Hasid Rushing To See Hospitalized Mother Runs Down Boy

Boy in critical condition. Hasid cooperating with police.

New Square man charged with assault after boy struck by car
BY JANE LERNER • LoHud.com

NEW SQUARE — A 35-year-old man, who police said drove a car that struck and critically injured a 4-year-old boy as he crossed the street with his mother last week, was charged Wednesday with assault and reckless endangerment.

Reuven Bayer of New Square turned himself in to Ramapo police and was arraigned in Ramapo Town Court. He posted $25,000 cash bail shortly after the hearing, Ramapo police said.

Bayer is facing a felony assault charge, misdemeanor counts of reckless endangerment and reckless driving and numerous traffic violations, Ramapo police Lt. Mark Emma said.

"His actions were clearly reckless," Emma said.

Bayer told investigators that he was in a hurry because he had just gotten a telephone call at his home that his mother was ill and had been admitted to Mount Sinai Hospital in Manhattan. He was headed to New York City to visit his mother when the crash took place.

Police said Bayer was headed west on Washington Avenue in a 2004 Chevrolet minivan at 5:10 p.m. Jan. 28. Bayer crossed over the center line, passed two vehicles stopped at a stop sign at the Bush Lane intersection, failed to stop and struck the boy, who was crossing the street with his mother, who was pushing a baby carriage.

Investigators determined that Bayer was not talking on his cell phone at the time of the crash. He called Hatzolah Ambulance Corps to assist the child. The boy was removed from the scene before police arrived, Emma said.

The child was taken to Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, where he is being treated for head trauma, bleeding to the brain, a fractured pelvis and bruising to the lung. He is in critical but stable condition.

Bayer has been cooperating with police, Emma said.

He was also charged with passing a stop sign, unsafe passing, failure to yield to a pedestrian, failure to maintain lane, passing a vehicle stopped to yield to a pedestrian, failure to exercise caution and failure to keep right, all violations. He is scheduled to appear in Ramapo Town Court at 2 p.m. Monday.

[Hat Tip: CS.]

Comments

[Mr. Apikorus]

This is taking Hasid-bashing to a new low. A guy gets into a car accident, and of course the fact that he's hasidic goes in the headline.

Substitute "Jew" for "Hasid" and you've got a piece for Der Stuermer. Note that the Lower Hudson News, no friend to Hasidim, didn't mention that the man was Hasidic, although one could tell from the context that he probably was.

[MarkfromShortHills]

I don't know that I would consider this to be "Hasid-bashing", but from the facts it seems that someone in a hurry drove recklessly, hurt someone, called an ambulence (i.e. acted responsibly) and faces appropriate criminal charges. What is so newsworthy about this?

[Bill]

I'm not sure why the driver had to "turn himself in."

I'm sure he waited at the scene until the police arrived.

Did they let him go initially? Did he flee?

[seymour]

Mr. Apikorus

I agree

[Isa]

This is NOT about somebody speeding a little bit.
This is about somebody who willfully blew through a stop sign without even their rear brake lights coming on, even passed cars that were stopped at the stop sign.
I have seen crazy drivers here in Texas but THAT tops anything I have seen.

This is also about somebody who thinks the law does not apply to them.

[PulpitRabbi]

Mr. Apikorus, Mr. Seymour,

I agree, too.

Mr(s). Isa,

Nobody denies your point. But what makes this particularly newsworthy?

[yankele]

Isa,

This is a tragic story that happens all the time. BUT I think the religious persuasion of the person plays no part in this.

If you haven't experienced this yet, may I suggest you spend ten minutes in front of ANY HOSPITAL in America and I think you'll see the other true "miracle of child birth." All the near collisions and missed pedestrians as husbands jump stop signs and red lights, drive on the wrong side of the road, and recklessly speed on their way to the labor and delivery unit.

(From Personal experience, I was nearly smashed into by a Hummer that jumped a red light, swerved to avoid a pedestrian, almost hit me as I was pulling out of the labor and delivery parking lot with my 3-year-old after my wife delivered our second. Oh, the driver of the Hummer stopped his car and was about to get into a fight with some guy who didn't want to get out of his way, Until his wife yelled, "Ralph, I am about to have a baby." Instead, Ralph threw his water bottle at the driver as he resumed his reckless journey to the emergency room.)

[Yochanan Lavie]

His religious affiliation would only be relevent if (say) he was rushing home for Shabbat.

[Yerachmiel Lopin]

Shmarya,

To make this newsworthy you have to argue that this is part of a broader pattern where this sort of reckless driving is more common in more common in certain communities. If that was your premise you need to present more facts to support the view. I suspect that reckless driving is a big problem in the frum world, but you need to present more facts to make the case.

[Shmarya]

I'm not arguing any position.

The headline accurately represents the story – for Mr. A's information, New Square is 100% hasidic.

I also believe the child is hasidic, BTW.

And, if you read the sub-head – in Mr. A's case, s-l-o-w-l-y and several times, you might notice that it says the hasid is cooperating with police.

Now look at the LoHud headline. Everyone reading it in the area knows the driver is a hasid. Does that headline say the driver cooperated with police?

No.

It says he was charged with assault.

Does the LowHud headline mention the hasidi's mother or give any other reason for his reckless driving?

No. But my headline does.

In other words, you have a bad accident. I made sure to clearly note exculpatory (look it up, Mr. A) information about the hasid. LowHud did not.

But, instead of thanking me for that, you attack me for bias?

The evidence is against you, Mr. A. Too bad what passes for your brain will never be able to see that.

[WoolSIlkCotton]

Perhaps this is more indicative of who you're dealing with on the roads in hasidic areas:

http://www.lohud.com/article/
20100204/OPINION/2040349/-1/
newsfront/Show-respect-to-funeral-procession

"...As we reached Monsey on Route 306, we became outraged at the actions of some members of this community. For a religious group who firmly believes in the right to participate in a religious ritual without bias, ridicule or interruption, some in this community acted disgracefully. Drivers cut off cars in the funeral procession, including the limousines behind the hearse; they yelled, hollered and laughed at us as we drove by..."

[harold]

This is taking Hasid-bashing to a new low. A guy gets into a car accident, and of course the fact that he's hasidic goes in the headline

BINGO! How many accidents occur involving reckless endangerment? This is being "reported" only to give a subliminal message to the FailedMessianits that Haradi = Evil.

As they say, how low can you go.

[Shmarya]

how low can you go.

Hard to get lower than you, 'harold.'

[Shmarya]

I went over to VIN to see how they reported the story. VIN censored the hasid's name and made other changes to the stories (yes, stories, PLURAL) they posted on this accident.

One of those stories concludes with a request to say tehillim (psalms) for the boy and gives his Jewish name.

Everyone reading VIN (except, perhaps for a handful of stray new readers) knows New Square = 100% hasidic, and they know the victims is a hasidic child, as well.

Should VIN not have reported the story?

Of course not. Why? In what passes for 'harold's' mind or Apikorus's, VIN can report the story because no one would think VIN is anti-haredi, but I cannot report the story because I am anti-haredi.

Meanwhile, WSC posted above a link to a letter published today on LowHud (and reprinted in full on VIN) written by a non-haredi complaining about haredi behavior in – gasp! – the New Square area toward a non-haredi funeral procession.

So deal with it.

Don't like the hasid headline? Fix what appears to be a common problem in haredi-land. Then you won't see headlines like this.

And please, 'harold', don't come back until you do.

As for Mr. A, don't come back until you learn to write comments without Nazi references, and until you actually learn how to process and understand what you read.

[Bill]

I don't think Hassidim are worse drivers than other groups, although I have no hard data to back this up one way or the other.

[Mr. Apikorus]

Scotty, you're an immature little boy who can't take criticism.

No wonder you're not a rabbi. Would you challenge the members of your congregation to a fistfight? I wonder how long you'd last, be the synagogue Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, or Reconstructionist. I suspect your excommunication from Chabad had little if anything to do with Ethiopian Jews, and a lot to do with your defective personality.

And yes, your blog has become an anti-Haredi screed. I never thought I'd be defending the ultra-Orthodox but you've put me in a position where basic fairness requires me to do so.

Auf wiedersehen, and get a job.

[David]

I agree with Mr. Apikorus. This is like "Black Man Runs Down Boy." Is it relevant that he is black? No. Does it mention the boy is also black? No.

[David]

That is, Mr. A's first comment. Not necessarily his second one...

[Shmarya]

This is like "Black Man Runs Down Boy." Is it relevant that he is black? No. Does it mention the boy is also black? No.

Then have you complained to VIN about publishing multiple stories on this?

And does the reported behavior of haredi drivers with regard to that non-haredi funeral procession play into your calculation?

Of course not and of course not.

[harold]

This was the original VIN story.

New Square, NY - Ramapo police said a 4-year-old boy was seriously injured Thursday when a man in a minivan passed three stopped vehicles, crossed the double yellow lines and drove through a stop sign, striking the child as he crossed the street with his mother.

The boy was listed in stable but critical condition Thursday night.

Police would not provide the victim's name, but said the boy was rushed to Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla by Hatzolah Ambulance Corps with head injuries.

Police said they had not charged the driver as of Thursday night.

They would not release his name, but said the driver was 35 years old and from New Square

Please say Tehilim for Shlomo Zalka Ben Chana Ruchel Serel

The tone and tenor of the story to the VIN reader is the unfortunate injury to the boy. If you note the story ends with a request to say tehilim for the child.

EVERY FailedMessianite knows the reason for the FM post. It is not because a frum child was injured, it is because the driver was a Chassid and the subliminal message that Chassid = Evil.

If the child was struck by a non-Jew VIN would still have posted the story but FM would not! That is the critical difference!

[Shmarya]

Scotty, you're an immature little boy who can't take criticism.

I take more criticism in a day than you've taken in your life.

No wonder you're not a rabbi. Would you challenge the members of your congregation to a fistfight? I wonder how long you'd last, be the synagogue Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, or Reconstructionist.

I challenged a boorish braggart who repeatedly whines that other commenters are stalking him, investigating him and threatening him – all without a shred of evidence, I might add – to a BOXING match, in a gym, with gloves, headgear and a referee. You turned me down.

I suspect your excommunication from Chabad had little if anything to do with Ethiopian Jews, and a lot to do with your defective personality.

Could be. Who knows. At least I saved lives and took real risks to do so – something you've never done and, judging from your online personality, never will do.

And yes, your blog has become an anti-Haredi screed. I never thought I'd be defending the ultra-Orthodox but you've put me in a position where basic fairness requires me to do so.

You're not defending them. You saw a safe opportunity to attack me and, like the cyber-bully you are (and schoolyard bully you used to be), you took it.

Auf wiedersehen, and get a job.

How very Nazi of you.

[Shmarya]

The tone and tenor of the story to the VIN reader is the unfortunate injury to the boy. If you note the story ends with a request to say tehilim for the child.

EVERY FailedMessianite knows the reason for the FM post. It is not because a frum child was injured, it is because the driver was a Chassid and the subliminal message that Chassid = Evil.

I took a LowHud report and SOFTENED it with my headline and subhead.

I made prominent the hasid's reason for speeding and driving recklessly and I made prominent the hasid's cooperation with police.

What really = evil? The incessant need for haredim and their apologists to hate the other, to find fault with every messenger, and to avoid truth. And 'harold' is a prime example of it.

[effie]

I think it's good to report stories like this. It reminds people to drive more carefully.

[harold]

I still stand by my statement that ->

"If the child was struck by a non-Jew VIN would still have posted the story but FM would not"

[Maskil]

How VIN or any other report listed the headline is not relevant.

You don't make postings like "Hiloni Murders Fellow Soldier" or "Gentile Arrested for Rape." Even when "everyone knows that this murderer is a Hiloni and that so is his victim..." that's a load of bulshit and you've used it as a reason for not putting such words in your headlines. How would you react if the local news paper listed this story as "Jew Rushing to See Mother" etc.? Wouldn't you write to the editor? Have you no shame of your own?

[Shmarya]

I still stand by my statement that ->

"If the child was struck by a non-Jew VIN would still have posted the story but FM would not"

If you look through the archives you'll find posts asking for people to pray for or do mitzvahs for sick and injured people, almost always haredim.

[Shmarya]

You don't make postings like "Hiloni Murders Fellow Soldier" or "Gentile Arrested for Rape."

But if you read any ethnic press you'll see that people outside the group are usually labeled as such, and people inside the group are also labeled if their 'insideness' isn't clear.

So you'll find headlines like "Upper East Side man runs down Harlem boy," in papers like the Amsterdam News. Everyone reading knows the Upper East Side Man is an outsider and the Harlem boy is an insider.

If you read the haredi press, especially the Yiddish haredi press, you'll see this taken to an extreme.

The point is, identity of the man was clear to the readers of LowHud. But his identity was not clear to many of my readers.

The LowHud headline is the equivalent of saying "Hasidic Jew…"

The difference, again, is that I QUALIFIED the hasid's actions by showing in my headline and subhead why he was rushing and pointing out he cooperated with police.

LowHud did not do that.

[harold]

If you look through the archives you'll find posts asking for people to pray for or do mitzvahs for sick and injured people, almost always haredim.

That being said, everyone, if you believe that saying tehilim helps then
please say tehilim for Shlomo Zalka Ben Chana Ruchel Serel.

[Yakira]

This is just a really sad and unfortunate event. I really hope that the little boy will be able to recover and live a long life without serious injuries. Regardless of how much time he may get in prison, nobody wins in this situation. I can only imagine that this guy was seriously worried and devastated about his mother's illness; however, that does not excuse his reckless driving but it does put things into perspective. I wish the best for both families.

[David]

"Then have you complained to VIN about publishing multiple stories on this?"

I have no idea what VIN reports, as I don't read it. But from what I have read here, it sounds like it carries a lot of pretty reprehensible and racist comment. Is that the standard against which you believe you should be judged?

"And does the reported behavior of haredi drivers with regard to that non-haredi funeral procession play into your calculation?"

No idea what you're talking about. But if a black man hit a funeral procession of whites and then acted disrespectfully, would it then be relevant that he was black? I don't think so, at least not to the press, and it wouldn't be used as an excuse for a headline of "Black Man Runs Down Boy" in an unrelated incident.

[David]

And I suggest you tone it down and give some thought to all this. You're in danger of alienating a whole lot of people (like me) who are generally supportive of you and this blog and who are certainly not interested in hiding or defending religious miscreants. Your credibility is at stake here, and your enemies are probably already gloating and salivating.

[MarkfromShortHills]

I have read and re-read all the comments on this story, with the following result:
1. This was clearly the sort of story that merits publication in a local publication, such as LoHud.
2. LoHud did not publish enough information to give its readership context on what happened and who acted how.
3. It would make sense for someone to quote the LoHud article and to demonstrate what had been omitted from it and how the headline was prejudicial.
4. But, that was not the subject of this posting. This posting made an event that was locally newsworthy into a national story. But, as a news article, this is really only significant at a local level. Hasids get into accidents (as perpetrators and as victims) all the time, and articles about such accidents are not (usually, anyway!) reported nationally.

From this, I just have to scratch my head and wonder what I asked before: what is the point of posting this?

[WoolSIlkCotton]

If the driver was not Jewish, the religious crowd (i.e. VIN) would be demanding his blood.
But since he's one of them, they accept his excuse of being in a rush to go visit his mother in the hospital. Would they be so understanding if he wasn't Jewish?

And the same crowd is criticizing the Catholic community for 'scheduling' the funeral procession through the area on a Friday afternoon.

[Shmarya]

David –

Please.

VIN already made it a national story.

Past that obvious point, VIN is a hasidic-run haredi news site. It felt it important enough to post several times on it.

I posted once. My headline and subhead give far more mitigating context than LowHud (or VIN, for that matter). And I did not in any way comment on the hasid's actions.

Past all that, lets deal with your black man runs down boy crap.

As any observer of the haredi world can verify, safety issues are far from important to haredim. Haredim notoriously circumvent fire and building codes and ignore traffic laws.

The letter cited above by WoolSilkCotton has haredim (note the PLURAL, as opposed to the singular) cutting in and out of a non-haredi funeral procession, laughing at mourners and insulting them, too.

I could easily have made this story a story about haredi safety code violations and similar lawbreaking. But I didn't.

Why?

Because I know what it's like to get a phone call about a parent being rushed to the hospital.

I've always chosen to stay within safe limits in those circumstances, but I fully understand the strong impulse felt to ignore traffic laws.

The problem with my post, it seems, is that most of you understand neither.

[mika]

This is an absolutely vile post, it's a bit like visiting Stormfront and seeing "Jew runs over toddler".

If a Muslim ran over the child, would you headline it "Imam rushing to hospital..." etc

I used to think this blog was fair to all, now I think the blogger is just consumed by hatred for the Other (in this case Hasidim).

Funny that the blogger then has the chutzpah to criticise Hasidim for hating the Other!

[Shmarya]

Please.

One thing is clear, and it isn't your mind.

[BaltimoreYid]

I am sad & sickened by this tragedy. It does however reiterate the point that cars can be weapons in the wrong hands. I can not say that poor driving skills are a problem only in the frum world but I challenge any of you to be here in Jewish Baltimore between 7:30-8:30am. The car pool mothers drive as though they have no regard for anyone else on the road. I have told many a bad driver in our community that it reflects badly on all of us when a yid drives recklessly. Sad to say human behavior only seems to change in light of a tragedy such as this one. A gut Shabbos.

[harold]

02/04/2010 06:23 PM
Brooklyn Students Warn Neighbors About House Fire
By: NY1 News

Students in Brooklyn were hailed for their quick thinking after fire broke out on their block today.

A two-alarm fire broke out on the second floor of a home on East 35th Street in Midwood.

Residents on the ground floor were unaware of it at first, but students on recess outside Yeshiva Tiferes Yisroel, a nearby Jewish school, saw the smoke, went to the scene and called 911.

One of the students ran into the house to alert those inside.

"One house, there was a lady with her, she grabbed her kid. We told her there was a fire, so she thought there was something burning upstairs. She grabbed her kid, and she got her dog out," said student Danny Toiv. "The dog ran back in and they pulled him out. I don't know what happened to the dog. They were giving him oxygen."

The mother and her daughter came to the school later to thank the students.

http://www.ny1.com/7-brooklyn-news-content/top_stories/113196/brooklyn-students-warn-neighbors-about-house-fire

[Mr. Apikorus]

I saw this on TV. Funny how this story, in which Haredi yeshiva bochurim were heroes, didn't make it into this blog. Must have been an oversight, nicht wahr?

Hope the dog is OK.

Hat tip: Harold

[Shmarya]

I saw this on TV. Funny how this story, in which Haredi yeshiva bochurim were heroes, didn't make it into this blog. Must have been an oversight, nicht wahr?

No, you freaking Nazi slime. If you were smart – which you're not – or honest – which you're not – you might have noticed the story was posted on NY1's website only about one hour ago.

You might also have noticed the vide is not embeddable, meaning all I could do is post the brief written story, which isn't nearly as good as the video.

But you are the Nazi scum that you are.

[harold]

You might also have noticed the vide is not embeddable, meaning all I could do is post the brief written story, which isn't nearly as good as the video.

Well here it is.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7257700

[WoolSilkCotton]

Getting back to our haredi driver going to visit his mother in the hospital-- was he planning to drive like a wreckless maniac all the way to Mt. Sinai Hospital in Manhattan?

[kasha varnishkas]

I think you're nuts!! Much ado about not enough. And you attack Shmarya?? You are hateful bastards.

[Jerome Soller]

Mr. Apikorus, Mr. Seymour, and others,
I agree with you. I don't see how this is newsworthy, as it seems like Hasid bashing. A person under stress drives recklessly to visit an ill relative. I plan to say tehillim for all of them, the driver, the victim, and the mother (don't know names).

[Mr. Apikorus]

Mr. Rosenberg:

You should seriously consider removing your post of 6:50 PM yesterday in which you labeled me "freaking Nazi slime."

People have been successfully sued for libel and defamation for a lot less.

[Shmarya]

Mr. :Freaking Nazi Slime" –

You're not using your real name. You're hiding behind an Internet persona. You – meaning the real you, the cowardly, weak, bully with heavy Nazi affections – have no standing to sue.

You've been told this several times before, of course, but as is your intellectual wont, you ignored it.

Anyway, please feel free to sue me. Even if you had standing (and you certainly do not) you'll never win.

Why?

Because truth, Herr Apikorus, is an absolute defense.

[David]

Shmarya,

I don't know why you have to be so hostile and aggressive with me. It's quite shocking and hurtful actually. And it makes me kind of wonder...which I'm sure is not your intention.

Your experience with the emotions involved in receiving a phone call from the hospital are irrelevant. As, once again, is this connection with VIN on which you keep harping. What they said or did is irrelevant - I don't read VIN nor have any interest into what they have made or not made into a national story (presumably meaning national within the small teacup in which they operate).

And again, since what I've read in your columns makes me think that VIN is regularly full of racist crap, why would you use them as the standard by which you wish to be judged??

[Shmarya]

Please.

I'm simply pointing out that VIN covered the accident much more extensively than I did and, because VIN is not Monsey-based and has a national readership, it made the story national and did so before I did – meaning most, if not all, of you complaints against me are not valid.

[David]

"Sorry for being so hostile and aggressive David, I realize it wasn't called for."

[David]

I still don't understand all this stuff about VIN. If VIN jumps off a cliff, would you do it too? If they publish racist garbage, does that make it OK for you?

Is your idea here that if VIN has a headline saying "Hasid..." that somehow provides cover for you? If that's so, then please explain your rationale here. I didn't realize you were just a news service for and about the Chareidi community. Is that the claim you;re trying to make here?

[Shmarya]

No. The claim I'm making is that your displeasure is misplaced.

[chabadnik attorney]

I for one have no problem disagreeing with Shmarya.

That being said, what the heck is the problem with the post. Shmarya went out of his way to point out that the person was "Rushing To See Hospitalized Mother" and that he is "cooperating with police". To say its not news worthy or disagreeing that it makes sense for Shmarya to post it, fine, but to vilify him over it? That is a bunch of BS. If Shmarya wanted to demonize the Chosid in this case the headline could have been (and maybe even should have been) a lot less favorable to the Chosid.

Here is my take and I will not be as gracious as Shmarya was:

1. The driver acted recklessly and illegally.

2. He acted selfishly with an utter disregard for the safety of others.

3. He placed the importance of being at the hospital for his mother over the importance of the lives of others.

Here is where it gets real.

4. I lived in Monsey for 2.5 years and too many people there and in other religious communities drive like animals.

5. The errand the are running is worth risking the life and limb of themselves, their passengers, pedestrians and the occupants of other vehicles.

More real

6. People in these communities (our people) have an utter disregard (if not contempt)for the law and society outside of their family and community.

7. People use religiosity as a Trump card to excuse all kinds of illegal, unethical and immoral behavior.

8. It is arguably because of this contempt and "Trump card" feeling of superiority that has spoiled us and made us of the mind frame that we are above the conforms of society.

9. So what happens is that you can excuse speeding and running a red light when late on a Friday rush not to violate Shabboss. You will risk the lives of yourself and others because you are on this mission.

10. That state of being becomes route so that when your mother is in the hospital you can blow by two cars and a stop sign to get to her more quickly.

11. Sadly this time the consequences were dire and the lesson hard learned.

12. It seems this Chosid learned a lesson and has remorse so he gets credit for that. But the story and the lesson is certainly news worthy and Shmarya's presentation of it was a class act.

The above was the toned down version.

[chabadnik attorney's client]

Where he was going, and why he was going there is irrelevant. people of all backgrounds at times run stop signs. usually by mistake or due to a distraction- it happens. when and if this occurs, and someone is injured the proper thing to do is to stop and phone the authorities. sounds like thats exactly what happened. it also sounds like this man has a decent sense of responsibility and respect for the law.

[Mr. Apikorus]

CA, if somebody drove 70 in a 35 and ran a red light because it was Rosh Ahoma, the person's religion would be a significant part of the story. If, on the other hand, that person were a secular Jew or a Christian, there would be no need for him to drive recklessly in order to get home by sundown, so religion wouldn't be a factor.

Same thing goes for anyone going to visit someone in the hospital. A few minutes longer on the road isn't going to affect the outcome.

This story could have been told like that of any other non-celebrity reckless driver, without mentioning the man's ethnicity or religion (most people could figure it out anyway based upon the fact that he lived in New Square).

If the little boy recovers, the man probably won't see the inside of a jail cell. He will, on the other hand, have to use public transportation for awhile and he'll have a whole lot of points to work off.

[Seek]

The Hasidic Jews live in a real-life "Pleasantville" in which people, especially youth, are kept in utter ignorance of and contempt toward the outside world. Maybe if these inbred freaks actually experienced the "other" people, they would learn something about being human.

Incidentally, I'm Jewish -- very modern Jewish.