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July 12, 2009

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Russian PhD

From non-aborted genetically defective fetuses, the direct result of every-year-child-birth, we receive these degenerative judeo-pagan shamans-cabbalists. Keep going, young ladies!

Ben

Since this is Kabbalah, that this Rabbi is speaking, we can not prove or disprove what he is saying.

He might be correct.

Russian PhD

I can. I served as a chief shaman for Mongolian Grat Khans...

MisterApikoros

What's that black thing sticking out of his head?

Ben

MA, I hope you are just joking.

MisterApikoros

We Jews do have horns, you know.

Ziggy Elman, Herb Alpert, Harry James (maybe), The Klezmatics (who have a CD with that title)...

As for that thing sticking out of the Rabbi's head, I'm inclined to believe it's an artifact of the photograph.

mr moe

Hey Shmarya,

"OFF TOPIC" I thought your viewers might be intrested in this Video clip of Hardeim holligans protesting on Shabos in Yerushlayim:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8146313.stm

Hometown Postville

So should these women also ignore lumps in their breasts, unexplained chest pains, paranoid thoughts? Sounds like it, since this Rabbi seems to know more than any doctors! Conception is not 100% even during the most fertile time. Will these women be punished if their biological clock does not cooperate?

nachos

If I have a cow that hasn't given birth for two years, I cull her. This guy is at least being more lenient to say we should just talk to a women about not being pregnant after three years. He could have told us to cull her, but then again we haven't yet heard from any of our other great Rabbi's yet!!

Yochanan Lavie

Mr. A: I have the album, Jews w/Horns.

Kabbalah is made up and not in the miqra. Ignore it.

Yochanan Lavie

Doctor Kabbalah (apologies Robert Palmer)

Birth control, fell on a "nyet,"
I haven't had 12 babies yet,
I need horns, to soothe my head,
Turn my blue fringes to red.

chorus:
Rabbi, rabbi, give me the news
I've got a bad case of producin' Jews,
No pill's gonna cure my ills
I've got a bad case of producin' Jews.

A pretty face don't mean a prolific womb,
I learned that it might as well be a tomb,
You think she's cute, a little bit shrewish,
Mommeleh, I don't care, as long as you're Jewish

chorus.

Oy vey!

I know how kabbalah likes it, it likes men on top,
But tell me, mommeleh, are you gonna stop?

You had more kids, 21 to zip,
Sign of Jewish on your lip,
Shake my lulav, kiss the mezuzah,
I got kids bad, and I'm going meshuggah.

chorus

alternative childcare

Ben: why be surprised, MrA wouldn't recognize tefilin, he doesn't know anything about Judaism except that Jews are "vermin" and "subhuman" (his phrases), he only knows about Nazis and their books.

Yochanan Lavie

AC and Mr. A: play nice.

WoolSilkCotton

++Hometown Postville | July 12, 2009 at 09:29 AM++

Paranoid thoughts are the stock-in-trade of the haredi community.

Infertile women are treated like lepers in the black hat world.

Alternative childcare, your ongoing insults of Mr. A don't suit you. Is it really a good idea to be the only person on this blog who continues to insult another member? Kindly reconsider.

alternative childcare

YL: If a Rabbi were to say half of the things Mr Apikoros say about Jews, but said them about Arabs (that they are vermin, not human but subhuman, etc, just do a google search of Mr Apikoros + failedmessiah), everyone here would be jumping up and down, writing song parodies, and correctly condemning that individual.

If an Arab said what he says about Jews, particularly when over 50% of the posts contain language directly lifted from Nazi literature and hate sites (he once referenced "Stormfront"), you would condemn him as a Hizbollah terrorist. So why should I not work to drive him from my "home"?

I'm sure in real life he's the kind of creepy old man that one wouldn't lets one's kids be around.

Asa

WSC, it's no use. Apparantly, AC's relentless (and very boring) attacks on Mr. A are all he has to contribute on this site. We've all tried to get him to quit. The better bit of advice would be to Mr. A, to continue to ignore the dolt and refrain from dignifying the comments.

AC, have you really so little to think about in life that all you can do is come here and attack the same member with the same comments over and over again? You're becoming an eye-sore. You've made your point. If Mr. A's comment bug you so much ignore them and make some point regarding the topic at hand.

It's not your "home". He's not sending you or your children emails and text messages is he?

MisterApikoros

YL: Don't blame me, except for not always having the good sense to ignore AC's calumny.

C'mon AC. You're not an idiot. I've read your posts before you started attacking me and they were intelligent. Unless, as I suspect, you're not AC but actually AB, whose writing style your recent posts resemble.

WoolSilkCotton

The use of sarcasm, irony, cynicism, sardonicism, and satire to drive home a point can be very difficult on this flat, black-and-white screen.
Such attempts are often misunderstood because we can't rely on any unwritten forms of communication, and so context suffers.

Perhaps that's where Mr. A's style of using nazi-era references to emphasize certain points apparently backfired with AC.
Nevertheless, continuing to be a one-note anti-Mr-A drummer just isn't working for you, AC.

Dr. Dave

I'm a Doctor and I must always lie.

In fact this statement is a lie.

There. I've run logical rings around you fancy pants Mr. Mekubal Rabbi Batzri!!!

alternative childcare

I'm sorry, Asa, WSC, I don't agree. Should I post all his Nazi posts again, and you can show me where there is "sarcasm" or "satire"? Every single one of his posts contains violent and offensive language.

If the purpose of this blog is to attack Jews continuously and dehumanize them, well, then I'll quit and leave this to you all and your Nazi friends.

If the point is to change problematic areas within the Jewish community, then I will keep fighting. To the best of my understanding, MrA and family intermarried long ago and has not ever been part of the Jewish community. Asa is not Jewish and claims to come from an antisemitic family, trends he has not disproven here. WSC, I've generally agreed with you in the past, so I'm assuming you just haven't read all his posts in the past.
But since MrA has taken to posting his hate speech on every single article here, which I find offensive, full of foul language and Nazi quotes (I'll be happy to post the collection again), and I don't feel I need to see it every day, just like I didn't like seeing Archie's racism, although I respected his learning. So why the double standard? Let him go back to his "home", Stormfront, as he himself has once commented.

nobody

MR A, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being AB! Why must everyone on this site be a blind lemming repeating your or Shmarya's drivel, or else we 'must be AB?'

Asa

"Asa is not Jewish and claims to come from an antisemitic family, trends he has not disproven here."

Oh, them's fightin' words.

You have no idea who I am or what I feel for the Jewish people. Yes, members of my family are anti-semitic. That should be sufficient to prove to any Jew (or any person of any background) that I as a convert must have quite a huge degree of love for the Jews that I am willing to suffer the scorn and very possible outcasting of me by those members of my family.

Besides my use of an alias (for which I have good reason) I've been completely honest here.

I'm here to learn, to engage with the persons who shall, in time, be my fellows, my brothers and sisters. I have much to learn, I haven't pretended otherwise, and all who've corresponded with me here are aware of my "newbie" position. I aim to engage on the topics at hand and come away with some deeper understanding of the world in which I intend to live.

You, on the other hand conntinue to bash Mr. A by cutting and pasting the same tired quotes. You have had nothing to write or contribute about anything. I've learned nothing from you except that there's nothing to learn from you.

I expect this'll provoke you to post the same quotes again, but you take Mr. A's posts completely out of context.

I've had misunderstandings with posters on this site, but we've worked them out civilly and come to "shake hands" at the end and move on.

But you, sir, are worth not a moment more of my time or Mr. A's. Your calling Mr. A a nazi and me an anti-semite does nothing more than betray to what levels of idiocy and ridiculousness such gross assumptions can take a person such as yourself.

alternative childcare

Asa: I've read your serious posts, and I am actually sympathetic, your long interesting conversations with Dave Marshall and YL, etc. I certainly have no problem with sincere converts, in fact, one of my major issues on this site is fighting Sherman and colleagues with their hate speech against converts, Russians, Ethiopians, etc.

At the same time, R. Kook defined "Jewish soul vs Amalek soul" as to how someone reacts at times of danger to the Jewish community (its a positive text for converts, in that it recognizes "Jewish souls" in other bodies, and vice versa; these teachings support why R. Druckman and company were so welcoming to converts. Perhaps I'm closer to you than you know).

In short, there is dissent on this board from "within", which refers to most of the posters, and then a few like MrA, who posts nothing but hate speech. A few tired quotes? I have over thirty with Nazi quotes, foul language, and threats of violence against Jews, the kind of language that only a beleagured minority would allow to be used against itself. To me, he's not someone a sincere convert would want to use as a role model (what have you learned from him?); I doubt any orthodox, conservative or reform bet din would accept a convert who learned about Judaism from MrA's cited "Stormfront" site.

FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican

"When you see a woman whose youngest child is three, this means that she has been using control methods for three years. Convince her not to do this."

Someone should buy this guy a subscription to Fertility and Sterility, Official Journal of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine.

Asa

AC: the comment as I took it, "trends that he has not disproved here", is foul and deeply offensive. Will you withdraw it or not?

My sincerity as a convert has nothing to do with my engaging with posters on this site who are maybe not religious, not believers, etc. I can learn from everyone. I can both disagree with a person and learn from him or her, and I have.

My sincerity as a convert shouldn't be based on my willingness to converse with atheists any more than it should be based on my embracing rabbis who would have me believe philosophies I understand to be as false and unJewish. It works both ways. I have heard many, many, many lectures, comments, teachings, etc., that are diametrically opposed to true Torah, but cloak themselves in "Kabbalah", "Tanya", etc., and claim to be as divinely inspired as Torah.

I do not believe the Jewish soul theory. Does that make me insincere? I believe that theory to be racist and egotistical. Does that make me an anti-semite?

In fact, were I to believe the above theory, then you may question my sincerity, for believing the above would be a tremendous ego boost to me, and my conversion would be based on my belief that i have some special soul above that of my mother and siblings.

Instead, I choose to believe that all human beings are possessed of the potential for "perfection", and that the Jewish people were chosen for the mission to teach RIGHTLY--RIGHTLY!!--how that perfection can be attained. that's it. In other words, I'm responsible for my sins. Not my gentile impure soul, and I'm responsible for my decision to convert, not my Jewish perfectly pure soul.

I subject myself to any and every criticism and correction I may receive on this site. I have admitted when I've been wrong as gracefully as I could have. But I won't tolerate any poster questioning my sincerity.

I've had arguments with Nobody, APC, and others. I've learned from them as much as I've learned from WSC, YL, and many others here, in fact all others.

I'm aware of all of Mr. A's references to WWII and nazi Germany. i read the same posts you did. There are plenty of other religious Jews and very proud Jews on this site, and none of them seem quite so offended as you.

I can converse with an atheist honestly and consider his/her position. I can converse with a chabadnik and consider his/her position. My sincerity as a convert has nothing to do with to whom I lend my ears. I'm more secure than that, thank God, though I was not always. I won't allow myself to give in to the sheltering, exclusive way of life of the chareidim. I'll keep asking questions as long as I can come with them.

maya

Can someone explain the connection (cited at end of article) between the withdrawal from Gush Katif and "desperate single girls who do forbidden things"....?
Exactly what type of withdrawal are we talking about here?

I rather not say

We had to spend + $10,000 to a fertility doctor to get a daughter.

How about a woman who can only get pregnant is she has 'relations' during her 'forbidden ' period

Lots of problems out there!!

low sperm count for one thing, maybe caused by all the plastics in the environment

alternative childcare

Asa: R. Kook's comment wasn't referring to an entity called a "soul", but as a metaphor. What he meant was that in difficult times, those who throw their lot in with the Jews are essentially Jews. Those that side with the oppressors are not.
My objections to this "MrA" is that he posts nothing but violent statements, Nazi comments, and similar hate speech on every single thread. On this post, where the serious issue of pseudo-kabbalistic anti-rationalism needs to be discussed, as Dr. Dave did, MrA felt the need to make fun of tefillin, just like his Nazi sources (famous pictures of his SS harrassing Jews in tallis and tefillin).
Why do I need to keep seeing such remarks on EVERY SINGLE THREAD? Go back to his initial comments, show me how those are "clever" and "teach you" things.

Asa

I never wrote that I have learned from everything a poster wrote, but that I have learned from every poster.

My question to you is this: while Mr. A may be the sole poster who referrences WWII and Nazi Germany, there are plenty of other posters who make fun of the charedim, their dress, their behavior, their very existence. Why stick your fork in Mr. A?

I've found that the posters here argue with one another constantly, but the arguments are for the most part civil, engaging, interesting, and even entertaining. Incessant bashing is where it grows nasty and idiotic.

You haven't yet withdrawn your anti-semite comment, or at least shown that I'd misunderstood the comment. I had but one beef with you: that you, who may be able to contribute more to this site and us than what you have so far, have made yourself look as if you're simply out to get Mr. A. That was all.

Ben

I agree with many posts made by Mr.A, but disagree with him when he makes fun of tephillin. I don't see anything funny in this religious ite. It seems to me similar with somebody making fun of a crusifix worn by christians for example. I dont think any christian would laugh at the joke like that.

Sorry, but this is not my type of humor.

alternative childcare

Asa: no problem. You are likely not an antisemite. But there is a teaching in the midrash, oy l'rasha, oy l'scheno (woe to the maladjusted, woe to his neighbor). As you keep "joking around" with someone who calls Jews vermin, subhuman, makes fun of tephillin, etc, well, it will affect you too.
I have been on this list longer than you, and dont find all the Nazi stuff "civil".

Asa

You keep twisting, AC, but I'll step out for now. If Mr. A wishes, he'll defend his posts. I agree with you, a person ought to be cautious about with whom he or she jokes. Maybe Mr. A is maladjusted. I, too, am maladjusted, as I believe others are on this site who are in an effort to readjust themselves. I understood Mr. A's comments differently from the way you understood them, therefore I and other born-Jews here took no offense.

"No problem. You are likely not an anti-semite". Very ingenuous, I'm sure. I have a problem with persons who aren't able to admit their mistakes and apologize sincerely, AC.

alternative childcare

asa: sorry, i didn't mean to sound evasive. I have no qualms with you other than your defense of the offensive MrA. I do not believe that you are an antisemite.
I still would prefer Mr Apikoros should take his nazi-like rantings elsewhere.

ah-pee-chorus

+++In fact this statement is a lie.

There. I've run logical rings around you fancy pants Mr. Mekubal Rabbi Batzri!!!

Posted by: Dr. Dave | July 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM+++


very clever, doc, touche..

Asa

Fine. I think you've made your last point abundantly clear throughout your posts.

One more time: not only am I not an anti-semite, I am a CONVERT TO JUDAISM. And damn proud of it.

WoolSilkCotton

Remember the Simpsons episode where Krusty the Klown realized he never had a bar mitzvah, and so the local B'nai Brith said he wasn't Jewish?

He cried, "all this time I thought I was a self-hating Jew, now I realize I am just an antisemite!"

ah-pee-chorus

hilarious, WSC. how bout the chapelle show when one of the KKK leaders was blind from birth and neither he nor his followers knew he was black,and when he found out he divorced his wife for being a "n----r lover"

MisterApikoros

I never mentioned tefillin. Quite frankly I thought this was something protruding from his skullcap, or an artifact of the photograph.

I have wrapped tefillin around MY ARM a time or two.

MisterApikoros

Ben, I thought you were referring to my statement about the thing sticking out of the rabbi's head was a HORN, as in "Jews have horns."

This silly canard actually originated with Michaelango, who painted Moses with two rays (of sunlight) emanating from near his ears.

I would not make fun of tefillin. The fur hats, yes. Sheytels, absolutely. But putting on tefillin isn't a ritual confined to Haredim. It's part of mainstream Judaism.

WoolSilkCotton

APC, I remember that one!
Also the racial draft, where celebrities of mixed race were claimed by various ethnic groups. The Jews picked Lenny Kravitz. (I would have picked Saul Hudson, aka Slash).

Dorian

...Asa'leh..hang in there..'cause soon you'll need all your strength to take care of at least 12 kids and make more in your forties...
First you think you're pregnant so you go to a docter; he confirms but you can't believe him because he is a docter so he is a liar...
Than you think you'd maybe better go to a very frum docter..but they are all out of work because of Rabbi Batzri..after all they're liars. You buy a pregnancy test and you see 2 lines appear in your 'pee-cup'...but those tests are approved by
...DOCTERS!...so you think you probably have an eyproblem and start to see cross...
Next thing is you buy some glasses (you got the right numbers for that from Batzri's gematria because after all he is a kabbalist...).

..Gosh..and I didn't even get my metaxa yet...
Aááányway...when you need babyclothes..let me know!

BTW: HOW DID BATZRI GET HIS GLASSES ?
PERSCRIBED BY THE MILKMAN? LIAR!

MisterApikoros

Now wait a minute, Alternative Childcare. I never called Stormfront.org "home." Nor did I ever call Jews "vermin." I called certain Jews "vermin" because they descrated their own Sabbath by rioting and throwing excrement at secular Jews. This is what YOU said, not I, and if this matter ever gets to court, with me suing you for libel and defamation, it will become a matter of public record, as virtually all judicial proceedings are. As would be your feeble efforts to misrepresent what I said on other matters.

The one thing you have going for you, in the event of a lawsuit, is that since we all use screennames, it would be difficult to claim damages to one's reputation as a result of defamation.

You are getting really tiresome and obnoxious, and this battle with me has now involved your calling others names, which I don't think they appreciate very much.

I strong suggest you study your Torah. You don't have to get very far into it to find the Ten Commandments, and especially, the one about bearing false witness. While I might regard many of the 613 rules, especially the ones about diet, and the ones calling for the death penalty for adultery and homosexuality somewhat archiac, to put it mildly, the ones about stealing, murdering, and bearing false witness are spot on, and not just for Jews.

Asa

Dorian, I refrain from adding to your joke for fear of being called an anti-babite and accused of associating with maladjusted self-hating babites.

mordecai

AC:

What is wrong in calling a Jew vermin or a Nazi. This is certainly different from calling "Jews" (as a people) vermin. Any individual Jew is clearly capable of being a louse or miscreant. Why are you so defensive when a Jew is termed "vermin?"

Are the only vermin in the world gentiles?

itchiemayer

Frankly, name calling is not the most intelligent way to make a point. Mr. A is an intelligent guy, and could make his point in some other manner, but he can call groups of people what he wants, and that really doesn't bother me. As for Mordecai's question of "what is wrong in calling a Jew vermin or a Nazi"? Well, it's unnecessary for sure, but Mr. A makes the site more interesting so it's generally ok by me if that's what he wants to do. My endorsement of MrA is why I still call for the return of Archie Bunker. Archibald also makes the site more interesting. By the way, Arch and AC have two distinctly different styles. By the way, in my note I sent to Shmarya with my recent donation, I urged him to bring back Archie. Perhaps he has gone over the line one too many times, but I still want him on here.
What I do have a problem with is personal attacks which are not warrented. For example, in an earlier thread, I stated my belief, and that of Torah Judaism, that a non-orthodox conversion is not valid. Mr. A called me "grossly intolerant". that is a ridiculous statement. it has nothing to do with intolerance, and besides, why should a reform or conservative convert care what an orthodox Jew thinks anyway. If they ever want to become orthodox, they will understand that they need to convert per orthodox law. In short, Mr. A is ok by me, except when he personally attacks someone when it is not warrented, which is not ok no matter who does it. Fine, he can disagree with my religious beliefs, and even belittle them if he wants, but the personal attack was unwarrented. If it is warrented, then I say everyone is fair game. Then again, Mr. A. shoots from the hip like Bobby Knight so I understand it is his personality, and I like Bobby Knight. Anyhow, Mr. A and I have common ground - I also love animals, especially my 120 pound Bernese Mountain Dog. A true gentle giant.

Yonah

Am I crazy? Did Alternative Childcare use to be really... different? Like, smarter/kinder? What happened?

AC's comments towards Asa are shocking. For the love of G-d stop the craziness.

Speaking of Asa though, Shmarya, could you give him my email? Or: Asa, if you follow the link it's not hard to find mine. I'd kinda like to talk to you.

Ben

itchiemayer, I've shared your opinion that on reform and conservative conversions are not real, while orthodox is. However, in the last 2 years Israeli Rabbanut has worked overtime to change my opinion. They repeatedly showed that orthodox corversions worth nothing in their eyes. There cruelty to converts has no bounds. They practically put converts on Life Time Probation. Furthermore, they do the same for their children. Sadly, now I don't trust them at all. Call it prejudace. When I see a black hat and black suit I expect a liar. I only don't know how far down the road I'll discover that the man is lying. It is so sad, they completely killed my idealism.

MisterApikoros

I'm actually more a Lou Pinella kind of guy. In fact, I may even be him. AC is probably an ump I've tangled with.

Bet you didn't know Pinella is Jewish.

MisterApikoros

I went after you, Itch, because I thought you were disrespectful of my deceased wife, who as you know was a German Lutheran who came to Chicago as a child.

Now that I know you better, I've come to respect you and your knowledge. Like me, you shoot first and ask questions later, which is OK by me.

just me

I wonder if it ever occurs to some people that you are not in some private space. I have been reading this site for a long time and usually i enjoy the comments and sometimes i learn things.

The first time I read one of AC's rants I just ignored it but it is starting to become a theme of the threads here. Meanwhile all those alleged Nazi references by Mr A keep flying right over my head.

I learned something tonight. I learned what a Tefillin is (wiki!). I had never seen one before. I too wondered what that thing sticking out of his head was, after it was mentioned. Prior to that I had not noticed it. It never occurred to me the question was insincere or reference Nazis.

did, MrA felt the need to make fun of tefillin, just like his Nazi sources (famous pictures of his SS harrassing Jews in tallis and tefillin).

See, I learn something new every day.

Why do I need to keep seeing such remarks on EVERY SINGLE THREAD?

That is a really good question AC. Why do YOU keep SEEING references to Nazis? I am getting really sick of this constant incessant whining from you. I would much rather be reading comments, jokes or pros about THE TOPIC.

I am going to go back to my little hole in the wall and read this loverly blog whenever it suits me, just thought I'd drop in and give everyone my 2 cents worth.

cheerio.

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