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February 09, 2009

Hasid Indicted For Statutory Rape, Child Porn Refuses To Look At Evidence For "Religious" Reasons

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'PERV' TWIST
'OCCASIONAL' HASID

By LAURA ITALIANO, NY Post


Silverman 2 A Hasidic Jew indicted on shocking kiddie-porn and child-rape charges claims he's too religious to even look at the grotesque photographic evidence against him.

The 23-year-old Rockland County man is due in a Manhattan court today to seek bail. If convicted, he could go to jail for as many years as he's lived.

Prosecutors say David Silverman and two buddies - both now fugitives in Israel - used MySpace to lure three girls, ages 14 and 15, from their Westchester County homes to nightclub-style porn set near the Javits Center in March 2007.

Once there, the men allegedly plied the girls with alcohol and filmed the resulting orgy.

"The worst part is, we have no idea if these pictures - and there's video, too - are still out there," one source said

Raised in a HSilverman 1asidic family upstate, Silverman left home in his teens, shaved his hair, tattooed his body, pierced both ears multiple times, and joined the sex- and drug-drenched rave and trance music scene.

The girls knew him only as David or his online names, "DJ Rings" and "King Dingling." By the time cops found him, his two friends had fled the country, the illegal "dance club" on 34th Street had been dismantled, and his computer's hard drive was wiped clean.

 Or so Silverman thought.

Three days into jury selection last month, prosecutors resurrected a series of triple-X photos implicating Silverman and his two alleged accomplices.

Silverman has insisted he never touched the girls.

On the strength of the new evidence, Silverman, who had returned to the Hasidic lifestyle and moved to Spring Valley, was tossed into jail in lieu of $50,000 bail on charges of child pornography and statutory rape.

Now, he is refusing to discuss anything to do with the charges or look at the evidence "for religious reasons," says his lawyer, Israel Fried.

"He was 21 at the time, and the girls were 14, 15, but did not represent themselves as such," Fried claimed.

Images: Top, Silverman on his Facebook page. Bottom, Silverman in court.

[Hat Tip: Yankel.]

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Word out to Mr. Fried: that's what statutory rape is. You have sex with a minor, it's rape, period. The law doesn't care if they represented themnselves as 18 or any other age.

"Now, he is refusing to discuss anything to do with the charges or look at the evidence "for religious reasons," says his lawyer, Israel Fried."

Should make for a speedy trial.

When someone does Tshuva and adopts a new lifestyle it's assur to taunt him with the sins of his past.

Nothing worse than perverting HaShem's torah for pritzus and evil. Just like Rubashkin- perverting the Torah to hurt innocent tzelemei Elokim. Mamesh a shanda.

Also, the dummy Zev Brenner with the Footsteps organization: the shoiteh doesn't know that they are committed to helping brianwashed Haredi people escape.

I am deeply committed to Judaism, which for me is an Open Orthodoxy lived in line with the ideas of Torah Im Derech Eretz and Torah U' Maddah- living as a Jew in the real world, not the gartel fairyland of 13th Avenue.

+++ When someone does Tshuva and adopts a new lifestyle it's assur to taunt him with the sins of his past.

Posted by: face | February 09, 2009 at 08:42 AM +++


Really?

What planet do you live on?

This individual is going to be indicted and given a fair trial for his alleged crimes, nothing more.

If you commit murder with 2 kosher witnesses and were properly warned, you would still be put to death, whether or not you did t'shuva.
T'shuva is important, but the penalties are still imposed by a beit din, let alone by dina d'malchuta.

Thank you face , well said. Bottom line, if he is found guilty of a crime, he will do the time. In the meantime we still have the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

It's hard to know if Fried is just being a good lawyer but as UOJ pointed out this morning, there are people who are duped by underage girls who really look the part of adults. The law makes no allowance for this but it doesn't mean the guys are monsters in these cases.

It's so typical of SHmarya to print another misleading, screaming headline as Silverman was not a "Hasid" when this took place.

Let's say SHmarya gets caught in a very compromising situation with a Black prostitute. It happened today when he is secular but doesn't come to light until years later by which point he had decided to again become a Lubavitcher. SHmarya would have to add an entry about himself:

"Your's truly Lubavitcher Hasid Shmarya Rosenberg Indicted For Soliciting Prostitution. Refuses To Look At Evidence For "Religious" Reasons"

If an article like this can be posted, which has absolutely no relevance to anything about Chasidic culture or politics, then certainly there are many other articles that are far more relevant, but may not contain as much negative or prurient themes that should also be posted. While the blog-host here is scanning the Chasidic news with a fine toothed comb, perhaps he could pick out a greater variety of articles to lend perspective and help make this site a useful research tool for those who want to know what is going on in the Chassidshe world. Perhaps these could be filed under different categories, such as MediocreMessiah.com and ModeratelySuccessfulMessiah.com Articles about internal arguments: FlamingMessiah.com. I am in no way making this suggestion to pander to anyone, or promote alternative stereotypes; I really mean this as a sincere suggestion.

"Reb Doniel": "I am deeply committed to Judaism"

You sure don't sound like it.

yeah, ex-hasid at time of crime, hasid-of-convenience now (and good luck with that)--believe it or not people of all backgrounds and people who migrate from all backgrounds do the craziest things--it is the statistical chatter of the universe

I was laughing at the post but then I read the comments over at voisiznais.com.

You gotta read those comments.

I think they're gonna make this guy one of the Gedolim next.

Big tzadik.

Where do we donate for pidyon shvuyim to keep him out of jail?

Where do we donate so he can get glatt kosher meals in prison while Bubba teaches him a few things about molestation?

Any yeshiva's looking for a rebbe?

"full" communion. big deal

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/world/europe/10pope.html?hp

ROME — A rehabilitated bishop at the heart of a Vatican uproar for denying the Holocaust ever happened has been dismissed as the head of an Argentine seminary, the seminary said in an official announcement.

A statement released Wednesday by the Vatican Secretariat of State called on Bishop Williamson to recant his comments. In a rare case of the Vatican’s diplomatic arm furthering remarks by the pope, the Secretariat of State also made clear that the traditionalist bishops would not be welcomed back into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church unless they accepted the liberalizing teachings of the Second Vatican Council.

at least they kicked him out of the Seminary--the Pope told him to recant and instead he gave out yet another interview saying, as do all Holocaust deniers, that if emotion could be set aside and on review he decided that there was evidence of 6 mill corpses well, then, he'd change his mind--so he's spitting not only on the Jews but the Pope--the Vatican may have effed up with this guy

++Hasid Indicted For Statutory Rape++

He was a Hasid at the time of his indictment. The headline is technically accurate. One may then read the article for the sordid details.
But unless he is part of some well-connected hasidic/haredi family, the usual black hat knuckleheads probably won't cover for him.

ANON: weallll, this is the blog editor's headline take on the "rebbe":


Spring Valley, NY - On-Again, Off-Again Religious Man's Perv Twist

Who cares how old the girls were...he didn't touch them, right? or so he claims.
If he did sincere teshuva, he would come clean and admit what he did instead of lying about it which proves that no teshuva has been done. Sure, innocent until proven guilty...but that only applies in the Court of law. In the court of common sense, things don't look good for him. Besides, if he were so innocent, why did they charge him with a crime, why did he flee, why did he suddenly "find God". The authorities don't usually charge people with child porn or statutory rape unless they have pretty good reason to do so. Innocent until proven guilty is such an overused and incorrectly used term - it applies in the courtroom. If I'm not the judge and I'm not the jury, then innocent until proven guilty does not apply. Anyone know to which sect he allegedly belongs?

Paul, your headline is the most accurate and witty!

Shmarya is so worried about KJ. Let him worry about the problems in his own depraved Secular society first.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/08/INRC15MOCA.DTL

Dysfunctional familymaking
Debra J. Saunders

Sunday, February 8, 2009

This is not going to be a column that dumps on the misguided and clearly troubled Nadya Suleman - the 33-year-old unemployed single Whittier (Los Angeles County) mother of six who gave birth to octuplets last month. Of course, a single mother of six has absolutely no business having more children.

But the real issue here is that we live in a country with so few regulations on the human fertility business that clinics can engage in practices that can lead to premature births - producing low-birth-weight babies doomed to chronic illnesses and even infant mortality. The outrage isn't that Suleman is unemployed. (She would have had to quit her job anyway to care for her children.) The outrage is that the medical profession enabled her to give birth to eight premature babies, who each weighed between 1.5 and 3.3 pounds, which can be very hazardous to their development.

Doctors' understandable desire to help infertile couples conceive children has led to medical advances that are not necessarily healthy for children. The new order is great for adults, who now can have children without a partner and in defiance of age limits, but it is not necessarily in the best interests of the children they bear. We have created a society that dictates that all reproductive wishes should be answered. Then we criticize an over-her-head mom - whose own mother fretted that she was "obsessed" with having kids - when the inevitable horrors happen.

According to the Los Angeles Times, Suleman's mother, Angela, says that the six other children were in vitro babies from the same sperm donor; two are twins, one child is autistic. The octuplets, Suleman's mother said, were the result of her daughter's wish to try for "just one more girl." (She got six more boys and two more girls.)

You can say her fertility doctors - whoever they are - should have refused to impregnate an overburdened single mother. They should have.

However, in August, the California Supreme Court ruled unanimously that a San Diego fertility clinic had no right to refuse to inseminate a lesbian in a partnership on religious grounds. What happens if doctors refuse a single mom, who can sue based on state law banning discrimination based on marital status?

This story has created a public stir, in part because of the enormous resources in play. It costs $10,000 to $15,000 for a single cycle of IVF treatment. Yet now the mother could end up on welfare if she cannot support herself and her 14 children. It's not fair, critics complain, that she can choose to have kids she can't care for, but taxpayers can't choose not to pay for her welfare.

Then again, these innocent children had no say in choosing their mother.

Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center employed a 52-member medical team - including 12 doctors, two anesthesiologists, seven physicians just for the babies, seven respiratory therapists and 24 nurses - to deliver the seven expected babies, who remain in the hospital, but are doing "remarkably well," Kaiser spokesman Jim Anderson told me on Thursday, the day Suleman was released. (In case you are wondering, Suleman authorized Anderson to say that she did not use Kaiser for her IVF. In fact, IVF is not a Kaiser-covered benefit.)

Stanford Professor William Hurlbut, who sits on the President's Council on Bioethics, has seen IVF bring joy to infertile families. But he also noted that "multiple births are the bad thing about IVF." The more children per birth, the worse the medical problems are for the mother and the babies, who are more likely to die, and are often born prematurely, underweight and more likely to suffer from cerebral palsy or respiratory problems.

WoolSilkCotton--the guy looks "wrapped too tight" for sure, definitely "twisted"

This is like the old Jewish joke about the guy who murders his parents, and then pleads for the mercy of the court on account that he is an orphan.

i'd prefer if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he seems sincere. (once he spends about thirty years in jail)

while all of you are busy ripping shmarya a new one, maybe you should note that he also posted the audio of zev brenner and company belittling footsteps, an org that couldve helped this young man.

it is apparent that he ran back to his community to escape prosecution, not because he has done tshuva.

had he gone to footsteps, and had some guidance....guidance that was not being provided by his family, as they had probably cut him off...it is quite possible none of this would have happened

this is truly a sad story

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090121/COMM/901210326/-1/NEWS

A CHabad rebbitzen cannot state her first name for "modesty" reasons. This is just outside Port Jervis, NY.

"ripping shmarya a new one"

There are only so many places left on his frame to add to the collection.

It's kind of like the infamous dark angel whose body is covered with eyes.

Yochanan Lavie,

I have responded to your comment re my use of the term wage slavery under the article "How Chabad Views Rubashkin:..."

You can email me your further reply, if any, directly through my website link if you wish.

Uncle Joe, good points.
It is sad to see, when ultra-ortho folks leave the fold, how so many voraciously dive into every previously-forbidden activity, especially things like food, drugs, tatoos, piercings and sex. There are plenty of theories as to why, but I'll leave that topic for another time.
They seem to have such a hard time finding a healthy moderate lifestyle. This is why Footsteps is so important.
When an organization like Footsteps comes along, the black hat world tries to destroy it.

"when ultra-ortho folks leave the fold, how so many voraciously dive into every previously-forbidden activity"

How has this been true with SHmarya?

Spewing venom against Judaism almost 24/7 in the comfort of his Spiderman Underoos.

Taking time out to look for some "Black sugar"?

And what's he been fressing now that he's sworn off Rubashkin meat?

The quick about face and sudden piety put me in mind of the definition of "Repentant" as "Undergoing or awaiting punishment".

Archie, there you go again. In an earlier exchange you claim the lines about Shmarya and African-American women were from someone else. But then, here you are:

"Let's say SHmarya gets caught in a very compromising situation with a Black prostitute. (capitals as in the original)"

I think, Archie, you really need therapy or medication, you seem to be obsessed with this theme. Why a "Black prostitute"? Did anyone suggest that in this story anything was black other than the perp's new cover outfit? Did Eliot Spitzer have less trouble because his prostitute was caucasian?

And then that line earlier, where an obviously frum person knocks the "gartel fairyland", you say he's not committed to Judaism. Do you wear a gartel? Since when does a so-called Brisker wear a Chassidishe malbush?

but as UOJ pointed out this morning, there are people who are duped by underage girls who really look the part of adults

Archie,

It's really not fair of you to attribute a comment that was posted anonymously on his blog, to UOJ himself. The poster himself said that it is no excuse, even if they were duped. UOJ never was an apologist. Just because he allowed the comment through does not mean that he has the same opinion. In the future, please do not attribute anonymous postings to UOJ, or announce that "UOJ is reporting" when a comment is posted by someone else on his blog.

he must be really frum again, he put the ugly glasses back on.
the more modern the chasid, the fancier glasses tjey got.

Archie Bunker on February 09, 2009 at 12:34 PM wrote:

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090121/COMM/901210326/-1/NEWS

A CHabad rebbitzen cannot state her first name for "modesty" reasons. This is just outside Port Jervis, NY.

I'd call it a case of tznius girl gone wild, Archie.

STeve, it's true that UOJ did not write that himself but he usually erases or criticizes comments that unfairly defend molesters.

Allow me to expand on the idea at hand.

I once saw a case profiled where not only did an underage girl look much older but she supplied fake ID and the police agreed the guy had been duped but said it doesn't matter. This is one of those areas where the law can be a little unfair

Help;
I need some information on Rabbi Ozer Bergman. my wife wants to go see him speak about some guy named Rabbi Nachman of Bresnev and learn about "Hitbodedut" Please tell me what this is and if it is bad. I need help

alternative child,

you seem to be confused on several fronts. First of all, are you upset about Blacks or African-Americans that can be Arab or White Afrikaan? Second, you attributed comments about "hooking up with shvartzas". I pointed out that I don't use such crude terminology, SHmarya's CHabad enemies do. Shmarya himself recently let on that he has an interest in pursuing Black women. There are people who would be much more embarassed if caught with a Black vs. White prostitute but I don't think SHmarya would feel one bit more ashamed.

The other issue did not revolve around gartelach as far as I'm concerned.

STeve, it's true that UOJ did not write that himself but he usually erases or criticizes comments that unfairly defend molesters

That's not true. UOJ allows all types of comments. Perhaps he didn't feel the need to comment on this particular case. Even if you were 100% sure that he would concur with that opinion, it is still unfair to write "as UOJ pointed out", when in fact he never did. You wouldn't like it, and I'm sure Shmarya wouldn't either, if I went on another blog and posted "as Shmarya pointed out this afternoon, this is one of those areas where the law can be a little unfair". Just because Shmarya did not take the time to rebut your statement, does not mean he agrees with you.

Hey
The goyem have the same problem...
They 'find' jesus in prison... how they got 'rehabilitated'...
OK
The creep may not have to worry about a 'bubba' getting them in prison
Doing a 14 year old may not be considered 'Child Molestation' in prison

in his defense, his lawyers say the girls had identification cards from agriprocessors so he had every right to believe they were of legal age.

Archie, you've been hitting this "Black prostitute" and "Shmarya shtups shvartes" thing reall hard in the past couple months. I don't know why you're obsessed with Black women, but your fetish is getting a little creepy. When you combine it with the obvious racism it provides a more intimate look into your head than any of us really wanted.

"I'd call it a case of tznius girl gone wild, Archie. "

Where do I purchase the DVD ?

And as far as that goes there's nothing wrong with sleeping with Black people. It isn't some transcendental ethnic fuck-fest. It isn't exotic, degrading or in any way different than sleeping with anyone else. Trust me on this. My wife is half-Black, half-Chinese. Before I married her my last girlfriend was Black. Men are men. Women are women. They really are built the same all over the world.

The fact that you seem to bring it up at least once a day means you are the one with the problem. It might do you good to date someone of a different ethnicity for a while. It might help with your bizarre hangups. Seriously.

A CHabad rebbitzen cannot state her first name for "modesty" reasons

Don’t worry, I bet you that her first name contains either “haya” or “Mushka “ or both

To whom it may "concerned", Shmarya already replied to your plea for help re info. on on Rabbi Ozer Bergman:

Shmarya wrote:

He appears to be a Breslover hasid who teaches at a Carlebach yeshiva in Jerusalem.

Hitbodedut is meditation.

There is a brief bio of him here:

http://www.shlomoyeshiva.org/teachers/

Posted by: Shmarya | February 06, 2009 at 09:22 AM

Archie is married with children, so it wouldn't be good for him to date anyone.

It might however, be good for him to spend a little more time with his kids and a little less spewing his bigotry on FM.

Oy, you guys are really something. so what's this one about, oh yeah, the single mother of 6 who had octuplets. That is some litter. I think the angle of controlling the medical profession is where its at on this one. This story is obscene. Eight babies, all growing together in the womb?? Poor shnukims, there's no room. and Archie's illustrious explanation of the diseases and handicaps and disabilities of such children is real. Hey, medical profession, put the cork in the bottle and stop being such greedy bastards!! There's got to be a better way. I wonder how this story fits in with Torah teachings?

Haha! Any hint that there's something wrong with interracial hedonism and SHmarya's like minded natives go ape!

Nuran, get your facts straight. Prostitution was first mentioned today, not "months" ago. And it was as a hypothetical scenario.

By the way, why led you from your original Black girlfriend to a version watered down with another race mixed in? Did you find Black women to have very strong personalities? They say Grace Hightower hits & berates RObert de Niro all the time in public.

I'd call it a case of tznius girl gone wild, Archie. "

Where do I purchase the DVD ?

Posted by: The Monsey Tzadik | February 09, 2009 at 03:28 PM

Ask Ronn Torassian. It's his client.

Yisroel: I replied on the earlier post. Thanks.

Re: The post:
If this guy knew she was underage and fetishes children or teenagers (ephebephilia) the recidivism rate is well nigh 100%. Teshuva, schmuvah, he needs to be quarantined from society (if guilty).
Nuran Nuran: Excellent! I like women of all backgrounds. The bottom line is that they're human beings, and beauty comes in all colors.

"married with children, so it wouldn't be good for him to date anyone"

You have to know where Nuran is coming from. There are plenty of guys with his preferences that have no problem with "open marriages" and other alternative lifestyles.

"It isn't exotic"

You could have fooled the readers who Shmarya lectured to about "Jungle Fever".

He said it.

Archie, your 5:17pm comment was hilarious. You are either the world's biggest shmuck or a comic genius. Either way, I think you deserve your own reality TV show. Imagine the fun!--- maybe you could swap wives with Robert DeNiro- and Grace Hightower would hit and berate you in public. I'll bet that deep down, you'd really like that.

Gosh, Archie, you are losing credibility by the minute. "watering down of races"? You have Jewish Stockholm syndrome, we were persecuted falsely for so long for being a "race" so now you've become a race fanatic. Lucy Dawidowicz wrote that we shouldn't show Shoah footage because it was shot as Nazi propaganda to dehumanize the victims, and we begin to see them with Nazi eyes over time. But it won't help you one bit, Mr. Bunker, you can talk like a white supremacist, hide behind the name of a fictional racist, but at the end of the day you are just a little yid to people who see the world the way you do.
Me, I'm happy not to sit b'moshav racists and don't have to worry about it.

Wow, Archie. You've figured out things about me that G-d Almighty doesn't know. I've been married to the same woman for 18 years, completely monogamous. My preference is stated pretty simply: "Mr. Nuran does permit himself to get fucked by anyone except Mrs. Nuran."

You, I'm not so sure about. Your fetishes and obsessions keep leaking out here. The continued stuff about Shmarya dating Black women as if that were a bad thing is pretty creepy. Your fixation on racial purity reminds is frightenintgly close to Klan territory.

At the risk of sounding PC corny, there's one race: the human race. It's not too late to join it.

"racial purity reminds is frightenintgly close to Klan territory"

That's a stretch.

Most of the population believes that races should not interbreed. Even on forums such as Donahue, one reason stated is that interracial couples pursue lust at the selfish expense of the kids.

ANd it is a bad thing in SHmarya's case as there is about zero liklihood of Black women in Minnesota being Jewish.

Yochanan,

Shmarya & his supporters who think that man descends from apes, will probably argue that humans are a league as opposed to a race. (And then they still get enraged when some compare a certain race to primates)

"Don't you want me" by SHmarya's League

You were working as a waitress
In a cocktail bar on the Black side of town
When I met you
I picked you out
I shook you up
And turned you around
Turned you into someone new
Now five years later on
you've got Obama in the White House
"Successful Messiah" has been mocking you
But don't forget
It's me who put you where you are now
And I can put you back down too

Don't, don't you want me
You know I can't believe it
When I hear that even Black women won't see me
Don't, don't you want me
You know I don't believe you
When you say that you don't need me
It's much too late to find
You think you've changed your mind
You'd better change it back
Or we will both be shnorring

Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh
Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh

(Black woman responds) I was working as a waitress
In a cocktail bar
That much is true
But even then I knew I'd find
A much better place
Blogging in my underwear with or without you
The five years we have had
Have been such testy times
I still love Soul Food
But now I think it's time
I lived my life on my own
I guess it's just what I must do

(Shmarya again) Don't, don't you want me
You know I can't believe it
When I hear that you won't see me
Don't, don't you want me
You know I don't believe you
When you say that you don't need me
It's much too late to find
You think you've changed your mind
You'd better change it back
Or we will both be sorry

Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh
Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh

Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh
Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh

Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh
Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh

Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh
Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh

"Don't you want me, baby
Don't you want me, oh "

Cool... I like 80’s music. Too bad the Cure's ‘Killing an Arab’ is out of circulation...

Did Siouxsie & The Banshees really had a line says "Too many Jews for my liking". ?

Archie: I guess I'm one of Shmarya's minions (as opposed to minyanim) because I see nothing wrong with dating someone of another color (we are all of the same "race"- human), and because evolution is an established fact.

When an established fact appears to contradict the torah, I read miqra allegorically, like some of chazal say to do. And we are not descended directly from apes- we share a distant common ancestor with them. Big deal. Get over it.

I don't see how marrying someone of another color is selfish. That's bullshit. That's like saying Ashkenazim and Sephardim shouldn't marry because of the tension different minhagim in a family would entail. If other people want to be idiots about one's kids, what can you do? A "mixed race" person can even become president (unfortunately he's a liberal).

The only thing I liked about that parody is your choice of song. I like the 80's.

As much as I genuinely like you, I cannot defend you against charges of racism, just like you would have to concede I'm probably an apikorus (for other reasons, not race).

Archie Bunker

shmarya may have mistated the case in the title...but the facts remain

this kid went off the derech with absolutely no support system and went totally nuts

i do not believe that he is a hebephile, any more than the kids who got busted making porn vids in the jewish day school in los angeles are

more likely, his emotional age is probably around 16 thanks to his upbringing

this is a very sad case and i wish him the best...but he must be punished. even if he did not touch the girls, he engaged in rape

and i really think you need to do some sould searching into your personal attitude

it is time for the community to come to terms with the serious dysfunction within its midst....one that has been going on for generations

I don't know about Siouxsie & The Banshees but here are some reported anti-Semites:

Chris DeBurgh
David Bowie
Spandau Ballet
Annie Lennox (Eurythmics)

Yochanan,

If some scientists don't believe in Evolution how is it an "established fact"?

"I don't see how marrying someone of another color is selfish"

The kids stick out like sore thumbs and have social acceptance problems as Blacks discriminate against them even more than Whites. There is a whole culture on the internet where interracial couples compare notes about which communities are better to live in as far as having greater numbers of Black-White couples & Mulatto offspring.

As far as apikorsis, there are different sub-classifications. Some people are not fully educated in Torah and are sensible enough to listen to new information. Some know enough to know they are wrong but place the pursuit of pleasures above all else. SHmarya is on the lowest rung. He knows better and will stoop to any low tactic to pull others away from religion.

"If some scientists don't believe in Evolution how is it an "established fact"?"

Posted by: Archie Bunker | February 09, 2009 at 09:58 PM

there are no respected scientists who don't accept evolution. ther might be a couple of loons who try to make a name by disputing certain aspects. just as there are no respected historians who deny the holocaust, though there are some loons who do. i think i read that there are 4 times as many historians who deny holocaust as scientists denying evolution.
archie, show us a couple of scientific papers published in any of respected peer reviewed publications which disprove evolution. you wont find even one. must be a conspiracy.

What a fucked up family.

The silverman family is from kiryas yoel. one of this guys sisters married a pal from montreal who used to rape his teenage daughter.

these are white trash satmar hungarian scumbags.

Archie Bunker, whoever you are, should be banned from this blog. The entire model of Haredi religion is based on mind control, histroical revisionism, and ignorance, including ignorance of the Torah.

Of course, any fundamentalist would claim that those who approach the religion from a moderate point of view lack committment, etc.

If you would have seen an earlier comment fo mine, you would have seen that I have semicha yoreh yoreh yadin yadin. I learned with Haredi yeshivos and with Haredi rabbonim, especially Gemara and Halacha, and I have respect for the average Haredi person- I live in Brooklyn, in a yeshivishe community, and daven in a Litvishe minyan.

Regardless of these things, how can you bury your head in the sand and pretend that this pornogrpaher rapist is innocent?

You never hear of any Modern Orthodox people committing crimes. Madoff is NOT ORTHODOX- he is as frum as an oak tree.

Spinka- ganovim. Rubashkin- ganovim. Lubavitch- Sholom the ganef has violated all of Choshen Mishpat and has even violated Hilchos Treifos with the meat hooks. And let's not forget the alcoholics and idolaters who pray to a chair and believe that their Christ is going to rise from the dead and redeem all of us, r"l.

Satmar- pedophiles, child molesters, crooks and collaborators with Anti-Semites. The Satmar Rav was nobody special. He even thought he was smarter than the Amoraim! Chutzpah- he says that he doesn't eat bread in the morning as Chazal instruct but learns instead because "pas and Talmud have the same gematria" (See Sefer Edus B' Yosef by R' Weisshaus).

And then there are the vandals, the kanoim, those who beat up women on Israeli buses, set fire in the streets of Boro Park and make nothing but trouble and a chillul HaShem.

And how dare you accuse Shmarya of sleeping around- you are guilty of motzi shem ra and for that you will suffer.

Everyday, there is a new scandal involving these people. And no, they are not Charedim or Chassidim- there is nothing Gd-fearing or righteous about doing what these people do. HaShem should send Eliyahu HaNavi quickly to purify our camp and send Moshiach tzidkeinu be haymru be yomeinu. Omein.

The children of Rod Carew? Panamanian (black?) Jewish, and perhaps living in MN?

Really, when I come across a black Jew, I see a Jew, when I come across an Asian Jew, I see a Jew, and so on and so forth.

I am a divorced Kohen, and if I meet an eligible woman, and like her, then I don't care if she is black, Asian, Indian, Persian, or whatever. My children bring home a fiancee, as long as they are Torah observant and a mentsch, then I would have no objections, no matter the race, ethnicity, etc..

My daughter wants a Dutch sephardi Husband so she can have an expanded choice of food on Pesach, and only wait one hour after eating meat! Of course, she laments the fact that she would no longer be able to eat tuna melts....

I previously wrote:

"I'd call it a case of tznius girl gone wild, Archie. "

"Where do I purchase the DVD?"
asked The Monsey Tzadik on February 09, 2009 at 03:28 PM

You're in luck, Tzadik. It's available for free here:
http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=8187

The children of Rod Carew? Panamanian (black?) Jewish, and perhaps living in MN?

I've been out sick today, and missed this entire thread until now.

Without commenting on it other tan to state the obvious – what Bunker represents is evil – I will say a word about Rod Carew.

While in college, I worked as a men's clothing salesman. One of my coworkers, a Jewish woman named Katz, was Rod Carew's wife's aunt.

Last I heard, Rod is in California where he runs a baseball camp.

His teammate, Tony Oliva – one of the best hitting outfielders in major league history – also happens to be a real mentch.

Tony deserves to be elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. If injury had not dramatically shortened his career, he certainly would already be there.

Anyway, back to the arguemnt.

It is not the color of a person's skin that matters; it is the person him or her self that does.

People who have not learned this by now may never learn. And that is truly sad.

Interracial kids don;t stick out like sore thumbs. The black community accepts them, b/c they look "black." Eurasian kids look "white" and are accepted by the white community. All Jews no matter what color should be accepted by the Jewish community. It is demonstrably untrue that those kids are rejects; they readily find spouses and live happy lives. Lenny Kravitz rocks.

Too bad about the rocker-haters. I heard Phil Collins, too. Roger Waters is an Israel hater. I'll still listen on the radio but not buy their stuff. Annie's ex hubby is Israeli, so that's where that's coming from.

No reputable scientist rejects evo. If you want to reject it on faith, fine. But that's religion, not science. I would rather accomodate a nuanced truth, which makes me an apikorus of the God-fearing kind. That's why APC is my (n-word person) LOL.

Doniel, you sound like one of the biggest ignoramouses here which is especially said if you have yadin yadin.

I did not say the guy is innocent. I said that there is one narrow circumstance which may be the case here where the law is a little unfair. Nor do I defend various lowlives that you list.

You say modern orthodox "never" commit crimes. ARE YOU NUTS????!!!! There has been the investment fraud from some boys in Teaneck, the con artist Kirschner brothers arrested in Canada, a modern orthodox yeshiva in the 5 Towns named after convicted fraudsters, a possible upcoming indictment of Ezra Merkin and more.

Your slander of a giant in Torah like the Satmar Rov should have YOU very worried.

As far as Shmarya "sleeping around", he made his own admission recently. Besides, the guy is secular and secular people have no problem with ex-marital sex. And Shmarya is no run of the mill secular. He is rebellious and with a huge measure of pent up frustration from when he feels he was unfairly denied sexual permissiveness.

which is especially SAD - not said

2:51 am

Evil incarnate Shmarya calls the kettle black.

APC really has a "good" argument. The vast majority of respected Muslim clerics believe Jews are evil too.

In any event, I once read a scientific treatise that made a good case against Evolution. I was in high school then and don't recall the authors.

You know, there are plenty of heretics who go into this particular scientific field to push their beliefs on others as it is the perfect place to take that kind of advantage. It's just like molesters who get jobs where they have access to children.

Yochanan, I'm not saying mixed-race kids wouldn't be comfortable anywhere.

The fact is though that in large swaths of schools everywhere in the spectrum from public schools to yeshivas they are taunted & excluded for being different.

With inner-city Blacks, even the adults discriminate and not just against Mulattos but light-skinned Blacks as well. Surely you are aware of this.

From today's NY Times

“If you think of the 150 years since the publication of ‘Origin of Species,’ it had half that time in the wilderness and half at the center, and even at the center it’s often been not more than marginal,” says Helena Cronin, a philosopher of science at the London School of Economics. “That’s a pretty comprehensive rejection of Darwin.” (Dr. Cronin's comments on Darwin's text.)

Darwin is still far from being fully accepted in sciences outside biology. “People say natural selection is O.K. for human bodies but not for brain or behavior,” Dr. Cronin says. “But making an exception for one species is to deny Darwin’s tenet of understanding all living things. This includes almost the whole of social studies — that’s quite an influential body that’s still rejecting Darwinism.”

Archie, at first, like many readers here, I thought you were someone with extreme chareidi views but intelligent. Now it is clear that you are some kind of fraud, and desperately in need of therapy. The nonsense you spout about racism, aside from invalidating you as a source about halacha, also certifies you as retarded at best and a malicious hater at worst. Perhaps you are the kid descended from that Nazi who married into the Jewish community from your other post.

alternative child (maven),

get over your Liberal inspired anger and try to process what I am actually getting at.

Mulatto children are taunted by Black children & adults. That is a fact.

Mulattos are taunted by secular Jewish children. That is a fact.

A 100% Jew who happens to be Mulatto will be taunted by at least some kids in yeshivos even though it is a sin.

I think it's horrible & unacceptable but it is a reality.

The issue has come up on secular Liberal forums like Donahue where even they said it is selfish on the part of the parents.

With inner-city Blacks, even the adults discriminate and not just against Mulattos but light-skinned Blacks as well. Surely you are aware of this.

Sometimes that's true, but not always. Sometimes light-skinned Blacks look down upon their darker brethren. There is much about this in African-American literature, but from my understanding it's mostly a thing of the past.

Not all biracial children look biracial, and assholes will always taunt whomever they don't like/understand. That's never a reason to refrain from having children: "purebred" whites and blacks are teased by bigots of various hues, as well.

Donahue has little credibility, even among libs. I don't doubt it happens, but he's a sensationalist, and no has no show.

Scientists argue with the 19th century mechanistic views that Darwin has, but not with evo as a whole. They refine his theory, not refute it wholesale. He is like Copernicus or Galileo- a discoverer of uncomfortable data. But the torah is not a science textbook anyhow; it's a holiness textbook.

Maybe this (alleged) crook thinks statutory rape involves statues, and doesn't want to look at avodah zarah idols. (Hosted by Simon Cowell).

YL, you rule!

Archie ejaculates:


"racial purity reminds is frightenintgly close to Klan territory"

That's a stretch.

Most of the population believes that races should not interbreed. Even on forums such as Donahue, one reason stated is that interracial couples pursue lust at the selfish expense of the kids.
That's not a stretch. That's straight, classic Ku Klux Klan doctrine from the 1870s right down to today. It's also the Party Line of the Aryan Nations, the Nation of Islam and the German National Socialist Worker's Party. That's precisely what those degenerate fucks believe. And the fact that parrot their filth tells me everything I need to know about you.

Most people are against marriage across ethnic lines? Maybe in the ghetto where you and your sort play out your pathetic medieval fantasies and mumble incantations in the dark.

In the real world it's a lot different. My wife works for the local school district as a statistician. Over half of all kids who do not identify as "White, non-Hispanic" are mixed. And the proportion is growing.

Sixty years ago you were right in most of the US.

Forty years ago it was already changing.

Twenty years ago we didn't even stir a ripple except among the Orthodox members of my family. They muttered the same superstitious nonsense about "think of the children, won't they be confused?" But when we went to the Lilly White State Legislature to get the law changed and remove "race" from marriage license applications nobody raised an eyebrow. They were surprised it was there at all.

We haven't been blessed with children, but my wife and her brother seem to have grown up just fine. So did their cousins and their cousins' kids. And my nephew doesn't seem to be confused at all. Neither do our neighbor's kids or our goddaughter.

Today? We're the future and inbred remnants like you can argue the halacha of having your seventh and eighth toes removed and whether being genetically identical means that you're violating the laws against incest. Interrace magazine went out of business long ago because the things they fought for weren't even issues any longer.

What you have, Archie, is a galloping case of old-fashioned racism of exactly the same sort as the Klan, Farrakhan or Heinrich Himmler. Your obsession with purity and the out-and-out idolatry you reserve for everything that can be used to separate your fellow-cultists from the rest of humanity are frankly disgusting to decent people.

ANd it is a bad thing in SHmarya's case as there is about zero liklihood of Black women in Minnesota being Jewish.


But you keep mentioning Black women in particular. Not Latinas. Not Asians. Not Arabs. Not even shiksas in general. It's not that they're Gentiles, is it? Is it the dark skin? Is it the big butt? Is it the thick lips? What is it that fuels your obsession with the Sisters?

archie youre an idiot for idolizing the satmar rabbi.

read how he ran to save his hide from the nazis and left all his followers to die.

it was the zionists who saved him, even though he dedicated his life to destryoing zionism.

Archie spews:
Yochanan,

If some scientists don't believe in Evolution how is it an "established fact"?

The fact of evolution has been so thoroughly established by so much data that it's on a level with the facts of gravity, the sun rising in the East and the triple point of water. The few "Creation Scientists" are without a single exception religious zealots like yourself who have a stated bias which will not permit them to entertain anything except their religious beliefs.

The theory of evolution is a matter of lively debate among biologists of all sorts. If you do not understand the distinction I suggest you educate yourself before flapping you bacon hole anymore.

Archie Bunker has no kavod ha torah- slandering his fellow Jew and someone who is learned on my level. I was poitning out the many crimes and foibles within the Charedi velt.

You should really get off this website- you are posting the most idiotic and senseless comments at every hour of the day. Don't you have anything better to do than go on rants about black prostitutes? Why don't you make teshuva and learn instead?

You may want to start by learning Sefer Chofetz Chaim and the sifrei mussar, and then for good measure, learn Eim Ha Banim Semicha, Rav Teichtal's sefer, Rav Kook and Rav Soloveitchik, My Rebbe, rabbonim whose hasmada and kedusha far surpasses that of anyone living today, including you and me.

Please, Shmarya, erase his postings and all postings like it from kanoim and creeps like him. They can spew whatever they want over on the Yeshiva World and Vus Iz Neias.

But, please, get them out of here!

And, kol ha kavod to the last poster. What is even funnier is that I am referencing something from a sefer written by one of his followers. Keep in mind that none of his writings really deal with Chassidus- they are political in nature and rely upon an inaccurate view of the three oaths in Kesuvos 111.

His name suits him right- Archie Bunker was a stupid, racist, close-minded, ignorant, hateful pig who collaborated with white supremacists and condemned everyone, including Jews, whom he called "The Tribe." He even once ridiculed a Shomer Shabbos locksmith in one episode. You, the Satmar Rov, the klansmen, Neturei Karta and the Arab Palestinians can all join hands and continue destroying the world and killing Jews.

And once his identity is discovered, he should be handed over to the police for harassment. He is a criminal and a lowlife, just like all of the Haredi figures I mentioned. Stop obsessing over someone's personal matters- that is none of your business. And let's not forget all of the black hats who pay black prostitutes for fellatio while they still have the whole levush costume on! Black hats are among the largest patronizers of prostitutes here in New York and there was even a posting on the Chaptzem blog humorously entitled "Yeshivas John" due to the large number of black velvet yarmulke-wearing men anonymously photographed in the mandatory class johns have to take after an arrest for soliciting prostitution.

On Siouxsie and the Banshees: I understand that the line was removed and as her career progressed she went in quite the opposite direction, standing up against anti-semitism, and doing the song "Israel". But Phil Collins and Sting were the most well known anti-semites in pop music. On the other hand, there's a great story about Kurt Cobain participating in a pirkey avot shiur if anyone wants to hear about it...

On Archie: People should already recognize that he spouts all sorts of racist hate speech all the time and pretends its some kind of Jewish value, and that he's fairly unread but that doesn't stop him from spouting off on any subject, he has strong opinions on "evolution" but only read about it in a high school book that he can't name, and doesn't understand the difference between the biology of evolution and "Darwinism" (or "Spencerism"). But yet everyone debates him as though he was some sort of expert on anything or a representative of a Torah viewpoint. As my father would say, he's greater than a tzaddik, he's a pay-tzaddik (pay is the letter before tzadi in the alphabet, and the letters pay-tzadi spell an appropriate word).

I like some of Phil Collins's songs, and much of Sting's. I am not surprised that Sting is a hater, because he's a dickhead, a pseudo-intellectual, and a baal geivah. But he does make good music.

I am amazed that Kurt attended a shiur, but pleasantly so. I thought with his politics he might be an anti-Zionist. At the sedar, he could sing: "Here we are now, give some chrain to us!"

That Thai girl is hot, so I'm glad she's not a hater anymore. (Siouxie).

Is a pay-tzadik like Pay Per Jew?

Disclaimer: (I can trash celebrities because they're in the public eye. As long as I don't do it in person, it's not the same as trashing bystanders here on FM)>

Archie -

As for a Jew marrying a black gentile - didn't Moshe Rabeinu do just that.

Maybe that's the real reason Aaron got the Kehuna instead of Moshe - so we wouldn't have mulatto kohanim!! (Major Sarcasm)

Grow Up!!!

Archie is baal teshuva, only BTs has such hatred toward other jews who do not share their outllok. I heard from BT ( talmidim Tropper’s Kol Eisav yeshiva) things like Modern Orthodox are “skotzim” and people who support the state of Israel are Idolatry worshipers.

Archie's familiarity with 80’s new wave is a farther prove he is BT because FFB would never listen to this kind of music.

I do not know why Archie hates blacks but Esti Mamo Ethiopian-Israeli model is hot and for sure got some available friends…..

http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS282US282&q=Esti%20Mamo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

Tzaddik: Thanks for that bracha.

Thank you, Monsey tzaddik. That explains everything. First of all, why is a frum yid emulating a television character with abhorrent middos? Secondly, don't people realize that Modern Orthodoxy has been normative for our entire history, although it hasn't gone under any denominational name like that until recently? It saddens and frightens me that people think like that.

I have semicha from Haredi institutions but I learn torah from YU, Dati and Haredi yeshivot alike. We are all trying to live in ccordance with HaShem's will by davening, keeping mitzvos and learning torah. Why denigrate those who actually care about women, Non-Jews, the environment, the state of Israel, getting educated and learning the Complete Torah. Scores of Haredim whom I have encountered have NEVER heard of Mechilta, Sifre, Sifra, R' Saadia Gaon, and do not have the slightest knowledge of Midrash, Jewish Thought, Tanach, and areas of Torah other than the few blatt gemara they learn through in yeshiva. Modern Orthodox, on the other hand, focus on learning the entire torah, gaining braod bekius in Bavli and Yerushalmi, learning some of Bavli B'Iyun, and learning Jewish History, Thought, Tanach, Halacha (they also lack a knowledge of halachos unless they have Yoreh Yoreh) and even incorporating academic Jewish studies into one's seder ha limud. And most importantly, we have Ahavas Yisroel and Ahavas Briyos, love of Israel and all of humanity. This is why we feed the hungry of all nations, go on service missions to third world countries and do what we can to help the immigrant workers victimized by Rubashkin and others.

For the record, the Satmer Rebbe did write a sefer on parshat hashavua that is not political in nature, and is actually quite good, the Divrei Yoel.

Reb D: I can't live w/o the arts and sciences, (or w/o kedushah). Nowadays, many MO have become plainclothes blackhat lite and look down upon me for having a PhD in literature. Although I daven in a MO shul, my praxis is more conservative and my philosophy a mixture of MO and apikorsut. I just call myself traditional. Modern Orthodoxy needs to stop looking over its right shoulder, declare its independence, and poise itself for a renewal.

Not that anyone asked me.

I agree 100% with you. I am not a shul rov, yeshiva rebbe or dayan for a living. I learn torah lishmah and work in law and academia; I have an MBA, MA and PhD in Political Science and a JD in law, went to Seton Hall, NYU, Columbia and Harvard, and am an ardent supporter of Open Orthodoxy, which aims to resist thr shift to the right that you largely see among the YU contingency.

I value the learning of the arts and humanities, the social and physical sciences and believe that this too is an integral part of living Jewishly- being engaged with human wisdom, which gives us an insight into how HaShem governs the universe (Rav Hirsch).

As Rav Kook said, there is the holy and that which is not yet holy.

Welcome to La La Land.

You have some guys reading Shmarya's blog who are either actively sleeping with a Black woman or have openly professed a desire to who are insisting that the universal consensus revolves around their preference.

So forget a talk show host from the 1990s. There are plenty of Liberals who tell their kids we love Blacks as people, just don't marry one. It is perfectly legal, perfectly normal & perfectly sensible.

And Nuran is completely deluded to think that interracial couples didn't attract stares 20 years ago. (It still goes on today, mostly from Black women who go completely beserk when they see an interracial couple) And it's strange that he has that hangup about Jewish genetic diseases when they are mild compared to what Blacks are afflicted with.

And for the ignoramous who invoked Moses, he was married to that woman in name only and did not even look at her. Midrash Rabbah says they lived in separate homes and had zero interaction. She was gifted to him by the Ethiopians and he said thanks (but no thanks). Oh wait a minute! Now Shmarya will have to attack Moses as vociferiously as he does the Lubavitcher Rebbe!

I'm surprised at you guys. You don't know that Cobain's wife Courtney Love is Jewish?

Maven who often posts as Alternative Child keeps trying to smear me in an effort to shut me up but it's not working, despite how he twists my words out of context to mock me or otherwise insult me.

Here's a little clue, the more he does it, the more I will post items that get under his skin.

I find it hilarious btw how "Monsey Tzadik" and others keep trying to psychoanalyze me and otherwise speculate as to my identity.

I can just tell you that all the top yeshivos including Brisk & Ponevizh have had big mayvinim pass through in all sorts of secular topics including music & obscure sports statistics and some of them could put me to shame with their knowledge.

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