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January 17, 2010

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danny

What is the story with the "boys choirs"? I've read many references to it, usually laced with some type of sexual innuendo.

critical_minyan

@danny
according to a hardline interpretation of Jewish law it is prohibited to a woman sing, because it leads to erotic thoughts in the men listening to it.
As a result, similar to shakespearean times, the soprano role in Jewish songs, usually filled by a woman is sung by pre-pubescent boys in a choir.
This begs the question, "if singing by a woman incites lustful thoughts in the sexually repressed charedi listener, does singing by a young boy do the same?"

CHAIM

THANKS FOR POSTING THE STORY I AM AMAZED THAT THE BP OLIM KNEW ABOUT THIS MOLESTOR FOR SO MANY YEARS AND THE REBBES DID NOTHING MABY ITS TIME TO ARREST THE RABBIS WHO PROTECT THE ANIMALS

shneerhere

If it was 'really well known in the community' and 'not a secret' than why the hell didn't someone man up and go to the authorities?

John joe

cuz this whole story is horse shit, motty borger never attended munkatch cheder, was a counsler for a couple of uears in camp, but lebowitz was never in munkatch camp


I hope you will post my comment

A. Nuran

Shneerhere, these people do not believe in secular law. They do not go to the police when crimes are committed, especially by one of their own. Anyone who does is a "moser" and is shunned by the community.

CHAIM

JOHN

MOTTY WAS ALWAYS HANGING OUT IN MUNKATCH THERE ARE MANY PICS

confused

Any chance of hanging a murder/manslaughter charge on Lebovits over this bit of info?

effie

shneerhere: Worse, they don't even protect their own children.

David

As John joe wrote this story is baloney. Motty never attended Munkatcher Cheder.
CHAIM, these pictures were of Motty only recently when he was a counselor. Please this story is a farce.

Ratsmell

There was another much more ominous story on the internet as to who the molester was. This story sounds like a very convenient distraction from a much uglier truth.

Driven Leaf

> Borger's videographer dad, Shmuel, founded the boys choir Amudei Sheish.

The reported should have done a better job and dug around for the reason why the Amudei Sheish choir was forced to disband. Herein lies the *real* story!

seymour

cuz this whole story is horse shit, motty borger never attended munkatch cheder, was a counsler for a couple of uears in camp, but lebowitz was never in munkatch camp


I hope you will post my comment

Posted by: John joe | January 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM

this comments always pop up whenever a frum person get accused

itchiemayer

John Joe and David - Did Motty voluntarily jump or did he accidentally fall?

David

Seymour, I agree, your type of comment always comes up when a frum person is being accused as well. Please, you guys are such self haters.
itchiemayer, I don’t know I wasn’t there, and I am sure that you weren’t either. Just because we don’t know what happened does not mean that every story offered up is true. In any case, the story in the Post is patently false.

alternative childcare

critical minyan: you make these units sound much more professional and musical than they are. These kids don't sing a "soprano" role, they get a bunch of kids together, and with cheesy saxophone based arrangements have them sing mostly in unison, certain its in no way choral singing, and the worst part is that they frequently "dress them up" and have them do little steps, its always been this weird homoerotic thing in the frum community (and of course, with seperate seating, really is sick). Somehow this wave totally supplanted the more folk styled music created in the first wave of modern religious pop, ie Carlebach, Rabbis Sons, and knockoffs such as Simchatones and Rashi and the Rishonim. Somehow, those albums were more suspect than getting a bunch of young boys to croon and dance. Everyone seemed to think it was OK getting off on hearing that Sherzer kid sing "Bilvavi" on the Or Chadash album.
There were in fact many scandals of the sort alluded to here, from the very first one (Yigal Calek's London pirchei) through Amudei Sheish.

perele

the mikveh for men should be abolished (same thing for women ) . it encourages homosexuality and depravity . could you imagine the site of a men's mikveh ?
you get into a room and what do you see ?
a communal bath for fags . disgusting . everybody sees each other . and look. you can't help it . just imagine the effect it has in a person's mind . no wonder they molest or have sex with men . it's because of that kind of education they have, bathing with men . a primitive practice that was done thousands of years ago.
since then, ppl became civilized .and we all know that this kind of ancient practice is not acceptable today, because it's wrong and it creates problems and young ppl can be hurt permanently .
if those rabbis want to keep the mikveh then , there should be a guard at the door allowing ONE PERSON AT THE TIME to go into the mikveh room , just enough to soak himself for one minutes , once that person is out, then the next can get in . it is healthier for the mind that way .
rabbis should not allow men to go all together into the mikveh room . doing so, it's like allowing them to get into a communal fag bath . disgusting .

Not Chareidi

Perele
1. Not all molesters are mikvah going Jews so don't blame it on mikvah!
2. There are plenty places that have men bathe naked. In many sports clubs and spas people bathe naked. In mens locker rooms and showers the guys are naked (college sports, pro sports) your comments are ridiculous. As the old adage goes, if you have nothing smart to say, shut up!

OMG

Perel,
When I was in the military the showers where communal, and there were no sexual molestations’, every gym or spa has communal showers and there is no molestations’ going on. What is your issue with communal showers that you are so afraid of them?

shneerhere

'Mikvahs don't molest boys, molesters do.'

John Joe

itchiemayer, I wasn't there to know what happened that unfortunate tragic night, one thing is for sure this article is total heresey, word for word the same article appeared than, and it is verbatim for the sewage the pervert nachum rosenberg keeps on spewing

Fact: Motty Borger never learned in Munkatch Cheder,

Motty borger might have gone to late minyan schachris to munkatch shull, as do thousands others, maybe all of them were molested

CHAIM

john ure a sick dude motti was allwats hanhing out in munkatch

David

CHAIM, you are the sick one. Motti hung around Munkatch as an adult. Everyone, who hung around Munkatch was molested? Talking about sick ones...

fouty eighter

From someone in the "know":

- Baruch Lebovitz was never a "prominent rabbi", if you can even call him a rabbi. He acted as one sometimes, but nobody was fooled. He was always presumed to be bluffer, and a creepy one at that.

- Motty Borger was molested well before he knew Lebovits. The rumors abound.

- Lebovits was once a rebbe in Muncatch camp, but that ended well before Moty was born.

- Motty was a councellor in Muncatch camp. Without making a specific accusation, I will simply state that there were widely circulated rumors that campers were mollested in camp by their councellors during that time in Munkatch Camp.

- Motty might have become acquainted with Lebovits through their mutual connection to Muncatch. Lebovits was a regular long-time attendee, while Moty was a summer staff member, who became a recent casual attendee.

- It is a likely scenario that Moty and Lebovitz's association developed mutually and consentually. Both have enough in their backgrounds to indicate a propensity to this.

- It is obvious that Moty at least felt guilty about his predelictions, and couldn't reconcile himself with living a lie. He also probably wanted to break the vicious cycle.

- Lebowits, on the other hand, has no problem having it both ways.

- I also predict that Lebowits will either walk or get a slap on the wrist.

Shaul in Monsey

Anyone know where this drek hangs out in Monsey? I'd like to welcome him.

Shaul in Monsey

"- Lebowits, on the other hand, has no problem having it both ways."

You mean, either anally or orally from a boy?

Bill

I am aware of no place in the world, other than a mikvah, where grown men bathe naked with prepubescent boys.

Krechtz

fouty eight- what makes you say that lebowits wont see any prison time ..?

does the karmana rebbes brother have anything to do with that

David

fouty eighter, you are living in fantsy land. This though is typical of all you haters to make such absurd assumptions that there is no need to even debate them.

fouty eighter

Krechtz, Lebowits wont see prison time because his main accuser has already gotten cold feet (read payoff), and the other one is a certified basket case. Unless the posecutors have an ace up their sleeves, this case is going down.

The prosectors already know they are doomed, they are only keeping up the charade with the hope of calling Lebowitz's bluff and getting him to plead out to littering.

Typical game of 'blink'.

Hometown Postville

How can Lebowitz live with himself? How many other suicides resulting from his unreported molestation have occurred? Without compassion, how can he call himself a rabbi? Does anyone know how these pseudo-men justify their actions at the time?

Herschel

Any news on what is actually hapenning with the court case?

Inya Kawin

What is the end of the story? Anyone knows?

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