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January 28, 2009

What The Evidence Really Was – Rubashkin, The Cash, The Coins, And The Infamous Travel Bag

Rubashkin and the US Attorney agree…

that what follows is the evidence related to flight risk.

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Rubashkin Stipulation 1
Rubashkin Stipulation 2
Rubashkin Stipulation 3

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for this they held him with no bail?

ha Rubin what you going do when we crash your party and take you out back for your bass kickbacks all your little buddys.see you on thursday me and the boys here in town can't wate

I have an autistic grandaughter and a child with Aspberger's syndrome(similar characteristics but on a less dramatic level) and I can fully empathize with Leah's explanation of hiding certain things from Moshe. My grandaughter has an obsession with DVD's and would tear the house apart if her favorite was not available. They also have to keep a lock on their refrigerator or she would eat herself sick. Despite this, in the Rubashkin case, he has already proven he can't be trusted when he ran up to Agri to destroy more evidence after his first release. This isn't about the "Law of Return," it's about using dirty money and clout to hire attorneys who know how to twist the law to their client's advantage through the media. Shame on them for gaining sympathy by using his disabled son as an excuse to gain his freedom. He should be pretty cocky by now- it will be interesting to hear the next blunder that puts him back in jail. I'd be real suspicious of any piles of dirt in his backyard!

January 28, 2009 at 07:51 AM:

Thank you for sharing your story. It bothers we as well . . . when Sholom, Leah, and/or the family representatives 'insert' Moishe as a bargaining tool.

BBRREEAAKKIINNG !!!!

Cash in the house !!
Silver coins !!
Moishe ! Leah !
Agri !!
Chabad !!
Rabbissssssss !!!!!!!!

Please good people of postville, please good reform , conser , not frum , please

Help SHMARYA !!!!

We search all nigth for some bad news about chabad and frum rabbis to counter attack shalom rubashking coming home good news and we didn't find any, please doctor Lo Tov !!

We only find news about the pope !!

( If we can make a connection Pope , Chabad , Rubashking . Then we may have some good news to report )

Shmarya , Jeff Abbas and all the people heating chabad, frum jewish people , went to the doctor and ask AGAIN this morning for extra xtra xtra strong Ambian pills in order to sleep , and extra large dose of prozac & other pills to be able to function !!!
In addition to their normal prescriptions !!!

We cannot sleep !!! We cannot work !!

We cannot take a pi$$$

How they let shalom go home !!!

Please more Ambien!
Please more Prozac !
Please more koolaid!

Please!
Please!
Please!

Please Shmarya ( doctor lo tov ) we need help!
Please find some thing tonight about Chabad , Ruba !
Please find some dirt about any frum jew !!


Don't bring stories about teachers raping kids in the public school system,

Don't bring stories of reform or non frum jewish running ponzi scams,

Don't tell the people the reason you are after ruba , chabad and frum rabbis .

Please we want ( or you want doctor lo tov ) only stories about frum people! Only about chabad !

We want to read how terrible they are !

How they don't enjoy live .

How sorry they are for belonging to chabad!

How every teacher in the cheder rapes the kids !

Doctor Lo Tov ( shmarya )
This is the BREAKING news we want

We cannot sleepppppp!
We cannot go to work this morning !!!
We cannot take a pi$$$$ !!!!

Pleaseeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

Shmarya !!!!!!!!!

Help!!!!!!!!!!!!

BBRREEKKIINNG !!!!!!!!!!
BBBRREEAAKK!!!
BBRREEAA!!!
BBRRE!!!

Ha rubashkin you are not welcome in postville you need to find a new town to move all your jew buddys to

To the people of postville.


You r all talking against shalom and our community .

All postville knew about hispanics working in agri.
They went to church.
They went to public school
They shop at IGA.
They use Centurytel.
They cash cheks at the local banks.
They rent house from the good samaritans in postville.
They went to the garage sales in town.

They work in decorah
They work for good non jew boys in the farms,
They work in constraction,
They work as painters for city officials
They rented houses from postville police force.

You all made money from iiligal workers ALL POSTVILLE !

Are you giving money back for the high housing prices we pay beacause of agri ?

Give the goverment back all the money you made out of this hispanic !!

NO !!!!!!!!

Only shalom , rabbis & the jewish community have to pay !!!

We are all good samaritans , but the agri people up the hill , they are , they are JEWS , they are the ones that must answer to SHMARYA , JEFF and all the others seekers of the thruth!!

We the people of postville , the good samaritans didn't do any thing wrong !

Get the jews !!!
Save postville !!

Please SHMARYA help !!!!

Rubashkin I reserved a room for you at the homeless shelter.I own your home now .to bad

Rubashkin I reserved a room for you at the homeless shelter.I own your home now .to bad

Will SR be arrested when he goes to synagogue, as it is in Clayton county?

Rubashkin I always knew you were a stupid fucker

Rubashkin I always knew you were a stupid fucker

Joe Daddy ,

Daddy , daddy, joe.

Go to the church they are giving free medication for people suffering from SHALOM COMING HOME SYNDROME !!

Free for you and the others!

Ok not so free , the church is using donation money collected from all the illigal hispanics

Using the church,

They make money from this poor people just like the rest of postville !

But it dosnt metter because they are not jews !!

So go and enjoy your free prozac and don't forget to share with your good non jew boys friends at club 51.

( They made money out of the hispanic and all the people coming from texas , waterloo etc, they enjoy the money )

[Will SR be arrested when he goes to synagogue, as it is in Clayton county?]

Good gravy! I hope not!

Arresting Sholom at the synagogue would only fuel the anti-semitic 'fire' caused by the denial of his bail.

Sholom's got a travel bag (apologies: James Brown)

Come here Yidden.....Sholom's out the clink
He ain't too hip...about that new blog bubbeleh
He ain't in drag
Sholom's got a travel bag

Come here mamaleh....and dig this meshugeneh scene
He's not too honest....and his line is not so clean
He's such a drag.
Sholom's got a travel bag

He's acting the Jerk....
He's wants to Fly
He pays 'em cheap 'cause he ain't an honest guy
He's stashing his Money, the silver dollars, Jump back Judge, See you later
litigator.

Come here schwester
Sholom's out the clink
He ain't too ehrlich
but I can dig that chutzpah bubbeleh;
He has an in-flight mag,
He's got a travel bag

Oh tata! He's acting the Jerk
Tata...he's acting the schmuck
He's doing aliya... just not tellin' ya,
He's trying to Fly ev'ry day and ev'ry night
The thing's....like the Mountain Dew.
Hey....come on
Hey! Hey.....come on
Hey! Hey....his purse is tight...out of sight...
Come on. Nu! Nu!

BRREEAAKKIINNGGGGGG !!!!!

B R E A K I N G ! ! !!

Today free for all !!!

If you are suffering from SHALOM COMING HOME SYNDROME,

Please go to club 51 !! Right now !

We will all drink SHMARYA koolaid mix with prozac and other good drugs in order to may be , may be bring this SHALOM COMING HOME SYNDROME to a stop!

Please joe daddyy , hitler , yochanan a katan, please show up drink up and let's save postville !!

We must get the jews !!!
We must save postville!!!

Let's all ask the good father and sister from the church to show the other chick cheek check ( not yur tuchas )

Please get the jews !!


SHMARYA are you sleeping ??!!

We want to know what you r taking .

Please JEFF please broadcast any thing any thing any thing

I cannot function like this any more,

Please good samaritans, please help !!!!

Rubashkin iam getting reddy to move in your home .so to bad .

Rubashkin just so you know iam doing your wife and amy dickel at the same time

Iam in your bed right now with your wife and amy dicksucker it ture what thay say about jaw ladys thay do give good haed.evey one should do them thay are good.thanks amy .and rubashkin

While there is no date on the document, it is clear it was prepared for the appeal before Judge Reade. It does present information that the defendent probably did not know at his intital bail hearing, namely that was fired from Agriprocessors. See Item (5).

On the blog entry here yesterday about the family's press release, it was stated the the receiver, Joseph Sarachek, submitted an affadavit to the court. We don't know what is in that affadavit. It could be a "for he's a jolly good fellow" statement. Or, the receiver could have certified to the court he fired the defendent.

++Despite this, in the Rubashkin case, he has already proven he can't be trusted when he ran up to Agri to destroy more evidence after his first release.++

Can you direct me to any court document containing the above allegations? Or, are they your own fabricated allegations?

Hitler !!

Watch your sister teeth when you doing your wife with your redneck friends watching you!

Don't forget you have some road kill in the oven.

Please go to club 51 they are giving extra strengh drug for redneks like you and bring your sister - wife with you.

Take a shower before you walk in the street we can all smell pig sh%% coming from you!

You are suffering from SHALOM COMING HOME SYNDROME !

Go to 51 or to Jeff Abbas house or to shmarya home ( not is home , is mother underground sh$$&&@@ place )

Bring your underwear and please shave your tuchas because shmarya like soft and clean culitos !

Long live Ruba !!!

Ha little jew boy keep walk on highway and u will road kill you stupped fucker

Shmarya: Why not ban both these clowns?

Yochanan a katan.

You r not a clown ?

Your song stinks so we should ask shmarya to kick you out of is blog ?

You don't like the EMES ?

We can send you free of charge some of the drugs the rednecks use or may be some hitler road kill.

Chiilll out yochi and sing the song

Posted by: getzel rubashkin ( not )

all of your posts are disgusting, arrogant and truly the reason the rubbishkings are so hated within the community. your only adding fire to an already boiling pot. grow up and act like a human being. if this is what being jewish is all about i'm glad i'm NOT! maybe you need to move where this kind of nonsense is acceptable. here in iowa we are raised with respect and dignity.

Just wundring was that against hitler

no, I'm outraged by getzel's behaviour. He's an idiot!

You don't like the EMES ?

On the contrary, I like EMS. You should call them to drive you to the mental institution.

That's all from me for now. You have the last (illiterate) word.

Wassamatter Yochanan?

Is no you likee to read illiterit
oppinions in strange
free
verse
form with

Constant references to drugs

Constant references to Shmarya's alleged homosexuality/living quarters/anti-Semitism.

Constant bad spelling and complete lack of
sentence.
structure.

Arbitrary exteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeensions of words as though the writer just smoked a
doobie
the
size
of
New Jersey followed by
hyperpunctuation??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!

I fiend that the besst weih too bee tayken siriusly is to appear
Completely.
Insane.

++The allegations are in an ICE report that was reprinted here:
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/Sholom%20M.%20Rubashkin%20Bank%20Fraud%20Affidavit.pdf

++Despite this, in the Rubashkin case, he has already proven he can't be trusted when he ran up to Agri to destroy more evidence after his first release.++

Your paraphrasing sentence is misleading and mostly inaccurate. You implied that he violated laws or release conditions after his release. He did none of that and did not violate any laws. He did what any average citizen would, including you and Shmarya, if you learned that you were being investigated for alleged fraud. That's not any indication of trust or mistrust.

But aside from this point, the rest of your comments reveal how deeply biased you are against the person. That, above all else, causes your credibility to disappear.

DBM: Thanks, I needed that :-)

Thank you FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican for the clarification. Sam- Destroying documents, no matter how benign they may have been, is pretty suspicious behavior when one has been charged with fraud. "He did what any average citizen would, including you and Shmarya....?" I can't speak for Shmarya, but if you're implying that dishonesty is the norm, then I guess I'm not normal! Obviously you haven't done much research on Agri or the other businesses SMR has been involved with, or you live so far away that much of your info has been filtered. Thanks for reminding me that the final judgement of this man is not mine to make.

[Arbitrary . . . as though the writer just smoked a
doobie
the
size
of
New Jersey . . .]

That would never be enough to do the trick. What we need is a 'doobie' the size of the horrific aftermath created by Sholom.

Maybe that would enable me to understand how it is a man, age 24-approximately (if not exactly), has a mother, age 36, as has been previously reported/printed.

++Destroying documents, no matter how benign they may have been, is pretty suspicious behavior when one has been charged with fraud.++

He has not been accused of destroying any documents. The simple allegation is that he asked his employee for a USB which may contain evidence of fraud. There is absolutely no allegation, neither was there any evidence introduced, that he destroyed it.

++Destroying documents, no matter how benign they may have been, is pretty suspicious behavior when one has been charged with fraud.++

He has not been accused of destroying any documents. The simple allegation is that he asked his employee for a USB which may contain evidence of fraud. There is absolutely no allegation, neither was there any evidence introduced, that he destroyed it.


No.

The allegations are as follows:

1. He asked employees to destroy evidence – which they did.

2. He took the USB drive and destroyed or concealed it.

++No.

The allegations are as follows:

1. He asked employees to destroy evidence – which they did.

2. He took the USB drive and destroyed or concealed it.++

To be more precise, Shmarya, as you always are:

The allegations are as follows:

1. He asked employees to destroy evidence – which they did.

2. He took the USB drive

There is absolutely no allegation that he destroyed it or concealed it. Read the documents again.

There is absolutely no allegation that he destroyed it or concealed it.

He could not produce the drive when asked, Sam.

++He could not produce the drive when asked, Sam.++

Can you point me to a government document which contains those exact allegations, that they asked him for it and he could not produce it? The aforementioned cited documents do not contain such or similar allegation. All they allege is that the "interviewee" stated that he asked for it on October 29, 2008 and she/he gave it to him. (At Page 11 Paragraph 15.) Did you fabricate that?

Simple point, Sam.

If Sholom had the drive and was willing to turn it over to the feds, then the feds could not use the missing drive against him during the bail hearings.

You'll note the feds did use the drive, and Sholom's position appears to be "What drive?"

++Simple point, Sam.

If Sholom had the drive and was willing to turn it over to the feds, then the feds could not use the missing drive against him during the bail hearings.

You'll note the feds did use the drive, and Sholom's position appears to be "What drive?"++

Your response contains many inconsistencies but most of all you didn't answer the question. First, if the feds used the drive then Sholom didn't destroy or conceal it. Second, direct me to an allegation, which you said exists, that Sholom concealed or destroyed the drive. This is a rather simple question you did not answer. If you don't have an answer say so, and take back your original statement alleging that he did.

First, if the feds used the drive then Sholom didn't destroy or conceal it.

I guess I was too short for you.

If Sholom had the drive and produced it when asked by the feds, the allegation of destroying or secreting the drive could not have been made.

Yet it was.

When it was, all Sholom had to do to remove it from the list of reasons he should be denied bail was to produce the drive or offer to.

He did neither.

At no time do his attorneys do anything to remove the drive from contention.

Second, direct me to an allegation, which you said exists, that Sholom concealed or destroyed the drive.

It's in the first bank fraud affidavit.

++It's in the first bank fraud affidavit.++

Page and Paragraph number please. I did not find it there. Either direct me to where it is or tell me that your comments were inaccurate.

Page and Paragraph number please. I did not find it there. Either direct me to where it is or tell me that your comments were inaccurate.

Page and Paragraph number please. Either that, or I'll have to assume you are illiterate.

And in the original bank fraud affidavit, as well.

That indictment was unsealed in mid-January well past the motions for Sholom's release were filed and proceedings commenced. In fact, it was already after the Judge denied the motion. If that's the case, then how could it have been a factor in the governments opposition to his release. That allegation was not raised yet at that point.

More importantly, the referenced paragraph once again does not say anything about destroying or concealing the drive, only that he collected the drive from his accounting employee. The reference to destroying evidence was about directing his employee to delete certain items from the computer accounting system. Shmarya, is your basic reading comprehension failing you, again?

Sam- sounds like you're getting hung up on semantics. "Deleting certain items...." means they are now gone- would you agree they have now "disappeared" instead of been "destroyed?" In any case, I would have thought SMR wanted to spend time with his family upon release instead of doing housekeeping at his workplace with his computer! Besides, this involves only a fraction of over 100 charges so he's got a lot more explaining to do.

++Sam- sounds like you're getting hung up on semantics.++

When you can't back up a statement you make, then i get hung up on semantics? I didn't say it was a significant part of Sholom's problems. But when you make a statement you back it up and, if you can't, you ought to be man enough to say 'i misspoke'. Could that get into you thick skull?

That indictment was unsealed in mid-January well past the motions for Sholom's release were filed and proceedings commenced. In fact, it was already after the Judge denied the motion. If that's the case, then how could it have been a factor in the governments opposition to his release. That allegation was not raised yet at that point.

More importantly, the referenced paragraph once again does not say anything about destroying or concealing the drive, only that he collected the drive from his accounting employee. The reference to destroying evidence was about directing his employee to delete certain items from the computer accounting system. Shmarya, is your basic reading comprehension failing you, again?


You certainly do not read or process information normally, "Sam."

Either that, or you're lying.

Here's the relevant quote from paragraph 41, page 24 of the new superseding indictment (which includes all previous indictments):…Just before and after the [bank's] lawsuit was filed, defendant Rubashkin took measures to conceal the diversion of FBBC collateral by collecting evidence of the diversion and causing the destruction of evidence of the diversion. On October 29, 2008, defendant collected from an Agriprocessors accounting employee a thumb drive containing digital evidence of the diversion…

Shmarya, your problems go way beyond processing information. You can actually copy and paste a text that states the exact opposite of what you say it states. One can only guess that you're being blinded, literally, by your own biases.

The text you put in bold states, in a general tone, that Sholom collected and destroyed evidence of the diversion. The text then goes on to state specifics. It states that the collecting of evidence was of a USB (thumb) drive and another computer file. It then states that the destruction of evidence was of the other computer file of which evidence was deleted. It does not say that the USB drive was destroyed or that evidence contained on the USB drive was deleted.

So who can't read and process information, me or you? But, more importantly, it's scary how your biases can cause you to miss a distinction as clear as that. No wonder you never made it to law school. Seems that this is the most you can make of your talents. Indeed, a sad state of affairs.

I understand you have great difficulty with comprehension and with honesty.

The feds don't have the thumb drive – or the other files, or the paper files.

Sholom made those disappear.

Whether Sholom threw them in a lake, burned them, buried them or left them in Heshey's house, the result at this point is the same.

Sholom obstructed justice and tampered with evidence.

You don't understand? You don't comprehend? You simply want to nitpick?

None of that changes the facts.

I am taking that as an admission that whatever obstruction of justice is being alleged against Sholom, it does not include a specific allegation that Sholom destroyed or concealed the thumb drive, though he allegedly did do so with respect to other evidence. Apparenly, my nitpicking helps clear your mind when you read things and think you see the things you wish you saw. (If you didn't get that, just add it to the list of things you don't get).

I understand that nitpicking is a process too difficult for your brain to sustain and ultimately may lead you to conclude inconvenient facts. That's why we do it for you.

++The feds don't have the thumb drive – or the other files, or the paper files.

Sholom made those disappear.++

The allegation that Sholom made those dissapear was raised regarding the 'other files' and 'paper files', though not regarding the 'thumb drive'. That is your added allegation.

I understand it's a difficult distinction for you to comprehend but, please, try your best.

But, in any event, your honesty comes into question when you can't support a statement you make. Do you think you can swallow some shame and admit your mistake? We won't berate you for that. Seriously. Only between ourselves.

I am taking that as an admission that whatever obstruction of justice is being alleged against Sholom, it does not include a specific allegation that Sholom destroyed or concealed the thumb drive,

Wrong.
The allegation that Sholom made those dissapear was raised regarding the 'other files' and 'paper files', though not regarding the 'thumb drive'. That is your added allegation.

Wrong.

You don't read well, you don't process well, and you're dishonest as can be.

Again, Sholom did not produce the drive. He has not contended the drive never existed or that it was somehow magically lost.

He may have buried it. He may have destroyed it. He may have given it to Heshy.

Whatever he did with it, he obstructed justice.

That is the charge. That is what the supersceding indictment says.

That is what you are too twisted to understand.

++Wrong.++

You know what, why don't you just copy and paste the text of the indictment that states that Sholom is concealing or destroyed the thumb drive. And don't copy and paste another part of the text 'you' say means that he did (as you so eloquently did before). And, if you can't show it, just don't respond. I'll know why.

…Just before and after the [bank's] lawsuit was filed, defendant Rubashkin took measures to conceal the diversion of FBBC collateral by collecting evidence of the diversion and causing the destruction of evidence of the diversion. On October 29, 2008, defendant collected from an Agriprocessors accounting employee a thumb drive containing digital evidence of the diversion…If this is not clear enough for you Sam, take ot to an English teacher. Or take it to an attorney.

Better yet, take it your therapist. Ask for the little blue pills, Sam. I hear they're very good.

++On October 29, 2008, defendant collected from an Agriprocessors accounting employee a thumb drive containing digital evidence of the diversion…++

'defendant collected'- it does not say he concealed or destoryed. Couldn't the prosecutor write that instead? Again, you're pointing me to something that does not say what you say it does. And, if this is the best you can do, then you're not as good as i thought you might be.

As for the blue pill, did you hear that from your sex therapist? For someone like you who does not have much more than Rubashkin and Haredi sex abuse to stimulate your mind and body, i can understand you frequent a shrink- and a sex shrink. (Is he/she Haredi? I wouldnt be surprised!). We'll be soft on you about it. Don't worry.

'defendant collected'- it does not say he concealed or destoryed. Couldn't the prosecutor write that instead? Again, you're pointing me to something that does not say what you say it does. And, if this is the best you can do, then you're not as good as i thought you might be.

Sam,

If you don't understand, take it to an English teacher or attorney.

It means the government doesn't know what Sholom did with the drive – but it does know the drive was not found during its search and Rubashkin has not produced it.

Obstruction of justice is obstruction of justice. Kind of like when you answer the phone and tell federal investigators, "My name is Sam," when your real name is [target].

++If you don't understand, take it to an English teacher or attorney.++

I emailed it to an attorney (white-collar criminal defense in NY) and just received her response. She says you don't know what you're talking about. She says that although that paragraph does state that Sholom allegedly obstructed justice, it also further clarifies clearly that he allegedly did so with respect to computer files. She added that it does not allege so with respect to the thumb drive. The attorney also said that prosecutors don't have a problem saying things the way they are and usually do. She is of the opinion that it would have stated the allegation in a clearer manner regarding the thumb drive if it was being alleged so.

Should i take it to an English teacher?

Either you're lying or your attorney is wrong.

Again, taking the drive is obstruction of justice.

What Sholom did with that drive is immaterial – unless it can be returned intact and with all its data intact.

++Either you're lying or your attorney is wrong.

Again, taking the drive is obstruction of justice.++

I am not lying.

Taking the drive from his employee and putting it in his possession is only obstruction of justice if they can prove that Sholom did so knowing that he was being investigated regarding the data on that drive. Again, i haven't seen such an allegation and, frankly, neither have you.

Taking the drive from his employee and putting it in his possession is only obstruction of justice if they can prove that Sholom did so knowing that he was being investigated regarding the data on that drive. Again, i haven't seen such an allegation and, frankly, neither have you.

Sam – You're wrong. The allegation is in the superseding indictment I posted and quoted.

Anyone else reading this, please see the superseding indictment paragraph 41, page 24.
…Just before and after the [bank's] lawsuit was filed, defendant Rubashkin took measures to conceal the diversion of FBBC collateral by collecting evidence of the diversion and causing the destruction of evidence of the diversion. On October 29, 2008, defendant collected from an Agriprocessors accounting employee a thumb drive containing digital evidence of the diversion…Obstruction of justice, period.

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