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November 15, 2008

Save Postville [Pinned Post]

This is an emergency. Postville needs your help. Jews and non-Jews need food. Postville needs money to help indigent workers get home, whether that home is Indianapolis or that home is…

…Palau or anywhere in between.

This is a humanitarian crisis of staggering proportion, and both non-Jews and Jews need our help.

For the medium and long term, we hope to have a fund (outlined here) to help everyone.

In the short term, here is what you can do:

You can donate online below using PayPal. If you want the money to go to St. Bridget's, say so in the instructions. If you want it to go to buying halav yisrael dairy products, etc., say so in the instructions.


–––OR–––

To Pay by Check:

1. If you want to help Postville and do not care who is helped, send your donations to:

St. Bridget's Catholic Church
135 W Williams St
Postville, IA 52162
(563) 864-3138
Mark your donation: "Food and Disaster Relief" 

2. If you want to get kosher food to Postville, especially halav yisrael dairy products and baby formula, email me for donation instructions.

–––OR–––

If you live in the Twin Cities area and want to make a donation of food rather than money:

Please bring non-perishable food with kosher supervision to Beth Jacob Congregation in Mendota Heights Sunday or Monday.

Whatever food is donated will be taken to Postville Tuesday. Halav yisrael dairy products will also go to Postville with that shipment.

Thank you all for your help!

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Postville Song (apologies to Steve Miller)

Crime keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Into the hoosegow
Crime keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Into the hoosegow

I want to fly like an illegal
From the country
Fly like an illegal
Let Immigration carry me
I want to fly like an illegal
Till I'm free
Oh, Lord, through Agri's dissolution

Feed the babies
Who don't have enough to eat
Jewish children
With no chalav to keep from meat
House the Paulauans
Livin' in the street
Oh, oh, make a contribution!

Shmarya is out to lunch if he thinks that most orthodox Jews at large will participate in any effort that he is heading, even as a board member.

Here's a guy who day in day out, does not limit his attacks to Rubashkin, but tries to nuke any orthodox Jew that moves.

If you really care about starving babies, then by all means keep publicizing the relief effort, but step back and let others run it.

I would love to see the video of the welcome that Scott would get when he arrives in Postville trying to fit the bill of Santa Claus.

Yochanan:

Thank you for your fund-raising parody. I think it just might do the trick!

Even though I am saddened by what has happened here, you make me smile.

How would this help conceal the fraud?

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2008/11/15/business/local/10765583.txt

"Sholom Rubashkin instructed the interviewee to make sure that all the checks were for odd (seemingly random) dollar amounts, and that the combination of checks did not add up to a whole dollar amount," the documents say.

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2008/11/15/news/local/10766997.txt

So Jeff Abbas is convinced that Rubashkin will not pay the workers on Tues or any time soon.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2026786/

Menachem said he has defaulted on his loans to two local banks and is operating strictly by their grace.

Ryan Stensland, Alliant Energy spokesman, confirmed that Menachem requested the utilities be shut off at a dozen or so rental properties Wednesday. That request to disconnect was treated as a separate matter from Alliant's agreement to not shut off utilities to those who needed them because the request came from the property owner, Stensland said.

"We weren't told there were people still living there," he said. "When we received word that at least one person was still living in one of the properties, we turned it back on today (Friday). It turned out the property owner didn't want to continue making utility payments."

The Palauan ambassador to the United States, Hersey Kyota, flew in from Washington, D.C., to see the situation for himself and to provide comfort to the Palauans.

"This is terrible. Both the company and the recruiters lied to them and broke theirpromises," the ambassador said.

Kyota said many of the Palauans had not paid rent because they had been told that rent and utilities would be free for their first three months on the job.

Kyota said his mission has a small budget and would not be able to financially assist the Palauans.

"I truly appreciate the help they are getting from the residents of this town, who are opening their hearts and homes," he said.

Kyota said the Palauans were doing fine when he last visited Postville in September. Conditions worsened, he said, after Rubashkin's initial arrest and further financial difficulties for the company.

The missed payday and the dislocation of the Palauan workers represent a continuation of a humanitarian crisis that began with the May 12immigration raid, said Mark Grey, an anthropology professor at the University of Northern Iowa and the director of the Iowa Center for Immigrant Leadership and Integration.

"It will be a long time before this community regains a sense of normalcy," Grey said. Although workers were told at the plant that they would be paid Monday, many doubted that will happen.

"That's it. I've had it," said Darris McDowell, of Cincinnati, who had worked in the beef kill until it shut down about two weeks ago.

"The company dropped us like used tissue paper," said his friend and co-worker, Timothy Frye, of Detroit.

Abbas is collecting donations to help meet the Palauans' food, shelter and transportation needs. Potential donors can call him at (563)864-7945.

This article also says a bunch of Somoans are working for Agri. I never heard that one before.

http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081114/NEWS/711149919/1006

The Tri-County Chapter of the American Red Cross and other volunteers had asked for donations of sandwiches, drinks and bedding to be delivered to Jewel's, on Highway 52 south of town. However, they no longer are needed because enough people responded already, volunteers helping the re-located workers said tonight.

People who may be uncertain as to whether or not there is truly a need for help may better understand through my witness as a person who was present when a man humbled himself by asking for assistance. He had tears in his eyes the instant his eyes met mine. He knew me. He had been my neighbor for two years. It was not easy for him to come and ask for help. I know this for certain. The Jewish families ARE likely to suffer the longest before they ask for help. I also know this for certain. To be quite frank, and please forgive me and please do not flame me; they are being forced to beg for help from Gentiles.

[This article also says a bunch of Somoans are working for Agri. I never heard that one before.]

All the people, brought here from Somolia, left one week ago. I pray they are the people of whom you are referring to.

Not Somalis from Somalia - Somoans from American Somoa (islands in the Pacific).

u block me but i am to report monday to work and payroll will also be handed out

thanks for the post i have had 23 employees call me about the state of the union i am sticking it out i have gave several ees money for gas this is my and my peoples way of life i have had other job offers and many companies want us but us hold outs like it here the jewish community is just like any community we all worship g-d i have talked to many ee's and placed them with jobs toooooo close to holidays for most i am here to help

Shmarya,
Thank you for spending your time on these efforts.

Jerome

Archie,
Most checks be it for payroll or invoices are not nice round even numbers.

A pattern of even round numbered checks sticks out like a sore thumb to a forensic auditor.
How would this help conceal the fraud?

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2008/11/15/business/local/10765583.txt

"Sholom Rubashkin instructed the interviewee to make sure that all the checks were for odd (seemingly random) dollar amounts, and that the combination of checks did not add up to a whole dollar amount," the documents say.

Posted by: Archie Bunker | November 16, 2008 at 12:12 AM

You should be ashamed to call yourself a Jew. Not only did you help CAUSE this catastrophe, you didnt care about the little people, only to get revenge on successful Lubavitchers. Well, you got your revenge and now people are suffering. I hope your happy with yourself.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/DePaul-Center-Public-Interest-Law/story.aspx?guid=%7B97323C5A-4FAF-41D2-A403-C554FC2ADEEA%7D

Can one assume that Rev. Oudekirk is now going to rake it in financially for all these big city speaking engagements about Rubashkin?

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2008/11/16/news/local/10765369.txt

POSTVILLE --- As Agriprocessors and the town of Postville stand on the edge of a financial cliff, hope has emerged that the plant will soon find rescue via outside investors, a well-placed employee at the company said this weekend.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, he said a group of investors toured the plant shortly before the company filed for bankruptcy on Nov. 4, and another group is scheduled to arrive this week.

There is optimism that a deal can be reached within the next month, he said.

The news, which has spread through Postville's Jewish community, gives hope to people struggling to pay the mortgage and feed large families. They are teachers, rabbis and small businessmen and employees at the plant itself, all of whom depend on Agriprocessors for income.

"They're hoping something comes in and there's a new beginning on the horizon," he said. "There's a potential for renewal in a very big way because the company gets bought up by a corporate company, and with corporate you have a cash flow we haven't seen before."

Despite Agriprocessors' multitude of legal problems, its sophisticated kosher meat operation, built up over the company's 20-year existence, remains attractive because its product commands a premium on the market, which results in higher profit margins than non-kosher meat.

Companies from Costco and Sam's Club have approached the company as recently as a month ago because their product has proved popular, he said.

But with production at a near standstill, those relationships have been put on hold, he said.

Agriprocessors owes the city of Postville $100,000 in utilities and other payments, a debt that rises every month.

The kosher plant pays the city $334,000 every year for a waste water facility it uses. The city operates a $2.5 million annual budget.

"Right now we're not having any financial distress. Will it probably be coming? Probably so. We hear there's not a lot of people left there, but it's too early to tell," said Darcy Radloff, the city clerk.

Most of those who relied on Agriprocessors for a living, including a few Jewish families, have decided to leave town.

++Not only did you help CAUSE this catastrophe,++

Don't you think you're giving him JUST a bit more credit than he's due, here?

How exactly does reporting the news rise to the level of cause/effect?

Surely Shmarya can figure out a way how modern orthodox people are behind landlords in Waterloo, Iowa, refusing to rent housing to Blacks.

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2008/11/16/news/local/10762767.txt

Testing reveals racial steering in rental market

To the blind fool Cee,
Because this blog revealed the truth about Agriprocessors, you conclude that Shmarya brought this calamity upon the people of Postville?

The blame lies ONLY with Agriprocessors and the Rubashkins. If they would have abided by the laws of Torah and of man then this calamity would never have happened. If they would have treated others as humanity (instead of "those goy'im who have no souls") to be respected and dealt with according to the laws of Torah and the USA, there would have never been the immigration raid. Your attitude Mr. or Ms. Cee is the same as the Jews of Europe in the '20's and 30's. I pray that God has mercy and does not bring another holocaust upon the Jews of today.

In short... CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE "CEE"! Demand accountability from Jews. Demand that they abide by Torah's perfect law. If you see wrong being done by Jews, question it and demand that Jews do not behave as hypocrites. Be honest in every dealing that you have with non-Jews, even in the smallest detail. Show that you respect and honor non-Jews as fellow creations of God. Be what Jews always claim that they are (but sadly are not) "a light to the nations."

++Shmarya is out to lunch if he thinks that most orthodox Jews at large will participate in any effort that he is heading, even as a board member.++

S0......

You're of the opinion that most Orthodox Jews will let "B" starve because "A" is trying to help them?

It appears that I hold Orthodox Jews in higher esteem than you do - because I do not for a minute believe this to be true.

Should YOU wish to use this as an excuse to not unscrew your wallet - that is your right, but I suggest that you don't speak for Orthodox Jews "at large".

++Demand accountability from Jews.++

Can we use a brush that isn't QUITE so broad, please?

To answer the Nudnik known as Rebitz"man",

There are several reasons that haven't dawned on him why people would not get involved if Shmarya is running the show, namely that they don't trust Shmarya whatsoever and will try to find other ways.

The people who Jerome spoke to in Utah obviously don't know who he is and what he stands for.

And what about Shmarya's "transparency" while he complains that orthodox Jews don't have it? Is Shmarya going to have an independent audit by Deloitte & Touche? (Touche is afterall one of Rebitz"man"'s favorite words)

http://www.cityofpostville.com/uploads/Minutes_58424410.pdf

Non-spokesman spokesman Getzel has been speaking on Agri's behalf at Postville City Council "as a citizen."

http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081116/NEWS/711169931/1006

Most of the Palauans moved in temporarily with friends in Postville. However, 17 of them made the move to Decorah roller-skating rink Jewel's Skate Country. They spent Friday night there, and were served breakfast Saturday morning by the Tri-County Chapter of the American Red Cross.

The Rev. Mike Blevins of Burr Oak Methodist Church said the donation of the use of the roller skating rink was appreciated, but, "It is an emergency solution at best." So on Saturday, the Decorah Covenant Church invited the Palauans to move into a building the church is remodeling.

A meeting Saturday morning of the Decorah Faith Coalition, which is comprised of all Decorah churches, found more help for the Palauans.

The Christian Life Center agreed to buy groceries for the group for Saturday night. The Congregational United Church of Christ agreed to invite the group to its soup luncheon today. Other churches lined up to feed the Palauans and to help them with transportation.

Both groups recognize they are working on temporary solutions, but the Palauans, some of whom had not eaten and spent time in cold apartments, say they appreciate the assistance.

By late Saturday afternoon, some of the Palauans who had stayed in Decorah on Friday night had returned to Postville to get their belongings to bring back to the Decorah church. Other Palauans who had stayed in Postville on Friday night were packing their belongings, while others decided to stay in Postville.

http://www.shturem.org/pTb/phpThumb.php?src=%2Fimages%2Fnews%2F30883_news_31102008_88178.jpg&w=800&hash=2a06ca7a6f771f7a9f9dd4be1656fe42

Meshulam Weiss, father of alleged pedophile Yaakov Weiss, celebrating at Sholom Rubashkin's party.

Why is it and what could be the cause of an orthodox jew being ready, willing and able to assist, monetarily or otherwise, any group of people, of any race or ethnicity, before willing to do so for his own fellow orthodox jews. Which part of halacha supports such behavior and indecency?

Archie is right on.

++To answer the Nudnik known as Rebitz"man",++

Keep digging. You continue to make my point on this issue for me better than I could ever dream of doing.

CPN: Glad you enjoyed my parody. Like many posters here, I have never been to Iowa, or frankly given the state much thought (apart from the fact that Radar O'Reilly of MASH hails from Ottumwah). But through the Rubbishcan debacle, not a day goes by when I don't think about Postville and the good people screwed by my fellow religionists. So I feel vicariously part of the community, as I'm sure many others do, too.

Hopefully your town, and the Kashrut industry, will rise above this mess and get back on its feet with more humane employers.

Cee is right; it's all Shmarya's fault. He lied to illegals to come to Agri, provided them with false papers, made them work w/o adequate pay in dangerous conditions. Then, he bought investment property and charged exhorbitant rents. But that was not enough for Shmarya! He contaminated the meat with e. coli, forced schochtim to use inhumane and halachically questionable methods, intimidated non-Agri suppliers, and hired 5WPR to smear him (so as to deflect attention from the Mastermind). Shmarya then ratted out the underaged and illegal employees, and used his vast influence with the justice system to secure a conviction for the innocent, duped Rubbishclan. Now, he is using his clout with the utilities to cut power in the dead of the freezing Iowa winter. My advice, Cee, don't fuck with him. You'll regret it!

"better than I could ever dream of doing"

You said it. Dream on, because your words have no substance.

'Archie is right on.'
Posted by: Sam | November 16, 2008 at 09:38 AM

In your specific assertion, nonsense! All are equal.

I don't even understand what Sam is saying.

'CPN:...' Well put, Yochanan Lavie!

Thanks, JAG.

Yochanan, you are not only funny, but smart and I am think a touch sarcastic!!!

Keep up the good work!!!

Thanks, Nachos.

Shmarya, here is an idea for you. Why don't you take a short break from blogging, get a real job and donate your income to help the people of Postville.

Anon, you sound like a Rubashkin... eyes wide shut, lacking in what would be construed as any represent of a human soul.

Representation NOT represent. My bad.

If the Rubashkins would start behaving and the Orthodox Jewish community would start standing up for honesty and integrity then Shmarya would happily close his blog because there would be nothing for him to write about!!!

You sound like the guy who murdered his parents and asked the judge for mercy because he is an orphan.

You ran them out of business even though they were the source of income to hundreds of families.

Now Mr. Bigshot, go build a business in which to employ them.

Oh, I forgot, you are the Great Failed One on a Higher Mission.

Tearing down others’ accomplishments is easy. Building takes skill, dedication, maturity and a basketful of other positive traits you don't possess.

The irony is so sweet. Were these poor people who lost their jobs to your blood-lust were Haraidim you'd be frothing at the mouth at anyone asking for donations to help feed and clothe their children.

As little use I might have for Haraidim, I have not one millionth as much use for such gross hypocrisy.

If the Rubashkins would start behaving and the Orthodox Jewish community would start standing up for honesty and integrity then Shmarya would happily close his blog because there would be nothing for him to write about!!!

Posted by: nachos | November 16, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Utter nonsense. The Great Failed One would rather drown in a river of his own spewed bile than shut down this blog. He doesn't want to see orthodox corruption end. He wants to see orthodoxy end.

This blog is the cyber equivalent of an overgrown child's temper tantrum.

I find truly scary the thought that orthodox people reading this endless stream of rotting entrails might believe that the rest of us share the anger resulting from unresolved edipal stage issues in the GFO's childhood.

How dare you???!!! Where do you get the unmitigated nerve to suggest that The Great Failed One stop his non-productive life's Higher Mission of attacking the non-productive lives of Haraidim?

Unortho is right; it's all Shmarya's fault. He lied to illegals to come to Agri, provided them with false papers, made them work w/o adequate pay in dangerous conditions. Then, he bought investment property and charged exhorbitant rents. But that was not enough for Shmarya! He contaminated the meat with e. coli, forced schochtim to use inhumane and halachically questionable methods, intimidated non-Agri suppliers, and hired 5WPR to smear him (so as to deflect attention from the Mastermind). Shmarya then ratted out the underaged and illegal employees, and used his vast influence with the justice system to secure a conviction for the innocent, duped Rubbishclan. Now, he is using his clout with the utilities to cut power in the dead of the freezing Iowa winter.

All of this just so he'd have something to blog about. Of course, the gov't would never have closed the exemplary Rubbishcan operation if it were not for Failed Messiah.

Wow. Not only do you write funny parodies you also are good at twisting words.

Of course, if there wasn't the Rubbishclan, there'd be nothing for Shmarya to do. There is no child molestation, financial chicanery, persecution of sincere converts, violence in enforcing "modesty," or other forms of hypocrisy in the "frum" community. But since he's reporting those things, they must be his fault, too. Just like Hearst provoking the Spanish-American war!

I may be good at twisting words, but not as good as you at twisting logic.

You mean that pointing out that tearing down othes is easier than actually building anything yourself is twisted logic?

My company has just cut a check to the church in the amount of $5,000.00 to be used to help the people in Postville. I am a REAL Jew; I always help people in need. After reading Archie Bunker's comments, you should be ashamed of yourself. It is people like you that are a drain on society. If you would care to inform me of your real name that would be a first step to be a real man.

I hate hypocrisy, whether it be from the Haraidi or the GFO. He'd be foamin at he mouth at anyone raising funds for unemployed, undocumented Haraidim.

You wasted $5,000.00

Being a REAL Jew ain't that difficult.

Ask the GFO.

All one needs to do is create a blog that whines and moans about the (alleged) crimes of some members of another Jewish group and make it sound like the whole group, men, women, infants and seniors all approve and participate.

Best part is, once the blog is up and running you'll have a crowd of malcontents cheering you on without ever asking why you don't have a job or a life.

++You wasted $5,000.00++

Yeah - he threw it away helping people.

What a waste.

Rebitzman:
I think what UOU is trying to say is that we should become a socialist country and the government should be taking care of these people so we don't have to clean up after ourselves.


I'll give you your,"second million".
and u can take that to the bank!

Shmarya,

What is your cut from the donations?

++You wasted $5,000.00++

Yeah - he threw it away helping people.

What a waste.

Posted by: rebitzman | November 16, 2008 at 02:23 PM

He wrote that giving the $5,000 qualified him as a REAL Jew. My response was that he didn't need to give the $5,000 to qualify as a REAL Jew, meaning that if his point in giving the $5,000 was to be considered a REAL Jew he wasted $5,000.

If he did it to make himself feel good - I hope it worked.

Rebitzman:
I think what UOU is trying to say is that we should become a socialist country and the government should be taking care of these people so we don't have to clean up after ourselves.

Posted by: state of disgust | November 16, 2008 at 02:58 PM

Don't think so much. And don't knock Socialism. Under a true Socialist system the undocumented workers would not be so deperate for work.

And he GFO woldn't need to beg for alms to support his refusal to seek gainful employment.

Re:
I'll give you your,"second million".
and u can take that to the bank!

Posted by: cr | November 16, 2008 at 05:17 PM

Shmarya,

RE:What is your cut from the donations?

Posted by: Sam | November 16, 2008 at 06:07 PM

once u get to one mil einstein , lemme know so ill have the 2nd ready for ya!
right now its in safekeeping
so my cut will be 0%
and 0& of 0 is still 0

wat u really should be doing is havin a stop rabbi child abuse demo on shabbas and at the same as the khwy bruhahah that the heeb exploitin rabbis have yearly and shout shabbas to jewish
biznesses who should not even and have no way of knowing better.
wat about a demo otuside the home of one of these fat cat feudal baron rabbis with a dozen kids who get preferential treatment, the best grades even if they do nothing and for whom the students of poor parents have to write papers and 'lines' for or sit in the hall or be the whipping boy for and
and a national night out against rabbi abuse, and a petition that signed by still religous jews who will eat non kosher and break shabbat untill all the poor jewish vics of the established jews,
are given heat and light
(something even jewish criminals in
jail get as wel as kosher food and free use of a gym, sauna, all the
vaseline u can possibly want, hot showers
(dont drop the soap)jacuzzi, and tennis courts
its is better to be a jew in jail than a jewish employee in free middle america
and y cant those postville jews get to take home a cow per family
and rabbi yaakov weiss can stick to cows and all those chabad rabbis can participate in the "adopt a cow" program and
and take em to Netherlands on a plane where zoophilia is legal..
burn your shaitel , kippah, tzitzis and bra
code of jewish law to keep warm or as a last act of defiance so the rabbis will c they will ahve no constituents unless they stop tryin to capitolize on the torah
its not for nothin that Rabbi Akiva sed if he saw a rabbi he would bite them as donkey

Archie,
I disagree with your comment, "Shmarya is out to lunch if he thinks that most orthodox Jews at large will participate in any effort that he is heading, even as a board member." I do agree with "The people who Jerome spoke to in Utah obviously don't know who he is and what he stands for."

Let's face it, most Jews don't read Jewish blogs on the Internet, failedmessiah or otherwise. Most Jews have never heard the name "Scott Shmarya Rosenberg". Much of Shmarya's readership is from Chabad rabbis and people in Iowa, and he has a big fan following in the orthodox community. However, Shmarya's positions are not relevant to the charity contributions.

One issue in this economy is that it is difficult for people to contribute. The following is my honest assessment: Many in the Chabad community want to help, but would likely contribute to a Chabad-
affiliated charity (given their comfort level with contributing to Chabad charities). Many in the Litvak or modern
orthodox communities may contribute to Shmarya's fund. The practical issue is that they will contribute to a charity that they believe is established and credible. They don't know Shmarya, good or bad. Otherwise, they will rely on my word that it is credible. It is human nature to contribute to a charity that you have contributed to in the past (e.g., Jewish Federation, etc.) I also spoke to several people that affiliate with the conservative movement. They will not contribute to any charity that is in any way affiliated with the Rubashkin Defense
Fund. They feel very uncomfortable directly contributing to the Catholic
church, but want to help both Jews and non-Jews. They will likely wait until
Shmarya's fund that contributes to Jews and non-Jews is established.

Jerome

Shmarya,

What is your cut from the donations?

Posted by: Sam | November 16, 2008 at 06:07 PM

Hope he gets paid based on pledges and not actual donations.

cr - If I recall correctly Rabbi Aqiva made that observation about his attitude towards rabbis when he was an unlearned boor.

Shmarya,

What is your cut from the donations?

Zero.

He asked about your cut of the contributions, not your about your contributions.

And that was the question I answered.

I am glad to read that people will be bringing in food from Minneapolis and elsewhere to Postville. Especially some of the Kosher food that may not be available at Moore's IGA if the Jewish store is not open now or has a limited items left. But Please, also think of ways one can donate that also help the local merchants in Postville who have had such a loss in income since May. Three grocery stores there are Moore's IGA (124 West Tilden Street), Rinconcito Guatemalteco (111 East Greene Street- this was a restaurant also selling groceries which was converted to a grocery store), and Sabor Latino (142 South Lawler Street) - If one had bank cashier's checks for amounts like $80, $100, ?$150.00 made out to those grocery stores and mailed it to Saint Bridget's church (P.O. Box 369, Postville 52162) would think that could easily be given out by busy staff, volunteers to individual families. I have done it, hopefully it worked well for their staff. Another local grocery, Tonita's Express, was moved from Postville to Waterloo recently by Cesar Jochola, who is driving from Postville to Waterloo every day to run that store. Moore's IGA must stock a lot of kosher foods, bank cashier's checks made out to them might be sent to the Congregation Ahavat Israel Synagoge in Postville or other address they might prefer for doners not comfortable mailing something to a Catholic church. I don't know the name of the kosher grocery. -Is it possible to get gas cards for either of the 2 stations in Postville? Possibly some resident of the Postville area can correct any mistake in this or have other suggestions for donating in ways that will also help the local business people.

Jerome,

Perhaps most people within a 2 hours drive of NYC that I speak to have an idea who Shmarya is, among modern orthodox & yeshiva circles. Most of them are too disgusted with his non-stop anti-orthodox venom to read his screeds, let alone participate in any effort that he is leading. Many of these people will try to discourage anyone from giving Shmarya any credence by so much as reading what he writes. This is not the head-in-the-sand crowd as they respect figures like UOJ to try to stop corruption within orthodoxy but not orthodoxy itself.

I didn't want to raise out loud the point that Sam did, but I and others could see Shmarya rationalizing that he is entitled to a cut of the proceeds to cover his time and expenses. That is actually legal even if you keep up to 90% or 95% of what you bring in. I don't know Shmarya well enough to what he would do but he hasn't exactly garnered a lot of trust among religious Jews.

++What is your cut from the donations?

Zero.++

Perhaps you ought to disclose the accounting documents, if there are any. What makes you more honest than the Rubashkin's? After all, you're both orthodox jews (at least you say you are).

Perhaps you ought to disclose the accounting documents, if there are any.

As linked in the post:Ideally, the fund would publish on the Internet a weekly accounting of funds raised and disbursed, and do the same with a more detailed report every three months.So far (which is about 28 hours) St. Bridget's has been promised by readers well in excess of $5,000.00

I am waiting for a $1000 check from a reader who will be sending it this week.

$436.00 has so far been donated online. Of that, $378.80 is for general Postville relief (St. Bridget's); $57.20 is for specifically kosher food. (This is gross. PayPal and credit card fees have not yet been subtracted.)


I should add there are no disbursements yet, largely because we can't buy bulk food until Monday.

Because PayPal takes a few days to get into our checking account, and while we're waiting for the checks to come in, we'll front the money immediately necessary and be reimbursed from the PayPal deposits and checks as they arrive.

There was a protest today of about a hundred people in front of Rubashkin's butcher shop in Brooklyn. I provide a rundown of the issue and the protest here: http://blogs.journalism.cuny.edu/interactivefundamentals/2008/11/16/everyone-is-welcome/

I welcome your input.

Sam - Don't start worrying about where the money is going just yet. Pledges are a dime a dozen.

HEY!!!! All of you assholes have got so much to say.... Blah... Blahh... Blahhhhh!!!

With the exception of Shmarya who actually had the chutzpah to take on these asshole Rubashkin mamzer sumbags, your yelping and posturing is nothing but a bunch of armchair quarterback bullshit. All of you, please... GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!!!!

You ALL shout from the your computer keyboards and vomit your self righteouness at the same time the majority of you are masturbating to kiddie porn on the internet.

I think I am going to vomit!!!

Rabbi Bunker,
Thank you for your response. In between business trips (I actually get to go to Disneyworld in Florida for a software conference), I get to visit friends and family in New York over Thanksgiving. Although some of my friends are from modern orthodox, yeshivish and Chabad in the New York/New Jersey area (and other friends are from everything under the sun), I am originally from a conservative Jewish background in Long Island, New York. The people I do know in those circles (that have actually heard of Shmarya - actually a small percentage) share a similar opinion to mine that Shmarya does many good things, but many times goes way too far on the negativity - beyond constructive criticism.

From talking to people here and other parts of the country, there is the realization that one size does not fit all with regards to charity (an issue that Shmarya and I disagree). If Shmarya can focus his energy and continue to do concrete things to help the people in Postville, I say more power to him. Honestly, my preference would have been for him to piggy-back off an existing charity for the long-term (he is doing that in a sense for the short-term). However, the bottom line is as long as it gets done, I don't care how. I would see nothing more positive than several modern orthodox, Charedi and Chabad stepping up and doing similar efforts in the future, after seeing Shmarya's success in doing this. At a minimum, I know many people from the conservative Jewish community here (even though I attend Chabad of Utah at this point) that are excited about what he is doing. The information that Shmarya has posted so far is accurate, as I have looked at the PayPal and Amazon submission process to this charity. As I contributed a very small amount, I will insist on complete transparency of their records, as will others that have contributed. The bottom line for me is that I am happy that Shmarya has stopped procrastinating (or maybe listening too much to naysayers) and is doing some very good concrete things for people badly in need of Tzedakah in a timely fashion. For this, he has my greatest respect. Hopefully, he will hopefully do more things like this in the future.

UOU, it is more difficult to create than destroy. While you criticize Shmarya for trying to do something positive with respect to charity, he is doing something concrete NOW! What are you doing!? It is ludicrous to think that Shmarya brought down Agriprocessors. Their most senior management, exercising their free will, created the possibility of their downfall and ultimately Hashem is responsible for what has happened.

Best wishes,

Jerome Soller

Perhaps most people within a 2 hours drive of NYC that I speak to have an idea who Shmarya is, among modern orthodox & yeshiva circles.

Most people don't know.

Most people don't care.

But what puzzles me is the amount of time
you Mr. Bunker spend on this site.

It's hours every day.

Don't you have a life?

You spend hours researching every time a Rubashkin takes a dump.

You dig up shmutz on them non-stop.

Now you turn around and blame Shmarya.

WTF is wrong with you?

You mean that pointing out that tearing down othes is easier than actually building anything yourself is twisted logic?

Posted by: Un-Orthodox and Unimpressed | November 16, 2008 at 01:24 PM

No, but blaming Shmarya for reporting on bad conditions is. The consequences are not his fault; the perps are responsible for the consequences of their actions.

Building something? Like a charity to help Jews and non-Jews in P'ville? Shmarya did that. If he didn't, he'd be blamed for NOT doing something by the same people who blame him for doing something.
That's twisted logic.

Tearing people down? Like insulting Shmarya and every poster who defends him w/o offering solutions yourself? You accuse Shmarya and myself of the same sin you commit. You bring nothing new to the table except how unimpressed you are. We get it. Time to sing a new tune. Maybe not twisted logic- just boring.

Rebitzman:

You object to the statement:

++Demand accountability from Jews.++

And ask instead: Can we use a brush that isn't QUITE so broad, please?

I'd prefer an even broader brush: Demand accountability from EVERYONE.

There's no use in playing make-believe, or encouraging it. If Shmarya's work proves anything, it's the danger of persisting in make-believe when it covers up illegal, irresponsible, and immoral actions.

Can we petition the OU to help out as well?

That's being done.

I don't know if you've seen this, but the government has asked the bankruptcy court to appoint a trustee or to convert the case from Chapter 7 to Chapter 11. The thrust of the motion is that in light of the criminal allegations against the company and management, and the close relationship between the new CEO and the Rubashkins, Agriprocessors can't be trusted to act as debtor-in-possession.

HEY!!!! All of you assholes have got so much to say.... Blah... Blahh... Blahhhhh!!!

With the exception of Shmarya who actually had the chutzpah to take on these asshole Rubashkin mamzer sumbags, your yelping and posturing is nothing but a bunch of armchair quarterback bullshit. All of you, please... GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!!!!

You ALL shout from the your computer keyboards and vomit your self righteouness at the same time the majority of you are masturbating to kiddie porn on the internet.

I think I am going to vomit!!!

Posted by: Shimon | November 17, 2008 at 01:27 AM

You just did.

It would be very nice if the OU contributed something.

But it would be just as nice if the OU made a public statement that its lack of oversite/enforcement has led to this horrible situation.

UOU, it is more difficult to create than destroy. While you criticize Shmarya for trying to do something positive with respect to charity, he is doing something concrete NOW! What are you doing!? It is ludicrous to think that Shmarya brought down Agriprocessors. Their most senior management, exercising their free will, created the possibility of their downfall and ultimately Hashem is responsible for what has happened.

Best wishes,

Jerome Soller

Posted by: Jerome Soller | November 17, 2008 at 01:28 AM

God???!!!! You guys are just as bad if not worse than the Haraidim who hide behind God.

Exactly which God do you think you are pinning this on? TGFO has appointed and annointed himself as the final word on which rabbis are good and which are bad. The only litmus test is whether or not they live up to TGFO's self-serving standards. Anyone who disagrees with TGFO is Satan himself! As Rabbi Heschel Ob'm taught, a man who worships God only as he understands Him worships himself and his own intelect (or, in the case of TGFO, lack thereof).

I don't know if you've seen this, but the government has asked the bankruptcy court to appoint a trustee or to convert the case from Chapter 7 to Chapter 11. The thrust of the motion is that in light of the criminal allegations against the company and management, and the close relationship between the new CEO and the Rubashkins, Agriprocessors can't be trusted to act as debtor-in-possession.

I have not seen it! Do you have a link?

Do you mean Chapter 11 to Chapter 7 or the way you wrote it?

TGFO

Thank G-d February is Over or Thank G-d For Olives?

The Great Failed One

Steve: Maybe it's roshei teivot for "Then Go Fuck Off!"

Anyone think Bunker should go off to another site and stop insulting the site owner after piling on his crap here?

it would be chapter 11 to 7. with all the alleged (being fair) charges and the past lack of credible change at agri; this makes sense. I worked for a company that went through a bannkruptcy chapter 11. It was a hard time. we did not have criminal and government issues and it still took months to get a new owner and years to get the estate resolved. If these guys can not even pay current employee wages then it is in courts interest to take control and appoint an overseer.

There are rumors of new investors, under Chapter 7 they would deal with the judge and not the Rubashkins.
Perhaps the new brand can be AARONS BUST!

I sent money to help and everyone here should too. this is a tragedy and at times a commedy of the Goniffs went Glatt. All said folks are hurting in Allamakee land.

Steve: Maybe it's roshei teivot for "Then Go Fuck Off!"

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | November 17, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Come on, Yo. You are creative enough that you don't need to get into the gutter to make a point.

Leave the out-of-controlblind hatred and blinding anger gig to TGFO.

He doesn't do parody and you shold respect his 'turf' in return.

I have a feeling Bush may pardon Sholom and Moshe Rubashkin. I have no problem with that as long as they work for another company and stay out of the meat business altogether.

UOU: It was a bad attempt at humor.

Steve,

I'll let Bush know you OK'd it.

There is an emergency hearing going on right now in New York Bankruptcy court.
The whole thing will be over soon.

Think about this one:
Our silly government shuts down a thriving business which employed X amount of people. In turn, those people will now ask for government help....
We all know that these arrogant government officials do not care about the outcome etc. The main thing is that they make headlines.

How sad.

Anyone think Bunker should go off to another site and stop insulting the site owner after piling on his crap here?
Posted by: Anonymous | November 17, 2008 at 10:13 AM


I, for one, am beginning to hear a change of tone, cadence and ideology, at times, from an evolving man. Yes, he does manage to say things, at times, that are quite acrid and hurtful to many of us. Yet, on many occasions, he shows deep compassion while contributing countless amounts of truly enlightening articles... research that is quite helpful to one and all. Don't be so quick to right Archie off...

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