Chabad Rabbi: Destroy Muslim Holy Sites

Rabbi Manis Friedman is a senior Chabad-Lubavitch rabbi and a former simultaneous translator of the Rebbe's televised talks.

Chabad rabbi to Moment: “Destroy [Muslim] holy sites”
May 21st, 2009 by Josh Nathan-Kazis, New Voices

In the latest issue of Moment magazine (which features a cover story by New Voices contributor Jeremy Gillick), a group of American rabbis respond to the question, “How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?” Most of the responses emphasize equality, morality, and restraint. Then a Chabad rabbi wheels out the crazy:

I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral.

The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle). [Emphasis mine.]

The first Israeli prime minister who declares that he will follow the Old Testament will finally bring peace to the Middle East. First, the Arabs will stop using children as shields. Second, they will stop taking hostages knowing that we will not be intimidated. Third, with their holy sites destroyed, they will stop believing that G-d is on their side. Result: no civilian casualties, no children in the line of fire, no false sense of righteousness, in fact, no war.

Zero tolerance for stone throwing, for rockets, for kidnapping will mean that the state has achieved sovereignty. Living by Torah values will make us a light unto the nations who suffer defeat because of a disastrous morality of human invention.

Rabbi Manis Friedman
Bais Chana Institute of Jewish Studies
St. Paul, MN

When we published Jeremy’s piece on Lubavitch rabbis on the radical fringe of the settler movement, we were accused of exaggerating their importance. We were told that they were marginal figures, outside of the influence of Lubavitch HQ in Crown Heights, and that few American Lubavitchers shared their extremism. Rabbi Friedman’s wacky-if-it-weren’t-scary comment in Moment should defuse some of that criticism. Friedman seems to be a fully integrated into the mainstream American Chabad movement. He was the Rebbe’s translator until 1990, he has almost 200 articles and videos up at chabad.org, the movement’s official propaganda arm, and his Minnesota women’s yeshiva is listed in the official online directory of Chabad outposts. His website is fancy and looks well-funded.

When I come across this sort of thing, I wonder at Chabad’s popularity among secular Jewish students. These aren’t just bad politics, they’re insane politics. At what point does the Chabad rabbi tell the prospective Ba’al Teshuva that he thinks that Israel should “destroy their holy sites”? Probably not at the first Shabbat dinner, right? Maybe after two Shabbat dinners, a “lunch and learn,” and a Birthright trip through Mayanot?…

I heard this exact logic from Manis Friedman himself several times during the the time I was Chabad. I also heard it from many other Chabad rabbis, and the Rebbe himself said something similar just after or during the Six Day War, I think, but had it expunged from the written record of his talks immediately after.

You'll find the theology familiar – it comes directly from Rabbi Meir Kahane. It's no surprise that among Kahane's biggest supporters were Chabad hasidim.

Part 2. Part 3. Part 4.

[Hat Tip: Joel Katz.]

Comments

[face]

Shmarya are you Chardal?

[Isaac Zlochower]

Regardless of Manis Friedman's private beliefs, how could he publish such nonsense that is bound to be rejected by "normal" Jews? Isn't he interested in kiruv any more? Is this article really authentic?

If so, it sounds like something a fanatical meshichist might say. Bring on Armageddon, and lets see who survives! Of course, Friedman can prattle about destroying Muslim holy places from his safe haven in Minnesota. Let him move to Israel then we'll see if his tune changes. Unfortunately, radical Islamists may focus on this garbage and offer it as "proof" that the Jews intend to destroy their holy places, seeing that a prominent Lubavitch spokesman has come out openly for such action.

Y. Aharon

[Yochanan Lavie]

Call it a Jewhad. What a frigging nut.

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

Manis was the ortho sexpert until Shmuely came along and hogged the camera away.
And Manis would have written "S. Paul," not (you'll pardon the expression) "St."

[Litvak]

The only reason why I disagree with the principle of what he said is this: If an arab comes up to him, he will be the first one that runs to get someone else to defend him.

When he learn how to defend himself (Judo, Karate. Gun practice, etc) OR he advocates Lubavitch to join IDF, then I will agree with him.

[face]

Lubavitchers in Israel do serve in the IDF

[Shmarya]

Only the ones that can't sit and learn – and only then if they have no yichus.

Very few lifer Chabadniks serve.

[face]

what the heck is a lifer Chabadnik?

[face]

Shmarya, do you know the name of the Sofer who wrote your Tefillin?

[maven]

These guys always talk "tough" in the US, if you got him together with the other two bloated tough talkers you showed on the video a few posts ago (the "why are they there?" video), they'd all pat each other on their well fed behinds and make racist and violent comments like that.

Its a reaction (as was the whole JDL and Kahana movement) to self doubt about being taunted as Jewish weaklings growing up in the 60s and 70s. Everyone talked like that back then, MO, Carlebach, Chabad, it was also the way to not get called "Galuti" by the macho Gush Emunim people, etc.

Of course, like much else about the 60s and 70s, it sure feels dated.

[Joachim CS Martillo]

Is this mentality really specific to Chabad?

I became disgusted with Yeshiva studies back in the 80s because I found Manis Friedman's mentality to be pervasive among the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox. See Chabad, Jewish Political Elites.

[BaltimoreYid]

The only thing that puts Jews in a different league (than the rest of the world) is the fact that we don't kill or destroy other people's houses of worship wantonly and without cause. Israel must defend itself at any cost but a Jewish 'kristalnacht' isn't going to be the solution. There's enough anti-semitism in the world already, why add fuel to the fire?

[A. Nuran]

Yochanan, we have a Jewhad run by our own Talitban.

[yankele]

Manis fell off the deep end a long time ago and is now as much a homeopathic healer as he is the “spiritual guru.” The connection is obvious: think snake oil salesman to what ails you both physically and spiritually.
Maybe he should develop a “homeopathic remedy” that can be poured into the Middle Eastern drinking water that will make both Arabs and Jews gather together, sing Kumbaya, no make that yechi!

[Isa]

Regarding:
""""And Manis would have written "S. Paul," not (you'll pardon the expression) "St." """"

Hmmm the full form is Saint Paul which I sometimes see on mail so the abbreviation is St. Paul what if USA society used S Paul as an abbreviation then what would Chabad do?
Right now I am in Corpus Christi (body of christ) How would someone abbreviate that?

My opinion of Manis Freedman just did a nosedive(as if it mattered). Rav Kahane never advocated destruction of Islamic holy places (at least not in writing to a USA audience)besides many Islamic holy places has a Jewish past

[yabed]

Lubavitchers in Israel do serve in the IDF
Posted by: face | June 01, 2009 at 02:56 PM

In combat units? or as mashgichim in the kitchen?

[maven]

The S Louis bit is standard Chabad, they also write S Monica, etc. As though if they drop out the "t" it will somehow less signify the word "saint". Kind of goofy, I think.

[Yudale]

Excuse me, I am a full fledged Lubavitcher and gezhe. I served properly in the IDF for 5 years, so did my brother and brother-in-law all frum and have prestigious lenigae. I can also list to yo dozens of others who come from all types of chabad backrounds, so stop the hate please.

[Isa]

I ran a Kach outfit for two years. I also had two pleasant 'chitchats' with the FBI. One question the agent asked me was what would I do if someone in the group advocated violence? My response was "I would assume that they are 'Agents Provocateur' and I would kick them out out." In fact(I suspected) I had two clowns 'who didn't fit' that the local ADL-JCRC idiot sent to spy on us.
If I said that nonsense that idiot Manis Freeman said, I think the FBI would be knocking on my door.

JCRC= Jewish Community Relations Council
The ADL later broke away and left town.

[Chicago Samson]

++The S Louis bit is standard Chabad, they also write S Monica, etc. As though if they drop out the "t" it will somehow less signify the word "saint". Kind of goofy, I think.++

Yes, that is quite familiar, but one wonders why they don't apply the same yardstick to the days of the week, which are all named after pagan gods.

The 6th day, Friday, looks like the name (Fria or Freya) of a Germanic love goddess, which would correspond to Venus (fri-, as in "friend," is a cognate of philein, "to love," in Greek), though the day is also said to be named after the goddess Frigg, who is also a goddess of love, and of the hearth (which would be Vesta rather than Venus in Rome). The 5th day, Thursday, named after Jupiter, who is a thunder god, in Latin, is named after a Germanic thunder god, well known as "Thor" in Norse mythology. Tuesday is named after Tiw, a god of law, but also said to be a god of war, which would match up to Mars. Wednesday is named after the king of the gods, who was Wotan in ancient German and Odin in Norse mythology. Let's not forget that Sunday is named after the sun god.

Gee whiz, maybe the Chabad should change their newsletters that have the pagan names of all these deities, which is a lot more serious than mentioning mere Christian saints!

[Chicago Samson]

Oops, forgot to mention that Saturday is named after dies Saturni ("Saturn's Day"), through which form it entered into Old English as Sæternesdæg and gradually evolved into the word "Saturday."

[Chicago Samson]

BTW, Friedman is an idiot.

[Itchiemayer]

My comment from S. Louis is that it is so ironic considering the Lubavitchers have Xtian-like beliefs anyway. The "St. Paul" thing should be the least of their worries, given that their alleged messiah has died and will allegedly return.

[Chicago Samson]

Oops, forgot to mention that Friedman's hatred of Muslims is also inspired by Tanya, Chapter 2.

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

Isa - I always wondered what kind of Jew could live in a place called Corpus Christi. Is it true that the place was settled by the famous crypto-Jewish spanish swordsman Avodah Zorro?

[Shine the light]

The first Israeli prime minister who declares that he will follow the Old Testament will finally bring peace to the Middle East.

The "Old Testament"?

Since when is Tanach the "Old Testament"?

Does Chabad have a "New Testament" now?

[radical feminist]

Call it a Jewhad. What a frigging nut.
YL you are hysterical!

[a reader]

Does Chabad have a "New Testament" now?

Posted by: Shine the light | June 01, 2009 at 09:34 PM
------------------------------

yes, the new testament are the rebbe's sichos (discourses), specifically the ones from the last years of his life. these talks are the foundations of chabad's manic messianic beliefs

[Ben]

I've heard Friedman and he sounds like a very intelligent man. This quote must taken out of context. I'm sure he is not advocating indiscriminate destruction of muslim holy places and killing muslim civilians. What he probably is trying to say is that in a war mosks should not allowed to be places of refuge for the terrorists. In II World War allies did exactly what Friedman seems to be advocating.

[Harold F]

I've heard Friedman and he sounds like a very intelligent man. This quote must taken out of context. I'm sure he is not advocating indiscriminate destruction of muslim holy places and killing muslim civilians.

Wanna bet on that?

[Paul Freedman]

"The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)"--this is a call for prophetic war--based on a literalist desire to complete the work commanded in 1 Samuel 15;1-11, a holy and genocidal war against Amalek. The Rabbi rebukes political Israel for repeating the sin of Saul without however a concern for the biblical refinement (strange to our modernist ears but not so to those of our most implacable foe in the last century of the last millenium) that it is dishonorable to destroy from disgust and contempt; to destroy only the barren, the despised, the weak; rather a chorban, as a holy sacrifice to G-d destroys utterly, including, even particularly, the strong, the desirable, the materially rich. The pagan overtones of Abrahamic monotheism in full akeda mode escape him.

The quote is not out of context--follow the link--this is the context if not fabricated. Those cattle do not nestle in those parenthesis idly and without purpose.

Or perhaps the rabbi just had a bad day before he sat down at his keyboard.

[Isa]

To Office of the Chief Rabbi

Corpus Christi has two synagogues, don't know what or how large.

I am just here repairing some stuff at the military base

[Yoel Mechanic]

For anyone who might be researching this one can explore this issue by google searching on Kahane, where websites in his name have graciously provided many videos of him, at the National Press Club, at college campuses, and even a debate he had with a young Ehud Olmert on issues that you would think happened yesterday. From this one can reach their own conclusions on how close, or how far Kahane was from Chabad politics. As for Rabbi Friedman, getting familiar with Jewish law, from say, Laws of Kings and their Wars (Rambam, Mishneh Torah) and then finding out how these are applied in real life would be illuminating. As for the middle east modern context, a vaguely related, but highly useful book was Thomas Friedman (amusing coincidence?) "From Beirut to Jerusalem", particularly the Chapter called "Hama Rules" was most interesting. These seem like useful and informative ways to provide information and context from which to evaluate Rabbi Friedman's statement.

[Paul Freedman]

The applicability of utterly destroying a community in Oral Law then raises the issue of whether Torah is innately opposed to current international conventions, treaties, pieces of paper with signatures, or whether this is now an issue of timing, or whether the nations preach international norms of legality only then their own ox is not being gored. Invoking archaic standards of brutality indicate that this is not being thought out.

[Dr. Dave]

Actually, left to their own devices, the muslim world is doing a pretty good job of destroying their own holy places - e.g. wahabi/salafi destroying sufi holy places and shia destroying sunni holy sites.

Unfortunately even when caught red handed, they do tend to blame Israel and the U.S.

[Paul Freedman]

My own comment Dr. Dave would not be that selective moral outrage at this or that fundamentalist Jewish expression should blind us to what actually goes on in the world (and Al Qaeda Sunni destroying Shia holy places as SOP)--but I disagree with the implicit assumption that wars against this or that Amelek not only have God's approval but his practical support--that sufficient bloody-minded determination makes its own success.

[MisterApikoros]

Rebbe Manis Friedman:

"I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral."

"The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)."

OK, here's what I propose for "Rabbi" Manis Friedman and his followers:

1. Go to ThirdReich.com, and pick out a genuine replica Nazi SchutzStaffel uniform, complete with jackboots, swastika armband and Luger sidearm. (Some of Friedman's followers might have to custom-order these uniforms; the off-the-rack ones might be a size or three too small for some of these guys).

2. Lose the pais and the beards; they don't go well with the armband. Same applies for the tzitzas.

3. Learn to sing the old Nazi favorites. Top of the hit parade, of course, would be the Horst Wessel Lied (Die Fahne Hoch). Other stirring marches would include Deutscheland Erwache (Germany Awake) and the Adolf Hitler Marschlied (no translation necessary). Get those umlauts right; practice makes perfect.

4. Next November 8th, do exactly what the blessed "rebbe" commands. Let's make this a Kristallnacht for the ages! As for the cattle, transport 'em to Agriprocessors. By that time, the assembly lines should have been repaired. Nothing celebrating afterward with a glatt kosher feast!

[Shoshanna]

If my beloved teacher Rabbi Manis Friedman is a monster then the world needs many more monsters! This article is nothing but a propganda hateful hit piece taking his words completely out of context. Rabbi Friedman is one of the kindest, wisest, self sacrificing righteous Rabbis I have ever known and he has done more than in his life to help his fellow human beings and make this world a better place than the entire Tikun Olam/Moment Magazine crwwd combined!!!
And what gives the author of this article the right to demand that Rabbi Friedman should not be allowed to state his views? That is totally intolerant!
You probably are too intolerant to post this comment.

[MisterApikoros]

Your beloved "rebbe" can state his views, and I can state mine.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Oy-vey-oh (apologies: Neil Young):

Tin soldiers and Manis coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the dummy:
"Two shrines and they must go!"

Gotta get done with it
Chabadniks ordering us around
Should have been gone long ago.
What if it was a kid
And you shot her dead on the ground
How's that a mitzvah, when you know?

Gotta get done with it
Iran wants to cut us down
They've got the bomb long ago.
Why give them excuses
To put a nuke on our ground
How can you run when it blows?

Mitzvah tanks and Moshiach coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
"Jew-had!," and oy vey-oh.

[A. Nuran]

OK Shoshanna, if they are out of context could you provide us with the proper context? Seriously, I'd love for the folks here to be proven wrong.

So far they're offering evidence. You're offering nothing but unsupported assertions that since you love him he can't have done anything bad.

[Harold F]

The claims of everything being out of context is tired stuff.

[justayid]

point one - the quote mixes in some reasonable complaints about recent stuff (we can't attack during Ramadan for example) with totally bizarre stuff (killing innocents) - was the speaker aiming for that, as a rhetorical technique, or was he just incoherent?

Point 2 - as someone above noted, "Old Testament" - What the hey? he sounds pretty christian to me, yellow flag or not

Point 3 - Has anyone asked the PR dudes at Chabad central about the quote. Until then, its hard to hold every chabad shaliach responsbible for it - just as its hard to hold every Reform or Recon Rabbi responsible for everything some lefty member of their movement says, and just as its hard to hold the President responsible for everything Rev Wright said. And yeah, that last example should point up the difficulties, human and political in constant demands for people to repudiate things.

Failed Messiah is to Chabad as Foxnews is to Obama?

[Ben]

Nuran, you want to the proofs that Manis Friedman's quote is out of context and you want people who assert that it is to provide context.

1) I read Manis Friedman's books and heard his speeches. This is why I state that this quote is out of character for the guy and therefore must be out of context.

2) Shmarya should provide context by giving a link to entire speech, istead of selected quote. By pulling words out of the speech, he removed the context. When we all read entire speech we can settle this argument.

Friedman is not a mad blood thirsty fanatic as he appears in this piece. Entire carrier of the guy is proof of my statement.

[Shmarya]

1. it was NOT and "entire speech." It was one question with Manis Friedman's WRITTEN answer.

It is completely IN context.

2. I've known Manis for 25 years. I used to live around the corner from him. I heard Manis say the same thing many times. I also heard many other Chabad rabbis say it – even I said it.

3. What is unusual is to have a Chabad rabbi say it for non-Chabad consumption.

[face]

Shmarya, you never even had a conversation with Manis Friendman in your life. Say the truth.

[Shmarya]

Shmarya, you never even had a conversation with Manis Friendman in your life. Say the truth.

I see idiocy still doesn't bar one from becoming Chabad.

[face]

Shmarya, how does one become Chabad?
Is there an enterance exam, or do you have to fill out an application and get accepted?

[Paul Freedman]

Despite many disagreements with Shmarya the link on the face seems to be an invited response which the guy wrote. Unless they fabricated it he sat down and is recommending that Israel get all Biblical on those Palestinian hines. Is Hamas nice? No. Is Iran nice? No. But the Nietzchean self-assurance that if you will it it is no agadah as long as your will is resolute enough and stern enough and catastrophic enough. Sometimes it don't. You want to go for beserker, who knows, in this or that circumstance, I personally might approve, but it is delusional to hop ourselves up to high-risk action by assuming that the enemy will not respond to our shock and awe imo and all will be well.

[Dr. Dave]

One thought.

There is near unanimous outrage at the thought of killing civillians, women and children on this website.

How do you think it would play out on a muslim website if the suggestion was made to kill Jews. I'm guessing nearly unanimous approval.

I still remember Hanan Ashwari lying through her teeth on CNN after 9/11 saying that the palestinians were sorrowful for America's losses.
In CNN's finest hour the host put up video of palestinians dancing in the streets shoutin anti American and anti Jewish slogans and firing guns off into the air.

[itchiemayer]

justayid - he went to the "church" for 20 years, Obama boasted about what a great mentor Wright was to him - it is far greater than one comment by Manis Friedman indicting all of Lubavitch. Lubavitch can be indicted for countless other reasons. Nevertheless, the Obama/Wright connection is far greater than you would prefer to think. Obama listened to the guy's anti-american, anti-semitic rhetoric and did nothing about it. Granted, I believe it is likely that obama is godless and he only went to the church for political reasons. So he is a political whore. Goody for him.

[face]

Shmarya, do you know the name of the SOfer who wrote your Teffilin?

[A. Nuran]

Ben, from what has been said here the segment is a complete response to a question, not a speech or essay which has surrounding words that change the meaning of the piece. It doesn't look good.

If the actual quote is accurately transcribed I fear I cannot treat the speaker as anything except a genocidal maniac, identical to the National Socialists in every important feature except for the power to carry out his evil. It doesn't matter how nice he is to fellow Jews. Eichmann was a devoted Grandfather. Dick Cheney is a devoted father. Hitler couldn't abide cruelty to animals.

Kill the women and children!

We cannot help but Triumph if our Will is strong!

You'd think a Jew would have some fucking perspective when it comes to murdering people in the name of lebensraum. Or does he really believe that bullshit in Tanya about the worth of a Gentile soul? Does it all come down to Herrenvolk and Untermenschen?

[Shmarya]

Shmarya, how does one become Chabad?
Is there an enterance exam, or do you have to fill out an application and get accepted?

You have to fail an intelligence test and the mini mental.

You seem to have done both quite easily.

[ML]

I've heard Manis say similar things to this before but with much more nuance. I am not a Chabadnik but I have heard Manis speak many times, and he often has fascinating, down to earth views as well as opinions bordering on fantasy. I'd consider him a modern day maggid. Even when I vehemently disagree with his take, I find his speaking style and demenor inviting and engaging. His book on relationships is excellent.
Ok, to cut to the chase. I think if you dig a little deeper, you'll find that while the Torah may advocate these "atrocities", the Oral Law often "clarifies" them for us. Example: We say we'll kill your children. Result: no more children on the front line. Example: We say we're going to destroy your holy sites (and maybe have to once). Result: Enemy thinks "maybe we don't mess with these guys, they're serious." Of course the Rabbis of the Talmud never had to actually plan for a real war, much less fight in one. I am obviously not getting all of the nuance here and am no apologist by any means, but I have been witness to a more nuanced discussion of these statements and the lines they cross.

[face]

Thanks for clarifying Shmarya I never knew how one becomes a Chabad, now I know how you got in. By any chance do you happen to remember the name of the Sofer who wrote your Teffilin?

[MisterApikoros]

If you go to ThirdReich.com you'll be redirected to the Holocaust Museum's website.

It would be a good idea for "Rebbe" Friedman, Shoshanna, "Face," and other supporters of Chabad to visit this website. They need a review course in what a holocaust is like.

BTW, I am no Tikkun Olam bleeding heart commie-liberal. I say, if Muslim terrorists turn mosques and madrassas into their operational bases, the Israelis (and Americans) need to turn them into rubble small enough flush down a toilet, and any civilian casualties would be the fault of the terrorists. But that's not what Herr Friedman said. Not even close.

[MisterApikoros]

Face:

Yes, there is an entrance exam to become a Chabadnik.

Take the Wonderlic Test (this test is given to all NFL draft choices). Average (for both football players and the general population) is 20. Dan Marino, former Miami Dolphins' quarterback and no genius, scored 16. If Marino beats or ties your score, you're in.

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

Another beaut, YL

[justayid]

"How do you think it would play out on a muslim website if the suggestion was made to kill Jews. I'm guessing nearly unanimous approval"

Even if that were true (and from my own experiences its by no means true of all muslims) that wouldnt really be relevant. I have never sent my child to a muslim summer camp, or attended a muslim religious function, or accepted a muslim clergyman as a friend.

For hundreds of thousands of Reform and Conservative Jews, Chabad is far closer to home.

[Ben]

Ok, if this quote is not out of context, then the man is an idiot. Good story teller though.

[Paul Freedman]

Dr. Dave, I am not myself outraged in every instance that civilians die--but puzzled myself that the guy believes killing them deliberately is a panacea on the cheap. And that killing people automatically makes them do what you want them to do. The dead ones, yes. Not necessarily their relatives.

[none]

You can't win a war by being (suicidally) humanitarian when your enemy is not. Especially when your enemy doesn't just 'have no qualms' about innocents getting killed but actually targets them. While his comments are a bit reckless and not so well defined, it's nice to hear a Jewish leader having a backbone every now and then.

[Paul Freedman]

you also can't win a war without calculating the reactions of your enemy to your actions and the limits of your own will and capacity.

[MisterApikoros]

The objective of a war is to destroy the enemy. It is not to deliberately wipe out the population in the process.

Israel managed to score an overwhelming victory in 1967 and in 1973 without wiping out the entire populations of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.

Obviously, destroying the enemy involves killing civilians, especially when Arab terrorists embed themselves in their midst. I support victory, not slaughter.

[Ben]

The idea that "all depends on us" and nothing depends on the other side is suicidal indeed.

Does Rav Friedman have a capacity to stand against entire world? It will be entire world against the Jews if they employ tactics of genocidal tribal warfare used by everybody in the distant past.

Like it or not, we live in modern interconnected world and not in the world of the Bible. I afraid tribal warfare model will not serve anybody well today. This is one of the reasons why I think that Rav Friedman's view is stupid and dangerous.

[Yochanan Lavie]

OCR: Thanks for your support.

I agree with Mr.A. There is a big difference between unintentional collateral damage (especially when terrorists hide behind civilian skirts) and intentional genocide. The fact that our enemies are genocidal just proves that we're not them.

[Paul Freedman]

Ben, the rest of the world may not be all that vivid and real to ideologues such as R. Friedman who are in it but not "of it"--which is nice for ideological purity if you don't just become "out of it".

[Isa]

Re:
Blowing up Islamic holy sites etc etc

Do you think Pearl Harbor (Japanese attack that is) was a defeat for the USA???

HELL NO!!!
It united the USA instantly and it put the Nazi loving scumbags and the 5th column like Lindberg out of business. HELL IT WAS A USA VICTORY!!!!

So be very careful about destroying Islamic holy sites without cause. If what was on the Temple Mount was destroyed just for the hell of it-The would be the Islamic 'Pearl Harbor' Be aware that building (Dome of the Rock)JUST MAY surround the Holy of Holies

[Me]

Dr Dave
"How do you think it would play out on a muslim website if the suggestion was made to kill Jews. I'm guessing nearly unanimous approval."

Try it and see

"I still remember Hanan Ashwari lying through her teeth on CNN after 9/11 saying that the palestinians were sorrowful for America's losses. "

Er Hanan Ahwari is Christian

"In CNN's finest hour the host put up video of palestinians dancing in the streets shoutin anti American and anti Jewish slogans and firing guns off into the air"

OK so some Palestinains celebrating means ALL Palestinians are celebrating. Using this logic all Jews want to destroy Masjid al Aqsa and kill all Palestinian women and children since Chabad want to

How DID you become a doc?

[Nelson D'Silva]

It is truly amusing to see how the Reform and Conservative Jews have turned their venom against Rabbi Manis Friedman. When will Jews ever learn to be tolerant of their own kind rather than find every excuse to fling slander and dirt against their own kind in public? By chastising Rabbi Manis Friedman do you think the world is going to give you kuddos? Far from it; you are making yourselves the ridicule of the world. You are not going to gain any brownie points for being self-righteous. On the contrary the world will continue to treat you with the same prejudice that they always did. All your self-criticism will not help. Be good to one another and be united and make God proud to have called you HIS Chosen People. Whether you are Orthodox, Conservative or Reform, you are Jews.

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