Rubashkin Denied Bail – Again

Rubashkin will remain in jail, at least until an appeal.

Rubashkin bail reduction denied again
By JENS MANUEL KROGSTAD • Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier

CEDAR RAPIDS - A judge on Thursday upheld a decision to deny bail pending sentencing to a former executive of defunct Agriprocessors kosher meatpacking plant.

In her original decision, U.S. District Chief Judge Linda Reade wrote Sholom Rubashkin, 50, has greater incentive to flee because he faces significant jail time for financial fraud. She noted he had committed bank fraud and obstructed justice while out on bail awaiting trial.

Defense attorney Guy Cook said he will appeal the ruling to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis.

Attorneys for Rubashkin had asked the court to impose additional conditions such as curfew, home detention, home incarceration and 24-hour armed surveillance, to ensure he appears for a still-undetermined sentencing date.

A Sioux Falls, S.D. jury convicted Rubashkin last month on 86 counts of bank, mail and wire fraud, money laundering and failure to pay livestock providers in a timely manner. He faces a maximum of 1,255 years in prison.

The fraud charges stem from a May 2008 immigration raid in which 389 employees were arrested. The plant has since been sold, and operates under the name Agri Star Meat and Poultry.

Comments

[justice seeker]

Guilty 11/12/2009, 21 nights in the pokey, give or take, shades of many nights to come. I bet SMR's world feels alot smaller, and though I expect his attorney expected the denial, I bet the family is scrambling and will turn up the wailing and cries of anti semetism. Any takers?

[Dr. Moe]

"I bet the family is scrambling and will turn up the wailing and cries of anti semetism. Any takers?"

Why do some Child Molesters and some Murders who are danger to society let off on Parole or some don't even serve Jail anytime?.

Nuff said!!

[Russian PhD]

Can somebody let us know what is the MINIMAL sentence awaiting SMR? Let say if the Judge will give him the minimum for every count and will make the sentences as non-cumulative as possible under the low?

[chaim]

Rubashkin - Burning Questions

did you see this artical from Yated?

http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=6546

[Russian PhD]

Dr Moe, let's not mix the stuff. There is no parole in federal justice at all since 87. Murderers, even if paroled (in state jurisdictions or if sentenced by feds before 87), spent in AVERAGE 30-40 years in prison before parole. The guy still not sentences: the question what's the more luckily sentence abating him and what are his chances to overturn his conviction/sentence at appellation court.

[chaim]

ONLY IN AMERICA

only in this great county do murders and rapists get bail and are often left out of jail due to 'technicality's'. but if you DARE to falsify some documents, and DARE to go to the post office and mail it - but NEVER actually steal a dime - you are EXTREMELY dangerous and can never go out on bail - even with the biggest restrictions (ankle bracelet, curfew, house arrest, 24hrs armed security..) - you are to dangerous to society, and need to be locked up for and extended period of time...

What a beautiful, fair and just system - one the the infamous inhabitants of SEDOM would serenely approve and be proud of....

[justice seeker]

Chaim: I think you're right. He should be out on bail, and lets ignore that he committed more counts of fraud, and obstruction of justice the last time he was out on bail. Maybe he should be out on bail so he can continue his crime spree unabated. Maybe he can steal some more goy money and make restitution to the Chabad who funded his defense!

[chaim]

justice seeker,

who did he steal money from??? (now don't give me your conspiracies, give me the facts based on his CONVICTIONS!!!).

also, please let me know what serious crimes he committed while on bail (again, not fantasy's but things he has been convicted of!)

[TheTruthAsItIs]

I think Judge Reade showed good judgement here also.

I dont care what sort of "ties" he has, family, financial, community or otherwise. Granting this bird bail is flirting with at least a 50/50 chance he is going to bolt out of this country like a jackrabbit with his ass on fire.

The Govt has a recorded conversation of him advisign Hosam Omara to do as such. I think it somewhat naive not to think that he would not at least consider doing the same thing under these circumstances.

He might stay like he says and fight - but if I were Judge Reade I wouldn'take the chance either.

[WoolSIlkCotton]

Chaim, Joe, Dr. Moe:
If you feel strongly that the trial, conviction, or sentencing was, is, or will be unfair, or if you have new information or evidence that would help Reb Sholom, you absolutely must contact Judge Reade and his attorney Mr. Cook (easy enough to look up) and provide details to them.

It may prove helpful and even result in Reb Sholom being let free!

Please, Chaim, Joe, and Dr. Moe, call Judge Reade and Mr. Cook ASAP!

[justice seeker]

Dear Chaim: This is the court of public opinion, so we don't need to restrict ourselves to convictions, but as a courtesey I will answer your question. Bank fraud can be described as schemes or actions utilized to obtain money, assets or other property from a bank. If you have trouble with that concept think of bank robbery without a gun..(theft). Money laundering creates the appearance that large amounts of money obtained from crime originated from a legitimate source. Unlike you I think these crimes are serious.

Al Capone was the capo of a large crime family and he finally went down on tax charges. Now you probably wouldn't have agreed with that either, but as a tax paying citizen I think that was just fine, and like most free thinking men I have no doubt he was a career criminal. I don't have to base my opinion of Capone soley on his tax conviction.

Mafia capos like Capone would spread money around to buy loyalty in their communities. That doesn't qualify as a good deed in my book. So the fact SMR spread money around in his community doesn't change where it came from, or how it was earned or stolen. Underlying his convictions are the stories of the poor and abused. PEOPLE who spoke little English who made so little money their wives and children had to work in SMR's factory to repay the rents he charged them on the real estate he owned. His buddies got regular cash payments every payday, his workers got cheated out of overtime and insurance.

To keep it simple for you though, in the final analysis SMR is just one more unrepentant convicted felon. No brag, just fact.

[harold]

This is America, crime against money is considered a greater crime than crime against person. Remember, on the back of the dollar bill is the proclamation "In G-d We Trust" the connection is obvious. Here one can go to jail for 5 years and pay a quarter million dollar fine for copying a DVD (at least that is what my DVDs say when I play a movie). I am curious, what will get you a longer prison term, not paying your taxes or assaulting a little old lady on her way to the supermarket.

[chaim]

justice seeker,

Your logic is absurd. what similarity does Rubashkin have to Al Capone?

the latter ran the mafia, murdered, robed etc. The crimes you are attributing to Rubashkin - aside from the ones he was convicted for - is for heiring illegals and paying them low wages.... they come to this country looking for work, and are HAPPY to do these jobs! (though I'm sure they would like to make more money - who wouldn't?) this was no forced labor camp! every senator in this country has housekeepers that are illegals or are not paying taxes for thier work! tons of factory's across the country employ MILLIONS of illegals, and the government is fine with it! don't we always hear from SENATORS - when debating immigration reform - the illegals do jobs that Americans don't want to do (they use this as a justification for keeping them here and actually legalizing them).... the iligals are willing to do work for considerably less payment then the ordinary US citizen!!!

Rubashkin was not proven to act unfairly to these workers! yes the unions were fighting him for not allowing the workers to unionize, but the Mexican workers were happy to work there. if they weren't, why did they stay.

I know you HATE Rubashkin, but the fact is that he stole money from NO ONE!!! he may have overstated company value to the bank, but unless you were born the last year EVERY (almost) bank was happy to extend credit to ANYBODY with the flimsiest evidence of ability to repay. look at all the mortgages given out (to anyone - with no real verification!!!) credit cards with $30,000 credit limit to students with NO credit verification!!! they were throwing money at (almost) anybody willing to take!!! (untill the recent downturn in the economy) so don't sell me this business that he stole form the bank. he took a loan!!!! and was making every payment ON TIME!!! until the US government put him out of business - for VERY biased reasons. they have negotiated with other - non-jewish - company's (the very same year) with identical "transgressions" and NOBODY!!!! was prosecuted.

The government singled out Rubashkin for some unknown reason and dealt with him like they dealt with NO OTHER COMPANY before! and they over-exaggerated relatively small infractions! he is by no means any mafia boss or big robber.

read this: http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=6546

I'm sure you can point me to some laws that prove that he technically violated some regulations - but to justify such severe treatment and gross over-punishment would make the inhabitants of sedom very proud!

[chaim]

harold,

is this JUSTICE? just because this is the way "it goes" does this equal fair justice? this is totally absurd!!! actually: crazy, insane, cruel and sedom-like

and all these "seekers of justice" parading on this site are sick. they all hold up these "huge" crimes SMR was convicted for and are calling for life imprisonment. you must come from a different planet then me and we will never see anything eye to eye. to punish 'technical' crimes (with no-one hurt and absolutely no shred of evidence that these were committed with the intention to steal money and fleece the bank!!!) with lifetime imprisonment (for murderess that means 25 years - for SMR it equals hundreds of years!).

Justice is supposed to be logical not insane!

[state of disgust]

Chaim asks:

"who did he steal money from???"

Go back into the FM archives and you will find a court document which lists all the people Agri stiffed including the design studio that created their labels, the Postville hardware store, the electric company, the city of Postville (water and sewage), car rental companies, hotels - you name it. Then we can talk about the workers (shorted paychecks, money deducted from paychecks for child support not forwarded, health benefit payments deducted but not paid, illegal deductions from workers paychecks for clean smocks) -- some of these debts go back years!
It is all documented.

The family, not just SMR, are a bunch of thieves and the fact that they are still running this plant with Hershey Friedman as a front is a scandal that adds insult to injury. People aren't dumb. They know what is going on.

[sage]

Great rejoinder, SOD !!!!!

If Chaim has the cajones to actually look at the 'Agriprocessors Bankruptcy Filing Documents', as you have asked him to do, he will also discover the total amount of ~ $100 Million, that the RCF owed to its creditors.

To date, Mr. Chaim, the overwhelming number of creditors have not been nor will ever be paid what they are owed.

Process that !!!!!

[SOP II]

Chaim also says Sholom has been "singled out" and dealt with more harshly than others: ("negotiated with other - non-jewish (sic) - company's (the very same year) with identical "transgressions" and NOBODY!!!! was prosecuted").

Chaim, there were prosecutions of plant mangers and company owners in Texas, New Mexico and California last year, to name a few. Not one of these charges were based on numbers even close to what Sholom did through his company.

Yes, they are treating Sholom differently. It's because his (alleged) crimes are so much greater.

There's an upside for you, though. At least SMR was able to raise the bar on something.

[Chaim]

SOP II,

"Yes, they are treating Sholom differently. It's because his (alleged) crimes are so much greater."

yes i know he was 'charged' with hundreds of counts - but please describe to me the 'gruesome' crimes perpetrated by SMR. the government can concoct hundreds of counts out of thin air, - what exactly did SMR do? did he steel? (not just making some invoices - while making EVERY payment to the bank!)

He wasn't convicted for anything else!

"there were prosecutions of plant mangers and company owners in Texas, New Mexico and California last year, to name a few"

how many of them are in jail? how many are facing over a thousand years?

[The Facks man]

Keep this SOB locked up for life!! Buba needs a new girl friend. Time for pay backs. Feed him pork, and Buba's tube steak.

[SOP II]

Chaim:

Do your own research and ask yourself those questions again.

None of the other plant owners or managers committed "alleged" crimes on the level of SMR.

If you can't see that, then continue to hope for SMR's vindication and completely ignore the people left behind in his wake of selfishness and greed.

"You shall reap what you sow"