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October 29, 2008

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Jerome Soller

Shmarya, I don't know why you are raising issues with the movie, "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" in 2006. I saw this movie for the first time about one year ago. It has been aired in many places, including Jewish community centers, and has received mostly positive reviews. Jewcy (it seems one of your favorite sites) makes the irresponsible comment, "Aish HaTorah denies any direct connection to the film, which is designed to make naive Americans believe that B-52s filled with radical jihadists are about to carpet-bomb their churches, and are only awaiting Barack Obama's ascension to launch the attack." Jewcy makes the equally unsupported statements, "Just unbelievable, but the most unbelievable part of the "Obsession" campaign is its timing: What does this film have to do with Barack Obama? The film is meant to suggest that Obama will provide aid and comfort to Islamism, or is an Islamist himself. There is not one shred of proof on this planet that Barack Obama is anything other than an Israel-supporting Christian. Yes, he went to party with Rashid Khalidi. So did I. Does that make me a member of Hezbollah?"

The film was released in 2006 (created during the years preceding that), several years before Obama was a candidate and has no relationship with Obama. Obama is not currently a Muslim (likely a secular atheist that attended a "Christian" church), although he was listed as a Muslim as a child. Obama's religion (or lack thereof) or candidacy has no relevance whatsoever to the message of this movie. What the film does is show many examples from media in the Muslim world of how hate of Jews and Israel is institutionalized in many aspects of the societies in these countries/some radical Muslim leadership even in the West and how that hate directly impacts acts of terrorism committed by Muslim extremists against infidels. The movie is scary because the reality of the situation is scary.

The real question is "Who is driving this smear job of the Obsession movie and why?" This question is answered by the coverage of the liberal press, which consistently referred to the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) as one group that is criticizing this movie and initiated much of the hoopla. CAIR is a "charity" that receives millions of dollars per year, much from sources oversees, to promote an agenda that pushes the United States towards a sharia law state. CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal government's case against the Holy Land Foundation this past June (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/08/018211.php ). CAIR leadership is closely tied to Hamas (http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/08/cair_youngest_member_of_hamas.php) and other terrorist groups (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=33E66BB5-5BB4-4027-8CFB-E7AB259A233C). CAIR strongly opposes this movie because CAIR's goal is to push the world view that Islam (extreme or otherwise) presents no threat, and that the greatest threat is Islamophobia.

CAIR is most known for filing frivolous lawsuits against groups that criticize it (http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3511) and groups that refuse to be intimidated by
Islamic extremism (the lawsuit against the airlines and passengers by the "Flying Imams" http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/zieve/070316 )

For further information on CAIR and this issue, here are some relevant references:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/lawfare-cair-ob.html
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

Jerome

Jerome Soller

I attempted to post a message criticizing Shmarya's position, but Failedmessiah's new spam filter is blocking it. We'll see what happens.

Jerome

Reader

"Documentary promoted by groups affiliated with the Aish HaTorah outreach organization has drawn criticism from other Jewish groups. "

"Other Jewish groups" always criticize stuff they don't like. Why should I care what "Other Jewish groups" think? I support the "Obsession" Documentary and any and all attempts to distribute it, and no amount of "political correctness police" badgering will change my mind.

Jerome Soller

I apologize for posting the following in multiple posts to avoid Shmarya's spam filter.

Paragraphy #1:

Shmarya, I don't know why you are raising issues with the movie, "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" in 2006. I saw this movie for the first time about one year ago. It has been aired in many places, including Jewish community centers, and has received mostly positive reviews. Jewcy (it seems one of your favorite sites) makes the irresponsible comment, "Aish HaTorah denies any direct connection to the film, which is designed to make naive Americans believe that B-52s filled with radical jihadists are about to carpet-bomb their churches, and are only awaiting Barack Obama's ascension to launch the attack." Jewcy makes the equally unsupported statements, "Just unbelievable, but the most unbelievable part of the "Obsession" campaign is its timing: What does this film have to do with Barack Obama? The film is meant to suggest that Obama will provide aid and comfort to Islamism, or is an Islamist himself. There is not one shred of proof on this planet that Barack Obama is anything other than an Israel-supporting Christian. Yes, he went to party with Rashid Khalidi. So did I. Does that make me a member of Hezbollah?"

Jerome Soller

Paragraph #2: The film was released in 2006 (created during the years preceding that), several years before Obama was a candidate and has no relationship with Obama. Obama is not currently a Muslim (likely a secular atheist that attended a "Christian" church), although he was listed as a Muslim as a child. Obama's religion (or lack thereof) or candidacy has no relevance whatsoever to the message of this movie. What the film does is show many examples from media in the Muslim world of how hate of Jews and Israel is institutionalized in many aspects of the societies in these countries/some radical Muslim leadership even in the West and how that hate directly impacts acts of terrorism committed by Muslim extremists against infidels. The movie is scary because the reality of the situation is scary.

Jerome Soller

Paragraph #3:
The real question is "Who is driving this smear job of the Obsession movie and why?" This question is answered by the coverage of the liberal press, which consistently referred to the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) as one group that is criticizing this movie and initiated much of the hoopla. CAIR is a "charity" that receives millions of dollars per year, much from sources oversees, to promote an agenda that pushes the United States towards a sharia law state. CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal government's case against the Holy Land Foundation this past June (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/08/018211.php ). CAIR leadership is closely tied to Hamas (http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/08/cair_youngest_member_of_hamas.php) and other terrorist groups (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=33E66BB5-5BB4-4027-8CFB-E7AB259A233C). CAIR strongly opposes this movie because CAIR's goal is to push the world view that Islam (extreme or otherwise) presents no threat, and that the greatest threat is Islamophobia.

Jerome Soller

Paragraph #4:
CAIR is most known for filing frivolous lawsuits against groups that criticize it (http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3511) and groups that refuse to be intimidated by
Islamic extremism (the lawsuit against the airlines and passengers by the "Flying Imams" http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/zieve/070316 )

Jerome Soller

Paragraph #5:
For further information on CAIR and this issue, here are some relevant references:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/lawfare-cair-ob.html
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

PishPosh

I can tell you that all Muslims may not be parachuting from B-52s strapped with bombs, but they do try to insinuate Islam into schools.

There have been students persecuted because they didnt want to participate in all this Islamic sensitivity crap they are allowing in a way that no judaic, christian, buddhist, hindu faith would be allowed.
Where the ACLU would be the first with hatchets to sue against any prayer in school, they are silent when students are forced to pretend they are Muslims, take Muslim names etc. And when they protest are tormented sometimes by teachers themselves. Google Islam and Textbooks. My daughters textbook which I read with my own eyes, talks about "The Prophet Mohemmed" or "The Holy City of Mecca" as thought they were facts on the ground.

And discussion questions about the future relations between Muslims and Jews as though we were only ones having the issue with Islam as opposed to most Non Muslim countries having troubles with Islam. I kid you not. Google it.

Jerome Soller

One more relevant article about CAIR , the Islamic terrorism advocacy group that initiated the complaints against Aish HaTorah. The article is titled, "FBI: CAIR is a front group, and Holy Land Foundation tapped Hamas clerics for fundraisers".

Quoted from the article:
FBI Special Agent Lara Burns was going over more transcripts from the Philadelphia meeting -- the 1993 gathering of Holy Land officials and Hamas sympathizers that the government contends was meant to brainstorm ways to downplay the Foundation's extremist ties -- when talk turned to a passage from defendant Shukri Abu Baker.

He is quoted on the wiretap transcript talking about how it would be beneficial to have more traditional, secular American organizations to help spread the Islamist message.

He and others envisioned an "alternative" organization "which can benefit from a new atmosphere, one whose Islamic hue is not very conspicuous," he said according to the transcript.

Prosecutor Barry Jonas asked Burns whether any groups formed after the Philadelphia gathering fit this mold. "CAIR," she said.

CAIR is one of about 300 unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land case, and testimony has shown that its founder, Omar Ahmad, and current executive director, Nihad Awad, both participated in the Philadelphia meeting.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/fbi-cair-is-a-front-group-and.html

thanbo

Ooh, Torossian - Shmarya's favorite publicist. Why does he always seem to be involved in the sleaziest Jewish cases?

Now that convictions are coming down in the Agri case, have any charges been filed/acted upon regarding 5WPR's unethical bloggery? Is there law that applies? Internet law is still developing.

Under the Holly Tree

Shmaryna,
In the above article Rabbi Irwin Katsof is mentioned. He claims he is a "real estate developer"

Here's some more info on Katsof:

1) His business is Doheny Global doing business mostly in the Ukraine. Also he sits on the board of Criterion Strategies, a security company. He hosted a security conference with Tom Ridge
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/
is_2007_July_19/ai_n27315448

"Immediately following the Friedland conference, Mr. Turney participated in a Homeland Security-related conference sponsored by the Doheny Global Group and Ridge Global LLC. The event, "Accessing Funds from the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security," included presentations and discussions about business opportunities and strategies in the Homeland Security market."

2) As the founder of the Jerusalem Fund of Aish Hatorah, he presented Tom Ridge with the "Friend of Zion" award.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-64359706.html

3) Tom Ridge appears in the new Clarion dvd, "The Third Jihad"

4) Tom Ridge is the voice behind a recent McCain robo-call
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/
reports-of-new-anti-obama_n_137311.html

5) Katsof is the founder of "Words Can Heal" a foundation against hate speech which boasts all the who's who of Congress, Hollywood, faith circles, leaders of academia and the faith world. They created a program/handbook that is used in schools for bullying, but they also advertised for civil discourse in politics. In a press release when the foundation launched they wrote:
http://www.wordscanheal.org/press/pressRelease_2.htm
"Print ads aimed at bringing a new tone to American politics will begin this week in National Journal, Congressional Quarterly, Roll Call, and The Hill."

6) To make the foundation even more visible, Katsof sought legislation (and was passed) in Congress for a national "Words Can Heal Day" Who was a co-sponsor to this legislation? John McCain.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=sr107-183

7) While doing all they can to deny the overlap of Clarion and Aish Hatorah, Aish is proud to claim that "Words Can Heal" came directly out of an Aish initiative.

8) I do suppose that as a co-sponsor of "Words Can Heal" DAY, John McCain did take the "pledge"

I pledge to think more about the words I use.

I will try to see how gossip hurts people, including myself, and work to eliminate it from my life.

I will try to replace words that hurt with words that encourage, engage and enrich.

I will not become discouraged when I am unable to choose words perfectly, because making the world a better place is hard work.

And I am pledging to do that, one word at a time.

I have a simple question, if words really can "heal", then the opposite, is also obviously true. Do not words that harm Muslims, the fear tactic of the mass distribution of this dvd "Obsession" undermine the pledge and goals of Words Can Heal, their goal towards civil discourse in politics supposedly? McCain has stated he is proud of those who come to his rallies. We have all seen the rantings of some of these people. WHERE is McCain's pledge to civil discourse in politics? Where is Clarion's pledge whose six members are all members of Aish Hatorah which touts this Words Can Heal foundation out as one of their major accomplishment yet has members who are CLEARLY Aish Hatorah members?

The hypocrisy is utterly amazing.

Yoel B

If Hamas supports Obama because he's a Muslim, maybe that's because according to sharia he is a Muslim.
Speaking of Hamas, its parent organization is the Muslim Brotherhood, whose decades old Project includes the establishment of sharia in every country, and which has offshoots right here in the USA among "mainstream" Muslim organizations.
Add that to the 80% or so of mosques in the USA which are Saudi funded and Wahhabi influenced, as are most of the Muslim prison and many of the military chaplains, and "Obsession" while perhaps propaganda--and it's issue advocacy, not advocacy of a particular candidate. (Unless in your mind opposing jihad means opposing Obama -- which of course is why the phone banks in Gaza are working overtime for Barack.)

Yoel B

If Hamas supports Obama because he's a Muslim, maybe that's because according to sharia he is a Muslim.
Sorry about that, I hit Post instead of Preview.

Speaking of Hamas, its parent organization is the Muslim Brotherhood, whose decades old Project includes the establishment of sharia in every country, and which has offshoots right here in the USA among "mainstream" Muslim organizations.
Add that to the 80% or so of mosques in the USA which are Saudi funded and Wahhabi influenced, as are most of the Muslim prison and many of the military chaplains, and "Obsession" while perhaps propaganda--and it's issue advocacy, not advocacy of a particular candidate-- is basically accurate. (Unless in your mind opposing jihad means opposing Obama -- which of course is why the phone banks in Gaza are working overtime for Barack.)

Jerome Soller

Yoel,
I have previously posted this interview of the #2 member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and his opinions of Obama and CAIR (their front group that initiated the complaints against Aish Hatorah). Given your comments above, you may find it relevant so I am reposting it.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/an-interview-with-the-muslim-brotherhoods-2/

On Obama and McCain:
SM: What does the Muslim Brotherhood think of the two candidates in the upcoming elections in the U.S?

Mohamed Habib: We would naturally like to see the end of the current regime and that their practices are not to be repeated by the coming administration. We don’t anticipate such change taking place if Senator John McCain wins, for he seems to be following the same line as the current American President George Bush. We are not so sure about Senator Obama either, because of his Israel visit, him saying that Israel is a democracy, and his visit to AIPAC, but we are withholding judgment because maybe he needs to do this to win. That being said, any change away from the criminal practices of the current administration is a good thing, and we would be happy with whatever candidate would put a stop to it.

On CAIR (the US front for Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood - which the media treats like a human rights organization - that initiated the complaints against Aish HaTorah):
SM: But it’s not CAIR, right? The Council for American Islamic Relations? Many people say that they are your front. Other people say that its ISNA. But back to CAIR, some people from the Muslim Brotherhood have denied having a connection with CAIR. Do they really represent you?

Mohamed Habib: Ehh, this is a sensitive subject, and it’s kind of problematic, especially after 9/11 …

SM: For them to say that there is a relationship between you two?

Mohamed Habib: Yes. You can say that.
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