Postville's Shame: Man Who Reports Threats Against Jews Attacked

And, I'm sorry to say, this is also Chabad's…

… shame, as well.

I worked for many years in the Jewish community on a national level. I have some experience evaluating and dealing with threats against Jewish targets.

No one has any way to know with certainty whether the threats reported this morning will be acted on, on whether these crimes will be committed.

But I can say with certainty the report itself is credible.

The proper way to react to this type of report is to take every precaution possible.

Unfortunately, the Jewish community of Postville is doing the opposite. They are attacking a man, Jeff Abbas, who as soon as he heard threats, recorded the information and then called Jewish community leaders to warn them.

He did not broadcast the interview, even though he could have, because he did not want to cause panic.

I know the State of Iowa is taking the reported threats very seriously – even if Jewish community leaders like Aaron Goldsmith are not.

Abbas has played a major role in diffusing tensions. He has fed hundreds of people. He played a major role in getting the Jewish community emergency kosher food supplies.

But Abbas has also reported the very real problems of Agriprocessors, and Goldsmith – a Rubashkin crony – and other Jewish community leaders resent him for that.

So they attack Abbas for doing something that may have saved their lives.

It's a company town, and no good deed – even hundreds of them – goes unpunished.

Threat aired against Jewish community in Postville
By Orlan Love

POSTVILLE — Police here are taking seriously an indirect threat against the Jewish community broadcast and posted Thursday on failedmessiah.com, a Web site covering Orthodox Judaism that is focused intently on recent problems at struggling kosher meatpack Agriprocessors.

A disgruntled former Agriprocessors worker, who is not identified by name, told KPVL station manager Jeff Abbas he has heard other disgruntled Agricprocessors workers discussing robbing Postville businesses if "they don't get the money they work for."

The anonymous worker says he has also heard discussion of kidnapping children of Sholom Rubashkin, the former CEO of the troubled kosher meatpacking plant. "Who they really want is the man running Agriprocessors," who is believed to have money inside his Postville home, the man said.

Abbas said he did not broadcast the interview on his radio station but sent it to failedmessiah.com and played it for local law enforcement agencies.

The failedmessiah.com Web site advised Postville's Jewish schools to evacuate immediately and urged members of the Rubashkin family to take precautions.

"This is like yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater. It goes way beyond free speech," said Aaron Goldsmith, a former Postville City Council member and a leader of Postville's Jewish community. "It's absolutely irresponsible. They're taking some guy's venting and turning it into widespread public panic."

Officer Mitch Seitz said the Postville Police Department is taking the threats seriously and has stepped up patrols in response.

Seitz said Jewish schools are operating normally, and there is no credible evidence anyone is in danger.

Asked his opinion of the KPVL broadcast, Seitz said, "We can't tell radio stations what to say or what not to say."

Seitz said police know the identity of the unnamed man on the broadcast but have no intention to interview him, "because he has committed no crime."

Father Lloyd Ouderkirk, a retired pastor at St. Bridget's Catholic Church in Postville, praised Abbas for going public with the interview.

"It's real; it's reflecting a reality of human pain and trauma caused by continual mistreatment of workers at the Agriprocessors plant," Ouderkirk said.

The Agriprocessors plant, which managers said might resume production today, did not, and employees at the now-shuttered plant were not paid, as they had hoped.

Audio.

Comments

[Alvin]

Such threats ought to be reported to the police, not the media or blogs. Advising people to evacuate is denying that we live in a law abiding community, and is akin to shouting fire in a crowede theater. Contacting the law enforcement authorities is the proper thing to do. READ IT CAREFULLY, LAW ENFORCEMENT. These are the people who enforce the laws and protect and serve the community members, the Jews too.

[Alvin]

The identity of the person making the threats should be made known to everyone so they can call the police if they see him lurking around. The identity of this person who is calling for people to violate the law should be called in for questioning by the law enforcement members and they can assess if the threat is credible. There is no reason to hide his identity, he has made a threat and needs to pay the price for that.

[Shmarya]

Such threats ought to be reported to the police, not the media or blogs.

They were. And the Jewish community was notified, as well.

[Jeff Abbas]

Alvin - This man was not making the threats - he was warning us on his way out of town.

[Alvin]

How does one go about reporting to the Jewish community? Who was told and when? Were they told by the authorities to evacuate? No, they weren't. It was you, I accuse you of trying to foment and create more hostility and angst. The civic duty and moral thing was done when the authorities got the information. Were the law enforcement members told the identity of the person making the threats?

[Alvin]

Has this man been taking in for questioning so they law enforcment officials can find out who made the threats that this guy reported?

[Shmarya]

How does one go about reporting to the Jewish community? Who was told and when? Were they told by the authorities to evacuate? No, they weren't. It was you, I accuse you of trying to foment and create more hostility and angst

Jewish community leaders were called, and they called members of the community and warned them.

As for evacuating the school, if you would read what I wrote, you'd see I already had a report that this was being done. But if it was not, until police protection could be put in place, evacuation was the correct thing to do.

[mse]

As far as I'm concerned, Goldsmith is as much to blame about the current state of affairs as is Agri's management. Any time in past years when anyone tried to speak out against injustice at Agri, he would attempt to silence them by claiming antisemitism. As written, Goldsmith has been a Rubashkin shill from the moment he walked into the public scene as a council member.

Thanks for releasing the audio, Jeff. Everyone deserves to know things like this.

[Carol-Ann]

If something awful were to have happened and people learned Mr. Abbas has information he did not share, he would be roundly criticized. I'm sure Mr. Abbas did the best he could under the circumstances.

[Shmarya Rosenberg Should be Arrested]

Since the Police are reading this blog:

I believe that it's abundantly clear that Shmarya Rosenberg should be arrested for his role in the INCITEMENT TO RIOT.

Abas did not broadcast the audio and Shmarya Rosenberg did.

What Shmarya Rosenberg is doing is not unlike when AlQuida releases a hate filled audio or video threat, which serves as a signal to Islamics and AlQuida sleeper cells to incite hate and to lead to criminal activity and acts of violence.

Shmarya Rosenberg has absolutely nothing to do with himself all day and all night except to incite RACIAL HATRED against Religious Jews, who he disapproves of.

Every word on Shmaraya Rosenberg's blog is filled with Racial Hatred against the Religious Jews in Postvile and in other places.

This Link proves the point that it is Shmarya who is behind all the hatred and arousing the attempted racial violence:

Shmarya is what Jews call despicably an "INFORMANT" who's only purpose in Rosenberg's miserable pathetic life is to incite non-Jews to Racial Violence against Jews.

http://iowaindependent.com/8753/as-postville-implodes-hostility-to-rubashkin-grows

[state of disgust]

Alvin:
Read the previous post about 20-30 former workers (ex-cons brought to Postville by Rubashkin's "manpower" company to fill the slots left vacant by the arrested Guatemalans) standing outside the makeshift food kitchen set-up by Abbas and shouting for their paychecks. Some of these guys, hired by the "trusted" temp agnecy, were drunk. This was step 1.
Next came the very real report of threats in this mornings interview. That was step 2.
Do you really want to wait for step 3 before taking action???
The problem is Aaron Goldsmith's "shta, shtil" position puts the community in danger. I can assure you all proper authorities took the threats quite seriously - much more seriously then Aaron Goldsmith.
Trying to sweep such matters under the rug, just like the frum community has done with child molestation, doesn't help anyone.

[A curious observer]

SRSBA:

Just as you have the freedom to practice your religion (worshipping a false messiah), Shmarya has the right to look out for and protect the underdog here, something the Jewish community in Postville sadly has not done.

Please spare us your "Racial Violence against Jews" please. The employees of the company could care less that you or the owners are Jewish. They have every right to collect their wages from a fraudelent and corrupt company. Your entry is full of "RACIAL HATRED towards Non-Religious Jews and Non-Jews alike".

So, what's your point?

A curious observer

[Shmarya Rosenberg Should be Arrested]

curious observer,

The point is that this is a matter of Law, right now.

Right now, it is 100% against the Law, for Rubashkin to pay these workers.

So the gripes of these potential criminals is that they now want Rubashkin to violate the law, so that they should get paid and the person paying them will get arrested again, for being in violation of law.

It is simply illegal for Rubashkin or anyone else at Agri to pay these workers because it's up to the sole jurisdiction of the court appointed trustee and they must also abide by the law which says that past due, owed to workers, shall not be paid, not before the banks secured loans, are paid first at which point there will be no money left to pay anyone else.

If Shmaraya Rosenberg is suggesting that Agri or Rubashkin pay these workers, then Shmarya Rosenberg should be arrested for this alone, for his role in inciting people to break the law by illegally paying these x-workers.

[getzel rubashkin ( not ) posting from my jewberry]

It's real; it's reflecting a reality of human pain and trauma caused by continual mistreatment of workers at the Agriprocessors plant," Ouderkirk said.

In other words its ok to kidnap people, rob business or attack other people because we didnt got paid?

Father Ouderkirk, sounds the same as the people justifying terrorist attacks in the middle east or other countries , blaming the inocents for the killing by terrorist

[baccaloco]

this is so sad. its not the jews of postville fault! there in the same boat and its even harder for them. people are so quick to point blame and when they find out that its not the people they blame they just get mad. if you want to blame any one blame the slow prossess of the court system. goverment is always slow. look at the hurricain folks. there still hurting, and look at how slow they got help. still! if they use that energy to help each other rather than try to start riots and plan to rob innisent jews, all agri employees whould be better off.

[state of disgust]

Father Ouderkirk was referring to the frustration felt by workers and was not a justification for kidnapping, robbery or attacking other people.
Taking people's words out of context is a practice of despots. Please do not insult the intelligence of the people who read this blog with such high school debate antics.

[Posted by: getzel rubashkin ( not ) posting from my jewberry]

The People reading this blog encounter only negative posts by shmarya.

He spend all day and all night digging dirt and painting a totaly distorting the jewish orthodox chabad way of life.

I agree , we are not perfect but after reading this site people. are really wondering if the jews have long noses and horns !!

This his not how we leave or behave !!

Did people know that the jewish communitie in postville cooks for a new mother and their entire family 3 meals every day for 2 weeks !
We watch their kids till their mother feels strong again!

We help people who are in need of medical treatment,
We have a 24 hour a day OTC medication if you run out,
Chairs and tables are loan out for free if you need,
free use of food utensils,
Baby cribs
Food for shaboos and yom tov
( Matza , wine , meat etc )

Biggers cities have many other services

Hatzala ( volunter ambulance and firs reponders ,
We use our their own top of the line ambulances
And top of the line equitmant.

Zaka ( search and recovery services all over the world )

Soup kitchens serving every day 3 meals to any one who wants to eat !

And many many more services.
And all this is done with any publicity are with out especting any thing in return

(We don't destroy a community and the send food and we make shure the pictures are all over the news !!)

The problem is that peole only read waht shmarya wants you to read,

Just like I post before, shmarya rosemberg reject any thing or any one who dosnt agree with is sick twisted mind!
Jeff I thing you are a nice guy and u r trying to do good

So I'm asking you JEFF ABBAS.

How you can patronize this hateful site !!

If you don't agree with shmarya stop posting here!!

Otherwise you are guilty by association !!!

Are you willing to use the KKK or any other white extremist site ? Even if the have any truth ?

SHMARYA SCOTT ROZENBESRG IS THE KKK OF THE ORTHODOX COMMUNITY !!!

[Archie Bunker]

What the heck is wrong with Officer Seitz?

The guy speaking on KPLV, if telling the truth, has information about a criminal conspiracy.

What kind of "law enforcement" wouldn't want to interview him?

[getzel rubashkin ( not ) posting from my jewberry]

To state of disgust:

" Taking people's words out of context is a practice of despots. Please do not insult the intelligence of the people who read this blog with such high school debate antics."

" And, I'm sorry to say, this is also Chabad's…

… shame, as well. "

( Post by shmarya )

I see an intent to associate all chabad. To postville !!

Like I have been trying to explain people on this blog what the trugh agenda of shmarya is!
But I guess some people are like you, and only read and understend what they want the trough to be

So go back to high school and learn how to read !!

[Just a Goy]

Alvin,

Why are you so angry?

In the interview...

You heard something, I didn't?

You read something, I didn't?

Understand, no one is perfect. Some of us are evil.

Shmarya is a good man. Why? Because he brings to our attention our failings and misdeeds.

Every one of you, ask yourself this - are all those who observe Orthodox Judaism (or any other theological belief), perfect? Are there some bad people who are jews? Are there some good people who are jews? Are all people who are jews, good people? Or is it OJs are always good people no matter what they do?

Is racism and theological persecution practiced by some OJs? Were people abused by the OJs at Agri? Yes.

FACT: OJs should've spoken up when they saw or heard of abuses at Agri AND refused to participate. Do you think G-d will perceive them as innocent, or guilty by association? They were not only violating G-ds law, they were violating man's law, as well. And all of this, all of this could have been avoided if it weren't for greed AND racism.

And yes, this happens to be the prevailing views gentiles who are uniformed, that what is exactly taking place in the OJ community at Agri is the stereo typical jewish behavior they've learned. Is it any wonder, gentile racists in their own right, react by stereo typing observant OJs, as well as modern and reformed, when they see such behavior, from the so-called elitists of the faith? Especially, when its true, in OJs Agri's case?

Understand, the entire Nation is watching, the world is watching - Jew and gentile. Now comprehend the SHAME derived through these misdeeds these people have brought upon their own people.

So agin, you wonder why Jews are stereo typed...?

OJs are the first to cry anti-semitism when they perceive what they deem, injustice. But what do you call it when OJs perpetrate misdeeds upon gentiles? Is there a word to describe such behavior? And why does such behavior happen in the first place? Could it be, OJs at Agri feel they are superior human beings to their subhuman counterparts? Sounds reminiscent of what Hitler used to justify, doesn't it (rebitzman, please forgive me - I know how you feel)?

Indeed, you are G-d's chosen people, but does that mean G-d doesn't love me, or does the love me, too? Am I not too, created in HIS image or am I just a freak, in thine eyes?

Indentured servitude...

What ever you what to call it, it's there at Agri - Modern Slavery. Lies and ploys - saying one thing and doing another. Cheating people out of their miniscule wages, after they were promised FREE transportation and FREE housing. How much more pathetic can one get?!!

Is it not a sin to cheat, lie or steal? Or is it NOT lying, cheating or steeling when an OJ does it to a gentile? Which way is it? Does G-d differentiate?

Roles can be reversed - the abused become the abuser. It's a vicious cycle mankind can't seem to shake.

So in the end, instead of OJs being persecuted, they are the one's persecuting the gentiles.

What do YOU think G-d thinks about all of this? What justification is there for such behavior? Will He turn a blind eye? I think NOT!

So I ask you, why all the hostility? Is it possible the OJ community in Postville brought all this and more upon themselves? Yes.

Let me say, I am in no way justifying what was said, from the interview, but I can in some ways rationalize the thought process. It is a wrong perception and unjust. But there could be a simple way to address all of this - ask the certifying rabbinical community to right the wrong. They condoned such behaviors. Have them help BOTH jew and gentile. End the perceived racism. I believe it would be a first step. After all, it's time OJs acted like Americans, and not only respected their fellow citizen of the US, but of the of the world. Otherwise, why are you here, and not in Israel? Live here and live by the G-ds law, and man's law.

So I ask YOU, why are YOU are attacking Shmarya?

What did YOU do to stop all of this?

[lobbying4peace]

"It's real; it's reflecting a reality of human pain and trauma caused by continual mistreatment of workers at the Agriprocessors plant," Ouderkirk said.

Let's give Father Ouderkirk the benefit of the doubt and believe that he didn't mean any harm by his statement. But he may want to remember to include the word "alleged" in his future comments pertaining to Agriprocessors.

Also, I am perplexed as to why Mr. Abbas "did not broadcast the interview, even though he could have, because he did not want to cause panic", yet 3 1/2 hours later the full audio was posted on this site. I am also trying to understand his closing remark to the interviewee: "Go now, while you can." What is that supposed to mean? I am having a little bit of a harder time giving Mr. Abbas the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he can shed some light on his actions and words?

Also, yesterday the following was reported on this site:

BREAKING! Angry Mob Of Agriprocessors Workers Protest Outside Multicultural Center

An eyewitness said it was 4 or 5 people.

[Just a Goy]

Please excuse the typos - I'm tired, worried, disappointed, and believe it or not, speechless at this point.

Let us all fix this thing, together - please.

[getzel rubashkin ( not )]

From KCRGM.COM

Just look how the police responded to a 10 year old girl " hit list "

And how the police in postville reacted when they have Threats Against Jews

( And how the feds rected to some one,
That may be saw a meth lab and weapons in agri )

November 20, 2008 News MIDWEST: Wisconsin Girl in Trouble for 'Hit List' By Becky Ogann

KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) - A 10-year-old Kenosha girl says she didn't mean any harm, but she's in trouble anyway for drafting a so-called "killing spree hit list."
A police report said officers were called to McKinley Middle School Monday after a teacher caught the girl passing a note and found it listed 25 people, including the teacher, who "were going to be killed or maybe killed."
The back listed others who would not be hurt.
Police said the girl told them she was upset at students who accused her of spreading rumors or were mean to her, and at the teacher for sending her out of the classroom when she talked.
But she didn't have any plan for her list, although she knew it could scare people.
She was suspended until school officials review the incident and was referred to juvenile court .

[Shmarya]

Also, I am perplexed as to why Mr. Abbas "did not broadcast the interview, even though he could have, because he did not want to cause panic", yet 3 1/2 hours later the full audio was posted on this site. I am also trying to understand his closing remark to the interviewee: "Go now, while you can." What is that supposed to mean? I am having a little bit of a harder time giving Mr. Abbas the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he can shed some light on his actions and words?

Please.

Abbas called police and government played the tape for them. He called local Jewish leaders and played the tape for them. He warned those in immediate danger immediately.

He did not the man to go while he can because the man was fleeing after committing a crime. He told him to leave before things got worse, before the workers with guns went after him for snitching.

Also, yesterday the following was reported on this site:

BREAKING! Angry Mob Of Agriprocessors Workers Protest Outside Multicultural Center

An eyewitness said it was 4 or 5 people.

Have your eyewitness contact me.

I heard 2 to 3 dozen from people – all of them eyewitnesses. Perhaps your eyewitness can give us a more rounded picture of what happened.

[getzel rubashkin ( not )]

Shmarya

You are a sick person.
Get some help
Go to the doctor

Blogin all day long 24/7 against chabad.

Just because u didn't got the response u wanted from the lubavitcher rabbi.
You are doing so much damage in this blog.
Have mercy on your soul.

You are a faild messenger
You are a pathetic , hypocrite
Sone israel, moser & loser

I tell you the truth.
Some one so obsess with 1 or 2
Thing like you been so obsess with child molestation and chabad, brings me to the maskana of you 1: must have a big lust for small boys.
2: Ihave doubt if you are a jew at all.

[former resident]

Wow. I lived in Postville 20 years ago, just when Agri came to town. I've been following all the news and this blog closely for about the past week. The long post by Just a Goy is the most reasonable thing I've read about this whole mess.

[former resident]

Wow. I lived in Postville 20 years ago, just when Agri came to town. I've been following all the news and this blog closely for about the past week. The long post by Just a Goy is the most reasonable thing I've read about this whole mess.

[former resident]

Wow. I lived in Postville 20 years ago, just when Agri came to town. I've been following all the news and this blog closely for about the past week. The long post by Just a Goy is the most reasonable thing I've read about this whole mess.

[Jeff Abbas]

Lobbying4Peace - Good questions. Let me try to shed some light.

At 6:40 this morning the gentleman in the audio came into my studio to catch his pre-arranged ride to Waterloo. The ride was set up with a volunteer (using her own gas, I believe) the night before. In many cases, these ride arrangements have been hit and miss, and she happened to be in the studio while the gentleman was with me. My statement "Go now, while you can" simply meant that he should go, because his ride was there and waiting. There was no dark, foreboding element to the statement.

As to why I didn't broadcast the interview but sent it here 3 1/2 hours later - the answer is in the 3 1/2 hour wait. Once I had conferred with Mitch from our local PD, the Mayor, the Allamakee County Sheriff, a couple of friends (one Jewish and one not) and Ralph Rosenberg, I was left with the consensus that the majority of those people who heard it agreed that it was a credible threat. From that point, I took no further action as to the dissemination of the information I had, relying instead on the phone calls made by the people I had spoken with to get the word out to anyone they felt necessary. (I do not know who called who, but I do know the information spread very quickly.)

Some 3 hours later and after playing and re-playing the audio for people coming by the station who wanted to hear it, I decided the best way to make it available without going on the air was to send it here.

Finally, as to the eyewitness you spoke of who saw last night's crowd, please ask your witness the words I spoke to disperse the crowd before before Mr. Brook arrived. It was a short statement, loud and clear and could have been heard well up or down any of the side streets. I have included my email address for your private reply.

If this whole thing wouldn't have happened, I would likely feel much better tonight. It has not been an easy day. Rest assured, if I ever find myself in the same position, I will not do a thing differently. Sometimes the hard choice is the only choice.

KPVLRadio@KPVLRadio.com

[former resident]

I apologize for the triple-post. I'm traveling on business and the wireless at this hotel leaves something to be desired. I hope Postville is able to recover from this. I am deeply saddened that what could have been an example of rich cultural diversity (and tolerance of such) in a tiny midwest town, has turned into something so ugly.

[Tanya]

Getzel Rubashkin has a dangerous mind. Horrible, you are interested ONLY in yourself and your own. Your writings reek from danger. Please keep your thoughts to yourself and your own chabadniks and stay off this blog.

[Jerome Soller]

Tanya,
Out of respect for Getzel, whether I agree with him or not, I am making this post. "getzel rubashkin ( not )" is NOT Getzel Rubashkin. The really Getzel Rubashkin can actually spell. "getzel rubashkin ( not )" has what seems to be equivalent to a second or third grade education, at least based on his/her level of spelling and grammar.

Jerome

[Jerome Soller]

Sorry, in the last post, I meant "real," not "really."

[Curious Postville Native]

[getzel rubashkin ( not ) posting from my jewberry]:

[Taking people's words out of context is a practice of despots. Please do not insult the intelligence of the people who read this blog with such high school debate antics.

Posted by: state of disgust]

Thank you [state of disgust].

I could not have expressed it better.

[Curious Postville Native]

[SHMARYA SCOTT ROZENBESRG IS THE KKK OF THE ORTHODOX COMMUNITY !!!--getzel rubashkin ( not ) posting from my jewberry]

getzel rubashkin ( not ) posting from my jewberry]:

Do you honestly believe people think what you post is credible when you post a statement such as this.

[Curious Postville Native]

[So go back to high school and learn how to read !!
Posted by: getzel rubashkin ( not ) posting from my jewberry]

--Getzel Rubashkin (not) . . .:
Go back to high school and learn how to WRITE.

[lobbying4peace]

Shamarya,
You didn't answer the question as to why Mr. Abbas chose to send YOU the audio of his interview, for all the world to hear, even though he supposedly did not want to cause panic to the community.

Perhaps, just maybe, rather than encouraging the informant to "Go now, while you can", he should have escorted him to the station so he could be properly questioned by the POLICE? And if Mr. Abbas wasn't able to escort him the full four blocks down the road to the police station, there is always 911.

But anyway, I'm sure the Rubashkin family thanks Mr. Abbas profusely for the personal phone call he made to warn them of the threat right away. He didn't wait to contact them, did he? He DID contact the Rubashkins, didn't he? You said: "He warned those in immediate danger immediately." You call MORE THAN 2 HOURS LATER AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE? Have you been associating with FEMA? AND IT WASN'T EVEN THE RUBASHKINS HE CONTACTED! Guess he was too busy preparing to send you the audio.

But maybe Mr. Abbas has a very good reason for waiting. And for waiting an hour to contact the authorities as well.

By the way, this whole thing happened at least two hours before school started. If you and he were so concerned that the warning get out there that school be "evacuated" immediately (love the choice of words...you wouldn't have wanted to say "dismissed", that might have caused less panic for the community that you both were so concerned about keeping calm) then you might have discussed getting the lead out of your feet and contacting the "leaders" BEFORE SCHOOL BEGAN.

My eyewitness declines your offer. She stands by her statement.

[lobbying4peace]

Mr. Abbas,
Thank you for your response. I regret that I didn't refresh my page previously and see it until after I made my post. However, I would appreciate it if you would please read it carefully and address the issues presented. I have a lot of unanswered questions.

[Shmarya]

Maybe next time, Jeff will hold the tape for his 6 pm news broadcast.

The man called everyone in law enforcement and in government that he could.

He – not you, not Aaron Goldsmith – is responsible for getting in extra police.

Why release the tape?

I'll let Jeff answer that for himself.

But I'll tell you this: releasing that tape and the media attention it garnered did more to protect your community than you realize.

When the tape was released, there still was not any extra police protection, and police had NOT, to the best of my knowledge, warned the Chabad community or the Postville business community.

It was still wholly unclear what, if anything, Postville's police and government would do.

You fault Abbas for using my site to warn people. You fault Abbas for his actions.

But what you do not do is fault the town's police and government, which did not properly react.

And you do not fault people like Aaron Goldsmith, who went out of his way, it seems, to do the wrong thing.

This speaks volumes about your intentions and your grasp of the situation.

[Shmarya]

By the way, this whole thing happened at least two hours before school started. If you and he were so concerned that the warning get out there that school be "evacuated" immediately (love the choice of words...you wouldn't have wanted to say "dismissed", that might have caused less panic for the community that you both were so concerned about keeping calm) then you might have discussed getting the lead out of your feet and contacting the "leaders" BEFORE SCHOOL BEGAN.

You need to ask why the police did not do this.

[Shmarya]

I'll also tell you something that should worry you.

I spoke with Postville ambulance service late this morning. It was an error. I dialed the wrong number.

But I took advantage of the situation to ask if it had been told to be extra vigilant, or to prepare for possible violence.

The ambulance service had not been told anything.

I told them what had taken place.

That call was made several hours after police and city government were made aware of the threat.

Direct your anger to where it belongs and leave Jeff Abbas, who only tried to help you, alone.

[getzel rubashkin ( not )]

I may don't know to spell
I may don't have any education
One thing for shure, I can see shmarya rosenmberg trouth agenda !
Jeff abbas and all others don't want to face the reality
Of this blog.

Try to open a new blog with out shmarya
Ablog were we can stop fighting each other, ablog we can use to spread love to each other religion.
A blog to help the people in need.

With out shmarya and is agenda

If you try I'm shure shmarya will turn againts every one of us.

This is the way shmarya works.
I can see is agenda with out any education, should be no problem for Curious Postville Native

If you fail to see what shmarya is trying to do, you need to go the west union hospital and see the emergency doctor on call

[getzel rubashkin ( not )]

Shmarya you are an angel!

You care about the jewish chabad community ??

You care about the jewish and no jewish of postville ?

Jeff abbas cares about us,
The only thing he dosnt understend is your agenda and the poison you are spreading all over the USA with this blog!

He should stop posting in this blog !!

He should open a new blog with out giving you a plataform for your twisted sick mind.

Please take your medication.

its beautiful

for centuries the heebsters have been sayin hogoneiv min haganav potur

well ...
now the shoes on the other foot.

[Don]

"I worked for many years in the Jewish community on a national level. I have some experience evaluating and dealing with threats against Jewish targets." Scott, what fantasy world are you living in? I think you ought to share the list of places you worked and describe your experience and why you were dismissed from each place and have no job at present. Where are your letters of recommendation from these community positions that you held? You have inserted yourself in this story and are a valid point of discussion. Come clean and lay it on the line.

[lobbying4peace]

Shmarya,
I am not angry. Really. I think you are annoyed because you know I am right. Yes, the authorities were contacted. But time was wasted. Mr. Abbas clearly has connections. He certainly could have found that man another ride out of town after he made sure he was questioned properly by the authorities. But he apparently doesn't feel he erred. It blows my mind, but he is entitled to his opinion. The facts are the facts, though. He waited an hour to call authorities. He waited even longer to notify the "leaders" of the community.

"When the tape was released, there still was not any extra police protection, and police had NOT, to the best of my knowledge, warned the Chabad community or the Postville business community." --

Nothing could be further from the truth. The Postville Police Department, Officer Seitz, and the Chief of Police were in constant contact with the "leaders" of the community today.

Just curious, who told you the school was evacuating? Might want to get a better informant.

[Shmarya]

Scott, what fantasy world are you living in? I think you ought to share the list of places you worked and describe your experience and why you were dismissed from each place and have no job at present.

American chairman of the World Union of Jewish Students. North American Representative to WUJS-Jerusalem and the Israeli government. Member, North American Governing Board, World Union of Jewish Students.

After this I worked for Chabad in Philadelphia (briefly) and then for Chabad and for Heritage House in Jerusalem.

[Shmarya]

The facts are the facts, though. He waited an hour to call authorities. He waited even longer to notify the "leaders" of the community.

Please.

I'll let Jeff answer this accusation. But I will again state that he did more for you than ungrateful people like you will ever understand.

The Postville Police Department, Officer Seitz, and the Chief of Police were in constant contact with the "leaders" of the community today.

There were no extra police cars and no cars from the sheriff or state police until after the tape was released.

Just curious, who told you the school was evacuating? Might want to get a better informant.

Some parents took their children home. I was initially told all were doing this. That was wrong.

Now, direct your accusations to the mayor and the local police – who knew about the threat long before your community did.

[lobbying4peace]

"Some parents took their children home. I was initially told all were doing this. That was wrong."--

again, might want to be better informed before posting misinformation. ONE parent took her children home.

[Shmarya]

I see you still find it difficult to direct your focus to the police and mayor.

After all, they knew about the threat very early but they did not react in the correct way.

When you're done with that, do the same for Goldsmith.