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July 21, 2008


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Yochanan Lavie

Plenty of shenanigans to talk about other than the Rubbishclan. What about molesters like Kolko who are protected by the old boy's network? Explain that away.

Un-Orthodox and Unimpressed

Does the blog-owner have a life other than this blog? Looks to me like he would be totally lost if this whole Rubashkin clan disappeared one day.


Just for the record, in regards to Alle, they do not own slaughterhouses and are not in the non-kosher meat business. They only contract for the glatt kosher meat. This is in contrast to Rubashkin where 70% of their output is (should be)non-kosher. Therefore, there are no issues of intentionally mislabeling at Alle. Secondly, the long list of health, safety, and environmental violations at Rubashkin were enough to bring on a Congressional hearing and a letter to the USDA from four prominent congressman demanding a remedy. Then there is the small issue of the ICE raid and the illegal immigrants, the worker abuse, the child labor, social security fraud, etc. I won't even get into the PETA video and the tzaar baalei chayim issue, or the messhichist shochtim issue. Face it, Rubashkin is second to none when it comes to corruption.


Only Yudel Shain, a pathetic individual whose ramblings clearly indicate mental illness L"A, would welcome a return of Alle to its former prominence

Kol Haposel Bemumo Posel.

He should have a refuah sheleima

Vechen Lemar!


Besides everything else, why would "Chabad", whatever THAT means, want to bother having an employee respond to your rants? Rubashkin is no more a "Chabad" institution than a Satmar owned business, be it the exemplary B&H or the despicable Allou, is a "Satmar" institution.

And you will find opinions of all sorts among Chabad chassidim when it comes to Rubashkin. This is especially the case when it comes to Moshe Rubashkin, who is most certainly NOT supported by all of Crown Heights.


Even though you work for Chabad?

Thanks for showing once and for all how sloppy your work is. I am not and never was employed by any Chabad organization. I am a private entrepreneur whose only ties to Chabad are that of a Chossid. I am not officially affiliated with any particular Chabad institution or even particulary active in my community in any formal way.

Thanks for the laugh and thanks for exposing the accuracy of your research.


Jason, I will contribute what I can to this as would many here I believe.


I am typing this from inside a trailer. So humor me a little. Can you please expand, elucidate, and provide details for the above re. Alle? I think you want to be read and taken seriously here so please provide all supporting data. Thank you.


Oh, and I am a private person, not representative of Chabad in any way regardless of my affiliation.

Even though you work for Chabad?


Oh, and I am a private person, not representative of Chabad in any way regardless of my affiliation.

I am also one of the many who sees right through Scott and his minions, because we all have had less than positive experiences in life, whether with Chabad or whatever, but the rest of us move on. Scott stays in his mud pit, trying to sling mud at his betters but missing by miles as he is so far down.


Your "sources" need serious help.


And the confirmed stories about the kashrus, quality and ethics of Alle make anything written about Rubashkin look like child's play.

More lies from Chabad.
My information about Alle comes from decidedly non-Chabad sources who avoided it because they knew the score, not because of any affiliation for or affinity with Chabad which avoids its products for other reasons (often in the breach as Alle, branded as Alle or Meal Mart as opposed to the meat and poultry that is sold through the Satmar community's own shops and is processed by Alle, is not Satmar shechita).


And the confirmed stories about the kashrus, quality and ethics of Alle make anything written about Rubashkin look like child's play.

More lies from Chabad.


Alle, which was the largest nationwide producer
And the confirmed stories about the kashrus, quality and ethics of Alle make anything written about Rubashkin look like child's play.

Only Yudel Shain, a pathetic individual whose ramblings clearly indicate mental illness L"A, would welcome a return of Alle to its former prominence. He should have a refuah sheleima as his ramblings are due to organic brain disease, which is what mental illness is, and a proper medication will soon be found.

In the end, Rubashkin/Agri will be fined and carefully watched. Moshe Rubashkin is a sideshow with NO connection to Agri as his father knows his children very well.

And Scott will fade back into the oblivion he deserves, remembered only by his dwindling minions of fellow travelers on the loser wagon. For him there is no treatment, because his is a case of jealousy and sloth.


Sparky –

It's a month-old article from the Mpls StarTribune.


Oooooo! Another dim bulb from Chabad.

Let me help you. The Mob control of shechita was a 50s and early 60s thing. By the mid 80s when Rubashkin entered the picture, there were at least a dozen small glatt producers nationwide, along with large non-glatt linked to Hebrew National, Sinai, Best, etc., and Alle, which was the largest nationwide producer, followed by International Glatt.

As for Rubashkin's "purity," wait – you'll learn much about your holy man as the Feds close in on him.


Not only is Scott bitter and jealous, but so is John K Diamond. They have failed, and they cannot stand it when their betters succeed, so they find agendas and blow problems of others way out of proportion.

Rubashkin brought down the kosher Mafia which had controlled meat before he expanded nationwide. It was an alliance of dubious producers with Cosa Nostra controlled truckers and shechita may well have been done in Cosa Nostra controlled UNION slaughterhouses.

Now, Rubashkin is far from perfect, but the real issue is that the Cosa Nostra wants to get their turf back. So, they use the unions they control to disrupt his business.

PETA, like Scott, is a sideshow, but the Jewish moisrim who were involved in that are beyond contempt. They put their version of animal welfare above human welfare. John K Diamond seems to be of similar deluded mind, but for all I know he could be made of the same defective stuff as Scott, who (de)merits his own paragraph as follows:

Scott cares little for animals or humans. He has failed in the kosher meat business as he has at everything else he has done except blogging in a way that attracts fellow cyber-trailer park residents. He is just using Rubashkin, Ethiopian Jews etc etc as a way of reinforcing his loserhood and showing he is somehow better than those who have done so much more than he ever will.

I pity Scott, and if he kept his ramblings in private, he would be truly deserving of help - and he still is. But he will only bite the hand that feeds him again and again. So, help must come from Above as no one on earth can or should risk their reputation and time to help Scott.

Disclaimer: No one is asking me to write here.

I have met Scott a few times and after hearing his harangues, I know of what I speak.

Meanwhile my only connection with Rubashkin is that I am friends with members of the family who do not bear the Rubashkin surname and are not involved in Agri or with Moshe Rubashkin. I also have spoken with Moshe Rubashkin for a few moments on several occasions and I agree that he is unbalanced, though he has done/tried to do much good for the Crown Heights community.

5W is a band of amateurs and Rubashkin's choice of them shows the firm's problems - it is run like a mom and pop haimishe operation when it really is a major national if not international business. Torossian is nuts; I remember his sites and other shticks from years ago.

Scott has only taken from others and has done no good for anyone, despite his supposed career as an activist for Ethiopian Jews. He, too, is nuts - but not, as a friend of mine calls Moshe Rubashkin - a gutte meshuggener - he is a hateful, hurtful loser who needs help but seems to be beyond human help at this point.


The OU states in its "Kosher Primer" that "...the kosher butcher plays a critical role in distributing the product. The butcher must be a person of integrity and the store should be under reliable Rabbinic supervision."

Given the criminal history of the whole Rubashkin clan, how can the OU continue to claim that the Rubashkins are people of integrity? And if they have no integrity, how can they continue to be certified kosher by the OU? This makes absolutely no sense, regardless of the supervision the OU provides at the plant. Why are the Orthodox so machmir that we will gasp when someone eats Hebrew National, but we will continue to eat Rubashkin? Why do we insist that Glatt is the only way to go, when the truth that our supposedly Glatt meat is not even truly kosher is right before our eyes?

Sometimes I feel like I am Neo, having taken the red pill, while the rest of the world (some of the present company excluded) is still trapped inside the Matrix.

Wake Up People!!!


Oops- www.lacrossetribune.com


Just to let everyone know, this Sunday, July 27, there is to be a "Peace Rally" and walk here in Postville; the local newspaper states that "the Rally is to call for immigration reform, justice for workers and family unity." It is being organized by St. Bridget Catholic Church, Jewish Community Action of St. Paul, Minnesota and the Jewish Council on Urban Affairs of Chicago, Ill. I believe it will bring huge public attention to what's been going on in Postville since the Rubashkins came to our town- or as Abe Bistritzky, a friend of the Rubashkin family says,"The Rubashkins took a town that had balls of hay rolling in it and they built up a community of approximately 120 Jewish families." Um, yeah, this is N.E. Iowa, and our "hay balls" (I think he meant bales) aren't rolling in our town, thanks, they are out in the hay fields where they always are! I hope you can check out the article I read in the LaCrosse, Wis. Tribune paper from Monday, July 21. It's quite good----- Sparky


I'm not sure I can be the one to actually bring the class action, but I am certainly happy to help where I can.

Yochanan Lavie

New nickname for "poor shnook" Moshe Rubbishcan: Don Kosherleone. He makes you an offer you can't digest.

Yochanan Lavie




The Maggie's Farm parody is one of your best yet. I can hear Dylan himself singing it. Maybe Matisyahu is a better choice.


Anyone working on any of this, just let us know what we can do.

John K. Diamond

One thing we should pray for is, that the ongoing Federal investigation will cast a very wide net, sending some in the OU to prison.

I'm open to any ideas re: a Jewish legalistic system.

But Jason's idea of a class action fraud suit has much merit.


John, I know of no one and I have long known it is a losing cause on paper so to speak but as you say it would bring public attention, invaluable public attention. We Jews should at least approach the matter through a Jewish legalistic system as well. We should dare to do this.

Yochanan Lavie

This was posted below, but also belongs here:

Bob Dylan's Postville concert continues:

I ain't gonna work for Rubbishcan no more.
No, I ain't gonna work for Rubbishcan no more.
Well, I wake in the morning,
Lost my hands and pray about the pain.
5Wankers got ideas
If you believe them, you're insane.
It's a shame the way they make me buy a used car.
I ain't gonna work for Rubbishcan no more.

I ain't gonna work for Shalom Rubbish no more.
No, I ain't gonna work for Shalom Rubbish no more.
Well, he hands the EPA a nickel,
He hands 5W a dime,
He does not care about sin
'Cause he has a life of crime,
He fines you if you're 5 minutes late through the door.
I ain't gonna work for Shalom Rubbish no more.

I ain't gonna work for Shalom's pa no more.
No, I ain't gonna work for Moshe Rubbish no more.
Well, he puts you in Nevel Housing
Substandard, just for "hicks."
Your bedroom window
It is made out of bricks.
The Immigration Service stands outside your door.
Ah, I ain't gonna work for Shalom's pa no more.

I ain't gonna work for Rubbish's PR no more.
No, I ain't gonna work for Rubbish's PR no more.
Well, it talks to all the suckers
About kosher and God and halacha.
Everybody says
It's the brains behind the mishpocha.
Ronn hangs with hos, but he says he's a nice bochur.
I ain't gonna work for Rubbish's PR no more.

I ain't gonna work on Rubbishcan's farm no more.
No, I ain't gonna work on Rubbishcan's farm no more.
Well, I try my best
To worship the "I am,"
But every rabbi wants you
To be just like them.
They preach while you slave and I just get bored.
I ain't gonna work on Rubbish farm no more.

John K. Diamond

[I also think they should be brought before a beis din. Win or lose, it should be done.

Posted by: yidandahalf | July 22, 2008 at 10:54 AM]

Do you know of anyone who could do such a thing?

It would be a losing cause, in my opinion, as any Beis Din would be packed in favor of the OU, but it would bring public attention to the issue and might make the OU move in the proper direction to establish, once and for all, truly humane and sustainable Kosher animal agribusinesses.

John K. Diamond


If we had our Prophets here today, corruption in Orthodox Judaism would be swiftly taken care of.

But we don't.

But history teaches that when enough "Common Folks" have had it, watch out.

Yochanan Lavie

John writes; This web site is in existence for uncovering and dealing with corruption in Orthodox Judaism.

In that case, this website will never run out of material. The prophets were lambasting this malfeasance over 2000 years ago.


I also think they should be brought before a beis din. Win or lose, it should be done.

John K. Diamond

[Shmarya is bitter/jealous

Posted by: | July 22, 2008 at 10:25 AM]

This is uncalled for.

This web site is in existence for uncovering and dealing with corruption in Orthodox Judaism.

Whovever you are, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Yochanan Lavie

Shmarya is bitter/jealous

Posted by: | July 22, 2008 at 10:25 AM

I'm jealous too. I always wanted to be a successful, yet repsected, criminal.

Yochanan Lavie

I guess Al Capone was a "poor shnook" because after all, the only they convicted him of, was tax evasion.

Shmarya is bitter/jealous

John K. Diamond

To add to my previous comment, I ran this idea of suing the OU through my contacts at PETA last year, who said that such a case would be a no-brainer.

Shmarya, what do you think?

Archie Bunker



John K. Diamond

Excellent point, Jason.

You're not alone in thinking of this.

This is a Federal Case, as interstate commerce was involved and I agree that the OU should be sued, as well.


If the government doesn't do its part to bring these gangsters down, there are things we can do, it just takes a little initiative. We could even do these things regardless of what the government ultimately does.

For instance, I'm surprised no one has brought a class action suit against AgriProcessors for fraud. To have a claim for fraud, a plaintiff must allege: (i) that a person/company knowingly misrepresented a material fact, (ii) upon which the plaintiff justifiably relied, (iii) resulting in an injury.

In a class action on behalf of all consumers of kosher products, we would need to allege that AgriProcessors knowingly labeled non-kosher meat as kosher or used non-kosher shechita methods for meat labeled as kosher, that consumers bought the meat only because they thought it was kosher, and were thereby injured. Based on some of the allegations I have read on this site going back several years, there is definitely a claim to be made. You never know if you have a winning case until you go to court, but the last thing AgriProcessors needs is to be hit from another front. There may also be a legitimate claim against the OU if they were certifying meat based on a standard different from the one articulated on their website. Someone may want to download info from their website now, before it suddenly "disappears."

Yossi G.

Before jumping to defend the "honor" of this man, bear in mind that he's been convicted before, he pled guilty here, he admits he's a fraudster and a thief, and there is a laundry list of things he's gotten away with, like the fortuitous arson in his building just before it was taken away, a fire that endangered the lives of firemen and neighbors because of chemicals in the building.

Also bear in mind the pattern here. This family is like the Jewish Gotti's! The father may be "ehrlich", but two sons in major trouble, and a son-in-law constantly on the brink of being indicted, indicate that something is seriously wrong in this family!

Some "kosher" we have, if the is the prime supplier! It makes the days of R. Joseph look still alive!


Ma Rabbi posted "Why are you so bothered by a poor shnook...."
I cannot answer for Shmarya but I pay taxes in the State of New York in addition to taxes in another state and of course federal taxes. So the poor shnook's antics bother me alot. If one doesn't pay any tax then it probably shouldn't bother one much, right? Some people even say that if you don't pay taxes you should not be allowed to vote.
Anyway, I didn't know Olmert was Orthodox. Enlighten me, Ma.


"combined with a neutered press release not distributed widely all looks kosher to you?"
Yeah, as kosher as the meat the Rubbish kin sell.
And we all know how in this country and in Israel money can buy anything at all with politicians in all politcal parties and in the judicial system, too. No surprise there.

A reader

If he goes to jail this week or 12 months from now, you can't rest at night until the man's in jail? What does that say about you? Let the justice system do its work.

I have a new name for this scandal: Rubbishgate.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | July 21, 2008 at 06:27 PM
You forgot to append a number!


ימח שמך and drop dead, scott.
- MP

Yochanan Lavie

Olmert's corruption doesn't justify what the Rubbishclan did. That's a red herring.

Archie Bunker


Was Moishe Rubashkin involved in the Postville Car Scam? said...
Court: Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 012640/2008
Case Type: Other
Track: Standard
Disposition Date: 05/02/2008
RJI Filed: 05/02/2008
Justice Name: MARTIN M SOLOMON (PT. 38)

There is a Richard Catena company that is a car wholesaler in New Jersey.


and for the production of documents by
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INDEX NO.: 1 ; , L 10 I I
For Use in an Action pending in the
State ofNcw Jersey entitled:
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Defend anis
DOCKET NO. BER-L-5914-05
An application having been made by the petitioner for the taking of- the deposition of MOSHE RUBASHKIN and for the production of documents by MOSHE RUBASHKIN pursuant to a coniniissioii issued in connection with an action pending in the State of New Jersey, Law Division, Super; x- Court, Bergen County; and upon reading the affidavit of Janine Bauer, Esq., a New York attorney sworn to jurat on April 23,2008,
together with the conimission, and it appearin ; that the taking of- thc tcstiniony of MOSHE RUBASHKIN and for the production of documents is necessary anti proper, it is hereby a.m. before a notary public, or other persons authorized to administer oaths in order to give testimony and produce documents. And it is further 7 I I ORDERED: That personal service of a copy of this Order and an appropriate New York Subpoena Duces Tecum Ad Tcstificandum shall be made upon the respondent on or before May rh g , 2008. And it is further ORDERED: that a copy of this Order and Subpoena be mailed or telefaxed to all attorneys in the out of state action on or before the above date.

Interesting case with Moishe Rubashkin said...
Bank Leumi was so angry over this case that Rubashkin settled out of court that years later they asked the judge to punish Rubashkin for his behavior in the courtroom by finding him in contempt. The judge declined in 2006 since it was 24 years after the lawsuit was brought.

Court: Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 015608/1982
Case Type: Other
Track: Unknown
Upstate RJI Number:
Disposition Date: 11/05/1986
Date NOI Due:
NOI Filed:
Disposition Deadline:
Calendar Number: 1986-025298M
RJI Filed: 09/09/1986
Jury Status:

Leibish Nash of Crown Hts Shomrim said...
I also asked the judge to find Moishe Rubashkin in contempt.

Court: Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 014904/2006
Case Type: Other
Track: Standard
Upstate RJI Number:
Disposition Date: 08/07/2006
RJI Filed: 05/15/2006
Jury Status:
Justice Name: MICHAEL A. AMBROSIO (PT. 31)

Ma Rabbi

Why are you so bothered by a poor shnook like Moshe Rubashkin? AG Mazuz has still not indicted Olmert despite the envelopes stuffed with cash. Despite the vacations for the Olmert family paid for with charity money. Yet, not one word about any of this on your blog in the last few weeks.



So leaving MR out of jail for months, undercharging him and not charging other family members who allegedly were involved, combined with a neutered press release not distributed widely all looks kosher to you?


Whether Meehan is, as you put it, "on the take," or whether he took the Rubashkin-Balkany family's status as major Republican contributors into question, or whether he did sloppy work doesn't change the fact that bad work was done.

Process that.


Anyone who does something Shmarya doesn't like is automatically on the take. Shmarya doesn't like what the US attorneys office is doing so they are on the take. You are beginning to sound hysterical.


spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin to the wonderful stories we weave...


What a legacy to leave a son and how pathetic that father and son will probably both go to prison.

Yochanan Lavie

I have a new name for this scandal: Rubbishgate.

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