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July 15, 2009

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Isa

See the golden dome...
The roof was 'ripped' off a church either in Lebanon or Syria.

Yochanan Lavie

Islam has actually become more intolerant in recent years. It's a shame; we could have cooperated on shared access to Har HaBayit.

Yochanan Lavie

Burning Down the Temple (apologies: Talking Heads)[Special for the 3 weeks]

Watch out
You might get a big disaster
Cruel Romans
Strange but not a stranger
I'm an ordinary Jew
Burning down the House

Hold tight till sinat chinam's over
Hold tight were in for nasty weather
There has got to be a way
Burning down the House

Here's your kick-out, pack your bag: time for jumpin' overseas
The diaspora is here
Close enough but not too far, maybe you know where you are
Fightin' fire with prayer

All sent-
Hey you might need a road map
Shakedown
Jews walking in broad daylight
Three hun-dred six-ty five refugees
Burning down the House

It was once upon a place sometimes I listen to my God
Gonna come eventually
Muslims on their way to jihad, bubbeleh what did you expect
Gonna burst into flame

His House-
out of the ordinary
Who's might?
Don't want to hurt nobody
Some things sure can sweep me off my feet
Burning down the House

No imminent means of rapport [with the Muslims] and you have not seen nuthin' yet
Cluster f*ck together
I don't know what you expect starring into the tv set
Fighting nukes with missles

justayid

holy cites tend to remain holy.

There is evidence the Church of the Holy Sepulchre was built on the site of a pagan temple to Aphrodite, for example. The hagia sophia mosque is of course Justinians church. Many churches were build on pagan holy sites.

As an aside, IIUC there is evidence (from coins, texts, etc) that Bar Kokhba may have built a third temple. That would make the Dome of the Rock the Fourth Temple.

As an aside, is a 7th century midrash really an "early" midrash?

maven

Justayid: Yes, since most of the midrashic compilations we have now are later than that.

Its not a surprise nor a secret that the Jews were happy with the Islamic invasion; the Byzantine empire was a terrible burden on the Jews remaining in Israel, as is also seen in the texts of HaKallir and Yanai. We forget that Christian rule was in almost every circumstance much worse than Islamic rule, other than in very recent times.

justayid

maven:it really varied from time to time and place to place. Yeah, the Byzantines were awful. The Ottomans (much later) were pretty good. The omayyad regime in Spain was pretty good. But successor to the Omayyads were not so good (the almohads and almoravids especially) and not every christian spanish regime was that bad, at least pre-1300. The convincia (living together) in spain was not something that ONLY happened in the muslim states.

Im not denying that on average, from 700 to 1700, the muslim world was better for jews. I think there is a tendency to exaggerate (for modern political reasons) the extent of that, and the homogeneity of each side.

Yankele

"Jews And Muslims Once Prayed Together On The Temple Mount"

SO What,

Shmarya Rosenberg was once a Shabbat guest at the Rubashkin house. And look what happened to that relationship :-)

steve

"Jews And Muslims Once Prayed Together On The Temple Mount"

Hinei Ma Tov Uma Naim Shevet Bnei Achim Gam Yachad.

nobody

Where is the proof that this midrash dates to 7th century like some commenters are claiming?

Dave Marshall

Frankly speaking, sadly, most Arabs respect power. If there were 180 million Jews in the world (that's still only 2 percent of the world's projected 2050 population of 9 billion- for this of us who still love being a minority)- if there were 180 million Jews in the world, the Palestinians would no doubt be willing to make peace on very good terms for us.
That's one of the reasons, although my least important reason, for promoting Judaism worldwide (especially in the 3rd world)

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