Haredi Father Blocks Paramedics From Taking Severely Burned Baby Daughter To Hadassah Hospital

Haredi man says his rabbi told him not to allow his baby to be treated at Hadassah. Baby brought to hospital that does <I>not</I> have a burn unit.

Haredi father blocks burned toddler from Hadassah
Crisis between ultra-Orthodox public and Jerusalem's Hadassah Hospital surfaces again. Even though his 16-month old suffered from severe burns on her body caused by boiling water spilled on her, father refuses to allow ambulance to take his daughter to Hadassah because 'rabbi advised otherwise'
Ronen Medzini • Ynet

A 16-month-old toddler, who was severely burned when boiling water spilled on her, was hospitalized Friday morning in Shaare Zedek Medical Center in Jerusalem, which does not have a burn unit, because her father opposed her hospitalization in Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital. The father justified his insistent refusal, claiming that "the rabbi advised otherwise."

About a month ago, the tensions aroused between the hospital and the haredi community by the 'starving mother' affair seemed to have subsided. However, now it seems as though the ultra-Orthodox boycott of the hospital is alive and kicking. Magen David Adom paramedics sought to evacuate the toddler suffering from severe burns caused by boiling water to Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital because there is a specialized burn unit there.

The father, however, expressed his strong opposition. According to the medical team on the ambulance, the father caused a commotion on the ambulance and insisted that his daughter be taken to Shaare Zedek Medical Center.

"The 16-month-old toddler was apparently burned by boiling water," said to Ynet Ilya Davoner, a Jerusalem Magen David Adom paramedic who evacuated the girl to the hospital. "An ambulance arrived to evacuate her to the hospital. Halfway there, we transferred her to a mobile intensive care unit. She suffered from second-degree burns over 15% to 20% of her body. The burns were mainly on her face, chest, and shoulders."

"We wanted to evacuate her to Hadassah Ein Kerem hospital," he said, "but the father actively resisted, shouted, and caused a ruckus. He told us: 'Hadassah Ein Kerem doesn't treat our group well. That's what the rabbi suggested to me, and I am following the rabbi's recommendation.' The father insisted on going to Shaare Zedek Hospital despite our attempts to convince him to choose Hadassah Ein Kerem, where the treatment options are better considering the toddler's health condition. She is currently hospitalized at Shaare Zedek."
 
Hezi Rot, on call for United Hatzalah, a volunteer emergency medical service, provided first aid to the toddler outside the family's home. "The parents came downstairs with the toddler towards the medical team," he said.

"She was naked and wrapped in wet towels that the family had dressed her in. She suffered from burns all over her body from a pot of boiling water that spilled on her. Her skin was peeling. It was a serious burn. We immediately provided her first aid with bandaging. The parents were very stressed, panicked."

Rot recounted that some neighbors on the spot pressured the parents not to take the girl to Hadassah Ein Kerem: "This is a family with children. Of course they were very stressed. At the same time, a group of neighbors messed with their minds with protest. They said, especially to the mother: 'No way should you take her to Hadassah Ein Kerem.' Apparently, the pressure worked."

Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital has withheld comment at this time.

[Hat Tip: Seymour.]

Comments

[Rob Wisler]

So be it. Let 'em take their kids to any hospital they want. If the kid gets second-rate care, so be it. Let the trashbag family suffer the consequences of their foolishness. It's a free country.

[seymour]

Rob Wisler

have some pity on the child, it is not hger fault the father is a moron.

I think the father and rov should be arrested for child abuse

[R]

i think they should not be listening to the parents regarding such issues, they should be doing what is best for the patient. If the parents create problems for the ambulance crew, they should have called ahead to the hospital to have security forcibly remove the problem parent while they take the child to get the care she needs.
What selfish disgusting parents. Maybe social services ought to get involved with such cases.

[effie]

Enough is enough. Not sure a hospital without a burn unit should accept a burn patient.

I am now convinced that Haredi parents do not love their children and like to see them suffer and in pain.

[sage]

And where would the Papa go if he was the one burned?

Directly to Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital.

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

If the father understood there was NO BURN UNIT at Sh"Tz, and there WAS ONE at Hadassah, and still refused to let her be taken to the latter, then he is a RODEF.

Is that too harsh? I should be kinder on Erev Shabbos. Forgive me. Maybe he's merely a stupid PUTZ, living in a neighborhood of stupid putzes.

[harold]

I am now convinced that Haredi parents do not love their children and like to see them suffer and in pain.

Is this all Haredi parents or this one?

[A. Nuran]

This is what comes of blind obedience to tribal witch doctors.

[effie]

All. Those who don't abuse their children enable those who do.

[:)]

And when the child is disfigured and the family cannot find a suitable choson as she is damaged, let the rabbi give his son in marriage.

[reuven sabel]

there is a dangerous doctormengala in hadassah hospital who ordered 3 year old chaim markowitz to be starved, even after alternative health practitioners said that chaim markowitz should be fed instead of starved. hadassah refused to transfer chaim markowitz to tel hashomer hospital until we brought unbearable pressure against hadassah hospital by rioting on the streets of the holy city. our holy riots got hadassah hospital to finally transfer chaim markowitz to tel shashomer hospital where the good doctors at tel hashomer hospital found chaim's problem and fed him very well for a week until he was able to leave the hospital, go to his uncle's house, and start school.
if this 16 month old girl would have gone to hadassah hospital for her burns, we might have had to burn down jerusalem to get the doctormengalas there to stop malpracticing on her.
the truth will set us free
we shall overcome
BURN BABY BURN

[effie]

You wouldn't know the truth reuven if it slapped you in your face.

[Hotspur]

The poor girl, I had my arm splattered by hot grease and even light burns hurt terribly. Seriously, people like the father terrify me, because we used to be a culture that valued life. We can mechalel shabbos to give a baby comfort. How dare this rabbi give instructions to give the child second rate care to suit a political agenda.

And seriously, Reuven Sabel frightens me. It's people like him that make me ashamed to be Jewish.

[Hometown Postville]

This is no time to be taking a rabbi's advice over a doctor. You said it, Hotspur: How dare this rabbi give instructions to give the child second rate care to suit a political agenda! It DOES sound political instead of religious! Would he have been more inclined to leave a baby boy at the hosp with the burn unit?

[Nurse Yachne]

The law needs to decide on a policy here, as do the other Jerusalem hospitals.

If it were legal to allow Haredim or anyone else not to treat their children at Hadassah, though, believe me, we don't need them and we wouldn't miss them.

True, it's not fair to the child, but children always suffer from the mistakes and ignorance of their parents, and there's a limit to what one can do.

Just make the law and the hospital policies clear, and then follow through.

[Mr. Apikorus]

Hotspur:

RS is a couple fries short of a Happy Meal. He's no danger to anyone here, except possibly himself.

There are people here whose attitudes are really, really dangerous, such as the woman who advocates loyalty oaths for Israelis who are not halaichally Jewish according to the Haredim, and confiscation of their property along with expulsion if they refuse to take one.

She and her tag team partner make Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy a moderate by comparison.

[effie]

I can empathize with people like RS who have "issues" but this calling decent caring people Menegeles is highly offensive and unacceptable.

[reuven sabel]

holy beggar mr apikoris who fools himself into thinking he is an apikoris,
i have stated any restated many, many times that the internet is not the proper forum to discuss my sanity or lack thereof.
if you want to discuss issues redarding my sanity or lack thereof, you may do so on the telephome. my number is 845-659-9162.

[reuven sabel]

if this child was in hadassah hospital and the doctormengalas there commited medical malpractice against her and her parents would protest against the medical malpractice, the evil zionist nazi gestapo stormtroopers would throw the parents in jail and we would have to burn down zionist occupied jerusalem to get the parents out of jail.
BURN BABY BURN

[Dr. Dave]

Reuven -

Again, not all doctors are evil. Seek help. Take your medication.

[reuven sabel]

holy brother dr dave,
you are right. not all doctors are evil. i would hope that you are from the majority of doctors who are good doctors, but because you are telling me to take medication when you never even met me, i can only presume that you are at best an irresponsible doctor.
once again! i have stated unequivocally that my sanity or lack thereof is not to be discussed on the internet. anybody who wants to know diagnose my sanity or lack thereof may speak to me on the phone about it. my number is 845-659-9162.

[Dr. Dave]

Reuven -

I suggested that you take the medication that was prescribed to you by your physician.

It is irresponsible to ignore your physician's recommendarions.

It is also irresponsible to post your telephone number in a public forum such as this.

May G-d give you a refua shlaimah.

[reuven sabel]

holy brother dr dave,
i have no money to go to a doctor and even if i had money to throw away on doctors i woundnt go to doctors because reb nachman breslaver said not to go to doctors.
i post my number because i am not scared of people harassing me on the phone. my wife wants me to change my phone number because of the people who are allready harassing me on the phone sort of, so i compromise with my wife and turn off my ringer when she wants to go to sleep so that my friend who harasses me by calling me in the middle of the night shouldnt wake her up by ringing my phone. i am surprized that none of the apikorsim from failed messiah are calling me.
i do feel that i am being harassed by people who have never met me or even talked with me and therefore do not know me who are implying that i am insane by saying things about me that they have no right to say about me without knowing me and who are judging me to be insane solely on the basis of my religious and political opinions. this is mamash alilas dam. this is mamash hatred of people for their religious and political opinions.
my number is 845-659-9162.
speak to me, not to my computer, or forever hold your peace.

[Mr. Apikorus]

If you post your phone number and invite harassment it's not harassment, Reuven. Nonetheless, I'm not gonna waste my time and my dime calling you.

[reuven sabel]

i am not being harrassed or even called at all by anybody who has found my number on the internet. i do however sometimes get harassment calls from teenagers who have nothing better to do and 20 years ago i was getting harassment calls from people who wanted me to give my first wife a get. if i have a problem with harassment calls, i will turn off the ringer when i dont want the phone to ring.

[Asa]

The posters at FM (the non-trolls, at least) aren't the harrassing sort, Reuven, which is why you'll probably never get a call from anyone here.

[soso]

Reuven Sabel: I think it's not nice towards the chareidim to give them a bad name with your strange postings.

If you want to denigrate chareidim, do it openly and say what you do not like.

[Nurse Yachne]

I'm sure all our readers can see why patients like Reuven Sabel would be a pleasure and a delight to care for. At least when the terrorists swear at us in the ER, we can't understand what they're saying.

Reuven, if you fall and break your leg, don't come running to us. Please.

[reuven sabel]

the reason that there are arab terrorists is so that the zionists should realize that they have a worse enemy than the haredim and so the zionists should be too busy dealing with arab terrorists to have any time ti bother the haredim.
make peace with the haredim and the threat of arab terrorism will disappear.

[Mr. Apikorus]

NY, if RS falls and breaks his leg, he'll have to come hopping to you.

[reuven sabel]

WHY DO YOU EXPECT ME TO FALL AND BREAK MY LEG

[Mr. Apikorus]

One of your many problems, Reuven, is that you have absolutely no sense of humor, and you take everything literally.

If you break your leg, you'll have to hop on the other one. Get it?