Manini, a family practitioner and medical director of Refuah, a state-funded health clinic in New Square, said doctors are continuing to diagnose more cases of mumps.
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"We can't tell yet if it's leveling off," she said.

The clinic is stressing the importance of proper vaccination to protect against the disease, she said.

Many people seeking treatment at Refuah have been vaccinated against mumps, she said. The vaccines are thought to be 85 percent effective during an outbreak.

Mumps is caused by a virus that usually spreads through saliva and can infect many parts of the body, especially the salivary glands. It can lead to inflammation and swelling of the brain and other organs. It can cause deafness and leave men sterile.

The vaccine, which also protects against measles and rubella, is given in two doses: one when a child is 12 months old and the other between the ages of 4 and 6 or when the child begins kindergarten.

At least 60 percent of the people in Rockland who have gotten mumps during the current outbreak had not been fully immunized, Facelle said.

Mumps were common before the vaccine became available. In 2008, there were only two reported cases in Rockland, according to the Department of Health's year-end communicable disease report.

The swine flu epidemic resulted in 583 confirmed cases of influenza being reported in Rockland during 2009, according to the report.

That made influenza type A the most common communicable disease reported in Rockland last year.

The second most common was chlamydia, a sexually transmitted disease.

A total of 578 cases were reported in 2009, a slight dip from 2008, when 592 cases were reported.

The next most common illness was Lyme disease, with 249 cases, a drop from 2008, when 489 cases were reported.

The fourth most common communicable disease was Hepatitis C, with 203 cases in 2009, up from 162 in 2008.

Next Page1| 2Previous Page Mumps facts
What is mumps? Mumps is an acute viral disease characterized by fever, swelling and tenderness of one or more of the salivary glands, which includes the parotid gland just below the front of the ear.
How is mumps spread? Mumps is transmitted by direct contact with saliva and discharges from the nose and throat of infected individuals.
What are the symptoms of mumps? Symptoms of mumps include fever, headache, muscle aches, tiredness and loss of appetite, followed by swelling and tenderness of one or more of the salivary glands, usually the parotid gland. About a third of infected people do not have apparent swelling in their salivary glands.
How soon after infection do symptoms occur? The incubation period is usually 16 to 18 days, although it may vary from 12 to 25 days.
What complications have been associated with mumps? Severe complications are rare. Mumps can cause inflammation of the brain and tissue covering the brain and spinal cord, inflammation of the testicles, ovaries or breasts, and spontaneous abortions and deafness, which is usually permanent.
When and for how long is a person able to spread mumps? Mumps is contagious three days before and nine days after the onset of symptoms.
Does past infection with mumps make a person immune? Yes. Immunity acquired after contracting the disease is usually long term.
Is there a vaccine for mumps? Yes. The mumps vaccine, which is contained in the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine, can prevent this disease. One dose of mumps vaccine will be effective in approximately 80 percent of people vaccinated, but two doses of mumps vaccine will be effective in approximately 90 percent of people. If you do not know if you have been vaccinated or had mumps disease diagnosed by a physician, vaccination is recommended.
What can be done to prevent the spread of mumps? The most effective control measure is maintaining the highest level of immunization in the community. People with mumps should remain at home during the infectious period.

Source: New York Department of Health

■Mumps cases still rising in Rockland

[nobody]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did the kiryath yoel crowd learn from the meah shaarim rioters or did the meah shaarim rioters learn from the kiryath yoel nuts?

[nachos]

I don't know the state of technology, but I do have an internet based web cam in my mother's apartment (Linksys WVC54GCA Webcam) so I can look in on her. It also emails me a picture whenever she enters the kitchen (15 min interval).

Posted by: harold | February 05, 2010 at 11:40 AM
This sounds pretty twisted on many levels. If your mother needs to be watched so closely, then shouldn't she be living with you. Otherwise, why not just call her.

[harold]

Otherwise, why not just call her.

She can manage on her own , but it is nice to be able to look in on her to make sure everything is all right. My brother and I did offer that she move in with us but she refuses to let go of her independence. The technology was there so for $100 I figured why not.

If a mother (or father) goes into a child's bedroom to see if everything is ok should one say that "in that case have the child sleep with you"? I live quite some distance from her and can't very well tell her to boot up a computer and start Skpe so I can talk and see her. This was a wonderfull stand alone solution. What is twisted is to try to read something in a situation where there is nothing to read into.

Anyway, what makes you think that I don't call her?

[WoolSilkCotton]

Harold, those of us with elderly parents understand what you said at 8:58, and agree with your installation of that webcam in your mother's apartment.

It wasn't even necessary to dignify the 9:44 remark with a response.

[Adam Neira]

Mar Samuel stated in his interpretation of Jeremiah's prophecies that we are commanded to "Seek the welfare of the nation you dwell in !" i.e. The better the patriot the better the Jew.

You would think of all people the Satmars of Kiryas Joel would understand this. We are witnessing before our very eyes the unfolding of the prophecy of all people turning to G-d/the good. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance around as people are not quite aware that truth is pouring into the zeitgeist. G-d will not be denied. The redemption or counter-balancing has actually been happening since 1998.

What is accepted as the "good" and what constitutes good law making, interpretation and enforcement is the key.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Adam, I believe that Satmar interprets the posik as "Seek the Welfare Office of the nation you dwell in".

[R]

WSC lol.
I don't really see what these KJ people think. If they start trouble and call in the police to help deal with the crazies, then they need to accept that the police aren't going to wait for another violent riot, they will stick themselves in their faces and so they should.
They act like a bunch of animals, they really need to be locked up in a zoo. I guess all they need to do is put fencing up around KJ and have a keeper at the one locked door.

[Yakira]

This is America not Israel and the NY state and local police don't take BS from anybody. If the residents don't want the State police harassing them in their neighborhood with stupid traffic tickets then they better behave themselves. If you don't act like a fool then maybe the State police will take up camp elsewhere. Some of the residents brought the State police into their neighborhood by acting barbaric- State police are known for being very stringent.

[WoolSilkCotton]

R, there is already a metaphysical barbed wire fence around that town.
Wouldn't be much of a stretch to put up a physical fence, and then rename the town 'NY State Psychiatric Institute- Orange County Division'.

[J.J. Mari]

finally they were handed traffic tickets! For a day and a half as I recall seeing - after that day - no patrols in their area whatsoever. Just everyone that did not look like an Hasidic. No bearded men just to be certain I suppose. Who is getting paid off? That is my Real Question - and why are the rest in government and beyond allowing it.

I live in Bakertown road, and i see the KJ women walking across this street - 20 feet from 'their' side of it to dump bags of garbage. and the driving!! If there is a car stopped in front of them they fly into the oncoming lane whether there are oncoming cars or not - driving as if it's a who gets there first instead of different lanes for different directions.

i have been PUSHED into the guard rail 3 times the previous winter - by their 'school buses' which are really their solution to the court stating no public transport buses in this small area... i first moved here thinking:"oh how nice! - good God-fearing people".
Now i know better after incident after incident.
everything that doesn't go their way they cry racism... i literally caught one white-bearded KJ man.. well out of puberty mind you... sitting in a van outside my kitchen window. As i walked up to see if he needed assistance immediately saw that he didn't. - he was masturbating as he watched a DVD play on the passenger seat. Then he tried to argue that there was no sign designating this a Private Side Street (what?) and proceeded to try and back over my tiny dog before he 'pulled out' yelling obscenities all the way down the street. So very nice.

I'd like to know who's pockets in the this county and state are lined with money as abandoned houses lit aflame instead of knocked down, (last case was only 3 houses down from mine!)- termed 'Jewish-Lightening' by the local fire departments (i heard 2 Hassidic men arguing over who's home was burning, each man claimed it was His House!)... they push cars off the road and damage property, people, lives! then walk away telling YOU to get (pay for) the police report the coming Monday.

no scruples.. always going to that race card 90% of the 50 incidents i have personally witnessed or been a part of in the last 4-5 years.. married women receiving single-woman with 4-11 children benefits from Medicaid... drivers with no idea of how to well, drive. For they act the same in front of troopers as they do unseen - and only Once have i seen a cop pull them over for dangerous maneuvers done right in front of them!

i have a vehicle inspection sticker overdue one day i get pulled over after Mass.

It's a real shame.
When we allow this kind of behavior or overlook it or get paid off to do so.. we are indeed perpetuating racism. Anytime an action or non-action is over looked BECAUSE of their race - that IS racism. At this moment in time it is in their favor, in KJ's favor. And the rest of us who do not belong to that community must pick up the slack of their non-ticketed community in terms of ticket-quotas that will still be met if not with any of their names in the to: column but the rest of us.

not to mention the injuries due to allowing the type of driving they do not seem to even know is dangerous - not to mention all the house fires that are set where people live next door - NY State is not doing well financially eh?

hmm..
i bet a few people are doing Very Very Well! - as for the rest of us.. is anybody in The Central Valley or Orange County as a whole THAT surprised? I mean really?

sad. on all fronts, just so very sad indeed.

- J.J