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October 04, 2008

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Yochanan Lavie

Reader: Shmarya has issued retractions in the past. Gmar tov to you & your loved ones.

reader

So if steve admits that his comment wasn't "sockpuppeted" that just destroys this entire argument. But Shmarya will never admit he was wrong or made a mistaken accusation, will he? That's not in the playbook.

State of Postville

Check out the new website Agrifacts.com. The article from website http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gg5LO0Z7DFhrY5WsZDEiFhp-ydTwD93JRR5G0 says that it is run by family, friends and supports of Agriprocessors and the Rubbishkan family. Getzel states that he has nothing to do with this website either. Amazingly enough, the same testimonials are on this website as the one that Getzel and his friends started and also the comments section in each category it amazingly closed. KEEP THE THE GOOD WORK Shmarya

Carol-Ann

Is it Getzel or Gotcha?

Yochanan Lavie

Remember your Americans First

Remember your grammar. It's "you're Americans first." you're= you are; your= you possessive.

Archie: Good Eminem parody! But remember, M&M's may have an OU, but they're chalav stamm.

state of the Jews

"The new CEO is a sock puppet and he has a desk and a telephone."

Don't think he's a sock puppet. But his real job has nothing to do with running the company. My guess is he's there to bring in investors, and/or position the company for sale. He's more of an attenpt at misdirection. But he is actually doing something, just not what his title implies.
Actual day-to-day decisions are made by Shalom together with Aaron and Heshy. That's why the OU's fig leaf response to hiring a new CEO is a joke and makes the OU look like a bunch of clowns. They come out looking like the Sgt. Schultz YI crowd. The OU has done more harm to kashrut then Agri could do by itself.

Paul Freedman

Look, this is Getzel's family.

Are misidentified comments in a, forgive me, parochial blog, even if confirmed of all that importance.

????

The new CEO is a sock puppet and he has a desk and a telephone.

Yochanan Lavie

Getzel: I like you, but Lanner is a scumbag. I saw it with my own eyes. How can you defend him?

rebitzman

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It's an Exodus 20:5 thing, baby - you wouldn't understand.

Un-Orthodox and Unimpressed

Guilt by genetics?

Getzel;
Your entire family should immediately leave the country. Some are going to Federal Prison first. There is not one of you who is a decent person.

Isa

Dear Getzel:
Regarding:""""


Isa, as I mentioned there are probably 50-100 people withe access to the internet and the ability to comment wherever they want. To pin the blame on me simply because Shmarya wants to destroy anyone with the last name Rubashkin is ridiculous.

Posted by: Getzel Rubashkin | October 05, 2008 at 12:16 PM
""""
Getzel, if Agri has any sort of an IT department (With 50 to 100 people it should have) A simple check of the Server logs will reveal who accessed the Internet when.
I ASSUME that all your computer accounts have a log in with user name and password.

WoolSIlkCotton

I am shocked, shocked, that someone would post here on FM with a fictitious name.

And then they say nasty things! For shame.

But really, Tom, us Jews are lovers, not haters. You need to realize that even when folks here argue, and even if things get a bit testy between us sometimes, at the end of the day we offer an unspoken nod to each other, an unwritten 'zeit gezundt', and no hard feelings.

Rachel Batya

--tom Klein is a completely ficticious name.--

WHAT? Oh my G-d, Wool, Archie, did you guys know this?

--you people are really nuts--

Aw, now you've hurt our feelings. Archie, in particular, is disconsolate.

I'm telling your mother.

Un-Orthodox and Unimpressed

Came back???!!! I thought you guys believe he never left??

rachel or whatever your name is, tom Klein is a completely ficticious name. I am really the reincarnation of the rebbe. I cam back to molest more little boys. you people are really nuts

Rachel Batya

It's interesting, Tom, that in your posts you keep switching between "you" and "Orthodox/Ultra-Orthodox" Jews, as in:

"The ultra-Orthodox do more to hurt mainstream Jews than anyone else. You can't think for yourselves and some of you molest little children."

So, I draw some conclusions from this:

1. You can't keep the subject of your sentences straight. This feature of your prose makes it highly unlikely that you are a writer.

2. You think that ultra-Orthodox Jews are the main ones posting to this blog. This misconception means that, in addition to not being a writer, you're not much of a reader, either.

All you've done here is ask a group of Jews several leading questions to which you apparently think you already have the answers, all the while asserting that you are a Jew.

Might you be the gate-crashing "Tom Klein" mentioned here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09042008/gossip/pagesix/crasher_alert_127358.htm

September 4, 2008 --

WARNING to name-checkers posted at the entrance to Fashion Week events - there is a new crasher in town. A man calling himself "Tom Klein" has been infiltrating chic soirees, claiming he works for Women's Wear Daily. This Klein character got caught when he tried to get on the list for last night's "Gossip Girl" party at the Empire Hotel, hosted by Dior Beauty, a source said. The crasher, claiming to be a senior editor at Fairchild Media, sends e-mails from a fake address. A WWD spokeswoman told Page Six, "He is not an employee of Fairchild or Condé Nast."

And here:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/09/yep_jamie-lynn_spears_has_alre.html

A guy named "Tom Klein" has been crashing Fashion Week events, telling people he's an editor for WWD. (Aren't we all, Tom.)

Or did you just get the idea from him?

Tom Klein is not my real name; I'm your father asshole

Correct every male when they reach 18 years of age is required to register. The only penalty for not registering is that you are prohibited from getting collge loans from the government. The reaso nthe black Hat types don't care about this is that not one single one of them has the brains or education to get into college. That is the truth do you know that an organization for orthodox kids wanting to break free in NYC has found is that the people they see coming out of the Yeshiva's have an education level of 7th grade. Really nice

WoolSIlkCotton

Norm, you are right. I was wrong. I just check their website.

My kids and I were unaware until we were filling out college financial aid applications, and FAFSA required it. Since we had never been asked to register prior to this, I assumed it wasn't mandatory.

I am sure lots of kids have not bothered to register, either; religious or not, Jewish or not.

Norm

Woolsilk-you are wrong. All 18 year olds are required to register.

WoolSIlkCotton

No one is obligated to register for the Selective Service, unless you are a college student applying for a Federal Loan through FAFSA.

I seem to remember a Tom Klein from the Lubavitcher Yeshiva in Morristown (the wacky ba'al teshuva side), circa 1978. He was a member of the JDL.
That would make him about age 50 today.
Maybe you, Tom?

WoolSIlkCotton

Dear 1:54pm,

I fly every few weeks and there is always some annoying selfish jerk still standing and fussing with a suitcase, a baby, or something else whenever it's time to sit down and fasten seat belts. Those jerks come in all genders, religions and ethnicities.

The flight crew always seems to handle it without a big deal happening. This time that jerk was praying. And knowing how the Black Hat crowd has a way of acting as if nobody else mattered, I can easily imagine how this incident escalated.

Perhaps you are right, and 6 months probation will send a message to the religious world to get their prayers in order before takeoff, especially in this day and age when airlines are so sensitive about any potential troublemaker.

Archie Bunker

"Americans First"

Another sign that "Tom Klein" is a Nazi. They always crow about the "Israel firsters".

Give it up you piece of trailer trash.

There was absolutely no lack of sensitivity on the part of the flight crew. The man interefered with airline crew. The plane was ready to push from the gate every other passenger was seated with their seatbelts on. This gentleman will be getting a federal probation sentence of 6 months. All that he deserves. ALL people are created equal. I am Jewish and tired of the orthodox treating other like inferior citizens. You should all learn that every person on this earth is equal. Orthodox Jews use the system to benfit them then cry and complain of anti-semitism when it suits them. How many orthodox Jews who are 18 have registered for the selective service? None I promise. Remember your Americans First

Getzel Rubashkin

I spoke to John, as I mentioned. This post is false.

tom klein

Let me ask a question. There was a Black Hat guy on a United airlines flight several months ago. The plane was pushing back from the gate and the man was in the back davening. He refused to take his seat when the cabin attendent asked him. He was removed from the plane by the suthorities. He broke the law which say you must obey the flight crew. Was this Anti-semitism? There is nothing more to the story than that.

Tom "Klein" the pretender is back.

He's obviously a Nazi posing as a disgruntled secular Jew. Vicky Polin has had the same problem on her blogs with some Nazis & Muslims putting on the same act.

Shmarya

I posted here at 12:00pm about a bunch of Psycho orthodox who beat up woman that they feel don't conform to their bs.

No, Tom. You posted here:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2008/10/postville-chede.html#comment-133478267

Getzel Rubashkin

Every time I decide to stop commenting, someone attacks me personally, and I let myself get pulled back in.

Sorry for not lying down and letting you step all over me.

tom klein

I posted here at 12:00pm about a bunch of Psycho orthodox who beat up woman that they feel don't conform to their bs.

Archie Bunker

How many times has Getzel claimed he would stop posting here? And if his father told him to stop, isn't that a breach of kibud av?

Apologies to Marshall Mathers:

"The Real Getzel Rubashkin"

[Eminem]
May I have your attention please?
May I have your attention please?
Will the real Getzel Rubashkin please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Getzel Rubashkin please stand up?
We're gonna have a problem here..

Y'all act like you never seen an impersonator before
Jaws all on the floor like the muchachos, when ICE just burst in the door
and started whoopin Agri worse than before throwin around furniture looking for Meth(Ahh!)
It's the return of the... "Ah, wait, no way, you're kidding,
he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?"
And Lubinsky said... the raid was nothing you idiots!
A mad cow's dead, he's locked into Aaron's Best hamburger! (Ha-ha!)
Feminist women hate 5W's Torossian
[*vocal turntable: chigga chigga chigga*]
"Shmarya, I'm sick of him
Look at him, walkin around grabbin his you-know-what
Flippin the you-know-who," Yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose
But no worse, than what's goin on in the OU boardroom
Sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose, but can't
but it's cool for Pesach Lerner to beat a dead horse
Read his lips, his whiskered lips
And that's the message that we deliver to little kids
And expect them not to know what tarfus is
Of course they gonna know who Weissmandel is
By the time they hit fourth grade
They got the Discovery Channel don't they?
"We ain't nothing but mammals.." Well, some of us cannibals
who cut Agri workers open like cantaloupes [SLURP]
But if we can proclaim kosher dead animals and antelopes
then there's no reason that Lerner and Eliezrie can't elope
[*EWWW!*] But if you feel like I feel, I got the antidote
Genack wave your pantyhose, sing the chorus and it goes

[Chorus: Eminem (repeat 2X)]

'Cause I'm Getzel Rubashkin, yes I'm the real Getzel
All you other "Johns" & "Steves" are just imitating
So won't the real Slim Shady please stand up,
please stand up, please stand up?

[Eminem]
Engelmayer don't gotta cuss to sell his flacking;
well I do, so gei kack in yam you too!
You think I give a damn about Glatt?
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me
"But Getzel, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird?"
Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here?
So you can, sit me here next to Attorney Bernie
Shreck, Jim Martin better switch me chairs
so I can sit next to Uncle Milton and hear 'em argue over who screwed up first

I should download the FBI recordings on MP3
and show the whole world how we sold tainted meat [AHHH!]
I'm sick of you activist groups, all you do is annoy me
so I have been sent here to destroy you [bzzzt]
And there's a million of us just like me
who defend Agri like me; who just don't give a damn like me
who dress like me; walk with a pinched fedora like me
and just might be the next best thing but not quite me!

[Chorus]

[Eminem]
I'm like a head trip to listen to, cause I'm only givin you
things you joke about with your friends inside your living room
The only difference is I got the guts to say it
in front of y'all and I don't gotta be false or sugarcoated at all
I just get on the keyboard and spit it
and whether you like to admit it [*ERR*] I just **** it

It's funny; cause at the rate I'm goin when I'm thirty
I'll be the only person where Agri once stood arguing
Pinchin myself when I'm mouthin off about bloggers
And I'm ventin' but this whole bag of floating IPs isn't working
And every single person is a Getzel Rubashkin lurkin
He could be workin at Burger King, spittin on your onion rings
[*HACH*] Or in the parkin lot, circling
Screaming "Can you help a guy down out on his luck?"
So, will the real Getzel please stand up?
And put one of those fingers on each hand up?
And be proud to be outta your mind and outta control
and one more time, loud as you can, how does it go?

[Chorus 4X]

[Eminem]
Ha ha
Guess there's a Getzel Rubashkin in all of us
let's all stand up

Shmarya

Your post is on a different thread, Tom.

Shmarya

Why Would you take down my post?

???????

Tom Klein

Why Would you take down my post?

Getzel Rubashkin

Isa, as I mentioned there are probably 50-100 people withe access to the internet and the ability to comment wherever they want. To pin the blame on me simply because Shmarya wants to destroy anyone with the last name Rubashkin is ridiculous.

Isa

Dear Getzel
Regarding:
""""

Isa: Or like calling someones bluff and saying, you say you have something else, what is it? Oh, you can't tell? Aha..

Posted by: Getzel Rubashkin | October 04, 2008 at 10:46 PM
""""
IP addresses are like fingerprints either YOU or someone inside Agri management has used a computer that used that IP address.
You CERTAINLY do not allow just plain old line workers to have Internet access?

In the days of old time dial up, one would probably get a different IP address each time but your Internet Service provider DO keep logs who used what address , when.
Either you have DSL or cable Internet access therefore you almost have a static IP address.
I have cable and a static (almost ) IP address but I know how to do a reset and obtain a different address BUT it IS still can be traced to me.

Getzel Rubashkin

Previous two comments were me.

Then it was 4 years ago. I was guessing the amount of years based on my memory that I posted from the Postville Yeshiva. I was assuming it was when I was a student there. It must have been when I was on the staff.

WSC: I have spoken to John. Shmarya really put his foot in it this time.

Shmarya

I left comments here 7 years ago on a non-Rubashkin topic, using a screenname. Your attempt to make that sound criminal and a support for your ridiculous sockpuppeting allegations is disgusting.

The blog has only been around for about 4 1/2 years, Getzel.

WoolSIlkCotton

+++John: Please contact me. I would appreciate any assistance you could give that would help set the record straight+++

Perhaps John could also help OJ find the 'real killers' of Nicole SImpson and Ron Goldman?

I wonder if 5W has anything to do with this.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Aerosmith frontman Steven Tyler on Wednesday sued unknown bloggers who the singer said impersonated him on the Web, writing about the death of his mother and other "intimate details" from his life. In a lawsuit filed in Los Angeles, Tyler, 60, said he didn't know the real names of those who have impersonated him and girlfriend Erin Brady on the Web, but he believes the same group was responsible for similar postings in 2007.

Getzel Rubashkin

Incidentally, the "wonderful investigative work" of the AP consisted of calling me up and saying "Jeff Abbas tells me you were involved with PostvilleVoices, can I ask you a few questions?" There was no need for "investigative work" because I was not hiding.

Your pal Jeff (I believe he "sockpuppets" as SOP2) could have told you about my involvement back when the blog first went up, and a simple phone call to any of the people videoed would have been all it took if you wanted to play investigator.

Getzel Rubashkin

Shmarya and "me": I did not make the comment attributed to John above.

John: Please contact me. I would appreciate any assistance you could give that would help set the record straight.

Jerome: There are at least 50-100 people I can think of that have access to computers on Agriprocessors premises that could have posted here. I have not examined the IP listings, but I have also on occassion posted from the Jewish library as well as the public library, and even, on occasion, from a private home. It is possible that comment not made by me share IP addresses with comments made by myself.

Shmarya: ++You left comments here – which you admit – using fake names.++

I have not made an official analysis but most of your commenters use fake or unidentifiable screennames: Archie, "me," Rebitzman, critical_minyan, ex-employee, steve etc etc.

I left comments here 7 years ago on a non-Rubashkin topic, using a screenname. Your attempt to make that sound criminal and a support for your ridiculous sockpuppeting allegations is disgusting.

rebitzman

++There are several free open source software tools that compare writing styles of anonymous authors to statistically determine the likelihood of them being written by the same primary author.++

Heck - we do the same thing at the office with an Excel spreadsheet (core use is to perform Hofstede Cultural Dimension Analysis) to do the same thing.

That said - thanks for the link. If there's a tool that is better than what we use now.......

rebitzman

++DSL does NOT mean static++

I believe STA does.

Anonymous

The Rubashkins would never tell a lie.

Never sell traif as kosher.

Never mistreat an animal.

Never mistreat a worker.

Never underpay a worker.

Never cheat them on a paycheck.

Never intimidate local butchers or restaurants.

Never hire a PR company to make fraudulent posts.

Never make fraudulent posts themselves.

Yeah Getzel. We believe everything you say.

Not.

critical_minyan

getzel,
I believe Shmarya. I think you are a liar. Nobody that I know believes you or your family.
I don't believe your words on this website and I don't believe that the meat your family serves is Kosher.
I once read a kids story in Artscroll or Feldheim press about 2 butcher brothers that sold treyf meat on purpose for many years in Europe. In order to do teshuva the big Rabbi of the town told them they had to walk from town to town in rags for many years not eating anything except what they could beg. It was kind of like the Jain practice of "taking dishna". I think you and family should consider doing something similar to that to return your families good name.
Good luck on your future teshuva.

Jerome Soller

My hopefully objective thoughts on the above discussion as a Computer Science PhD and president of a software company, not necessarily an expert in networking. It was not clear whether the Agri IPs were static or dynamic. Getzel could in ten minutes get information from the Agriprocessor system administration or their ISP to demonstrate whether this IP is definitely static or dynamic. In the absence of this, I believe it is static. Their ISP is netINS and they have approximately 16065 IP's, making it statistically near 100% likelihood that the messages were posted from the same subnet with Agriprocessors (and 100% if it is static).

It is correct that externally accessible static IPs don't change per computer, but rather per gateway or firewall. However, depending how a computer is set up, other information (beyond just the IP address) can also be pulled from a given desktop computer or cell phone with computer capabilities. I can not imagine an organization such as Agriprocessors having hundreds of computers. After all, their focus is slaughter, not software development. Getzel admitted in comments left on this blog to using two different computers in the plant, one in his department and one in his father's office. I would assume that they share the same subnet along with probably the computers for the company's most senior management, accounting / bookkeeping personnel, HR, and maybe marketing. I can only imagine that this is a relatively small percentage of their staff. Furthermore, I would assume that most of the staff that would be doing slaughter, not surfing the Internet and writing on blogs. I highly doubt that there are public access computers inside Agriprocessors with access to the Internet near the slaughter areas. Given that Agri supervisors limit even bathroom breaks, I can not possibly imagine any non-senior personnel having time and allowed use of computers to post on blogs. Shmarya did not post one piece of critical information, the times that "John" posted. If John's posts are in the middle of the day, John was acting as a representative of Agriprocessors. After all, would Agriprocessors let arbitrary employees post to blogs from the Agriprocessor offices while experiencing trouble with the feds during times that they are paid to work??? I highly doubt this.

My conclusion: The referenced posts may or may not have been written and/or posted by Getzel. They may have been written and/or by other senior personnel at Agriprocessors. However, I have no doubt that all of the above mentioned posts were coordinated with each other directly or indirectly and not spontaneous, isolated activities by lower level employees defending the honor of their management. Remember that Getzel stated that he wrote his own posts without assistance or coordination, in response to some of my earlier questions. At a minimum, there seems to be a coordinated effort by senior Agriprocessors personnel operating from the same computer subnet and posting during normal business hours.

One side note: My field of software research is artificial intelligence. There are several free open source software tools that compare writing styles of anonymous authors to statistically determine the likelihood of them being written by the same primary author. This field is called "authorship attribution." A friend of mine from years ago, Patrick Juola, is arguably the top US researcher in this area and has released open source software from the following site http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/19/19-2840.html
Shmarya, you may find this interesting, but I do not have time to look at their software and see how the writing styles of "John", "Peterson" and Getzel compare.

Best wishes to all (particularly members of the Rubashkin family who I have met or corresponded with on my personal email) for a healthy and prosperous New Year and a productive Yom Kippur full of Tshuvah.

Jerome

Jerome Soller

My hopefully objective thoughts on the above discussion as a Computer Science PhD and president of a software company, not necessarily an expert in networking. It was not clear whether the Agri IPs were static or dynamic. Getzel could in ten minutes get information from the Agriprocessor system administration or their ISP to demonstrate whether this IP is definitely static or dynamic. In the absence of this, I believe it is static. Their ISP is netINS and they have approximately 16065 IP's, making it statistically near 100% likelihood that the messages were posted from the same subnet with Agriprocessors (and 100% if it is static).

It is correct that externally accessible static IPs don't change per computer, but rather per gateway or firewall. However, depending how a computer is set up, other information (beyond just the IP address) can also be pulled from a given desktop computer or cell phone with computer capabilities. I can not imagine an organization such as Agriprocessors having hundreds of computers. After all, their focus is slaughter, not software development. Getzel admitted in comments left on this blog to using two different computers in the plant, one in his department and one in his father's office. I would assume that they share the same subnet along with probably the computers for the company's most senior management, accounting / bookkeeping personnel, HR, and maybe marketing. I can only imagine that this is a relatively small percentage of their staff. Furthermore, I would assume that most of the staff that would be doing slaughter, not surfing the Internet and writing on blogs. I highly doubt that there are public access computers inside Agriprocessors with access to the Internet near the slaughter areas. Given that Agri supervisors limit even bathroom breaks, I can not possibly imagine any non-senior personnel having time and allowed use of computers to post on blogs. Shmarya did not post one piece of critical information, the times that "John" posted. If John's posts are in the middle of the day, John was acting as a representative of Agriprocessors. After all, would Agriprocessors let arbitrary employees post to blogs from the Agriprocessor offices while experiencing trouble with the feds during times that they are paid to work??? I highly doubt this.

My conclusion: The referenced posts may or may not have been written and/or posted by Getzel. They may have been written and/or by other senior personnel at Agriprocessors. However, I have no doubt that all of the above mentioned posts were coordinated with each other directly or indirectly and not spontaneous, isolated activities by lower level employees defending the honor of their management. Remember that Getzel stated that he wrote his own posts without assistance or coordination, in response to some of my earlier questions. At a minimum, there seems to be a coordinated effort by senior Agriprocessors personnel operating from the same computer subnet and posting during normal business hours.

One side note: My field of software research is artificial intelligence. There are several free open source software tools that compare writing styles of anonymous authors to statistically determine the likelihood of them being written by the same primary author. This field is called "authorship attribution." A friend of mine from years ago, Patrick Juola, is arguably the top US researcher in this area and has released open source software from the following site http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/19/19-2840.html
Shmarya, you may find this interesting, but I do not have time to look at their software and see how the writing styles of "John", "Peterson" and Getzel compare.

Best wishes to all (particularly members of the Rubashkin family who I have met or corresponded with on my personal email) for a healthy and prosperous New Year and a productive Yom Kippur full of Tshuvah.

Jerome

Shmarya

Less than 2 weeks ago, someone tied to leave a comment using a spoofed IP.

It was immediately flagged as spam.

How do I know?

The person who did it sent me an email to tell me. He did it to test my system. His comment was flagged as spam.

Isaac Balbin

Shmarya, you have, at best, circumstantial evidence. If it was murder, based on what you have provided, there could be no conviction ... believe it or not, you can even spoof MAC addresses if you want to.

I don't know what the correct story is, but heck, this is all about PR and Spin --- from both sides. To claim that protagonists on both sides don't use different tactics with a similar aim would be fanciful.

One could argue there is potential G'neivas Daas here. That's true if you can scientifically prove your allegations --- "on the balance of probabilities" is not enough.

me

Getzel- that was dumb.

It seems a lot of weight is entrusted in the "Name" field just above. Can put whatever I like in there?

Shmarya

What's all this nonsense?? Getzel is NOT John; I am. If anyone needs an investigator, I would suggest not using the master of this blog!

As for style - so now you're an expert on similar styles?! Don't you see that I use more semi-colons?


Nice try, Getzel.

me

There are hundreds more Getzel comments on that IP. It would take me an hour just to pull them all up, copy them and post them.

before or after 07/11/2008?

I will have to trust your analysis of those IPs and logs...

I am still kinda miffed at being called full of it.

John

What's all this nonsense?? Getzel is NOT John; I am. If anyone needs an investigator, I would suggest not using the master of this blog!

As for style - so now you're an expert on similar styles?! Don't you see that I use more semi-colons?

Shmarya

There are hundreds more Getzel comments on that IP. It would take me an hour just to pull them all up, copy them and post them.

me

my comments above got mushed, sorry.
repost...

Check the population stats for NE Iowa in that area. It's like having 1.6 million IPs in NYC.

good point, let me check the geographic allocation area.

No. That is what you claim, without any proof.

huh, its your log (the JPG's) I am reading, thats all. Is there more information somewhere else that I missed?

me

Check the population stats for NE Iowa in that area. It's like having 1.6 million IPs in NYC. good point, let me check the geographic allocation area.

No. That is what you claim, without any proof.

huh, its your log (the JPG's) I am reading, thats all. Is there more information somewhere else that I missed?

Shmarya

and I just checked netINS is tiny!! they only have 16065 IP's, pleanty of overlap.

Check the population stats for NE Iowa in that area. It's like having 1.6 million IPs in NYC.

Well, it didn't "reset" for months and, when it "did" it was given to someone...

actually it went from john to peterson to getzel


No. That is what you claim, without any proof.

me

Well, it didn't "reset" for months and, when it "did" it was given to someone...

actually it went from john to peterson to getzel

me

In other words, you are, erm, full of it.
That's not nice, I am only commenting about the information you posted above from a technical point if view. Unless you have more information, I stand by my comments.


..and I just checked netINS is tiny!! they only have 16065 IP's, pleanty of overlap.

me

Rather looks like it from here - it's on a DSL line.

Curious as to what you are looking at.

DSL does NOT mean static.

Shmarya

...erm, cause its assigned to netINS not Agriprocessors, and netINS is the ISP and dishes them out as needed.

its common to hold the IP for months if the gateway never resets, once it resets, there is a 50/50 (or so) chance of getting your IP back.


Well, it didn't "reset" for months and, when it "did" it was given to someone who

a) Knows details about the Rubashkin family and Agriprocessors

b) Is an Orthodox Jew

c) works for Agriprocessors

And that person has never commented since using his previous aliases or any similar IP owned by the same ISP.

In other words, you are, erm, full of it.

me

Even if Getzel's claims are true – and they are not – someone from inside Agriprocessors left comments on this site defending Baruch Lanner and Agriprocessors

who is lanner?
but anyway, from the JPG's you posted you cannot say for sure that all those comments are from Agriprocessors, only that they are from in or around Postville.

rebitzman

++Not why you think 209.152.81.145 is static. Its not.++

Rather looks like it from here - it's on a DSL line.

Curious as to what you are looking at.

me

Why do you:

a) think it isn't static and,

b) think that Getzel used it for months uninterrupted if the IP isn't?

....erm, cause its assigned to netINS not Agriprocessors, and netINS is the ISP and dishes them out as needed.

its common to hold the IP for months if the gateway never resets, once it resets, there is a 50/50 (or so) chance of getting your IP back.


Shmarya

Classic Shmarya. Posts a smear, (stickies it?), says oh, and even if it's not true...

Classic Getzel – get's caught lying and smear the people who caught him.

What I actually wrote:Even if Getzel's claims are true – and they are not – someone from inside Agriprocessors left comments on this site defending Baruch Lanner and Agriprocessors.Now process, Rubashkin:

You created a blog and pretended it had no connection to Agriprocessors. You lied.

You left comments here – which you admit – using fake names. Some of those comments defend Agriprocessors. (You say THOSE comments aren't yours – only the other fake ones are.)

Pathetic.

Getzel Rubashkin

Classic Shmarya. Posts a smear, (stickies it?), says oh, and even if it's not true...

Shmarya

Not why you think 209.152.81.145 is static. Its not.

Peterson and john last comments are 17 days before getzel's comments.


Why do you:

a) think it isn't static and,

b) think that Getzel used it for months uninterrupted if the IP isn't?

Shmarya

And let me be clear. Even if Getzel's claims are true – and they are not – someone from inside Agriprocessors left comments on this site defending Baruch Lanner and Agriprocessors.

me

Not why you think 209.152.81.145 is static. Its not.

Peterson and john last comments are 17 days before getzel's comments.

Shmarya

also no, while its sounds like evidence, IPs are not identifying unless static or used multiple time in a short period of time. (
But we have exactly that here. Getzel left almost 50 comments per day some days using that same IP.

Shmarya

Continuing my above comment, it is a remarkable coincidence that an IP coming from inside Agriprocessors would be used by "John" and then be taken over by Getzel and, when that "takeover" happens. John stops posting.

We see from his comments that John is an Orthodox Jew, he works for Agri, and he's inside the company.

His writing style matches Getzel's.

And john later uses a Blackberry to comment.

me

It is ALMOST like someone saying "That is a lie. What identifying information other than fingerprints?
also no, while its sounds like evidence, IPs are not identifying unless static or used multiple time in a short period of time. (< 24hrs)

OK, enough. I go to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Shmarya

um, yes they are.
rather 216.9.250.97 is.

And the first is not.

John – who has the same IP as Getzel in the first series above, posts using a Blackberry in the second.

The other data matches the first John.

John stopped using Getzel's static Agriprocessors IP as soon as Getzel began posting using his own name.

Getzel Rubashkin

SOP: I have never used a Blackberry in my life.

me

OK, I just read through the JPGS above...
sorry for the mutiple comments to myself.

In a small ISP like netINS IP assignments will overlap very often actually, so while I cannot say for sure but it can happen that many visitors to this site will share an IP.
They are all certainly in or around postville, however.

me

um, yes they are.
rather 216.9.250.97 is.

me

Past that, the comments posted as jpgs above are NOT Blackberry IPs.

um, yes they are.

State of Postville

Getzel, you may not own a blackberry but I am sure that Agriprocessors does and lets you use it.

Getzel Rubashkin

Thank you "me." I am uninformed on the technical details but I appreciate the voice in the wilderness.

me

RIM has a huge # of IPs, not one or two. And I get many comments from people using Blackberrys – but only those I originally posted matched Getzel.

RIM owns exactly 3825 ip's, most are not used. Each carrier (ATT, Verizon, etc...) gets just one or two.

also
Unless you have the ISP's IP to MAC assigment log, the IP's mean nothing. Its a clue but not hard evidence.

rebitzman

++Past that, the odds of you and steve sharing an IP are astronomical.++

Current IP protocols allow for 4,294,672,296 combinations.

Getzel Rubashkin

SHmarya, your desire that I be deviously lying does not make it so.

I HAVE NEVER SENT ANY INFORMATION USING A BLACKBERRY. As a matter of fact, I have never done anything with a Blackberry other than turn one over in my hands and say "cool."

The IPs posted above will not show that I posted comments I did not post. If the commenter above is correct, anyone posting from Agriprocessors would or could have the same IP address.

Don't let that slow down the smear machine though.

steve

The Peterson posts and the upper case John posts were from the same IP as a Getzel Rubashkin post. Also, the style of John and Peterson are very similar to Getzel's. Notice that once he started posting as himself, John and Peterson stopped posting. If Getzel never used a blackberry to post, then how did John and Peterson get access to your computer? Perhaps these are other Agri employess, perhaps Chaim Abrahams or Heshey, or perhaps Getzel's dad???

Getzel Rubashkin

Isa: Or like calling someones bluff and saying, you say you have something else, what is it? Oh, you can't tell? Aha..

Shmarya

Listen, Getzel – you're far from honest, that's clear.

You don't own a Blackberry? Does the company own one you might use? Your wife? Your brother or father or friend?

Please.

Past that, the comments posted as jpgs above are NOT Blackberry IPs.

Got that, Getzel, er, John?

Getzel Rubashkin

++I did not conceal my involvement, and that is a documented fact.

I lie with alarming regularity now? Care to give an example that you are man enough to substantiate?

You just did it again.++

Whoa, there was a telling mark of maturity. You are an irresponsible child who uses his access to the internet to smear people without regard to truth or the consequences of your words.

Isa

Regarding the stupid comment
""That is a lie. What identifying information other than IP adresses?""

It is ALMOST like someone saying "That is a lie. What identifying information other than fingerprints?"

Getzel Rubashkin

Listen, clown. I know the truth. You cannot prove something that did not happen.

If the IP's match another commenter, it is either caused by the way IP's are assigned by the network or some other technical reason.

I don't know of any other identifying information that would be shared by commenting on a blog, but the information will reflect the fact that you are accusing me falsely. (Surprise, surprise)

Again, I DO NOT OWN A BLACKBERRY.

Shmarya

RIM devices all share one or two gateways, so anyone posting with a Blackberry would have the same IP.

RIM has a huge # of IPs, not one or two. And I get many comments from people using Blackberrys – but only those I originally posted matched Getzel.

Shmarya

I did not conceal my involvement, and that is a documented fact.

I lie with alarming regularity now? Care to give an example that you are man enough to substantiate?


You just did it again.

me

Neutral comment---
Just some background about those IP's they do not change per computer rather per gateway, so a large company can have 100's of computers behind one gateway (thats just how it works).
RIM devices all share one or two gateways, so anyone posting with a Blackberry would have the same IP.
AOL is also all behind one gateway, so any AOL users would share an IP address.

Just FYI.

Getzel Rubashkin

I did not conceal my involvement, and that is a documented fact.

I lie with alarming regularity now? Care to give an example that you are man enough to substantiate?

Shmarya

Steve already showed that your investigative methods are, shall we say.. faulty?

No, he did not.

Blackberry IPs are only a small part of the information I have on you, Getzel.

Past that, the odds of you and steve sharing an IP are astronomical.

That means something else happened with that one comment – something that is now being investigated.

Shmarya

False.

You concealed your involvement, Getzel.

Past that, you lie with alarming regularity.

As for what other information, I'll share that with the AP or with the Forward or JTA.

I'm not posting it here so you can add another line of lies.

Getzel Rubashkin

Steve already showed that your investigative methods are, shall we say.. faulty?

Getzel Rubashkin

You can call it whatever you want. My involvement was common knowledge from day one, you can ask your buddy Jeff, and the posts and videos are the words of the people. I helped provide the platform.

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