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A E ANDERSON | Miami, Fla.


When I studied in Lubavitcher yeshiva (תומכי תמימים) in the 1970s, it was not customary to lay Rabeunu Tam tefilin until somewhat older (18?) after approval from the Rebbe had been received in each case. I seem to recall there was a point in time when the Rebbe, probably tired of fielding requests for permission to lay them, said they could/should be worn after Bar Mitzvah. There was always discussion of altere chasidim, yechide sigulah, who laid 4 pair.

ML

Yankele,

Thanks. I definitely learned something new.

yankele

ML,

Amongst the rishonim there is an argument on the order of the four parshiot within the tefillin. There are at least four opinions on the order of the tefillin shel rosh. The two primary rishonim are Rashi and Rabbeinu Tam. The Jewish world accepts Rashi's opinion. Many Chasidim have the custom of putting on Rabbeinu Tam tefilin following marriage (after davening).

The Lubavitcher rebbe said that the custom of wearing two pairs of tefilin should begin at bar mitzvah (Either in the 50s or 60s).

You will find amongst the sefardim those who wear all four tefilin. I've seen it in Israel a couple of times. I had a teacher, also sefardic, that wore four pairs. WHat they do is they wear two at a time, but they wear small tefilin.

steven in uk

I only have kosher meat in my home, " which I understand here is much more expensive then in the USA.


I would refuse however to pay exorbitant prices for foods which are in any event vegetarian.

Though admit to not even attempting to follow Orthodox guidelines.

Some enquire " so why do I bother with the meat?

ML

Fresh fruits and vegetables (and nuts) are the best things for you, and they are all kosher.

Can someone explain this "two sets of tefillin" thing to me?

Arthur

I dont think that one should so critize the faith and beliefs of another.

the issue isnt to be or not to be orthodox the issue is why do we let the hardei minority gouge us into oblivian.

Why do we let the kollel leeches live their unsustainable lifestyle at OUR expense.

Yochanan Lavie

HP: Eat less meat, and there are kosher food pantries.

Hometown Postville

Challenging times no matter what your religious beliefs. I found the story about the Muslim family most interesting, having so many restrictions against borrowing money. The Peret's family are fortunate to have the income they do and they are finding ways to make it work. How do Jewish families making less stay Kosher? Ex- those in Postville who have lost their jobs?

Nachum

(I have to admit that I assume that's what happened; I didn't actually ask. But there's really no other explanation.)

Nachum

I was on a flight back from Israel recently and sat down next to a mother and son. He was about a month short of Bar Mitzvah.

They clearly weren't too religious, if at all, but when I came on board he had his tefillin on and was davening. (About 10:30 AM. His yarmulke came off after that and stayed off most of the flight.)

What struck me is that he had *two* brand-new sets of tefillin, Rashi and Rabbenu Tam, and each bag had a picture of 770 on it.

I instantly knew what happened without asking: They'd fallen into the hands of some Chabadsker who told them, in no uncertain terms, that the kid needed two pairs of tefillin; they, being Jewishly unlearned, fell for it, even though of all Jews in the world, only Chabad wears two pairs from Bar Mitzvah and only some Chassidim and some Sefaradim wear two pairs from marriage. These people were clearly not Chabad, Chassidim, or Sefaradim.

With the current price of tefillin, they may well have laid out an extra thousand dollars they had no reason to. Disgraceful.

Nachum

There was really no need for the kitchen remodel.

zach, non-kosher cheese was acceptable back in 50's, before Jews went mad. And it's not just Rav Abadi who approves of Welch's- so does the OU.

Worst come to worse, you can make kiddush on bread.

Neo-Conservaguy

And a simple guideline is "Can I taste treifah in what I'm eating"- as in eating at a non kosher restaurant and being concerned about pots and pans. If the answer is no, then it's kosher.
I'm very open minded about kashruth, and rarely have trouble finding things I'm comfortable eating in non-kosher restaurants, but I can't state that I would follow that wild a position...

Shinto-Man

why is CNN now reporting this? it is a well known fact that the Orthodox rabbi worshipping lifestyle drains your wallet

frum1

Yes Neo, I say that if you take away the tikanot over the years, the kosher consumer simply needs to be concerned with treif meat and forbidden animals. And a simple guideline is "Can I taste treifah in what I'm eating"- as in eating at a non kosher restaurant and being concerned about pots and pans. If the answer is no, then it's kosher.

zach

No need to pay rip off prices for Kedem grape juice (unless you are in the NY area where it can be quite cheap): Welch's is kosher and can be used for kiddush and the arba kosos. It is mevushal and is never touched by gentile hands during the making of it - everything is automated. This according to Rav Abadi. Sorry, no eitzah for cheese as long as we have the gevinas akum gezeirah.

Yochanan Lavie

Neo: Good suggestions. I advocate teaching Hebrew language as an academic subject in public or charter schools, coupled with cheaper afternoon yeshivot (Talmud Torahs). Too bad these are not options anymore, in most areas.

Neo-Conservaguy

"Something should be done about this, but I don't know what."

How about: be rational, instead of Orthodox? Jews that choose to play that game will continue to slide down the slippery slope of chumoth until...?

You do not need two of everything in the kitchen - it's a luxury unknown to previous generations, and no, they didn't kasher each sink/oven between meals. You do not need to send every child to high-priced private schools if you have a reasonable local public school system; you can educate them with supplemental classes and even more importantly, with the lessons transmitted in the home. You do not need kosher supervision on every single product in the store, although kosher meat will obviously cost more - too much more, but that's another story.

Successful Messiah

Shmarya, is this why you stopped eating kosher?

Yochanan Lavie

Something should be done about this, but I don't know what.

steve

Kedem Grape Juice, half gallon bottle, was on sale for $3.50 last week at Shop Rite. Maybe we can ship them a few cases to Houston.

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