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Responsible Citizen

I hear these things all of the time from the congregants at the Russian Heritage Bait Knesset here in Chicago.

Dr. Dave

Actually his policies are enough cause to hate him.

Hometown Postville

Anything to stir the prejudicial pot! Why can't people get beyond skin color or religious differences??????

R

How come we can have King David yet he was a descendant of slaves as well.
The whole thing makes no sense.
Anyway, I don't think Obama is such a hero either and at the end of the days he is just like any other politician.

Isa

Where did this crxp come from?

Communism I thought wouldn't promote this at all. Hmm after WWII the Russian Orthodox Church gained new freedoms-maybe this junk came from that.

A. Nuran

Dave, Obama's policies are the first breath of sanity we've had in government in the past eight years. The fact that he's abandoned them in order to appease the Republicans is a reason to be disappointed, not hate.

A. Nuran

As far as it goes, David was the descendant of former slaves. And Obama is not. His father was an African, one of the ones who WASN'T kidnapped and shipped over to America.

Dr. Dave

Obama's policies are the first breath of sanity we've had in government in the past eight years

Ah - like violating commerce laws and pressuring owners (preferred stock holders) of GM and Chrysler to give up ownership stake in the company while transferring ownership to the UAW.

Granting the workers the means of production - just like his hero Karl Marx wrote.

The slapdash and corrupt cap and trade bill that he passed - an energy tax of breathtaking proportions - After we read his lips that no one making under 250k, uh 200k, uh 150k a year would pay extra taxes.
We are all paying extra taxes.

And Healthcare Reform??
The CBO (nonpartisan) estimates that it would cost 1 trillion dollars to cover 1/3 the uninsured.

That would be apx 3 trillion to cover all the uninsured.

Obama is an ill prepared moron. He is Jimmy Carter part 2.

Clinton and even W were much better prepared and able to lead the U.S.

And no, I am not a republican!!

Dr. Dave

And don't forget -on social issues he is still not liberal - against gay marriage for example.

itchiemayer

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Obama. His being half black is not one of them. I judge him by the content of his character, not by the color of his skin. I think his character is pathetic. Moreover, articulate he is not. Only when he has a prepared speech in front of him is he articulate. The man is a stumbling, bumbling fool. My political hero, Alan Keyes, would destroy Mr. Obama in a debate.
Dave Marshall - I believe Obama is far worst than a carter II. Think of the destruction he has already caused in less than six months on the job.

Dr. Dave

Itchie
I'm Dr. Dave not Dave Marshall (see rule number 2)

itchiemayer

Thanks, DD. My apologies Dave Marshall!

Alex

What a ridiculous assertion by the author. Lets paint all russians as homophobes. The reason why russian community does not like Obama is two-fold: Russian Jews come from what was a formerly Communist country - and know what his social policies will lead to and of course russian jews tend to be well educated. Many well educated people can decipher Obama's gibberish well.

itchiemayer

Alex - Sadly, many very well educated people can't, or don't want to.

yirmiyahu

It is amazing that the only Jewish diaspora community which treats pork as a delicacy (from Ashdod to Brighton Beach) discovers "Jewish Tradition" in order to advance its own baseless prejudices. There is in fact nothing Jewish going on here, rather the panel reflects the deep prejudices within Russian (non-Jewish) society regarding Africans and people of color.

Responsible Citizen

Alex-A lot of the opposition comes from the lack of social responsibility and just plain reckless individualism I see in the Russian Jewish community. The neo-liberal Chicago school of economics gave us Bernard Madoff. A little dose of Clement Atlee's "Commanding Heights" is necessary to redirect the American economy out of its current mess. I might add this is all very ironic to me inasmuch as most Jews from the former USSR benefited from the generosity of the American welfare state, and that of the NGO's of the established Jewish community, when they first landed here.

Clear

The first of the heralds of evil, according to the verse, is "a slave who becomes king."

Apparently, though, a servant who becomes Vizier is perfectly okay. (Yosef)

"But, a Yosef wasn't a slave, he was a servant. And a vizier isn't a king." - would be the the objection

Right.

And Obama was never a slave (and neither was his family enslaved), and a U.S. President isn't a king (the Founders made the last point abundantly clear).

Yochanan Lavie

A biblical fundamentalist, Alexander Crummel (himself African_American) refuted bible based prejudice using scripture alone. His essay is "The Negro Race Not Under a Curse." Rev. Wilberforce and John Brown, both fundie Christians, were abolitionists based on biblical faith, not despite it. As for bible-based racists, the devil can quote scripture for his purposes.

(I have met many Ortho Jews, both racist and non-racist).

As for Obama, not everyone who opposes his policies is a racist. Many who dislike BHO would vote for Alan Keyes, for example.

(Disclosure: I am an independent of mixed conservative-libertarian views. I love the concept of a black president- it's high time- but dislike BHO's policies).

paul stevens

So the Palestinian paper written in Hebrew (Haaretz)claims that Russian/Jews dislike Obama because he's black? And of course our self hating blogger jumps to post that here.
In fact Russian Jews dislike Obama for the same reason Americans dislike Obama - he's an inexperienced statist who will destroy America and take down much of the free world with him

justayid

There does seem to be a strain of racism in Great Russian society, usually vented against folks from the caucasus, IIUC, but sometimes against africans, etc. I would like to find a way to express that that does not appear prejudiced and stereotyping against Russians.

justayid

"The neo-liberal Chicago school of economics gave us Bernard Madoff."

Not really. Ponzi schemes have been around for a long time. Also neoliberalism as used internationally is really much broader than the Chicago school.


"A little dose of Clement Atlee's "Commanding Heights" is necessary to redirect the American economy out of its current mess.

Not really. If you consider health care reform, keynsian fiscal stimulus, and emergency bailouts to be seizing the "commanding heights" I think you are just as confused about Obama's econ policies as are the various rightists calling it socialism.

Yochanan Lavie

I have met hardworking, non-racist Russians. As justayid opines, Great Russian society is xenophobic; my Russian friends tell me that. Under communism, Jews were Russified, and unfortunately often picked up those attitudes (as well as Soviet-style indolence). But it is equally racist to assume all Russian Jews buy into that mentality.

William Burns

Itchimayer,

Obama actually went up against Keyes in a race for US Senate from Illinois, and cleaned his clock. Sorry to kill the fantasy.

alternative childcare

Isn't Eskin the right wing fanatic who led the "pulsa d'nura" on Rabin? Why is anyone surprised by ultra-right wing sentiment coming out of his sick mouth? (oh, I forgot, the percentage of Palin fans here is higher than in the general population)

On the other hand, didn't many of the commentators on this site already assume that most of these Russians aren't Jews, even if they converted? Or are they now OK because they share your political views?

nobody

Liberals like this author feels the need to blame anyone else who doesn't accept her pathetic views and her messiah with equally pathetic and reprehensible far-left views. They point the blame with accusations like "racist" "ignorant" "extremist" etc etc. And especially they blame religion. Why won't you all just jump on board the train of my far-left liberal messiah figure? Why won't you just smile and nod and pretend all the rhetoric is true like I do? That sentiment is what underlies hit pieces like this. The rest is commentary.

nobody

The author feels the need to blame anyone who does not blindly accept her insane, reprehensible far left-wing liberal views and her messiah figure who embodies them. He (Obama) of course has equally deranged and reprehensible views.

So to cast the blame she throws around terms of accusation like "racist" "ignorant" "extremist" etc. And of course religion is primarily blamed. She wants to know, what keeps you from jumping on board the messiah train like I have? What prevents you from smiling and nodding like I do, and blindly accepting the man who will enforce on you my left wing hysteria? What prevents you from pretending all the rhetoric is true like I have? And how can I make the rest of society (or at least those who play along like I do) hate you for not doing so?

And so this is what underlies a leftwing hit piece like this. The rest is commentary.

Responsible Citizen

That's the point, Just. Thanks to the Chicago Boys and their Friedmanite/Thatcherite/Reaganite supply sideism Keynesism is the Commanding Heights in comparison. Frankly, I'd be very happy if Obama would fully adopt Atlee's program and give us our own NHS and state sponsored low cost housing for those in need.

WoolSilkCotton

Keyes would just rant about abortion whenever he appeared on a news-talk program, as if that was the one and only issue. He seemed like a very nice man, but he was nuts.
People in the media gave him a free ride because he was black. If he was white, he would have been dismissed as the anti-abortion one-note drummer that he was.

Likewise here, Keyes is spoken of in respectful terms by those who knew he was nuts and didn't stand a chance, but at least he's republican, and since he's black, you can say you're not a racist because you 'support' Keyes.

itchiemayer

Hey Burns - I know that. Like Keyes ever had a chance in IL. Please.

itchiemayer

Burns - I mean a debate which wasn't scripted like all debates are. Keyes is far, far more articulate than Obama. The Republican party in IL is on life support. WSC - Keyes is far more than a one trick pony. Far more intellectual than our President.

Ben

It looks like Russians are a favorite punching bag of both Israeli right and Israeli left. What a great position to be in! Choosing easy targets anyone?

alternative childcare

Ben: Don't forget to include the chareidi world as well, as in Sherman's outrageous statements. I suppose the Russians are now Israel's "Jews".

notkeys

Alan Keys is a joke (like his supporters)...ask Alan Dershowitz

As for Obama haters...Obama can never ever do any good, it is just the nature of the hater (masked racist)

Kissinger: Obama is like a chess player who is playing simultaneous chess and has opened his game with an unusual opening. Now he's got to play his hand as he plays his various counterparts. We haven't gotten beyond the opening game move yet. I have no quarrel with the opening move. Excellent!

Russin PhD

Non-Dear Racist Scott-Shmarya

This is not the first time that you non-farrely charge all Russians with racism. Btw loke what's mean Scot in Russian, this is exactelly you.

WoolSilkCotton

Russian PhD, your doctorate isn't in English grammar or spelling, is it?

nobody

"but at least he's republican, and since he's black, you can say you're not a racist because you 'support' Keyes."

But isn't that the definition of not being a racist? You support Keyes because he's republican and you like his views, not because he's black or white. I also like his views, and if he would become president that would be great. I LAMENT the fact that he is considered a fringe candidate that never stands a chance.

Does Keyes having more rightwing views make him "not black" in your eyes, therefore someone who likes him can still be racist? What a joke.

Ben

Looks like everyone has his/her own prejudaces, some dislike black others dislike russians. The only difference between 2 aforementioned groups is that ones who dislike blacks called racists, while the ones who dislike russians called freedom seeking liberals.

Itchiemayer

the obama administration came out with strong words when the abortion doc was killed, but the murder of a serviceman at a recruiting station by a convert to Islam yields nary a word from the Obama administration. I believe that this shows our President's true colors, no pun intended. It is no accident he is attracted to the Wrights and Ayers of the world, no accident at all. I'm sure some of you will try to defend his silence at the murder of a U.S. soldier at a recruiting station by this convert to Islam, so I am eager to hear your spin.

ML

What good exactly has hate ever accomplished?

3rd goy

If I recall correctly, the curse of Ham was really directed against Canan, his son. The curse had nothing to do with skin color, but with corruption of spirit. Canan's literal decendants were mostly driven out of Palastine by the Isrealites. The fact that this was not completed caused great pains to Israelie decendants. Perhaps the present day Palestinians are decandecendants. If this is true, the debt Joshua didn't accomplish is still comming due. I believe it is possible to be a spiritual decendant of Ham. Perhaps I myself may be at times. Please let's not all be that kind of decendant.

Reader

alternative childcare,
how about we shake YOUR family tree and see how many goyim fall out?

Radical Feminist

Because he is only half black does that make him only half cursed? I mean technically speaking that is.
The older I get the more I hate religion.

Radical Feminist

The curse had nothing to do with skin color,

Uh, the "curse" was him being made black, and thus everything to do with his skin color.

Yochanan Lavie

People, read Alexander Crummel's essay. Even if you take the account literally, racists have misread and misused the Ham story. I would post a link, but I can't seem to find one.

Yochanan Lavie

Here's the best I could find:

http://www.enotes.com/american-history-literature/blacks

http://www.answers.com/topic/alexander-crummell

justayid

er, ben, I dont dislike russians. I pointed out that there is a strain of racism in great russian society, and I think thats undeniable. As YL pointed out, there are plenty of non-racist Russians. There is certainly nothing intrinsic to being russian origin that makes one a racist - (self disclosure - my grandfather came from Grodno - the difference between my background and that of recent emigrants from the FSU is only that my folks left while they were still Yiddish speaking and had absorbed little great Russian culture)

justayid

Itchie

a minutes googling found this

"The White House released the following statement Wednesday in response to the shooting at Little Rock, Arkansas of a military recruiting center that resulted in the death of Private William Long.
I am deeply saddened by this senseless act of violence against two brave young soldiers who were doing their part to strengthen our armed forces and keep our country safe. I would like to wish Quinton Ezeagwula a speedy recovery, and to offer my condolences and prayers to William Long’s family as they mourn the loss of their son."

So either you are a liar, or you are taking the words of liars at face value.

justayid

RF - if its all about the bible, how is that so many bible oriented jews and christians have been so active in the civil rights movement?

I really do think this is more about a quirk in Russian culture.

itchiemayer

justayid - I was wrong, or you can call me a liar. I don't care. Anyhow, what a pathetically weak statement by BHO in light of who committed the crime. The left goes crazy over the pro-life wackos, but the Islamo-fascists get a pass. The L.A. airport shooting, the Seattle Jewish Federation, the army recruiting station - how much more of this crap do we have to endure before we get the point. I think some of you are incapable of getting the point. Whenever a Muslim does these things, the media excuses it with references to mental instabiity, etc..they make excuses for these lowlifes. Again, what a pathetic, weak statement by our inarticulate, stumbling, bumbling, Wright loving commander in chief. None of you have a problem with his comments on wanting a civilian force, one that would be as well funded as the military. What?! Do any of you see the danger and ridiculousness of that statement. he wants his own brownshirts. as well funded as the military? The man said it on the campaign trail. It is fact. It is insane.
shamrya - I pledged a few dollars to you a few weeks ago when you were going through your burn-out phase. I plan on giving $5 today or tomorrow. Ciao

itchiemayer

I know I sound like a crazy person when I go on a rant like the one above, but really I'm not. Just frustrated with the many things I perceive as being bad for the country.

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