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June 24, 2009

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Hyman Rosen

Having watched American Orthodox rabbis demean and refuse to accept Conservative and Reform conversions, we get to have the schadenfreude of seeing their conversions denied as well.

My prediction is that in a few years, it will be standard to have couples who wish to marry under Orthodox auspices (and perhaps for other denominations as well) undergo a proforma conversion to Judaism prior to the wedding.

Dr. Dave

And the same beit din that converts them can witness the consumation of the marriage - just to be sure everything is halachic of course.

MisterApikoros

I don't believe these idiots should be fired. It should not be the state which has the power to fire clergy, except, of course, in cases such as the outrage at the Tombs jail in Manhattan. In that case, the rabbi worked for the City of New York.

What I believe is that the State of Israel should become secular, so the Chief Sephardic Rabbi and the Chief Ashkenazic Rabbi have temporal power and temporal power alone. Israel must recognize any marriage between two consenting adults (OK, adults of opposite sex; I'm uncomfortable about same-sex marriages). If the rabbis want to give a rabbinical seal, OK, but it would have no legal force or standing.

Same for conversions. Any rabbi, Medieval Orthodox, Modern Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, and Reconstructionist, should be able to perform conversions, and all should be recognized by the State. Whether one is Jewish shouldn't depend on whether the convert bathed in a bathhouse after having her period.

As for these excreable rabbis, they should pay close attention to what's going on in Iran, where the bell is starting to toll for the Islamofascists. The Judeofascists are next.

Ben

Rav Amar's silence speaks volumes.

He does not look any better then this despicable gang of Judeonazis with Elyashiv at the helm and Herr Shermann at the bloody knife edge.

Ahavah

I second that motion, MisterApikorus.

But what will really happen is that Israel will start turning away the educated, productive and intelligent people wanting to make aliyah and only accept the ignorant sheep approved by the UO. At that point, the State of Israel goes bankrupt under the weight of unemployable ignoramuses, the Arabs invade (killing all the chereidi and other innocent bystanders as well, since the useless chereidi won't defend the state) and that's the end of the State of Israel - presuming Hashem doesn't return to Jerusalem and start swinging His favorite 2x4 at their arrogant chereidi heads.

docwimz

Mk writes: I don't think they should be fired..
Yes they should, and as soon possible. They do work for ths State and receive a state salery. They enact laws and control marriage and divorce, and we pay for it ( I use to live in Israel) They work for State Agencies, like the beis din.
We also pay them Kollel saleries which guarentees them a monthy check whether their congregants are happy with their rulings or not. We pay additional money to them with every child they reproduce.
What we are seeing with American Jewry is that Judaism is changing based on the needs and beliefs of paying congregants. With out a guarenteed state salery they'de change fairly quickly.

mordecai

Yeah it is true. When you have a religious State it is like going back centuries when the Roman Catholic Church could bring Dukes and Princes, if not kings, to their knees.

The entire flow of post-enlightenment western history has been one of stripping religious institutions of their Theocratic powers and putting religion where it belongs -- in the houses of worhsip and not in the halls of government.

Everywhere there is a Theocracy their is growing oppression -- be it the Taliba, the mullahs in Iran, or the Heredi fanatics in Israel.

Ben

I was on another side, but now I have to agree with you Mordecai.

nobody

"Israel must recognize any marriage between two consenting adults (OK, adults of opposite sex; I'm uncomfortable about same-sex marriages). "

So because it's your opinion it should be so? A religious person has exactly the same justification for saying, "Israel must recognize only the marriages the rabbis recognize; I'm uncomfortable with civil unions or non-halachic marriages amongst non observant Jews."

Completely arbitrary and without any real basis except you think it should be true. And the religious think their opinion should be/is true and/or should be implemented. But at least they base it on something. You can't argue against them by flashing rhetoric about "judeofascists" across the screen and saying 'my opinion trumps all.' Give some rationale or some logic why the marriages you're speaking of are a good thing. This can be weighed against the negatives (and we know what they are).

Ben

Nobody, the civil marriage is not a wish, it is a necessity. Currently state of Israel recognizes and allows to perform only religious marriages. There is a big group of people, most of whom are patrelineal members of Jewish families, who don't belong to Moslem or Christian fath. This people also are not recognized by Rabbinate as Jews. As a result they don't belong to any faith. These hundreds of thousands of loyal citizens are not afforded a most basic human right - to marry. This is a discrimination and outrage.

If you don't see it you are trully immoral Nobody.

Ben

It is not American or Israeli conversions. All conversions regardless of time or place or record are now in jeopardy.

Unless this Elyashiv and his gang are rejected and excomminicated forever, there will not be a single conversion that is safe, whether it was done 100 years before or 100 past our times.

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