Rabbi Who Endorses Killing Babies Has Unexpected Donor

Chabad rabbi also authorized the killing of leftist Jews.

Rabbi who endorses killing babies has an unexpected donor
By Akiva Eldar • Ha'aretz

Right-wing spokesmen, including some elected officials, rushed to place Yaakov "Jack" Teitel in the fringe group alongside Yigal Amir, Eden Natan Zada, Eliran Golan, Asher Weisgan, Danny Tikman and a few other "political/ideological" murderers. 

True, they acknowledge, there are among us several lunatic rabbis who agitate to violence. Really, just a handful; even a toddler could count them. 

The more stringent will note that unlike the Hamas government, our government does not pay the salaries of rabbis who advocate the killing of babies. 

Is that so? Not really. 

For example, government ministries regularly transfer support and funding to a yeshiva whose rabbi determined that it is permissible to kill gentile babies "because their presence assists murder, and there is reason to harm children if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us ... it is permissible to harm the children of a leader in order to stop him from acting evilly ... we have seen in the Halakha that even babies of gentiles who do not violate the seven Noahide laws, there is cause to kill them because of the future threat that will be caused if they are raised to be wicked people like their parents." 

Lior Yavne, who oversees research at the Yesh Din human rights organization, checked and found that in 2006-2007, the Ministry of Education department of Torah institutions transferred over a million shekels to the Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar. 

The Ministry of Social Affairs has allocated over 150,000 shekels to the yeshiva since 2007, scholarships for students with financial difficulties studying there. And what can they learn with the help of public funding from the head of the yeshiva, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira? According to selected items published last week in the media, the boys can learn that Teitel is not only innocent, but also a real saint. 

Their spiritual leader stated in his book, "Torat Hamelekh" that "a national decision is not necessary in order to permit the shedding of blood of an evil kingdom. Even individuals from the afflicted kingdom can attack them." 

A brochure distributed in Judean and Samarian communities stated that "needless to say that nowhere in the book does it state that these remarks are aimed only at gentiles in ancient times." 

The commandments in the book do not suffice only with gentiles; you can also find in them approval to attack leftist professors: every citizen in the kingdom opposing us who encourages the fighters or expresses satisfaction with their actions is considered a pursuer and his killing is permissible," wrote the rabbi and adds, "and also considered a pursuer is someone whose remarks weaken our kingdom or have a similar effect." 

Not long ago, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman announced that he would ask European Union countries to halt their support for the Breaking the Silence organization because he was displeased with their publications. 

The minister surely has reservations about the rabbi's publications. 

He is invited to approach his colleagues at the Ministry of Education and at the Ministry of Social Affairs. 

Rabbi Yitzchak Shapira and his mentor, Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh, are both followers of the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

Neither rabbi officially works for Chabad.

But Chabad has not yet issued a statement distancing itself from Shapira's book, and it has not yet made Shapira – or Ginsburgh, for that matter – persona non grata.

Comments

[fakewoodnj]

they are a bunch of whack job messianics. why would chabad want their name near these people even to declare them persona non Grata. the official chabad media arm has already denounced the messianics several times. you just like to cause ruckus, i think you would of made a great messianic because you both allow yourself to be guided by emotion.

[critical_minyan]

the state will cut the funding now. this should shut up the "rabbi", and future institutional rabble rousers.

[Yosef ben Matitya]

fakewoodnj

yes, i can see. you would be: fake wood!

[Hometown Postville]

Sounds like they are decendents of Hitler and his gas chambers. How disgusting to have that total disregard for human life, especially babies. They are nothing more than animals themselves!

[danny]

Nice. I guess that there are now fatwas in their religion.

[shmuel]

He quotes halacha? Which halacha? Whatever became of G-d's having rachmanut on Yishmael---or anyone--- because of "baasher hu sham"?

[Chicago Sam]

Rubbish.

Chabad has a moral obligation to condemn this meshuga rabbi who disgraces all Jews with his dangerous rhetoric.

The truth is Shapira is only mouthing what every Chabad shliach knows to be true.

Guess what? The Lubavitcher Rebbe has no clothes (to re-paraphrase Hans Christian Anderson).

[CR]

"Chabad has not yet issued a statement distancing itself from Shapira's book, and it has not yet made Shapira – or Ginsburgh, for that matter – persona non grata."

With nutbars like those it is best to not draw attention to them at all. Tolerate and ignore.

FWIW, Ginsburgh was considered a head-case even decades ago and has always been shunned by TzACh. I was involved with his work at Od Yosef Chai briefly in the early Nuns and we quickly came to a mutual parting of the ways.

[CR]

BTW, how much more evidence do we need that government funding of private organizations is virtually always a bad idea? Whether it is yeshivos, community organizations, "enterprise zones", what-have-you you will get misuse of funds and/or anti-social, even illegal activity on the taxpayer dime.

If their activities are the least bit worthwhile and valuable to the communities the serve then they should be sustainable on private sector support alone.

[reuven sabel]

this tragedy is caused by lubavitchers abandoning the teachings of the rebbe harashab who in his era was the most outspoken jewish anti-zionist in the world. the satmer rebbe, the munkatcher rebbe, and all the other anti-zionist rebbes got their idea to be anti-zionist from the rebbe harashab. the rebbe harashab said that zionism is the worst klipa that has existed in the history of the world! it is time for lubavitchers to listen to the rebbe harashab and become anti-zionist and join neturei karta and tell the whole world that lubavitch is, was, and allways will be anti-zionist.
also it is very important that if we are going to open chabad houses in places like mumbai where there is a chance of terrorist attacks against chabad houses, that we tell the world that we are anti -zionist and convince the heads of the terrorist organizations that we are very anti-zionist and that they should take chabad-lubavitch off their list of organizations that are targeted for terrorist attacks. we cannot stop the terrorists from being terrorists, but we can get the terrorists to stop hating chabad-lubavitch.

[reuven sabel]

rabbi yisroel dovid weiss and those people who go together with him to achmejinidad and hamas to tell the terrorists that judaism is opposed to zionism and that torah true jews are anti-zionist are the true defenders of the jewish people from terrorism. now we have to tell and convince the terrorists that chabad lubavitch is anti-zionist. maybe representatives of chabad-lubavitch have to go together with yisroel dovid weiss to the heads of the terrorist organizations to convince the heads of the terrorist organizations that chabad-lubavitch is anti-zionist.

[reuven sabel]

sholom mordechai rubashkin would have been smart to run away from america right after the terrorist american government arrested half of his employees for no crime other than they were not americans. he should have left america and devoted the rest of his life to traveling to the heads of the terrorist organizations together with yisroel dovid weiss to convince the heads of the terrorist organizations that chabad-lubavitch is anti-zionist and that the terrorists should not bother chabad-lubavitch because chabad-lubavitch is anti-zionist and that those lubavitchers who havenebuch become zionists are going against the teachings of the rebbe harashab.
even if rubashkin would have been killed by terrorists, his fate as a person killed al-kidush-hashem would have been much better than the fate that probably awaits him of having to spend the rest of his life in jail.
it is more important for us torah-true jews to convince the terrorist that we are anti-zionist than it is for us to eat meat. even if eating meat on shabos was a biblical commandment and not just a rabbinical commandment, it would still be more important to convince the terrorists that torah-true jews are not zionists and that torah-true judaism is very anti-zionist than it would be to eat meat on shabos because pikuach nefesh is more important than shabos and it is a mitzva to break shabos if necessary to save jewish lives from getting killed by terrorists.

[Yerachmiel Lopin (FrumFollies.wordpress.com)]

Reuven, when I write R. Menachem Mendel Schneerson do I end with shlita or z'l? Do I daven at the kever or say yechi?

[reuven sabel]

i am not advocating that we should break shabos by traveling to the terrorists on shabos. i am only saying that convincing the terrorists that torah-true jews are anti-zionist and that lubavitchers are anti-zionist torah-true jews is more important than supplying jews with meat to eat and that if rubashkin would have realized this he would not be in america and not be in jail.
rubashkin is in jail because he didnt do teshuva for being a zionist before he was caught and didnt leave america before he was caught. the vast majority of lubavitchers have abandoned the anti-zionist teachings of the rebbe harashab and instead follow the militant zionist teachings of rabbis ginsberg and shapira.
all lubavitchers must do teshuva and go back to following the anti-zionist teachings of the rebbe harashab.

[CR]

"all lubavitchers must do teshuva and go back to following the anti-zionist teachings of the rebbe harashab."

So, the subsequent actions of the Rebbe RaYaTz in building K'far Chabad and of Unzer Rebbe, MaMoSH ZTVKLLH"H in all of his statements and actions concerting E"Y are of no consequence, right?

Sorry to burst your bubble, Roovy, but your entire Shitah is long past its expiration date.

[reuven sabel]

the rebbe rayatz said that moshiach was supposed to come after world war 2 but that the jews wanted to have a jewish state more than they wanted moshiach to come and that because a jewish state was created it posponed the coming of moshiach for 50 years. the rebbe mamosh interpreted this teaching of the rebbe rayatz to mean that the political entity that was created by the zionists would last for 50 years whether we like it or not. sure the rebbe would have liked it if moshiach would have come sooner, but the rebbe knew that the zionist political entity would last for 50 years whether we like it or not. the lubavitcher rebbe decided that he would leave talking against zionism to the satmar rebbe and the satmar hasidim and that lubavitchers should pretend to be zionists for the purpose of befriending the zionists in the hope that the zionists would become religious. the lubavitcher rebbe was right in making this decision at the time that he made it because as we see it, no amount of anti-zionism has caused the zionists to do teshuva for being zionists but at least a very large number of zionists have become shomer torah umitzvos because the lubavitcher rebbe decided to befriend the zionists for the purpose of mekareving the zionists to yidishkeit.

[CR]

Nice revisionist attempt. The fact of the matter is that the RaYaTz was such an anti-zionist in his day that he would make Dovid Weiss blush. Still, he ordered the establishment of K'far Chabad; the premier Lubavitcher town in Israel. After the state was established even the RaYaTz knew that the Anti-Zionist platform of past years was a dead letter. His actions belie all of your assertions. This says nothing of Unzer Rebbe inviting government officials, including Presidents and Prime Ministers, to sit with him on the dais at farbrengens. His actions were about as much of a ringing endorsement of the State of Israel as you could possibly imagine and a complete coup-de-grace to any Chabad Anti-Zionist shitos that may have existed previously. Perhaps Lubavitchers do not refer to "Reishit Semichat Ge'ulateinu" like some others but the endorsement is real. The idea of the Rebbeim suggesting that "lubavitchers should pretend to be zionists" is just silly.

Again, your shitah officially expired on Hey Iyar, 5708 and it is never coming back to life. And your continued kneeling and prostrating to Achmedinejad and his Hezzie proteges is just demeaning.

[reuven sabel]

we dont kneel or prostate ourselves to achmejinidad or any other terrorist because we dont kneel or prostate ourselves to any man. we only kneel and prostate ourselves before G-d. if we would kneel or prostate ourselves before any man the muslim terrorists would kill us on the spot for being idol-worshippers who worship men instead of worshipping G-d.

[reuven sabel]

the rebbe's shita that we should pretend to be zionists for the purpose of befriending and mekareving the zionists ended on hey iyar 5758, 50 years after the creation of the zionist political entity and the rebbe melech hamoshiach has not yet said anything to the contrary. when the rebbe melech hamoshiach says anything to the contrary to say that we should support zionism and not be zionist, i will become a zionist.

[reuven sabel]

the establishment of kfar chabad has nothing to do with zionism. satmar has also established satmar communities in the holy land. the rebbe rayatz never became a zionist and the rebbe mamosh only pretended to be a zionist and only for the holy purpose of befriending the zionists in the hope that the zionists would do teshuva. because of the rebbe's having befriended the zionists instead of being openly against the zionists, hundreds of thousands of zionist who were previously not religious have become religious.
but because of the terrorist massacre at chabad of mumbai, we have to re-evaluate our idea that we should pretend to be zionists. it is now an inyan of pekuach nefesh that we have to convince the terrorists that we are anti-zionist.

[Ahavah]

Reuven's apparently stinted historical education fails to account for the attacks against Jews in middle eastern countries in the 20s and 30s before Israel was even a state. Telling Muslims you are not Zionist won't do a thing to stop them from killing you. Obviously you haven't read the Koran, but some of us out here in the land of the educated have - and it says plainly Jews should be killed and has said so since the 7th century CE. Those "enlightened" rulers of the Ottoman empire who ignored the verses in those suras were acting against the letter of Sharia - their opinion is no longer considered valid by Islam. So, Reuven, if you want to get along with Muslims, kill yourself - because that's the only way it's going to happen. Ask the Yemenite Jews how "peaceful" their lives have been lately - and they did NOTHING to indicate they supported zionism. They minded their own business and lived their lives in quiet and were hunted down and shot anyway. That is what Islam intends for all Jews, and they state it over and over in their Arabic radio sermons and publications. "Convincing" them you are anti-zionist just means they can kill you last, because you're too stupid to defend yourselves.

[CR]

"we dont kneel or prostate ourselves to achmejinidad or any other terrorist because we dont kneel or prostate ourselves to any man. we only kneel and prostate ourselves before G-d. "

Someone forgot to tell these guys. I see lots of head/hat tipping going on here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-r04SQ97_Q

"the rebbe mamosh only pretended to be a zionist"

Total fantasy. The Rebbe's actions in helping build the state and its institutions and even encouraging thousands of his Chassidim to live there as productive citizens (NOT as wards of the Welfare State) show complete and total Ehrlichkeit. Pretending? In your insane machniations perhaps but not in this world.

"it is now an inyan of pekuach nefesh that we have to convince the terrorists that we are anti-zionist."

So, now you are afraid of a certain Areil that you cower in fear in front of him? Perhaps the Shomrim/Shmira organizations should just fold up and we should all grovel and snivel in front of the muggers/burglars/etc who terrorize us in NYC and elsewhere and convince them that we don't want to take over "their" neighborhoods.

You are one laughable piece of work, Roovy. You have my sympathies and wishes for a Refuah Shelaimah.

[Isaac Balbin]

Reuven:

convincing the terrorists that torah-true jews are anti-zionist and that lubavitchers are anti-zionist torah-true jews is more important than supplying jews with meat to eat

So why didn't you join Beck and Co and go to see Ahmadinajad? Why not take a stroll into Gaza and chat with Gilad Shalit. I am sure that if he denounces the State, they will immediately release him. If you only showed the same zeal as those "who supply Jews with food" and created your revisionist Chabad House in Peshawar, you could influence the Taliban Noahides?

By the way, when the Lubavitcher Rebbe quoted the Rambam as saying that when one's borders are in danger, even over matters of straw and produce, one is obliged to confront them militarily and not take a backward step, I wonder why he didn't say that the "correct" approach is to go over to the enemy and appease them by stating that you are against the government?

Who is your Mashpia, Reuven? I hope you will have the guts to tell us. You are emjoined to have a Mashpia as I understand it.

[nobody]

Enough of this blood libel. This is complete garbage. A total smear campaign against the national religious. Rabbi Shapira was speaking about IN WARFARE, when the child does something that puts the soldier in danger. He was not speaking about going up to a kid and killing him because he's ____ (fill in your type of gentile in the blank). Stop making it out to be something it isn't.

[Dan]

The Haaretz article is poorly written and doesn't make any sense. Why was it posted here? Much of what you post is disagreeable, but, usually it isn't gibberish.

[Guillermo DaGoy]

Nobody, where did the" learned one" actually predicate that his opinion was contingent on "warfare"? I missed it.

[Guillermo DaGoy]

And BTW, the only "blood" that's "libel" to be spilt, is that of infants. But then again, those infants are not fully "iinfant" right?

[reuven sabel]

what happened in the 20's and 30's and since then was after the zionist balfour declaration. we should instead be trying to find arab attacks against jews that took place before the balfour declaration.

[A. Nuran]

Nobody, he isn't even saying that sometimes innocents get killed during war. He very clearly states "nits make lice". Gentile babies will grow up to murder Jews, so kill them now.

He is no different than Hitler.

[nobody]

No you haven't read what he wrote, you only read the twisted report that Haaretz wrote up about it, and shmarya's misleading headline. Get real.

[reuven sabel]

nobody has mentioned any arab attacks against jews that took place before the balfour declaration because there were no ara attacks against jews before the balfour declaration.

[peter]

I remember attending a shabbaton at a settlement hosted by a guy from a Tzioni BT yeshiva, accompanied by three other guys from Aish. One of them bothered to state very strongly in the course of a group discussion (actually, a butchering of a teaching of Rav Kook), that he would gladly, willingly slaughter Palestinian babies with his bare hands, etc, etc...for some reason, the girls at the shabbaton really favored him. Perhaps it was that nurturing je nous se qua about him. And they liked the quasi-charedi Iraqi guy into hip-hop. Even the gay German kid. I was resoundingly dissed. This religion, like every ideology, takes all kinds.

[Runner1983]

This rabbi and those like him are not practicing Jusaism, but something else. He is sick, sick, sick!