Aaron Rubashkin: "I wish everybody should be treated like we treat people"

Ben Harris of the JTA has an exclusive interview with Aaron Rubashkin, the owner of Agriprocessors, the world's largest kosher slaughterhouse and the target of the largest single immigration raid in US history.

And Aaron Rubashkin has news for you…

…everything you've read or heard about Agriprocessors is false. It is all one big lie:

Owner of embattled slaughterhouse charges allegations are a big "lie"
Aaron Rubashkin, outside his Brooklyn butcher shop on June 3, 2008, says his Agriprocessors firm "don't do no injustice to nobody, not to a cat."
By Ben Harris Published: 06/03/2008
NEW YORK (JTA) -- Aaron Rubashkin, the owner of the embattled kosher slaughterhouse Agriprocessors, denies he has engaged in unethical labor practices and blames the failure of U.S. immigration policy for his mostly illegal workforce.

In the first substantive comments by an Agriprocessors representative since the government rounded up more than a third of its employees on immigration charges in a May 12 raid of its Iowa plant, Rubashkin flatly denied allegations of worker mistreatment and plant mismanagement.

"Everything is a lie," Rubashkin told JTA.
In a more than hourlong interview May 30 outside his Brooklyn butcher shop in the heavily Orthodox enclave of Borough Park, the 80-year-old Rubashkin was visibly angered by the flood of charges that have imperiled his business, the country's largest kosher slaughterhouse.

The raid has reduced Agriprocessors' output significantly and sparked fears of a national shortage of kosher meat.

A government affidavit cites claims that the drug methamphetamine was being produced at the company's Postville plant, that undocumented workers were paid $5 per hour and that a Jewish kosher supervisor duct-taped a worker's eyes and abused him with a meat hook.

In the weeks since the raid, workers have also charged that female employees were offered improved working conditions in exchange for sexual favors and that underage workers were employed at the plant in defiance of Iowa labor laws.

"We got 21 or 23 inspectors," Rubashkin said in a thick Yiddish accent. "Every minute the plant is open, there is USDA inspector. We got maybe 30 rabbis. How can we do something which is wrong? If I want to, God forbid! We are ethical people. We don't do no injustice to nobody, not to a cat."

Dressed in a blue cotton shirt and black fedora, Rubashkin acknowledged that he was concerned the company may be brought up on criminal charges, but said he was "a hundred percent confident" that he would prevail in court.

"I believe in the American system, and I did nothing wrong," said Rubashkin, who opened his shop in 1953, the same year he emigrated from Russia.

Asked why he was replacing his son Sholom as vice president if the charges are phony, Rubashkin threw back his shoulders and arched his eyebrows.

"For the business," he said. "In order to enforce, after such a shock, we want to beef up management -- change management, change rules, to do different ways."

Rubashkin emphasized that the management change was for the sake of the company, "not for the people."

"We treat people -- I wish everybody should be treated like we treat people," he said.

Agriprocessors sells meat products under various labels that include Aaron's Best, Rubashkin's, Shor Habor, Iowa's Best Beef and Supreme Kosher.

Federal authorities have not brought criminal charges against the company or its executives. The bulk of the accusations, particularly those concerning worker mistreatment, remain unsubstantiated.

But nearly 300 former employees have pleaded guilty to various forms of fraud involving fake work documents and are facing deportation. The affidavit cites claims that Agriprocessors had assisted workers in securing false documentation.

Rubashkin denied underpaying his workers, saying that all new hires start at $8.60 per hour -- above the federal minimum wage of $5.85, that workers are paid time-and-a-half for overtime and that they are provided with paid vacation and health care. He further said he had no idea that his workers were illegal and that they had produced what appeared to be legitimate work documents.

The affidavit states that Agriprocessors received five separate notices from the Social Security Administration of 500 Social Security number discrepancies.

"People coming there looking for jobs -- they bring ID with a photo, with a number," Rubashkin said. "With the same card the person go to the bank. With the same card he got his credit card. With the same card he bought a car."

"19 million illegals here? I don't bring 'em here. I pay taxes and the government supposed to control the stuff."

Rubashkin also had harsh words for the media, which he mockingly referred to as the "free press" and twice compared to the Soviet, state-run media.

"A lynching press," he called it.

He accused the media of harping on the negative and ignoring the good he has done for the Postville community. Rubashkin said he offered full medical coverage to workers and their families, paid for cancer treatments for sick workers at the renowned Mayo Clinic 100 miles to the north and helped set up a day-care center for the children of employees.

Rubashkin sees himself as a victim of an immigration system that Washington has steadfastly refused to fix. He has bitter words for the Jewish social justice activists who have spoken out most vigorously since the raid.

The Conservative movement has urged kosher consumers to "consider" whether they should purchase Agriprocessors' products, while Uri L'tzedek, a social justice initiative launched by liberal Orthodox rabbinical students, circulated a petition threatening a boycott of the company.

"I'm against tzedek?" Rubashkin asked, using the Hebrew word for justice. "It's a very nice word, but what kind of tzedek? Tzedek is when you give a person what to live. Tzedek is when you give 'em a salary he should be able to pay rent. Tzedek is when you sick, you should have a doctor. This is tzedek."

Long prominent in the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, Rubashkin was interrupted several times during the interview by well-wishers, including a bearded man who used a Hebrew expression to wish Rubashkin success in his business. And while the butcher himself was loath to speculate on why he was being singled out, his customers were not so reticent.

"It's only anti-Semitism," said a woman who identified herself only as Esther, as she wheeled a half-dozen Rubashkin's bags to her vehicle.

Esther compared Rubashkin's plight to that of Jonathan Pollard, the former U.S. Navy intelligence analyst who was slapped with a harsher sentence -- life imprisonment -- for spying for Israel than others who had spied for enemy states.

"Everything is the same," Esther said.

Other customers offered different theories to explain the controversy swirling around their longtime neighborhood butcher.

"I think they took him as a scapegoat because he's a big company," said a Borough Park resident who identified himself as Motti. "All the big guys suffer at the end. What's his name, Mike Tyson, was put into jail because he had too much money. O.J. Simpson was nailed in some ways because he has a lot of money. And on and on."

Though their explanations differed, all agreed that they would continue to patronize Rubashkin, even if the charges against him were proved to be true.

The Orthodox Union, by contrast, one of two kosher certification agencies supervising Agriprocessors, has said it would withdraw supervision if charges are brought against the company.

"I would have a problem, but I again realize that the world has come to that," said customer Shaya Mayer. "Nobody cares about somebody else. The meat's nice, the meat's good, I'm going to continue to buy it."

Unlike his customers, Rubashkin refused to endorse the anti-Semitism thesis as the explanation for his troubles -- but he didn't seem entirely unconvinced, either. Several times he invoked classical anti-Semitic canards, like the infamous libel that Jews used the blood of Christian children to bake matzah, to underscore what he sees as the baselessness of the claims against him.

"We got a big mess, no question about it," he said. "Why? Because somebody say I was 15 years when I came to work there."

Perhaps Aaron Rubashkin should take another look at his own history:

1. Aaron and Moshe Rubashkin Steal Union Dues.
2. Agriprocessors refuses to pay for a work-related illness.
3. Illegally refuses to bargain with the union.
4. Agriprocessors' Role in the Allou Healthcare Fraud.
5. Forward 2006 Exposé of Agriprocessors' Abuse of Workers.

Comments

[formely frum]

"Though their explanations differed, all agreed that they would continue to patronize Rubashkin, even if the charges against him were proved to be true.

This is most telling of the heridie community and sad. As usual real evidence does not have any effect on their thoughts or actions. And this is why the heridie community will never clean house. Very sad and scary

[rebitzman]

I have PERSONALLY run up against this family - simply trying to buy meat for the Jewish community in Oklahoma City. If he REALLY wants everyone to be treated the way his family (as demonstrated by his son Heshy) treated us - he is one sick bastard.

Heshy refused to take our calls for months - and when he finally DID talk to us he told us he'd sell us meat but we'd have to take delivery on Shabbes - take it or leave it.

[Paul Freedman]

halevih

[steve]

The best part of the article was the guy that compares Rubashkin to Mike Tyson and OJ Simpson. LOL!

[Yochanan Lavie]

Steve: Mike Tyson, but not Tyson's Chicken (LOL).

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[uncle joe mccarthy]

i must hand it to rav rubashkin...he has been in this country for over 50 years, has yet to master the language, and yet has been able to master spin as good as a wingnut spokesman

thats right...blame the government for the fact that 300 of your employees were illegals...thats a good one

blame the press for not noting all the good that you do...although you cant really document that good

wait till it comes out as to how many of his employees families recieved some sort of government aid

glad to see he isnt the slightest bit ashamed of the chillul hashem he has caused

[formely frum]

Shmarya

I think you are a fair person and would give Rubashkin equal time.

therefore, To the people who defend Rubahskin and some say you know him or his family. Please contact Rubashkin and ask him to post the health plan contract that he provides for ALL his workers, not just the Rabbies. In he does not want to do that, a letter from an insurance company stating that Argiprosseing has an insurance policy for his workers. That should not be to hard if true. Or at the least find some workers who are willing to defend him and his company. I am sure Shmarya would post it.

Funny, has anybody found workers who say Rubashkin is a good boss, who pays well and treats workers fairly? I did not. Maybe Rubashkin defenders can find them interview them and thereby help their innocent friend.

[yidandahalf]

The only thing I found remarkable ( apart from some of the gems the above commentors pointed out ) is the old man's not using the anti-semitism card. Is it because he witnessed the Holocaust himself and is loathe to use this on his enemies knowing what true anti-semitism is and is not and whence it comes?

[Shmarya]

No. It's because he has Menachem Lubinsky and others to do it for him.

[Shmarya]

Please contact Rubashkin and ask him to post the health plan contract that he provides for ALL his workers, not just the Rabbies.

I tried several times in 2004 and 2005 to speak with Sholom M. Rubashkin. He refused.

His spokesperson – who promised me copies of audits and other documents – never sent them. He later told me he "changed his mind."

He has an insurance plan for employees. Most undocumented workers could not afford it. No surprise when an undocumented worker is making $5 or $6 per hour…

[Michael]

I guess the only good thing I have seen come out about this whole mess occurred at Shalom's Kosher Market in Wheaton, Maryland. While I was there, a number of patrons asked the staff the origins of their meat, stating that they would NOT buy product sourced from Agri. Fortunately, DC is close to Baltimore, and the staff was quick to point out that although he carries a small quantity of Agri processed products (for those customers who will ONLY purchase Rubaskins), his uncooked meats come from Ruppersberger and Treuth. Both are Baltimore based companies under the Star-K. I was told that based on customer feedback, the store may be re-evaluating its relationship with Agri, one of the comments being "I'm not sure how much longer they'll even be in business."

For poultry, Mifflintown, PA is only a little over 2 hours north of DC.

IMHO, the sooner Agri goes out of business the better. I just hope a responsible company can commence operations in Postville, so the local economy doesn't suffer irreparable harm.