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July 09, 2009

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Honestlyfrum

Looks like OnlySimchas was this man's downfall!

MalachHamovies

All of this is due to the post world war 2 litvish/chassidish world.

A man caanot be trained in anything. No birth control equals tons of kids. Must support kids in kollel after marriage. Must spend on expensive tutions, camps and wedding gifts.

Obligated to spend money on expensive suits and headwear (shtreimels for chassidim,borsalinos for litvish plus weekday hats) and dry cleaning.

And nobody should steal or make a chillul hashem !!!!

It doesn't really add up to me. If it does, can someone please help me out ?

ah-pee-chorus

the victims weren't jewish so no halachic problem . he is a tsaddik who started a shul in the holy lakewood. finally a rebbe we can all be proud of.

Alternative Childcare

I think this is the best comment I've seen so far, up on the Wiener Zeitung page, its actually transliterated Yiddish, and like on this site recently, contains an immediate reference to the Neo-Nazi party:

ICH KENNE HERRN STRULOVIC ER HAT MIT SEINEN GELD VIELE LEUTE GEHOLFEN ER IZ INDROISEN BURECH HASHEM
UND AN IHNEN HER SKANDAL SIE GEHERN EINFACH INS TIERGARTEN WAS HAT DAS MIT JUDEN ZU TUHN WEN EIN CRIST REI GESPROCHEN WIRD SIND ALLE CRISTEN SCHULD ALSO SIE SIND EINFACH RASISTISCH MOTOVIERT UND SEIN MITGLIEDER DES FPO

Alternative Childcare

APC: apparently he got off easy because most of his victims weren't really Austrian, either, apparently mostly gastarbeiter.

shmuel

Charedi fantasyland pshat:
"R' Chaim Moshe Strulowitz, who has a Shul at 8th and Madison and was arrested last year on Shavuos by the FBI, has been acquitted from all charges today in Vienna."

The world of reality pshat:
"On the fourth day, he pleads guilty, admitting that he was the head of a conglomerate of firms that defrauded at least 43 persons, for a total sum of at least 3 Million Euro. When he was arrested in June 2008, the major Austrian newspaper “Die Presse” spoke about a total fraud sum of 13,5 million Euros and 120 victims."

"He was condemned to ten months jail without probation plus twenty months with a probation period of three years. He was set free immediately, since he had already served the sentence in custody. The judged also fined him with $200,000."

Charedim can't bear the thought that one of their own can actually steal and defraud, so of course he was "acquitted from [sic] all charges." With an attitude like that, and writing English as if it were Yiddish, it's not surprising they have the problems they do.

ah-pee-chorus

AC: you're probably right.

Ben

Shmuel, I think Haredim can bear though of one of their own to be a crook. The thought that they can not bear is that haredi crook can be caught and punished for his crimes. Being caught is Hillul Hashem. Stealing .... not so much by the holy and fearful ones.

MisterApikoros

Both the English and the German versions state that Strulovics was indeed found guilty by an Austrian court, and sentenced to 3 years, of which ten months was to be served in prison, and the rest under supervised probation. As he spent a year in custody, the first part was deemed fulfilled by the time he had already served. He also has to pay a E130,000 fine, which at current rates of exchange works out to $180,000.

Best as I can translate the Yiddishized German, it seems to have come from one of Strulovics' supporters who made the lame claim that Strulovics' was a godly man and that the charges against him were racially motivated by the FPO, a conservative (not neo-Nazi) party.

The late Jeorg Haider (who died driving drunk with his BAC more than double the legal limit BTW) was indeed a neo-Nazi, but he split from the FPO, and formed his own party, which arguably could be called neo-Nazi.

I'll translate the long German excerpt when I get a chance. As my first wife (who spoke perfect English, she came to the USA as a child in 1959) died in 1998, my German ain't what it used to be.

I primarily used German to speak to my mother-in-law, whose English wasn't good.

Dr. Dave

He's a sinner and should not get an aliyah in shul, his children should not be allowed in school nor should they have shidduchs made in the community.

Oh, I'm sorry he just stole and impoverished over 100 people. I'ts not like he reported a rabbi for being a child molester or listened to a woman sing or did anything else that would embarass the Satmar community.

Forget it. Give him a medal.

MisterApikoros

From what I have read in the German commentary, Strulovics wasn't a legal US resident at any time, and was harbored by the Lakewood community as an ILLEGAL ALIEN.

So why would the INS let this guy back in? I thought that if one were convicted of a felony, and stealing $20 million or so certainly qualifies, you're not allowed in the US even as a tourist.

He and his family can emigrate to Poland where they all belong.

steve

Disgusting. "Mr. Strulovitz a major supporter of Satmar institutions received emotional support from The Satmar rebbe..." The same old MO. Another criminal that covers up his crap with the diaper of giving tzedaka. This leads to all kinds of calls of "pidyon shvuyim" from the leaders of these institutions that accepted his ill gotten gains. What would have happened if this guy didn't give tzedaka and didn't wear a beard and streimel/hat? Right, he would be just another filthy swindler, locked up in jail where he belongs.

Dr. Dave

Wonder whatwould've happened if Bernie Madoff wore a shtreimel and a beard.


I shudder to consider it.

alternative childcare

Dr. Dave: I think that to those who see the world in that way, it doesn't matter how he's dressed, its all the same, as in the famous scene in that Woody Allen movie. If one doesn't see the world that way, then one doesn't judge millions of people based on an individual's actions.

(and that's also appropos Mrapikoros's lovely idea of sending them all back to "Poland where they all belong").

soso

Look at what lengths some comentators go to "protect their own".

All of a sudden, stealing is not forbidden according to torah...

comment 26 on vosizneias
"I hope mr struluovitz will do tshuvah now and not go back to his old ways . lo Signov is one of the 10 comandmants”

reply in comment 48
"No way for you to know, the "lo signov stated in the 10 comandments" refers to kidnapping [abduction of humans] do your homework.
to be mekabel lashon harah is ok?"

MisterApikoros

AC/DC (and I'm not referring to the band):

I have rethought my position. Poland isn't where the Satmar Scheisse belong. Transylvania would be far better, as these bloodsucking leeches and schnorrers would be right at home there.

You, on the other hand, would be right at home at the terminus of the Highway to Hell.

WoolSilkCotton

Hey Satan, paid my dues, playing in a rockin' band

Hey mama, look at me, I'm on my way to the promised land...

Alternative Childcare

Mr A, isnt that where the nursing home in which you currently live is? I suppose we could look up where the "Stormfront Nursing Home" is.
Keep on defending the FPO and quoting Nazi sources until the nurse says its time for you to turn off your computer!

MisterApikoros

I noticed you posted your latest screed at 4:11 PM EDT on Friday, July 10th. As you claim to live in Israel, which is 7 hours ahead, that's 11:11 PM Israeli time.

In addition to being way past your bedtime, that would be on Shabbot. I guess posting your lies about me is something that a frumbag like you considers a God-granted exception to Sabbath observance.

Shmarya

He doesn't currently live in Israel.

He has lived there in the past and travels there frequently.

MisterApikoros

So I guess he's only guilty of violating one, not two, of the Ten Commandments, specifically, the one against bearing false witness.

I guess that makes it OK.

family of urs

we r absolutley delighted that u r out again........... we cant wait 2 c u... love all ur family around the world!!!!
n 4 all of u that wrote such horrible things think twice b4 u talk, cos u r not better... dont judge the world b4 u judge urself!!!

soso

viva la mafia, la grande famiglia per tutto il mondo...

What is important is not whether he is criminal or not. What is important is that you love him.

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