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June 03, 2008

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"Kashrus agencies do not have the expertise, resources, or
enforcement powers to adjudicate such matters. "


Why is the same argument not made regarding rabbis/teachers who
Molest children. By now it is evident to all that the powers to be
cannot deal with this matter.


Secondly, the RCA fails to mention that we are dealing with a
company individuals with a history of wrong doing.


In addition they say do not jump to conclusion regarding the
boycott, however at the same time the mere rumor that the meat is
not kosher, then they, would approve a boycott in a NY minute


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Rubashkin


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Rubashkin


Posted by: | June 03, 2008 at 03:25 PM






This sounds like massive damage control. German citizens in WW II, even those who lived near concentration camps, did not see, did not hear and did not know despite the fact that the evidence was all around them.

While I do not intent to compare the genocide of the Nazis to the Rubashkin situation, it is also most interesting that many in the Jewish establishment also wish to wallow in blissful ignorance until numerous governmental agencies descend upon Agriprocessors for all to see.

Now the RCA makes self=serving statements of the "Mom and Apple Pie" variety while still hedging their bets with admonitions relating to the presumption of innocence.

They wish by this statement to be all things to all people. It demonstrates a lack of courage and will in its most fundamental way.

I now know what RCA stands for: Rejecting Credible Allegations.

however at the same time the mere rumor that the meat is
not kosher, then they, would approve a boycott in a NY minute

There are more than rumours regarding the non kosher status of the meat, but they willingly choose to ignore it. There is too much $$$$ at stake for all involved. Therefore the agencies and rabbinical authorities kow tow to Rubashkin's demands of no accountability regarding labeling and shipping, as well as no kashrus inspections with an appt. Add to that Weissmandel's $5,000 penalty clause for all workers to keep their mouth shut, and you start to get the picture of the kashrus coverup. Also, let us not forget the retired mashgichim still on the payroll.

The only thing proven against Rubashkin is that he hired illegal immigrants. So do half the business establishments in this country. I personally pay more money to buy David Elliot chickens and meat whenever I can. Because they have a higher standard of Kashrut.
Consevative and other Jews who are only marginally Kosher will not give up eating meat. If there is no Rubashkin meat in the supermarket, who knows what they will buy.

Consevative and other Jews who are only marginally Kosher will not give up eating meat. If there is no Rubashkin meat in the supermarket, who knows what they will buy.

Something kosher?

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The only thing proven against Rubashkin is that he hired illegal immigrants. So do half the business establishments in this country.

At the very minimum, he had many more illegals per capita workforce than others.

And you miss the entire idea of credible allegations backed up by pay stubs and other documents.

The availability of reliably supervised kosher meat (as with other kosher food) at a reasonable cost to the consumer is essential to Jewish life (and indeed to many who are not Jewish.) This requires an appropriate understanding of current business models as well as the requirements of Jewish law in providing and supervising such products.

Cheap "kosher" meat has fueled a level of carnivorous glutony that has almost literally reached biblical proportions of quails coming out the noses of frummies. It's yet another recent historical development that is being read backwards into the understanding of Jewish diet ideals - and I write this as someone who enjoys chicken on Erev Shabbat and an occasional beef/bison hamin.

Large companies can give discounts due to economies of scale. But once they drive their competitors out of business and become monopolies, or near monopolies (or collaborate with competitors to form trusts), they drive up their prices for their captive markets. So I am not sure Rubbishcan would remain cheap forever.

++Consevative and other Jews who are only marginally Kosher will not give up eating meat. If there is no Rubashkin meat in the supermarket, who knows what they will buy.++

Marginally kosher?

Well, as one of the "marginally kosher Conservative Jews" you describe, I can tell you that my family simply found another source. Had to pay extra for shipping, but keeping kosher was never about saving money.

rebitzman: right on, brother.

Coneservative Judasim is marginal interms of kosher meat consmption.
Approximatly 10% of self identified conservative jews keep kosher at home.

I wish the numbers were greater but they are not.

There are fewrelativly few conservative rabbinic hecsherem and they are generally given to smal local providers i,e, bakeries etc.

Also th eConservative movement in terms of kashrut on many ( not al issues ) tends to follow the guidelines found on the R. Abadi website vis a vis kashrut supervision and kosher foods.

As to the RCA and Orthodox Rabbinate. well this is wha is kosher. You can have a sote that has mainly illegal alien workers. Youcan bring dozens of cases were the storeowner has short changed the customers. Show that the sotre owner rewraps meat that past the sell by date etc. And the kashrut agency will say so?

Now if the sotre owne is going to violat emu;tiple state and federal laws to make abuck. Literally steal fomr customers etc , we shoul daccpet the kashruts agencies legitimacy if they continie to give a ecsher? Thats what they want.

As interesting side note. Ben;s Deli chain inthe NY area serves Hebrew National meat which i skoshe rbu tnot glatt. They ar eopen on shabbes. But they are CLOSED for Pessach. They sell food for pessach, kneideilach , gefilte fish but advetise that the food itself is not kosher for Passover. I would sooner eat in their facility than many places that have legitmate ortho hecsherim.

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