Postville Lag Ba'Omer Parade Video: "Agendas Destroy" Postville

An "old" Postville tradition? Or an excuse to avoid communal responsibility?

Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai was a student of Rabbi Akiva. He lived 1900 years ago in the Galilee, 600 years after Rabbi Vogel said.

Also note the sign carried by yeshiva students wearing what appear to be Agriprocessors hard hats:

Despite what Postville Jewish community leaders claimed, there was no religious reason that prevented Postville Jews from participation in most of yesterday's anniversary events.

Lag Ba'Omer is not a major Jewish holiday and it carries with it no prohibitions on work or participation in secular events.

There are agendas in Postville.

One of the biggest belongs to Postville's Jewish community, which has yet to take responsibility for any of the crimes, alleged or proven, committed by some of its members and enabled by many more.

Postville's Jews used the Parade to preach to the non-Jewish population of Postville. Cars with large menorahs tied to their roofs carried signs listing the 7 Laws of Noah, the legal code non-Jews are supposed to follow according to Orthodox Jewish belief.

Of course, the 7 Laws forbid doing many of things the Rubashkins are accused of doing. So does Jewish law.

There are agendas in Postville.

The largest one seems to belong to Postville's Jews.

Comments

[Equal Tim e]

--Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai was a student of Rabbi Akiva. He lived 1900 years ago in the Galilee, 600 years after Rabbi Vogel said.--

Funny - he seemed SUCH an expert!

I was actually more amused by the sign the car that read "Believe in one G-d - do not worship idols". I wonder if the non-Jewish people of Postville consist of a large populations of Caananites, or if the good Jewish population might be taking a cheap shot at their Christian "brethren"?

[WoolSilkCotton]

The L'B parade in Crown Heights always featured huge portraits of the Pillsbury Rebbe, as if the parade were taking place in a third world dictatorship.

[yidandahalf]

What a windbag. It certainly wasn't very lively.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Funny how the black hat crowd loves accusing everyone of 'agendas'. It seems to be one of their favorite words.

[Yoel Mechanic]

Sigh... I guess these days it is easy to find what to be cynical about. But I try to keep some perspective, the issues raised in the video are very minor. very very minor. particularly minor compared to some of the other issues commonly raised on this website. I guess we see a fairly broad range of issues on this website. My personal feelings are that I would be happy to see the range be even broader.

[Chicago Samson]

So Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai and Rabbi Akiba lived 2500 years ago? Gee, such lamdus!

[Chicago Samson]

Attention H.P. Lovecraft, we have a mission for you: Wouldn't you like to write a story about the resurrected Rebbe of Lubavitch!

Wow! What a concept--especially if it is written as a horror novel.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Lag Bummer.

[MisterApikoros]

From WSC:

---The L'B parade in Crown Heights always featured huge portraits of the Pillsbury Rebbe...

Wasn't he the biggest, baddest ghost in "Ghostbusters?"

[lobbying4peace]

Shmarya,

>>Cars with large menorahs tied to their roofs carried signs listing the 7 Laws of Noah, the legal code non-Jews are supposed to follow according to Orthodox Jewish belief.

You are mistaken. The seven cars did not have menorahs tied to their roofs. Each car had an item on the roof modeling the Noahide law that was posted on the back of the car. No one was "preaching" at the non-Jewish population. You are really reaching. This part of the parade was the idea and hard work of our 8th grade boys. They put a lot of care into the models and signs. They wanted to do something that everyone could appreciate and understand. I thought they did an amazing job. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to stir up such trouble. I am certain that no one in the community of Postville, whether Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, Moslem or of any other religious belief, had any issue with the noahide laws.

[sage]

Very Interesting Reading

+++ http://rooferonfire.blogspot.com/2009/05/when-kosher-isnt-aron-rubashkin-and.html +++

[Shmarya]

I am certain that no one in the community of Postville, whether Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, Moslem or of any other religious belief, had any issue with the noahide laws.

I tell you what. Your community starts to do some real introspection, and begins to take responsibility for the crimes committed by some of your members and enabled by many more.

You do that, and the rest of us will look at your 7 Laws of Noah preaching in a different light.

Until then, you live in the mess you made.

[sage]

List of Some Things that Need Doing

1. Aron Rubashkin pays what he owes to ALL of his creditors IN FULL.

2. All money owed to local and state entities (utilities, real estate taxes, etc.) PAID IN FULL and kept UP-TO-DATE.

3. All Nevel Properties fixed up to original conditions.

4. Cameras installed in Agri, per Temple Grandin request, and monitored 24/7 by neutral third parties.

5. Living wages paid to all Agri employees with health insurance provided/subsidized.

6. Agri workers permitted to unionize without fear of retribution.

7. Public statement issued abrogating Chabad belief that Gentiles are sub-human and may be exploited at will.

8. Other things that haven't come to mind.

[concerned citizen]

Shmarya: On your post of 6:48 a.m.; All I have to say is AMEN!!!!!! And a question for anybody, How is it that Agri is still operating? Thought they had been cut off from the bank(s) or maybe I missed something along the way. Everyone have a great day, I'm going to go out and plant flowers, so my yard can look nice, unlike the majority of the places in town!!!!!

[sage]

Hi CC,

IMHO, Canada's SMR, Moishe Fridman, who bought out First Bank's credit line, is providing operating funds. The probable plan is for him to purchase Agri and then re-sell it back to AR.

[concerned citizen]

Thanks Sage, but Here we go again!!!!!!!!

[lobbying4peace]

Shmarya,

>>Cars with large menorahs tied to their roofs

I'm just curious, how in the world did you report such an inaccuracy? I mean, it was a parade, for all the world to see, and you got that detail wrong. Could it be that you have possibly gotten other details wrong? Hhhmmm....

[sage]

Hey, L4P,

Please see that the List "List of Things that Need Doing", posted above, gets done.

Then, we'll be able to have a meaningful discussion.

Otherwise, it's a cockamamie effort, on your part, to continue posting on this blog.

[Nachum]

"The day he died was a celebration, because he fulfilled his soul's purpose"??

Sounds like another religion to me...

[sage]

+++ Thanks Sage, but Here we go again!!!!!!!!

Posted by: concerned citizen | May 14, 2009 at 08:16 AM +++

Hi again, CC,

This does not necessarily have to happen.

Some thing that may stop it in its tracks are:

1. Petitioning the USDA to provide no meat inspectors to Agri. Presently, at least some have been withdrawn. Agri will sue, but that case can be very conveniently delayed until after the Iowa and Federal Trials are completed.

2. All businesses in Postville and the surrounding areas refuse to have any dealings with Agri.

3. All businesses in Postville refuse to sell anything to the RCF and their supporters. Let Big Chabad provide for their daily needs.

4. See that utilities for Agri and the RCF are shut off, if accounts are more than one month in arrears.

5. Other things that you can think of.

[Yochanan Lavie]

What are the 7 Nougahyde Laws ? (/humor)

[state of disgust]

What are the 7 Nougahyde Laws ? (/humor)

1) Don't sit on the couch - its for company!

[sage]

Thanks YL and SOD!!!

We need some humor, from time to time, to keep our adrenalin flowing.

Come to speak of it, HaShem has infinately more humor, than all of the stand-up comedians in the world put together.

There are even a few places in the Torah, where this can be found.

But there is likely not to be any humor in the next world, for those criminally minded Jews, who pass themselves off in public as paradigms of virtue.

[Shmarya]

Shmarya,

>>Cars with large menorahs tied to their roofs

>I'm just curious, how in the world did you report such an inaccuracy? I mean, it was a parade, for all the world to see, and you got that detail wrong. Could it be that you have possibly gotten other details wrong? Hhhmmm....

Please.

Watch the video.

And it doesn't matter if the cars had menorahs or plastic cows or Yossi Gourarie strapped on them.

What your community did is still in poor taste, and shows again that you have not even begun to grapple with your own crimes.

[lobbying4peace]

Shmarya,

>>And it doesn't matter if the cars had menorahs or plastic cows or Yossi Gourarie strapped on them.

You know something? It does matter. You didn't even just say "Cars with menorahs". You said "Cars with large menorahs". YOU REPORTED SOMETHING THAT WAS NON-EXISTENT, SHMARYA. You even added an adjective to your imaginary vision to spice it up a bit. If you were careless enough on this issue which was so public and obvious, why should people consider anything you "report" as credible?

Once again, our 8th grade boys worked very hard on that part of the parade. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. You are looking to stir up trouble. The Noahide laws promote morality, plain and simple. I am proud that our boys chose to do something that everyone could understand and relate to, whether they be Jew or Gentile.

[Shmarya]

I repeat:

It doesn't matter if the cars had menorahs or plastic cows or Yossi Gourarie strapped on them.

What your community did is still in poor taste, and shows again that you have not even begun to grapple with your own crimes.

[State of Postville III]

They will never grapple with their crimes. It seems they do not comprehend what was done to other human beings is of consequence to their lives. It is inconceivable that should this plant get resold to the RCF that anyone would deal with them, but no one has the intestinal fortitude to say "no". You wait and see.

[State of Postville III]

Before the plant is sold as stated above all creditors should be paid including all utilities to the city which is thousands of dollars, and the treatment plant payments to the USDA need payment. The city could shut the plant down very easily by refusing to allow the use of the treatment plant--and why don't they??? Alliant and Black Hills are owed money, if it were an individual the gas/electric would be shut off.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Lobby 4 Peace,

Nobody cares about your idiotic Noahide nonsense; that is reality.

Consider focusing on the 7 Laws of Sage, as stated at 7:16am. Teach those to your own community first, and don't worry about teaching Christians anything.

[Father Stowman]

"Grappling" Scott, everyone is still waiting to hear how you had taken the hospitality of the Saint Paul community for many years and still at the same time used those opportunities to speak badly about the very people giving you that kindness. You benfitted from the money that Chabad raised and ate from their homes, but you have only repaid their kindness with hate and hate speech. Shame on you.

[Shmarya]

I realize logical thinking is beyond your capability, so let me help you.

Al Capone gives you dinner. You don't realize Al Capone is a gangster. Later, you find out.

You think because Capone gave you dinner, you have to be quiet. In fact, you have to a support of Capone.

Why?

Because he gave you dinner.

Normal people recognize the problem with that logic. You don't.

Past that, you do not mention the many things I did for Chabad over those years.

You paint things as if I took but never gave, and now I should be silent as a result.

Now run on off an worship your dead messiah and leave the normal people alone.

[Father Stowman]

What you said is not an accurate comparison. You always distract from the facts as they are, whether it is regarding you or other matters. You would eat at the Chabad House in West Saint Paul, and at the same time speak disparagingly about Rabbi Feller and Chabad in general to the other guests who were there. Do you deny this? This is not a situation of "Later, you find out." That is not normal behavior, my background in pastoral care and counseling indicate a sociapathic pattern. Look, how many friends do you have? Why are you in conflict with so many, even with the St. Paul Jewish Community Center! Scott, cool it.

[Yochanan Lavie]

FS: This is a red herring. If Shmarya didn't report Rubashkin's malefeseance, someone else would have. I don't give a fig about Shmarya's personal life because it's his business, not ours.

[lobbying4peace]

Yochanan Lavie,

Wait a second. Why is his personal life his business and he should be left alone, yet any Jew who lives in Postville, whether they had a connection to Agriprocessors or not, lives in a glass house at which he constantly throws stones? Father Stowman is correct.

[Shmarya]

What you said is not an accurate comparison. You always distract from the facts as they are, whether it is regarding you or other matters. You would eat at the Chabad House in West Saint Paul, and at the same time speak disparagingly about Rabbi Feller and Chabad in general to the other guests who were there. Do you deny this? This is not a situation of "Later, you find out." That is not normal behavior, my background in pastoral care and counseling indicate a sociapathic pattern. Look, how many friends do you have? Why are you in conflict with so many, even with the St. Paul Jewish Community Center! Scott, cool it.

1. Mendel Feller wanted me to come and help him make a minyan. Mendel has been my friend for many years, since he was a kid.

2. My complaints about Chabad locally are shared by several dozen others, most of whom have already left Chabad.

3. I sit on committees for the JCC. I have no conflict with it per se. I do believe that defective or improperly maintained gym equipment that injures someone should cause the JCC to take steps to prevent other injuries and pay related medical bills to the injured, etc. I wouldn't call that conflict.

Now slink off and bow down to your dead messiah.

[Yochanan Lavie]

L4P: Shmarya doesn't run a business under criminal investigation- that's why!!!

[Shmarya]

Wait a second. Why is his personal life his business and he should be left alone, yet any Jew who lives in Postville, whether they had a connection to Agriprocessors or not, lives in a glass house at which he constantly throws stones? Father Stowman is correct.

I do NOT report on the personal lives of Postville's Jews.

Have you seen me write about Leah Rubashkin? Chaya? Yossie? Anyone else?

Other than public figures like Tamar Dikel and Sholom, I don't.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Lobbying 4 Peace:
Any and every Lubavitcher in Postville is there because of some connection with Agriprocessors and the Rubashkin Crime Family.

[lobbying4peace]

Yochanan Lavie:

Neither do I.

Shmarya:

>>I do NOT report on the personal lives of Postville's Jews

Yes, you do.

>>What your community did is still in poor taste, and shows again that you have not even begun to grapple with your own crimes.

First of all, you consistently forget to add the word "alleged" before the word crime. Secondly, my integrity is not in question in any way shape or form, and neither is the majority of the Jewish community here. Yet, you still shake your finger at us and call us criminals. You criticize us as a collective whole, even though we are individuals. You maliciously look for anything that we do, or don't do, that can be twisted into a "Breaking News!!" headline posted here for all the world to see. You continually fan the flame for hatred and anti-semitism AND IT HAS AFFECTED MY PERSONAL LIFE and you don't even know me, although you're certain you do. Our children can't even escape your wrath. When you address the entire community like you did above, saying we have committed crimes, the repercussions of your statements affect us individually, personally. You may not be saying specific names, but the results are the same.

[lobbying4peace]

WSC,

I've seen your comments and you are obviously an educated person. We are certainly polar opposites on political views, but to each his own. Your comment at 03:26 PM, however, shows your ignorance on this topic. First of all, your assumption that everyone here is Lubavitch is knee-slapping funny. Secondly, your certainty that everyone here works at the plant, or that everyone is employed by the Rubashkins, once again shows your lack of education on this issue.

If you are content to think this blog gives you accuracy and the emes on the situation in Postville, then I guess you can continue on in your dream. But it is obvious to those of us who live here that it doesn't.

[Shmarya]

1. No I do not.

2. People have already pleaded guilty. The word alleged is not necessary in that context.

3. my integrity is not in question in any way shape or form, and neither is the majority of the Jewish community here. Yet, you still shake your finger at us and call us criminals. You criticize us as a collective whole, even though we are individuals.

Let's see:

a. Non-Jewish workers were abused by Agriprocessors.

b. This abuse happened in full view of Jewish employees, many of then rabbis.

c. Some of those rabbis actively participated in that abuse.

d. The Jewish community has never come to grips with that abuse, with its enablement or with the denial expressed by many of you, despite the evidence.

e. further, your community has consistently worked to help itself, to aid its own members, but had done little for the hundreds of non-Jews hurt by those crimes.

You don't like this? Tough luck. It's what your community is.

[lobbying4peace]

How stupid of me to try to have an intelligent argument on this topic with a self-proclaimed expert who probably hasn't ever stepped foot in the town of Postville, and who takes pleasure in stirring up the waters whenever he can. You don't know the emes. You aren't interested in the emes. I'm finished on this topic for now. Thanks for taking the time to cross out your mistake in the post. Have a guten Shabbos, Shmarya.

[Yochanan Lavie]

L4P: Keep blaming the messenger.

[Mika Galipeau]

I am the website owner Sage quoted above . Wander on by . My opinion is that of a kosher consumer and young person . You will see why I have skepticism towards the Rubashkins and Agri . Yes , there is abuse against employees of all ethnicities , some personal experience , and a few companies i reccommend .