Septic Tank Standoff In Kiryas Joel

Dueling hasidic factions "riot" over septic tank.

The dissident synagogue mentioned was given as a gift to members from the original Satmar Rebbetzin:

Septic tank standoff ends peacefully in Kiryas Joel
By Chris Mckenna • Times Herald-Record

KIRYAS JOEL — The battle over utility connections to a dissident synagogue had been raging for a couple weeks, ever since Kiryas Joel's main congregation shut off the services and the opposition group found a way to restore them, in an improvised fashion.

The skirmishes went on and on. Someone from the main group boarded a hydraulic lift and sliced the electrical cord running to the shul from a neighboring property to provide power.

The dissidents taped the pieces together.

So it came as little surprise Thursday when retribution rolled around the corner of the building in the form of a backhoe, sent by the main congregation to remove two septic holding tanks the dissidents had buried outside to provide temporary sewer service.

A riot has begun, dissident leader Joseph Waldman exclaimed by cell phone, as his fellow congregants swarmed around the backhoe, spectators gathered and state troopers converged on the site.

The two sides are at war over the house of worship, which has operated for more than 25 years in a former apartment attached to the back of main congregation's giant, stone synagogue on Garfield Road.

A trial court and then an appeals court have ruled that the dissidents must seek belated approval from the village to use the former residence for prayer. But what is disputed now is whether the main congregation was entitled to block utilities and which side owns the land where the holding tanks were placed.

Hence the backhoe.

By the time a trooper and state police sergeant arrived, the backhoe had ripped out a metal fence, and young men were clinging to its bucket to prevent further destruction.

The backhoe came courtesy of developer Sol Ekstein, son of David Ekstein, president of the main congregation, Yetev Lev.

Standing beside it, Ekstein first lied to a reporter about his name – “Bernie Frish” – and then lied about ripping out the mangled fence, which his driver readily admitted doing when asked.

A two-hour standoff ensued. Finally, the elder Ekstein and Waldman were summoned to the nearby state police barracks to meet with a commander. Waldman called from there with a victorious message.

“God was with us!” he said. “Nothing is going to be touched.”

Shortly afterward, he stood smiling outside the synagogue, yalmulke pulled forward jauntily on his head, white shirt sleeves rolled up. His fellow congregants were singing and clapping as the backhoe pulled away.

Comments

[WoolSilkCotton]

Gee Wiz, and this can't be solved by the Bais Din?

And we're supposed to take all the most serious legal issues to the Bais Din?

What a bunch of a-holes. I can only imagine what that guy in the orange sweatshirt must be thinking.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Mumps Outbreak in Lakewood Linked to Brooklyn

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/
local_news/new_jersey/091023
_mumps_outbreak_new_jersey

[effie]

I saw the news about the mumps outbreak. Are they against vaccinations? The male adults are in for a rude awakening.

[Barry]

A plague on both their houses!

Don't they know that Chodosh is Assur min HaToirah! To allow modern inventions such as electricity or toilets in a Shul of all places!

Whats wrong with the all Satmar practice of relieving oneself in ones streimel in a shul so dark that no one else would notice.

[seymour]

remember they are the keepers of Judaism they represent the pinnacle of our faith

[norm]

I heard that the Essenes woiuld not releif themselves on Shabbat-is that true and do the Satmar believe this also.

[critical_minyan]

fighting over a septic tank is a metaphor for their entire religous beliefs.

[WoolSIlkCotton]

++critical_minyan | October 23, 2009 at 09:20 AM ++

LOL!!!

[WoolSIlkCotton]

Their regard for preventative health care, routine vaccinations, sanitary conditions, etc. really comes to a 'head' with this story, as well as the mumps outbreak.

This time, they can't blame it on Mexicans, but they'll try to hang it on the internet, TV, self-hating secular Jews, bloggers, etc.

[rabbidw]

Back to the mumps. The kids WERE vaccinated, but sometimes, statistically, the vaccine does not take.
As far as the Satmar, any chance we could see a real mob war? Blood, gore (not Al) people hospitalized, jailed? That would be a real kiddush Hashem wouldn't it? Let them kill each other.

[Phillip]

What happen to garbage cans? I guess when one is
so busy praying....the need to put your trash in a
can in not important.
The State should just call the whole town a sanity
a danger to the health of children and close the
place down.

[effie]

Back to the mumps. The kids WERE vaccinated, but sometimes, statistically, the vaccine does not take.

Sorry, but outbreaks like this are due to low vaccination rates - not weak vaccines.

[Rob Wisler]

The inevitable legacy of the jackass Joel Teitelbaum raises its ugly head again.

This is an example of just what Joel's "learning", writings, and "tzidkis" were worth -- the contents of a septic tank.

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

There was nearly a Columbine-type episode at the public High School near KJ this week.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091020/NEWS/910209970

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

Norm - according to 1QS (The Manual of Discipline, Serekh haYahad, one of the Dead Sea Scrolls), upon admission to the Community people were issued shovels to bury their excrement. Would help at KJ if they had similar initiative

[Ben]

It is disgustingly dirty. Why do they have plastic cups, paper and other junk all over the place right next to their shul? Where is respect for the place of prayer?

[mike]

What would the "Tanker" Rav say about all this?

[Dave Marshall]

This gives new meaning to the Erma Bombeck book "The Grass is greener over the septic tank". Ha ha ha !

[WoolSilkCotton]

They are also spreading mumps to Montreal:

http://www.vosizneias.com/40286/2009/10/23/canada-mumps-outbreak-in-montreal/print/

[effie]

They are reporting that those with the disease have been vaccinated. However, outbreaks of this type are happening more frequently and it is due to failure to vaccinate. They should call in the CDC to do an investigation.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Hard to get the truth from our hasidic coreligionists, especially when someone is trying to investigate them. They will all claim to have been vaccinated.
From their track record regarding science, safety, and general disdain for civil law and government, as well as efforts to evade the law at every turn, I'm sure their claims of having been vaccinated are false.
Herd immunity only works to a point. When most of the community are antediluvians who won't get vaccinated, you reach that point.

[R]

Yes the mumps is going around where i live among the charedi neighbourhoods. They have been coming in the chemist asking what the symptoms for mumps is...measles was last time, this time it's mumps and next it'll be rubella.
This is because they are NOT vaccinating their children and the ones that are, are not giving their children the booster vaccine. There are 2 MMR jabs and they are only giving their children ONE if any.

[WoolSilkCotton]

While it is conceivable that a vaccine fails once in a very great while, it is statistically impossible to believe that numerous failures have occurred in such a short period of time, and all involving chassidic/charedi Jews in 3 different geographic areas.

Besides the failure to be vaccinated, there is also the overcrowded and unsanitary living and school conditions, such as the lead story here and on the other current thread about the illegal 'school' being run in a residential home.

This is the kind of stuff you read about happening in third world countries and backward uneducated societies. Welcome to the third world of Lakewood, Boro Park, Wmsburg, KJ, etc.

[WoolSilkCotton]

R, booster doses should also be given beyond the teenage years. Please see the CDC schedule below:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/default.htm

[frumish]

ברוך אתה יהוה אלוהינו מלך העולם שלא עשני סאטמאר

[WoolSilkCotton]

Frumish, a Gutte Voche, and LOL!

[reuven sabel]

philip:
you are a nazi who wants to made kiryas yoel yudenrein.

[Mr. Apikorus]

A Mumps epidemic among Haredi males wouldn't be a bad thing.

Nevertheless, I agree with Philip: Kiryas Joel should be closed down, along with New Square.

These Haredim are an embarrassment and a disgrace to their fellow Jews, myself included.

[R]

WSC according to this they only get 2.
http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines/MMR/The_vaccine/mmr_vaccine

And that is fine generally, until people don't give them.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Yolish Krauss Arrested after he allegedly assaults woman in Mea She'arim

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256150047660&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[harold]

Police quell riot at Temple Mount

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/10/25/Police-quell-riot-at-Temple-Mount/UPI-39931256481053/

[Hometown Postville]

To tell you the truth, with the news that's been coming out of there lately, when I saw the headline I half-expected to read that the KIRYAS JOEL rabbis were protesting the mixing of male and female waste products!!!