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raheldworkin

the IDENTICAL situation happened with a
lubavitcher rabbi pinhas pachter from paris ( 20th arrondissement ) .this sleezball was married for 15 years and had 8 children . there was an innocent goya
who wanted to convert to judaism . pinhas pachter was in charge .
instead , he had got her into having sex with her . numerous times . until she complained .
pinhas pachter 's wife divorced him . ( he remarried ) . he STILL WORKS AS A CHABAD SHALIYAH in paris 20 eme . AND HAS AN INDEPENDENT JOB in the beit din of paris .
the beit din of paris is NON CHABAD RELATED >
it's an orthodox union organization .

De Bon Chemin

This person talking on the audio (L Trofer) is a trained psychologist therapist using method of random reward system, inciting the client to decide for herself. It is not ethical by the board. The coercion is subtly flirting guilt persuasion presentation. The ages of anyone was not given to me, nor the familial status and situation, it makes difficult to study the case objectively. Nevertheless, there are a lot of fallacies inferring that this personage is a social danger, simulator, and manipulator of big caliber, he knows to control his darker emotions and to project choice of action on the victim. Don’t have pity on him in any way, he is conscientious and clear minded. There are no atoned conditions in these tapes. If someone has more details, not the sordid ones, but families’ related/marital status in ref., this could be a great psychology research on Tyranny of authority, its abuse, and its outcome.
Ubenogea lechillul H’, halachah lemahasse, hu chayav guigul mita ( moridin velo mahalin), he learned, so asked him. For other issues and arguments, be kind and responsible.
Not Moshe Heinamann, Israel Belsky,or L. Tropper will respond to your Aveiroth, even they are the ones causing them!!
or the Steipeler, the Satmaer don’t make Chassidim Shotim or Snaggs, it is you and only you that are responsible, so drive your life consequently.

Shmarya

To claim Reb Leib and his Rebbetzin demanded sexual favors from this convert is ludicrious at best, damaging loshon hora at worst

Well, Tropper does exactly that on the tapes, so – 'lashon hara' or not, it's true.

wayne

Rabbi Leib Tropper is Talmud Chochum and a rosh yeshiva. These tapes were releaed, by false messiah's own admission, by Guma Aguiar to get even with Rav Leib.
To claim Reb Leib and his Rebbetzin demanded sexual favors from this convert is ludicrious at best, damaging loshon hora at worst

Shira

Shannon - thank you for unearthing some shmutz right in the heart of the Jewish people. It's a big problem nowadays, and no one yet admits how much Pesach cleaning we need to do because we've lost sight of living a modest Jewish life.

I really think you're like Yael. May G-d give you the strength and opportunity to leave this scandal out of your own identity, and live a beautiful (and ordinary!) life!

Mr. Apikorus

Tiger is paid to put the ball in the hole. Whatever else he puts in the hole is none of my business.

If Tiger didn't cheat at golf, I don't have a big problem with him.

eyesay

Dr. Dave wrote, "Its the same old story of hubris combined with opportunity ... Bill Clinton ... All hypocritical holier than thou little shits." This is not a fair remark. As far as we know, since 1992, Bill Clinton was unfaithful to his wife with only one woman. His unfaithfulness was emotionally painful to his wife and daughter, but he was neither hypocritical nor holier than thou. Clinton never claimed to be a paragon of sexual virtue; in fact he openly acknowledged episodes of unfaithfulness prior to Ms. Lewinsky, and he never criticized others for their unfaithfulness. So, Dr. Dave, you're free to criticize Bill Clinton for his unfaithfulness, but you owe him an apology for suggesting that he was hypocritical or holier than thou.

Likewise, I don't believe Tiger Woods ever claimed to be more virtuous than others just a very talented golfer, which he most certainly is.

y

The Talmud says Ain apuTROPPERes L'aroyot

Mr. Apikorus

AR and LJ, you're Jewish in my book (and that of most Jews, not necessarily ultra-Orthodox slimebuckets) if you're serious about being Jewish.

I believe this woman was serious about being Jewish. Although some idiots claim she set up Leib Tropper, as best as I can see, Tropper tried to really take advantage of her and she turned the tables on him. Bravo!

effie

As for the woman. She could always have said NO. There was no gun to her head. If a person wants to become Jewish so bad, breaking every fundamental teaching that the Torah has to offer is not the way to do it. Posted by: AR

You're projecting. Maybe, YOU could have always said no because you are not someone susceptible to influences. A lot of people are. If they were not, we wouldn't have this issue arising so much. I am sure a psychologist could explain it.

Do you remember some SOB making a prank call to some restaurant? They talked to the manager and told him that he had to physically discipline some young female employee? He called the girl in and sufficiently intimidated her where he ended up spanking her. This was all caught on tape. While all this was happening, an adult female employee was walking in and out of the office and didn't say a damn thing.

Everybody laughed at the poor girl and I felt horrible for her. She was a nice girl who was brought up to submit to authority and was taken advantage of. She ended up suing and hopefully was compensated for the humiliating experience. And then there were the adult male and female. Why were they following ridiculous and criminal orders from some idiot over the phone who they never met before?

Obviously, this is isn't an identical case but I am mentioning it because many people are susceptible to undue influence. Hell, look at Germany in the 30s. You had smart educated sheep.

LJ

Her name is [redacted] and often uses several last names in Houston where she was infiltrating the jewish community, sending her daughter to the jewish girls school under Rabbi Wender, attending shul where the majority of members were under the impression she was a yid. I for one am glad she was outed. Not to take anything away from the disgusting acts of Tropper and his wife, but someone pretending to be jewish is dangerous. She is a charleton and should be outed for what she is.

Milchamos Hashem

You know stuff like this gets pushed under the carpet.

I agree that these ppl have to be exposed...and given trial...punishments...

But Judiasim is like any other religion and it has it's sour apples, and it has it's issues, and only b/c these ppl are religious thier standards are higher and we expect more and it's such a bummer when they turn out to bee a**holes

It brings us all down, BURN!!

AR

You make a good point. I was not discounting the disgusting actions of his wife as well. Whether the Troppers should divorce is debatable. As far as I'm concerned they are both revolting. Maybe they deserve each other.
As for the woman. She could always have said NO. There was no gun to her head. If a person wants to become Jewish so bad, breaking every fundamental teaching that the Torah has to offer is not the way to do it.

effie

No, they are not equally guilty. He's claims to be a rabbi, she does not. He was handling her conversion and had power over her. She had no power over him. He's obviously manipulating her.

And if you think she is scum, then why aren't you calling Mrs. Tropper scum and demanding that she divorce the pervert?

Tropper is the one who should be run out of town.

AR

Regardless of the disgusting actions of Rabbi Tropper, this woman is not just an innocent victim. She did not have to engage in what she did. She certainly does not deserve to join klal yisroel. What she did was equally as disgusting as Rabbi Tropper. She is nothing short of a gold digger. Now she is dating a jewish doctor in Houston. This woman should be run out of town, and go back to her goyish roots.

chabadnik attorney

I listened to the tapes again on YouTube. This guy is demented. He is arguing with her about how he is going to document their agreement. I am about to Puke.

ca

to FF and Alan, did you listen to the recordings?

Reb Yid

THAT ALL FEMALE CONVERSIONS HE SUPERVISED ARE SUSPECT OF BEING DONE FOR ALTERIOR (READ: SEXUAL) FAVORS & ARE IPSO FACTO DISQUALIFIED.

Posted by: ZIY

ALTERIOR is a clear misspell. What you intended was 'posterior'

Yankev

Tropper's wife: www.fredwarner.com/images/laurel.jpg

Posted by: Dov

Not super hot but I'd still hit that. From what Bais Yakov grads have told me, Mrs. Tropper's not the only chareidette who likes other girls. I wonder if she used a strapon.

nobody

"rabbo tropper has all the gedolim backing his decisions that he makes."

Not true.

ff

this story is 100% not true. a man was mad at him for a few reasons one because rabbi tropper didn't want to convert his wife so he made up these stories and videos and had someone tap their phones to get their voice. rabbo tropper is a god fearing jew and he has all the gedolim backing his decisions that he makes. people who say things are people who are upset at him for not converting likw more modern people. however,rabbi tropper decsions are acccording to great gedolim and rabbis

alan

how do we know this is true that we are all ready to kill this guy .1 ladies (non jewish)saying something and its g-ds word.its nothing ,recordings can be sliced and put together and so any media. we belive in a system of 2 witnesses less than that pardon my french its bull shit BULL SHIT and all you blogers passing judgment make sure your crap is in order because the way you judge you get judged.and it sounds like you like this.

effie

They are still battling it out at the Wiki page. It's a real disappointment that they keep removing the links to the tape and editing out negative information.

In a court of law, recordings are authenticated by someone familiar with the voice testifying that is X's voice. Recordings are also self-authenticating when they make references to events names, etc., that in context identify the voice.

In these recordings, there are both forms of authentication. So, there is really no issue of whether it is Tropper or not.

Shaul in Monsey

Rocky, the difference between Tendler and Tropper is that they always claimed there were tapes and other proof on Tendler but it was never produced. And once he won every one of his law suits, the anti Tendler wagon lost a lot of steam.

Here with the Tropmeister you've got him on tape crystal clear saying he likes rape play and the woman saying she liked what she did with Leba. Sounds like Tropper was running Caligula, not a yeshiva.

The question is who will Tropper go to for his coversion.

Game, set match, GUMA.

Yerachmiel Lopin

Now that Tropper has thrown suspicion on many sincere conversions he will probably start doing divorces ala his monsey buddy tendler. So now every get will also be suspected if woman subsequently
has a kid, the frumchiks will scream about mamzeirus and being shocked, shocked!

Show me one frum leader who every voluntarily resigned because they should have known and didnt. Chareidim consider such resignations in Japan chukos hagoyim.

These self proclaimed gadolim want the combined powers of malchus, kehunah, nevius and shoftim and the responsiblity burden of a shomer chinom who can also prove he is a shoter and tinok.

Of course they also want the lesser responsibility of a shomer chinom even when they were paid handsomely when they should have abstained because they were nogeiah b'davar.

Theodore

We are constantly being accussed of adhereing to a degenerate religion by
Anti-Semites. Stories look this reinforces
their rantings. Great job on Disgracing
our people, the Torah, and God.
Perhaps this so called rabbi should put
his head between his legs and kiss his
buttocks good bye.

OLAM

I always knew that Shmarya will come back to Lubavitch! All it took is a lowlife tropper for shmarya to realize that it is better for him to align with Guma and his non jewish wife jamie and the plant that they planted on the lowlife tropper and now all tht we need is that they (together with bomzer who took 40,000$ for jamie's fake conversion and together with the other chabad rabbi who got a building for that deal) go in front of 770 and with krinski announce: didan natzach and YECHI ADONENU MELECH HAMASHIACH LEOLAM VAED!

Ben

I also afraid that although Rav Tripper is a major abuser of converts, his humiliation will lead to more convert abuse by Haredi and other "presumption of guilt" types. Now they will say that all converts are suspect and even more cetralized authority over them must be established. They will increase convert abuse 100 fold.

What could be done to prevent it? I wonder, how can we prevent punishing already abused converts by the self righteous, scheming, suspecious black and not so black hatters?

Ben

Time for the Gedoylim to realize that they aren't fooling anyone anymore.

Posted by: Jon | December 17, 2009 at 10:12 AM

I must respectfully disagree! Millions are still fooled by the Gadoylim and think what they are told to think and do what they are told to do and worship these old bearded idols.

Jakes

ZIY, I don't know all of the intricacies of Halakha either but from what I've read opinions will always differ from rabbi to rabbi in situations of questionable conversions. Some hold that the history is that even fraudulent conversions should be upheld as we have a history of accepting 'suspect' conversions. Others would insist on Giyyur L'chumra- but the people advocating this are the types that are never satisfied with a conversion, especially if you don't live according to their chumrot.

boruch521

Years ago, the EMT shared its space with the fire dept. Every motzse Shabbos, the black hatters would line up next door to the fire dept house and down the sidewalk. It was a whore house next to the fire house. My cousin was an EMT, and would tell me these stories, and more. Just another black hat perversion. I wonder, did the black hatters, soak and salt the meat before they dined?

ZIY

another important issue to point out: over the past couple of years, the israeli rabbinate has disqualified all the conversions of rabbi chaskel lookstein because he supposedly may have taken money for one of his conversions. (rather, i think it was that someone he converted later made a contribution to one of his mosdos, not even to him personally. i do not the intricacies of the halachach involved, but i suspect that many a frum & chareidi rov receives financial compensation for his efforts in one form or another -- but i digress.)

if this is the case, how much more so with this tropper scandal, that we have to assume THAT ALL FEMALE CONVERSIONS HE SUPERVISED ARE SUSPECT OF BEING DONE FOR ALTERIOR (READ: SEXUAL) FAVORS & ARE IPSO FACTO DISQUALIFIED.

how many well-intended giyoreses did this shmuck screw up? when will the rabonim here & the rabanut in israel realize the hypocricy they are endorsing? don't all these women now have to go through a "giyur lechumrah"? etc. etc.?

can a someone with yadin tadin please clarify this very important halachik sha'alah here? thanks.

Jon

Everything Steve said. Time for the Gedoylim to realize that they aren't fooling anyone anymore.

effie

I linked all the tapes I could find above at 3:33 am. The links on the Wikipedia page keep getting deleted. At this time - they're out again. There have been about 50 edits in the pass 24 hours.

Shaul in Monsey

Reference 7 is down, WTF? I have the tape saved but what about the people that don't? This is just not right.

Ben

Mr.A, the best way to download the tapes is from Wikipedia Leib Tropper page, reference 7. Once you listen to them your doubts will be reduced significantly.

Shaul in Monsey

Why is everyone overlooking the lesbian wife angle to the Tropper disgrace? Could it be because there is no clear m'kor prohibiting lesbianism in the Torah? Anywho, I'm more concerned about Tropper's desire to role play rape and other means of debasing women. This all stems from the ass backwards way FFBs are raised, with their libidos surpressed. Let's just admit that the Old Shtot way of doing things may have been fine back in the day but is an absolute failure and disaster in America.

And what's really sad about this whole story is that we are actually THANKFULL that Tropper was "only" abusing adult women he had a hand (and sometimes other body parts) over. We're thankful because it was old fashioned hetero, male on female abuse, and not that we found out Tropper was raping hairless youth by the dozens like Kolko, or that Tropper was raping his own kin like Weingarten.

MalachHamovies

"Guys like Tropper get all caught up into halacha. So, i doubt he'd pimp his wife, an eishes ish to fornicate with another man.

But his mistress, who was not yet converted, would have the din of a goy, and consensual sex would not violate his idea of halacha.

It's so krum"


Since he is a rabbi i'm sure he will find a heter for all of this stuff - Even if it's d'oraisa. In his twisted world, the main thing is that Lipa Schmeltzer and Rabbi Slifikin are treif and posul.

didan notzach

az der potz shtait der saichel gait

Dr. D

Give the Rabbi a break,

He loves fucking.
He loves Hot ass Shiksehs.

Why settle for some loud mouth, short, fat, curly haird Jewish bitch when he can do women like Rabbi Fred Neulander did.

The Italian slut that he banged had your typical shaytel looking Monika Lewisky shiny black STRAIGHT hair (a real frummy turn on) all in a convient Goyish package.

Mr. Apikorus

Right now, state of disgust, it's all just hearsay. And I'll bet that 90% of the stuff reported about Tiger Woods is BS, too, by women who want their 15 minutes plus a few bucks from the tabloids.

Mr. Apikorus

As I said, he's probably guilty. But I'd like to see him positively identified on tapes that have been verified.

As for me, I haven't been able to download them.

state of  disgust

Give it a break Apikorus,
1) people who know Tropper well have identified his voice on the tape;
2) He has issued no statement saying this is not him;
3) He has issued no apology;
4) He has resigned.

Mr. Apikorus

Based upon his history of nullifying legitimate conversions, I don't like this son of a bitch.

On the other hand, how do I know that these tapes are of him? A guy like this has undoubtedly made many enemies over time, and anybody can post a file on the Internet.

Ben

This is not as ordinary as Clinton having sex with Monica. This guy played super righteous role for decades. He accused every other rabbi doing conversion of not being machmir enough. He effectively invalidated (put in doubt) ALL CONVERSIONS that were not done by his organization EJF. This is over 99% of all conversions. He put through grief and uncertainty hundreds of thousands of sincere people who joined Jewish nation and all their descendents.

I thought that he is just self rightious narrow minded talmudist, but as it looks now he is a first rate criminal.

Gerald, your cool headedness and talk that it could happen to anybody is like saying Eichman is not a criminal for organizing killing of 6 million Jews because it can happen to anybody.

No. It does not happen to anybody, and it can not happen to anybody, because not everybody is a moral pervert and a criminal. Tropper is. Feinstein who is covering for him now I suspect is not clean guy either. Chief rav Metzger who praized EJF and Sherman recently is a pervert too.

effie

I'm having difficulty imagining anyone following this guy let alone sleeping with him. Besides being a pervert, one, though born and raised in the United States, I can barely understand him, and two, he's embarrassingly immature.

effie

http://www.2shared.com/file/10008381/e57caec3/rebbetzinAdmission.html

http://rs336.rapidshare.com/files/321989452/Rabbi_Leib_Tropper_Gigalo_Abuser_tapes_scandal.rar

effie

There's a real battle going on over at the Wiki article. Love it. Someone by the name of "Truth Transparency" keeps posting info and links to the tapes and other people keep deleting it. Then there is another person, crazy as a loon, making wild accusations that also get deleted. You can find it all by clicking on the "history" tab. Here's the links to the tapes again:

http://www.2shared.com/file/10008550/23589caa/Leibs_contract_2.html

http://www.2shared.com/file/10008637/e92010d6/Leibs_contract.html

Truth

Get the tapes:
Here

Nigritude Ultramarine

Nevermind, I see now. The posters on the wall don't really suggest insurance to me.

Nigritude Ultramarine

Tropper's wife: www.fredwarner.com/images/laurel.jpg

Does she work at her sister's PR firm?

jp

"The Jewish Week removed my byline at last minute, because editors said they needed to quote me about Tropper's significance for Orthodox conversions to Judaism."

At least you have the courtesy to acknowledge this.

While it does not diminish seriousness of this accusation, I think you have inadvertently revealed part of the editorial slime policy at the Jewish Weak (sic).

Dov

Tropper's wife: www.fredwarner.com/images/laurel.jpg

critical_minyan

i hate the way Tropper did conversions, yet I hope he has some righteous explanations.
As he has already resigned, it leads me to believe that there is smoke behind this fire, and he is probably guilty of being some sort of deviant.
Tropper is just one more hypocrite, one more criminal, in the nation of israel.

Dov

The tapes are even 'better' than I imagined (after the first 20-30 seconds). Yee-hah!!!!

Mark Willis

Those links don't work. They open up stories about makeup. How does one use them?

Jakes

Is it even possible for a rabbi -- especially a rabbi who was not on the beis din -- to revoke someone's conversion?

Most Halakhic sources I'm aware of say no conversion can ever be annulled. Conversions never used to be annulled in practice, instead rabbis simply accepted the certificate of giyyur as proof of Jewish status.

It is a sick, recent departure from traditional practice, but it has had caused serious heartache to Halakhic converts and their descendants.

Milwaukee, WI

maven, what happened to the student?

maven

Steve is correct, and the details are important. There was a case in Seattle where an Orthodox Rabbi had an affair with a conversion student, he was removed from his position, but it was clearly nothing like this! The centrality of the degradation of this woman, his rape fantasies, these are very worrisome in a person who was involved in her "outreach". Interestingly, in the case against Gafni, this need for sexual humiliation also emerged (in his 3rd wife's deposition), Ben Zion Sobol targeted the baal teshuva students under his care, and Lanner's capacity to humilate and demean the people he was "being mekarev" was legendary.

Is the drive to do kiruv in some way related to abasement and humiliation of the subjects being "taught Judaism"? Is this a playing out of the individuals own deepest feelings about what he is teaching (for after all, Tropper could as well have gone to an S&M club for this kind of "fun", why davka unload this upon a conversion student?).

The implications of what this says about the whole concept of "kiruv" are truly sickening.

Daniel

Somebody should have dragged his yetzer hara into the beis midresh. Now he's probably thinking of the day of his death, but it's too late.

effie

I listened to one tape where they are discussing phone sex, sex with other men, and sex with his wife. I get the image of the two of them and their playmates rutting like pigs. What a hypocrite! I wonder if the woman whose conversion he revoked, including her son's, can sue him? I'd like to see her get revenge.

steve

Unfortunately it can happen to everyone

Again, NO, this does not happen to everyone. You make it seem that it's only about another guy committing adultery, a la Bill Clinton, Eliot Spitzer or Tiger Woods. This goes a lot deeper. This is about power, domination, manipulation, using religion as a weapon for personal greed and lust, etcetra, etcetra, etcetra. Imagine if the Catholic Church, with all its horrible sex scandals notwithstanding, was running a prostitution ring? How big of a scandal would that be? Would you just shrug it off and say "it can happen to everyone"? I'm sure Lubinsky will try to spin it that way in his capacity as EJF's PR stuntman. I'm not acccusing you of being his troll, but you are sounding a lot like his spinmeisters. Harry Maryles (of all people) wrote an excellent post on this scandal. You should check it out on haemtza.blogspot.com.

Yeshaya

Is it even possible for a rabbi -- especially a rabbi who was not on the beis din -- to revoke someone's conversion? To revoke a conversion wouldn't you have to prove they weren't observant right after the conversion, or that they intended not to be observant right after the conversion?In something as serious as revoking gerus, I would think that the convert would have a chance to argue her case to a beis din, instead of having random rabbis invalidating her conversion whenever they hear a rumor about her. If this analysis is correct, the women and her children are still Jewish, but think they aren't. What a tragedy. Hopefully the present scandal will cause people to doubt the legitimacy of this unilateral revoking of conversions.

chabadnik attorney

Gerald, I think Tropper is more than your run of the mill scandal. Tropper was in a unique position of power and authority deciding a persons status as a Jew. Further, he went after Rav Slifkin to put him in cherem. In other words "he choked himself in his righteous indignation".

Doresh El Hameisim

Same as Rabbi S H of K offered a witness against Lebowitz the HOMO RAPIST, $1000 bucks to shut up.

Gerald

Steve,
Take it easy, in your righteous indignation you may choke yourself.
I said that a woman brought a man down cuz the man was not thinking with his head.Happens all the time.Happens to Presidents too.Even happens to Reform Rabbis from Cherry Hill.

Now I happen to think that the EJF is a good idea,hope that does not shock you!I think that our job in the world is to attract people to convert to Orthodox Judaism to spread Godliness in the world.There are of course halachik ramifications and I"m no rabbi to decide .
So yes, this is a horrible, shameful story, the right thing to do was to resign.
However,I"m just surprised at how everybody is so surprised at hearing a story like this.Unfortunately it can happen to everyone

chabadnik attorney

Oh and Tropper, note to yourself, the next time you try to abuse your power and position you may not want to Fck with a billionaire.

chabadnik attorney

Exactly Steve and what people don't get is that its the self-righteousness and abuse of power and position that is more at issue than the lurid details.

steve

Adam and Eve, anyone?

No. No one except you could be so naive. Comparing this menuval and his zonah wife to Adam Harishon and Chavah is despicable. Tropper used the power bestowed upon him by the "gedolim" to turn his Eternal Jewish Fraud organization into an escort service. There are no words that can accurately describe this piece of filth. Only a child molester could be considered a bigger lowlife and scumbag. This guy calls himself a "rabbi"? FEH! Next time you see him, spit in his face!

Of all the fraud and corruption that has been exposed in the Orthodox community, this one establishes a new low. Tropper was handed the keys to the conversion business. He was handed a virtual monopoly. His ruthless tactics were well documented. His bullying of other rabbis who performde conversions such as Bomzer (another menuval)was endorsed by these "gedolim". This story needs to be told in its entirety. The public has a right to know so that such corruption is no longer tolerated. Enough is enough! Child molesters and their enablers, pimps and their enablers, money launderers and their enablers must all be exposed once and for all. Enough apologetics, enough enabling, enough secrecy, enough sweeping under the carpet, enough Lubinsky PR spins, enough coverups, enough lies, enough favoritism for beards and hats, enough pidyon shvuyim funds for criminals, enough Agudah lobbying to protect criminals, enough Matzav Al Jazeera style journalism, enough, enough, enough!!!

chabadnik attorney

Wikipedia still has the controversies and links as well.

chabadnik attorney

The above links were previously posted by A Reader and Danny and should work.

Doresh El Hameisim

A shikse is "NSK"Z", so she is NIDA

chabadnik attorney

These are the links

http://www.2shared.com/file/10008550/23589caa/Leibs_contract_2.html

http://www.2shared.com/file/1008637/e910d6/Leibs_contrat.htm

http://www.2shared.com/file/10008381/e57caec3/rebbetzinAdmission.html

Levi

Wiki action:

69.112.137.243 kept inserting rumors about a molestation videotape.

Truthtransparency (re)posted the audio links

79.178.20.84 tried to remove all trace, which is what ZoroIslamoYid saw, but its all back up

Hometown Postville

What is with this obsession with sex? Are these guys overdosing on Viagra? Seems they just don't know how to keep it in their pants whether it's around another woman or a little boy!!!!!

Paul Freedman

Dave, they are converted but must wear their trousers on their heads.

Paul Freedman

Gerald, listen to the tapes. This is a guy going on and on and being a jerk of his own violition and alluding to stuff he's done and initiated.

And if a guy is being "set-up" (and the tapes don't support that from what I hear)--just coz somebody puts a pin up doesn't mean we have to make like bowling balls and roll ourselves down the alleyway.

Gerald

"Set-up job? Yeah yeah yeah, blame the chick."
Paul,it happens everyday, don't be naive.

Dave

Serious question.

Given the precedents that Tropper helped set, does this mean that anyone he converted is now "unconverted"?

ZoroIslamoYid

well the ones who profited most out of troppers fight with guma aguiar is chabad:

http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=6289

yes, tropper turned off guma from misnagdim so much that he went over to the chasidim, & lubavitch no less!

-- zoroislamoyid

Paul Freedman

Set-up job? Yeah yeah yeah, blame the chick.

Paul Freedman

Question authority....

Paul Freedman

"Do you have a problem about talking about sex with a guy or only doing?"

"...Emir, he's a very nice guy. .... Others, you know .... no, no, no ... I would take no as an answer without a question."

"Your personality is very different from the women I usually know in my life...."

"I could role play a rape with you but I couldn't actually rape you..."

Gerald

Mekubal!
I suspect that you are right.
Tropper was in a fight with a Billionare.I imagine that some commenters will remember another fight between a Billionare and his brother-in-law, with the B. sending him a pretty decoy who seduced and then the evidence was sent to the wife.The B. ended up with jail time for his dirty trick.
I listened to the tape , just to boring, to much of a set up job to be anything other than a call girl set up.
Remember that the downfall of many a great man and a small one too is thru a seductress.Adam and Eve, anyone?

critical_minyan

this could be one of the most disgusting jewish scandals ever. its so gross. rabbi tropper, if this is true, is such a despicable shandeh, its beyond comprehension.
Even though i have no love for the ultra orthodox rabbinate, i hope in the name of God that this is not true.
Some people just want to eat their own shit. there is nothing we can do except try not to look at it, and if we do, try not to choke on our own vomit.

mekubal

Unfortunately you failed to find the story, behind the story, behind the story. That the woman was in fact a plant, and that is how the tapes "leaked."

pierre

no idea what to make of the allegations, but a non-jewish woman isn't nida like a jewish woman as i'm sure someone pointed out in comments, haven't read through yet), etc, etc, and there are definitely ways people have rationalized around this sort of thing. A 'pre'-geuret is in just the kind of situation that I'm relatively amazed something like this hasn't happened.

formerpostvillian

"Guys like Tropper get all caught up into halacha. So, i doubt he'd pimp his wife, an eishes ish to fornicate with another man.

But his mistress, who was not yet converted, would have the din of a goy, and consensual sex would not violate his idea of halacha.

It's so krum"


I agree with you 100%! Back in the day when I was learning halacha this is what we were taught. But we were also taught that although according to halacha it is permissable, it is not exceptable behavior in todays Jewish world.

In addition, male homosexuality is clearly a violation of Torah, however lesbianism is not forbidden, so therefore permissable.

So if you are lucky enough to have a willing wife and a goysha women without a katuba, you got it made!

Atleast until everyone finds out.

But I'm sure he slept very well at night knowing that nothing he was doing went against "halacha" in God's eyes.

It's a shame common sense doesn't play a bigger role in "halacha". God gave us that too!

phil

You just know that if there'd been rumours he'd been drinking halav akum like there were rumours always floating around about the sexual stuff, they'd have thrown him out of the rabbinical world years ago.

Reader

"Guys like Tropper get all caught up into halacha. So, i doubt he'd pimp his wife, an eishes ish to fornicate with another man.
But his mistress, who was not yet converted, would have the din of a goy, and consensual sex would not violate his idea of halacha.
It's so krum."
Andrew,
Here is an interesting excerpt from
http://judaism.ajula.edu/Content/ContentUnit.asp?CID=1839&u=8055&t=0

"“Naval birshut Ha-Torah” comes from the medieval period; from the mystical sage and Torah commentator, the Ramban, known as Nachmanides. Ramban insists that a Jew should be held to a higher standard than the mere requirements of the law. He affirms that one should conduct oneself according to the highest standards, even beyond what is required. And so in his commentary to the Torah portion K’doshim Tihiyu, you shall be holy, in the Book of Leviticus, Rambam develops this phrase that I have found nowhere before him in Jewish tradition, of a “Naval birshut Ha-Torah.Yet someone who adheres to the letter of the law and ignores its context, disdains its spirit, is held up by Rambam, himself and punctilious observant Jew, as a fool. As worse than a fool - a sinner. A later commentary tells us, “It was to make this point understood that Ramban preceded his words to the portion, "you shall be holy", so that one should not be a “Naval with the permission of Torah.” Rather, each of us should behave according to the embracing principles of Torah, such as, “You shall be holy.”...The mitzvot make like beautiful and meaningful for an observant Jew. But one can become so distracted by the details of the mitzvot that they spiral down to mere rules. They can become simply laws to check off a list: Did I follow that rule? Yes. Done. Check. And in separating the laws from their roots, the deeper inclusive values that the Torah was meant to embody and further in the world, we pervert those very laws. We make of them sources of arrogance and smugness and judgementalism which is the very opposite of the true purpose of Torah. The laws of the Torah, rooted in the living earth of compassion, of justice, of hesed, and tzedek, those mitzvot bear beautiful fruit. But when they become an end in themselves, when they are severed from the soil from which they emerge, then they border on the blasphemous and the idolatrous. Then one becomes a Naval birshut Ha-Torah."

The Other DK

Ben:

There are two recordings which will be available, according to the post, for the next two days:

Post about the recordings:
http://emetahshav.blogspot.com/2009/12/temporary-post.htl

Links to the recordings:
http://www.2shared.com/file/100087/e92010d6/Leibs_contract.htl
http://www.2shared.com/file/10008550/23589caa/Leibs_contract_2.html

zoroastroyid

a modner zach: a mere half hour ago, wikipedia entry for leib tropper ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leib_Tropper ) had a whole shtikl on his scandals going back a few years, plus links to the audio files of the tape recordings. however, plutzlim now when i went back to wiki, the entire part on scandals & the tapes are gone!!! who is deleting his negative profile, who???????

-- ZoroIslamoYid

Shmarya

That would be quite odd considering hundreds of people have already heard the tapes.

anony mouse

Ben:

Actually the entire "controversies" section of his wiki article has been removed.

Try this cached version:

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:YIHowdbEHMcJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leib_Tropper+leib+tropper&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

shoshana

this whole thing is simply not true
completely fabricated
there is no video and audio
nothing
any questions? email me
thelovelyShoshanaFlintstone@gmail.com

anony mouse

Ben:

Try wikipedia.

Ahavah

Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Tropper?

Ben

Can anyone tell me where these recordings are available on the net?
Thank you.

effie

So, the woman who spread her legs and prostituted herself for Tropper would be considered a Jew but a dead 13 year old boy is not? Wonderful.

Doresh El Hameisim

Tropper=Tipat Keri
Guma=Rubber a/k/a condom

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