BREAKING! Google & YouTube Censor Israel War Videos As "Inappropriate" – IDF Channel Treated Like Porn

Details:

Please make sure to see the update at bottom of this post. Thank you.

This is one of the videos banned by YouTube and then, as you'll see below, reinstated after viewer and blogger pressure:

What you see are Hamas operatives loading Grad missiles onto a truck. Then you see the explosion after the IDF rockets the truck, destroying it and the missiles and killing the Hamas operatives, as well.

But this is not graphic footage. You don't see body parts or blood.

Still, YouTube's parent company, Google, felt it necessary to remove that and other videos – all of which make Israel's case for war.

What Google has done is clearly censorship of the worst kind.

And that censorship by Google continues, as you'll now see.

This is how the the IDF Channel's home page looks now. Please click to enlarge:

If you click on a video there you are brought to a YouTube verify screen before being allowed to view footage. You must be 18 or older – just like porn – to view IDF videos. Please click to enlarge:

Here's the text:

This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community.

By clicking "Confirm", you are agreeing that all videos or groups flagged by the YouTube community will be viewable by this account.

In other words, if you want to watch the IDF videos showing Hamas loading missiles meant to murder Israeli civilians, you'll also have to take the chance of seeing KKK videos or porn.

The IT Examiner notes this isn't Google's first – or its most draconian – use of censorship:

Youtube censors Israeli Army videos
Reinstates 'some of the footage'
By Aharon Etengoff in San Francisco @ Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:30 AM

Youtube has removed a number of IDF (Israel Defence Forces) videos posted on a newly inaugurated channel.

One of the banned videos was a clip showing a cell of Hamas operatives being targeted in an IAF (Israel Air Force) strike as they loaded rockets onto a truck.

"We were saddened earlier today that Youtube took down some of our exclusive footage showing the IDF's operational success in operation Cast Lead against Hamas extremists in the Gaza Strip," said the IDF Spokesperson's Office. "Fortunately, due to blogger and viewer support, Youtube has returned some of the footage they removed."

The channel, which currently boasts over 3,000 subscribers, recorded over 132,805 views in just two days.

Google, which owns Youtube, is no stranger to censorship. Google.cn, which currently obeys draconian Internet policies stipulated by China, routinely suppresses search phrases regarding the Falun Gong, Tibetan independence and the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.

Youtube maintains a Terms of Service that prohibits the posting of videos which violate copyrights or depict pornography, illegal acts, gratuitous violence, or hate speech. User-posted videos that violate such terms are subject to removal and replaced with a message stating "this video has been removed due to terms of use violation".

To give you an idea of how truly draconian Google is, I was banned from Google's AdSense program more than four years ago.

Why was I banned?

My site – at that time a tame collection of documents from rabbis on the Jewish status of Ethiopian Jews, and a collection of newspaper accounts of Chabad messianism – was flagged as being "against a group or individual," and therefore in violation of Google's terms of service.

That group or individual? Chabad and its late rebbe.

I pointed out to Google that it had not banned thousands of sites that were anti-Bush, anti-Clinton, anti-Gore, etc. I also asked a question: If I put up a site that was anti-KKK, that exposed the racism and violence inherent in the Klan, would that site be banned?

Google refused to answer the question. It also refused to lift the ban, which stands until today.

In fact, I launched two new websites, one in late 2007 and another this summer. The first site had nothing to do with Judaism, Chabad, politics, Israel or anything controversial. It was a health site related to a specific illness.

When I got ready to launch that website, I reapplied for Google AdSense and was accepted. I briefly placed Google ads on FailedMessiah and on the new site. After a week or so, Google banned FailedMessiah again. But, in an email Google clearly said that my new website or other sites I may start would not be affected by the ban. And that is how it should have been because the new website did not violate Google's terms of use.

Less than a week later, Google banned my new website, as well – even though the content had been static for the entire period in question. In other words, the content it banned was the exact same content it had approved.

Google refused to explain this new ban or change it.

Late this summer, I launched the second new website, OpenSourceHalacha.com. Google banned that, as well, even though all the website does is print and translate Jewish legal decisions and sections of the Shulchan Aruch, the standard Code of Jewish Law.

Google has no appeals processes and is notorious for chucking people out of AdSense without warning or recourse.

How ironic the company that most defines the Internet age is a crude censor that cannot see the difference between IDF videos and porn, or between legitimate criticism by Jews of other Jews and the American Nazi Party.

UPDATE: Google-YouTube has a Multinational Force in Iraq channel with videos like the IDF video Google censored.

Google does not censor those MNF-Iraq videos.

UPDATE 2: Google-YouTube Pulls Some Warning Screens, Adds Others – IDF Videos Still Treated Like Porn.

[IDF Channel first noticed on Horizontal Plane.]

Comments

[Nov]

Thanks! Posted on my Facebook, will also post on my blog. Cheers.

[Archie Bunker]

Is Yosef a Falasha or Muslim? The Muslim spelling is usually Yousef.

http://www.ethiopianreview.com/content/7961

2 Ethiopians in Maryland arrested in bank robbery plot

December 28th, 2008

MARYLAND (AP) - Two men have been arrested in connection with a thwarted bank robbery plot that included the kidnapping of a Prince George's County family.

Maryland state police say Yohannes Surafel of Washington DC held the family at gunpoint Saturday morning, while ordering them to drive to the bank where the mother worked. A state trooper arrested him during a traffic stop.

Surafel faces numerous charges, including assault, kidnapping and conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

Another man, Yosef Tadele of Silver Spring, has been arrested and police expect to charge him.

Surafel and Yosef are accused of holding the bank manager and her family overnight at her Clinton home on Friday. Police are searching for the third suspect.

[Archie Bunker]

What's the name of your health website?

[Tehiya]

Wow, that is so scary. Is there anything that we can do about it? Anyone to write a letter to? What alternatives are there to youtube?

[Shmarya]

Wow, that is so scary. Is there anything that we can do about it? Anyone to write a letter to? What alternatives are there to youtube?

The issue is not alternatives to YouTube or Google. They are the industry leaders by far. Choosing the second best is like choosing the 19th best – very low traffic and very low impact.

Therefore, the issue is Google's censorship and what that censorship means for the free flow of information.

It may take antitrust prosecution to stop Google.

[Isa]

Regarding:
""""Is Yosef a Falasha or Muslim? The Muslim spelling is usually Yousef.""""
There is no standard way of converting Arabic into Roman letters. However there are many (or perhaps the majority)Christians in Eithiopia

[Michael Dorfman]

Freedom of speech must be for all, for IDF, for a criticism by Jews of other Jews, as well for the American Nazi Party, for porn. The universal freedom of speech is the only guarantee of this freedom.

[Fred E.]

It's "would not be affected by the ban", NOT "would not be effected by the ban"

[Jason]

Unfortunately there is no way to proceed against Google for its censorship aside from consumer pressure. I wouldn't hold my breath for antitrust action against Google, at least in connection with the censorship issue. The adwords issue is a real problem though.

What it does highlight is the absolute importance of net neutrality, something Google and all tech companies were in favor of, until recently Google made some moves away from net neutrality. Net neutrality has failed in Congress before, but needs to pass, and that is something you can call or email your Congressperson on.

[Rabbidw]

There was a very recent case where a dating service was forced to open a special site for homosexuals under the equal protection clause. I would consult a civil liberties attorney about the possibility of leagal action. I believe there is a group that works with conservative organizations regarding free speech. If you can get past summary judgment, which you should, you will get a big bucks settlement offer. Good luck.

[red]

I thought the white figures scurrying about were cockroaches.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Google is the new Evil Empire. It acquiesces regularly to the ChiCom's calls for censorship of the Chinese internet. It rejected pleas from Israel and others that Google Earth would jeopardize security.

Sergei Brin, an ex-Soviet Jew, emigrated to the USA with his parents at a young age (six). He must have absorbed the boiler-plate list of liberal Jewish values, because he is known to support liberal causes (most ex-Sov Jews tend to be more conservative).

He probably means well, and gives money to good causes, but unfortunately some liberals (not all) in addition to supporting unimpeachably good causes also sign on to bad causes, such as social engineering issues. I suspect he's a liberal social engineer, in the mold of RINO Bloomberg. That's ironic, because the USSR was all about social engineering run amok, and Brin made his fortune in the free market.

Also, some liberal Jews (not all) want to save Israel from itself, or even are anti-Israel. (In fairness, I don't know where he stands, but if so, that might explain treating the IDF as Hustler.com).

I hope he becomes a true, 18th Century Liberal (nowadays called Conservative-Libertarian) and embraces freedom of expression.

Shmarya: Given the fact that Google has caused you trouble, why do you use them as an internal search engine on FM?

[VIN Deletes Comment]

I cant figure out why VIN deleted the following comment on the story "Dov Ber was the second child of the Hotzbergs to die of Tay-Sachs disease."

A comment at http://www.vosizneias.com/24942/2008/12/30/jerusalem-israel-another-holtzberg-son-dies/ says

“Rivkkeh Holtzberg was one of my best friends and today is another very sad day for me,I remember when she confided to me that based on a letter from the Rebbes Igros she decided against the results of their dor yeshurim test, I was begging her to change her mind ,but 3 rabbonim blessed her shidduch, and the rest is history”

[VIN Deletes Comment]

I cant figure out why VIN deleted the following comment on the story "Dov Ber was the second child of the Hotzbergs to die of Tay-Sachs disease."

A comment at http://www.vosizneias.com/24942/2008/12/30/jerusalem-israel-another-holtzberg-son-dies/ says

“Rivkkeh Holtzberg was one of my best friends and today is another very sad day for me,I remember when she confided to me that based on a letter from the Rebbes Igros she decided against the results of their dor yeshurim test, I was begging her to change her mind ,but 3 rabbonim blessed her shidduch, and the rest is history”

[R]

What has the above story got to do with the main storyline?
About the whole Gaza thing. I am sick and tired of hearing it on the news because all they do is go on about poor palestinians blah blah blah and of course Israel should stop the bombings. Would they rather that Israel choose the same methods Hamas use. Load a truck with a rocket and then blindly send it off into Gaza killing real civillians?
As for google censoring this. I am not surprised. They are probably a bunch of leftwing peace idiots who have no back bone.

[Archie Bunker]

Am I the only one who thinks it odd that in the headline Shmarya put "porn" in bold italics?

Yilmod adam ma shelibo chafetz?

[Archie Bunker]

Larry Page, Google's co-founder with Sergei Brin is also Jewish by virtue of his mother.

But why is anyone surprised? The majority of Reform Jews were recently polled showing that they don't give a hoot if Israel disappears. Homo rights and their other twisted social idols are uber alles.

[Shmarya]

The majority of Reform Jews were recently
polled showing that they don't give a hoot if Israel disappears

Got a source for this?

It certainly flies in the face of what I know from personal experience.

[Archie Bunker]

I will try tracking down that article. When I showed it to some Reform Jews right before the election, they were very saddened and lamented that the younger generation of Reform Jews are a big disappointment in their eyes for abandoning Israel.

[Archie Bunker]

http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/article/1249/

Who says Jews are Smart?
by Jonathan Rosenblum
Mishpacha
October 29, 2008
YES, POGO, THE JEWS ARE THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE

Arab-Americans overwhelmingly support Senator Barack Obama for president. So do Jewish-Americans. One of these two groups either does not care much about the Arab-Israeli conflict and/or is stupid. My money is on the Jews.

American Jews care less and less about Israel. Over 50% of non-Orthodox Jews under 35 say they would not view the destruction of the State of Israel as a personal tragedy. Israel is not a popular cause on college campuses. Many Jewish students struggle against being identified with Israel, lest it complicate their social lives. In the under 35 cohort, only 54% profess to be comfortable with the idea of a Jewish state.

Other Jews who still find it uncomfortable to disavow concern with Israel have convinced nevertheless themselves that it is in Israel's best interests to be forced back to the 1949 armistice lines. A talkback to a recent Jerusalem Post piece of mine nicely captures the mindset.

Nathan Berkowicz writes: "What do you expect us Jews to do, hold the Palestinians hostage forever? Get your head out of the sand and wake up to the fact that we are going to have to hammer out a peace deal, a real peace deal, if for no other reason but to show ourselves that we are willing to humanely and fairly deal with a problem we created for ourselves."

Berkowicz places the exclusive onus on Israel for the creation of the Palestinian problem – either by virtue of its creation or for having the effrontery to win in 1967. In addition, he blames Israel for the failure to achieve a "real peace deal." The infamous "three No's" of the Arab League in response to the Israeli offer to withdraw from the West Bank after the Six Day War played no role; ditto Arafat's decision to return to open warfare and reject Prime Minister Ehud Barak's offer of well over 90% of the West Bank at Camp David. Finally, Berkowicz wants the Jews of Israel to demonstrate their humanity. He never mentions ensuring their own survival as a desideratum. So goes the "pro-Israel" case for Obama.

THOSE WHO SEE ISRAEL'S SALVATION in its being pushed back to its 1967 borders have good reason to eagerly anticipate an Obama presidency. Obama has described the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as a "sore, . . . infect[ing] all our foreign policy," and placed return to the "peacemaking" of the Clinton years is at the top of his foreign policy agenda.

The express goal of that "peacemaking" will be an Israeli withdrawal to its 1967 "Auschwitz borders." In a June interview with Jerusalem Post editor David Horowitz, Obama said he can understand Israel's desire for "'67 plus" in terms of security buffers, but Israel should consider whether it would be worth the cost in Palestinian antagonism.

The overwhelming majority of Israel's Jews dread a return to the Oslo process, which claimed 1,471 Israeli lives in terrorist attacks, without bringing peace any closer. Oslo made a fetish of process over actual peace, as a pattern of concrete Israeli concessions in return for recycled Palestinian promises took shape. Obama offers more of the same: "Israel's government must make difficult concessions for the peace process to restart," he says.

On security grounds alone, the vast majority of Israelis oppose further territorial withdrawal from the West Bank at present. Earlier withdrawals from southern Lebanon and Gaza resulted in the creation of heavily armed Iranian proxies on Israel's southern and northern borders. Israeli intelligence predicts that Hamas would quickly take over the West Bank as well in the event of an Israeli withdrawal. The near elimination of successful terror attacks from the West Bank since 2002 demonstrates that only Israeli troops and on the ground intelligence gathering capabilities can deter terrorism.

Oslo taught that peace cannot be imposed from the outside and has nothing to do with signed agreements. Only a bottom-up transformation of Palestian society would make peace possible, argues Natan Sharansky, and that transformation has never seemed so far away after the Hamas takeover of Gaza.

Even the "moderate" Mahmoud Abbas recently declared a festive celebration in honor of the leader of the Coastal Road Massacre in which 37 Israelis were murdered. Demonization of Israel and Jews continues unabated in the official Palestinian media. No wonder three-quarters of Palestinians say that reconciliation with Israel is impossible in this generation, even after the signing of a peace agreement and creation of a Palestinian state.

The greatest threat to Israel's existence is a nuclear Iran. By calling for direct American-Iranian negotiations, without offering anything new to the Europeans' approach over the last five years of unconditional negotiations, Obama only grants Ahmadinejad more time and increased internal legitimacy. And by linking any sanctions to Chinese and Russian cooperation, he dooms those efforts from the start. Bottom line: an Obama presidency guarantees a nuclear Iran.

And all this leaves aside dozens of troubling Obama associations. For twenty years, he sat complacently in the church of a pastor – "my spiritual mentor" – who spewed contempt for whites, America, and Israel.

Virtually his whole public career has been closely intertwined with the unrepentant former Weatherman William Ayers.

Another member of Ayers' Hyde Park circle was former PLO official and the current Edward Said Professor at Columbia University, Rashid Khalidi, whom Obama credits with opening his eyes to the plight of Palestinians. He has been heavily funded by the virulently anti-Israel George Soros.

Obama has numerous ties to the Nation of Islam, in particular through Tony Rezko, the convicted, Syrian-born racketeer, who partly paid for Obama's home.

Obama's foreign policy advisors have included: Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's national security advisor and thirty-year critic of Israel; Samantha Powers, who has called for an end to aid to Israel and the introduction of American forces to protect the Palestinians; and Robert Malley, who has made a career of advancing, together with a former Arafat advisor, a revisionist account in which Israel was responsible for the breakdown of Camp David.

Even the Republicans touted for an Obama cabinet – Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar – have been among the handful of senators, sometimes the only ones, to consistently oppose sanctions against Iran, Syria, and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Hagel laments the intimidation on Capitol Hill by the "Jewish lobby."

[Yochanan Lavie]

Arch:

Birthright Israel was created to address this problem. Thanks to Madoff, it might not last.

BTW: Soros's last name used to be Schwartz. His family changed it to sound more Hungarian. Worked like a charm (not).

Happy secular New Year. G'mar chatimah tovah.

"On New Year's Day it is written, and on Martin Luther King's Birthday it is sealed."

[PR]

Shmata,

Heres "Breaking News" you forgot to post:

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/28020/PHOTOS:+Chabad+Joins+Soldiers+on+The+Front+Lines.html

or maybe its too much positive news for you?

[Shmarya]

Shmata,

Moron.

[Shmarya]

I'd also point out that those "front lines" are nowhere near any combat because, at this point all combat is in the air.

[Paul Freedman]

Will they (ever) take to the ground?

JPost commentator:

JPost.com » Israel » Article

Dec 31, 2008 20:42 | Updated Dec 31, 2008 20:58
Analysis: The weather favors Hamas
By AMIR MIZROCH

According to the Israel Meteorological Institute there is still a possibility of very light rain in the Center and South on Thursday, and it will get significantly cooler. On Friday it will be fair and slightly warmer, but still cooler than normal for the season. On Saturday, it will be partly cloudy-to-clear with a rise in temperatures and a drop in humidity.

But this is not a weather report - it is a crucial element in the diplomatic and operational calculations of the Israeli leadership for the next few days.

The air campaign in Gaza has all but run its course, and now is the time to switch focus - either to a ground operation or a cease-fire. The hesitation we are seeing, choosing neither option, is reminiscent of the indecision displayed during the Second Lebanon War.

The IDF has not followed up on its initial operation with any comparable, meaningful strike on Hamas. Air force jets are striking buildings they have already hit, for example Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh's office, a sign that the IAF is running out of "high-quality" targets and going after whatever it can. Once in a while it hits a valuable target, like a mosque doubling as a rocket silo.

[PR]

the point is you do nothing but sit in your basement and complain-take a day off and do some good-you dont have to be a self-hating jew everyday-

Moron? LOL-is that the brotherly love you say all jews should have-you hypicrite-but I enjoy seeing your true colors show

[doughnuts as weapens]

Palestinians are escaping Gaza and jumping into the sea the heard that chabad is giving out their leftover chanikah doughnuts for IDF to use as weapons of mass destruction ,and you say the rebbe is dead?

[Alice]

Thanks for posting this, Shmarya. It's so important to spread the word about this.

[ah-pee-chorus]

Heres "Breaking News" you forgot to post:

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/28020/PHOTOS:+Chabad+Joins+Soldiers+on+The+Front+Lines.html

or maybe its too much positive news for you?

Posted by: PR | December 31, 2008 at 01:22 PM

is it supposed to be a positive that while the soldiers are literally going to be risking their lives chabad is giving out some food and promoting tefilin? maybe a few of the actual soldiers can be converted at some point to chabads messianism. how bout next war the lubavs offer to switch places and fight with their lives while others hand them doughnuts , and maybe try to talk the lubavs out of their beliefs.

[JewishCynic]

I have my isues w/ Google but it pays to look at things from the opposite direction.

What if it were palestinians putting black and white videos of suicide bombers entering an Israeli bus or store followed by an explosion?
I would be very disturbed and I'm sure politicians and jewish leaders would express outrage and demand it be removed.

As Dorfman said above, if you want to be sure you can get your message out then there can be no restrictions on any messages.
But YouTube by policy is not an open forum. It is moderated, it's supposed to control disturbing content.

I find it understandable (not saying I personnaly agree) that a moderator decided a video of real people really being killed (even without visible gore) merits restriction.

So I don't see this as proof Google has an anti-Israel bias.

As far as Reform and Israel, it seems to me the heart of Reform's religious observance is liberal Democratic causes and zionism. This now puts Reform in a bind because current liberal thinking is pro palestinian/anti-israel. The palestinians "are the victims of mighty Israel's aggretion".

In theory I didn't think Oslo was bad.
It improved the palestinians standard of living and produced productive interaction with Israel. Given time and proper oversight this might have made palestinians less willing to radicalise.
Problem was the lack of oversight.
The west (including Israel) has no staying power or consistency when it comes to enforcing agreements.
Israel and the US should have taken a tough stand and against Palestinian violations (and clamped down on blatant PLO theft of aid). That that didn't happen can be summed up by Hillary's appearance w/ Suha Arafat (kissing Arafat after she blood libeled Israel).
BTW same thing with the US and Sadam after Gulf War 1. Bush Sr. then Clinton let Saddam get away with more and more till Clinton let Saddam kick out the weapon inspectors. Had we held Saddam's to the agreements Bush Jr would have had no room to claim WMDs.

[PR]

ah-pee-chorus,

Supporting your Soldiers handing out food & drinks and offering tefillin-YEah it is a positive thing. You idiot

[ah-pee-chorus]

PR | December 31, 2008 at 04:51 PM

yes, they can watch others ,whose lives are obviously worth less than theirs prepare to fight, while they missionize and propogandize, before returning to comfort of their government subsidized yeshivas and lives.
if they can be mevatel torah to give out food, wouldnt that time be equally well spent defending israel? am i going too fast for you?

[Gimpel G]

Smar,

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away,you said that there was evidence agINST Rabbbi Eiseman from NIRC. And that soon he would be outed or whatever.

I have not heard any of your evidence come out since then - it's been ovr a year, actually over 2.

Wasssup, man? Can you deliver the goods aw iz deah ain't any?

[frum1]

whatever, this is not so atrocious. It is a war, it is footage of mass destruction and people getting killed, it may not be appropriate for some viewers, despite the righteousness of the cause. And it hasn't been censored all together either. Some 10 year old kid does not need to see live combat footage.

[Shmarya]

Smar,

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away,you said that there was evidence agINST Rabbbi Eiseman from NIRC. And that soon he would be outed or whatever.

I have not heard any of your evidence come out since then - it's been ovr a year, actually over 2.

Wasssup, man? Can you deliver the goods aw iz deah ain't any?

Phil Jacobs did an entire exposé of your dear rabbi molester.

[Shmarya]

whatever, this is not so atrocious. It is a war, it is footage of mass destruction and people getting killed, it may not be appropriate for some viewers, despite the righteousness of the cause. And it hasn't been censored all together either. Some 10 year old kid does not need to see live combat footage.

Google removed the videos and then put them back – but only under intense pressure and only with a warning that is inappropriate.

Footage like that is shown on network news.

It's less graphic than many video games.

[PR]

ah-pee-chorus

There are plenty of chabadnicks who serve-you have no idea what your talking about-Not all chabadnicks are shliachs-some have regular jobs and get called for reserves like everyone else- Before you say something know what your talking about or research it-or am I going to fast for you?

plus Im pretty sure them just handing out the cookies alone is a better contribution than you blogging about youtubes ban?

[Gimpel G]

There was no evidence presented in tha piece.

If nothing new has comeup since then you sould retract.

Otherwise you are a fraud.

Put up or shutup.

[Shmarya]

There was no evidence presented in tha piece.

If nothing new has comeup since then you sould retract.

Otherwise you are a fraud.

Put up or shutup.

Posted by: Gimpel G | December 31, 2008 at 07:43 PM

There was evidence. But you refuse to see it.

Plus that, I've heard from well-connected Ner Israel people, once supportive of Eisemann, one a friend of his, all who say Eisemann has a problem and is getting help for it.

[gimpel G]

I guess that you intend this latest 'Flash' from Shmarya to be considered evidence.

I hope you realize that simply making a claim - which is alll you have done here - and al that Jacobs does - is not evidence/

Please present me with any evidence aside from the paltry unfounded claims made to date against RE.

I really have no problem accepting that he is a molester - if you can prove it. But you know, there are some mean pople out there with bones to pick who will not stop at vicious lies to hurt someone they do not like.

I think that Kolko and Mondrowitz and Leizerowitz and others have been sffincetly proven.

For what I have seen so far - this is not th case with RE.

DO you ever make mistakes?

Can you admit when you have?

[Shmarya]

I hope you realize that simply making a claim - which is alll you have done here - and al that Jacobs does - is not evidence/

I hope you realize that Jacobs did far more than that.

I also hope you realize that your protestations aside, your agenda is transparent.

I guess that you intend this latest 'Flash' from Shmarya to be considered evidence.

Nope. Consider it a warning.

Bye.

[ah-pee-chorus]

can anyone tell me if chabad yeshiva boys enter army at 18 and serve normal time? and what is their official position on army service for their yeshivas?

[Shmarya]

Chabad generally does NOT serve in the army.

Chabadniks who do serve usually are from these groups:

1. Kids that don't learn well or do outreach well and are also from non-insider families.

2. Ba'al teshuvas who entered the army before becoming Chabad.

3. Dati Leumi who became Chabad sometime after first doing army service.

4. 1948 to about 1980: Chabadniks who served in 1948 and then did miluim.

[Archie Bunker]

Shmarya is wrong regarding the Phil Jacobs piece on Eisemann. Even UOJ agreed it was ridiculous, completely lacking of evidence and will not post it on his website.

The only thing working against Eisemann so far are two people coming out against him, Rabbi Blau and Dr. Lipner. Lipner did not even name Eisemann in the recent Jewish Week interview but most people know who he is referring to.

[Shneerhere]

Maybe use liveleak.com instead?
Google, run by two nominal Jews, never miss an opportunity to harm Israel, Jewish causes, or both. Their arrogance and hubris is stunning. Google Earth issues allowing Arabs to target rocket attacks against Israel, the banning of otherwise benign websites that don't match Google's 'politically correct' agenda..... they are like the bad guy in a James Bond movie.....evil, rich, technologically advanced and innovative.... RICH..... did I mention rich?.....They need to be brought down a few notches.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Shneerhere: I'm interested. Where can I read more about Google?

Jewish Cynic: Beautiful analysis. I agree. I'm not anti-peace, but I am anti-suicide.

[ah-pee-chorus]

PR | December 31, 2008 at 07:02 PM
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apparently chabad yeshiva boys do not enter army for regular service. you were trying to imply that they do. so chabad must believe that learning torah is more important than serving in army. so now we can do some lomdus... if giving pastries out to aid those that are about to defend israel with their lives is more important than learning, then kal v'chomer doing the defending itself is docheh learning..
shall i slow down? i can see english is not your strong suit.

[ToTheLeft]

--Am I the only one who thinks it odd that in the headline Shmarya put "porn" in bold italics?--

Given that YouTube does not allow porn - no. I noted this as well.

[ah-pee-chorus]

Shmarya | January 01, 2009 at 03:52 AM

thanks , shmarya... the lack of dissent strengthens the presumed accuracy of your answer.

[WoolSIlkCotton]

Jew Draws Attention as Suspicious in 770, Turns out Drunk

http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=14989

Imagine what it takes to be considered odd and suspicious in 770.
Turns out, he was not wearing a yarmulke, so they considered him to be 'suspicious'. Otherwise, being disheveled, and acting drunk and disoriented would have passed unnoticed.