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June 05, 2008

Girl Attacked By Haredi Modesty Patrol, Burned By Acid

Beitar Illit (also known as Meah Shearim 2) has been the scene of a lot of haredi extremism. Nothing, however, is as bad as what happened to a 14 year old girl, as…

Ynet reports:

'Modesty patrol' suspected of spilling acid on teenage girl
Religious tensions at boiling point in Beitar Illite as 14-year-old girl attacked by member of town's 'modesty guard'

A 14-year-old girl from Beitar Illite was taken to the Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in Jerusalem after an unknown person spilled acid on her face, legs and stomach, causing light burn wounds.

The act has been attributed to a representative of the so-called 'modesty guard' in this town where religious and secular residents are increasingly at bitter odds.

MDA received the call just before midnight on Wednesday and paramedic Dror Eini who arrived on the scene to treat the girl also managed to calm her down enough so she could explain what had happened.

Eini told Ynet that “the modesty guards have been threatening her for quite some time.” According to the paramedic the focus of the threats has largely been the victim's 18-year-old sister and some suspect the attacker mistook the younger girl's identity for that of her older sister's.

Eini said the teenager was in a difficult emotional state: “She cried the whole way to the hospital, partly because she was in pain but mostly because she was terrified.” According to Eini at the time of her attack the girl had been wearing loose-fitting long pants and a short-sleeved shirt.

“If she would have been wearing the same thing in Jerusalem or in Tel Aviv, she would not have stuck out in any way,” he added.

An ultra-Orthodox teen from Beitar Illite who is in contact with the girl’s family spoke with her sister who described the incident. According to the boy, the attacker stopped the girl and first asked her for directions. Then, after confirming her surname, he spilled a bottle of acid on her.

The girl was released from the hospital on Thursday and the police sent samples of the liquid she was attacked with for analysis.

According to the young man, her family is under severe pressure. “What makes the treatment of this case so problematic is the feeling that there is no one to talk to in this city and no one wants to find a solution to this problem.” Fingers are being pointed towards the municipality for failing to treat troubled youths.

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This is the kind of story I expect to come out of Iran. Completely unacceptable. Everyone involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

This is getting absolutely ridiculous! - I was told that the entire event was a complete accident - someone bumped into him while he was getting directions and he spilled some orange juice on her and now they are blowing it up big time by using the term "acid" which is basically true because it is CITRIC acid. Let's see if we hear the results of the "investigation" into the liquid used - that will be the true litmus test on how legitimate this story is...

Ratso: Litmus test! A who says secular learning is a waste.

Ratso - what a crock of bull malarky. Children spill OJ on themselves every day and nobody ever got burned from it. Whoever told you that was a liar, period - a liar with an aganda to smear the victim. A liar who obviously endorses violence against women - a coward, in other words.

And Fred, if he's dumb enough to buy that explanation then I doubt he has much of any type of education, much less a scientific one.

B"H
Terrible. May she have a refua shleima (complete recovery).
Whoever did it should be caught and made to pay restitution for all the medical treatment she will have to go thru as a result of this and punitive damages.
He should also learn something like this:
Sichos In English
Volume 47
Every Jew Has A Silver Lining
http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/sichos-in-english/47/03.htm
by heart to make sure he doesn't even have a desire to ever do such a thing ever again and his teachers should also temper their lessons on the importance of tznius (modesty) with lessons on the importance of loving ones fellow Jews in general and when trying to encourage more tznius dress in ones community in particular.

This is getting absolutely ridiculous! - I was told that the entire event was a complete accident - someone bumped into him while he was getting directions and he spilled some orange juice on her and now they are blowing it up big time by using the term "acid" which is basically true because it is CITRIC acid. Let's see if we hear the results of the "investigation" into the liquid used - that will be the true litmus test on how legitimate this story is...

Posted by: Ratso | June 05, 2008 at 01:06 PM

I hope Ratso is playing devil advocate and is having some fun here, since even a cult member cannot be that blind

I hope Ratso is playing devil advocate and is having some fun here, since even a cult member cannot be that blind

I'm pretty sure that he is. It reads like a parody of the comments made by people who like to believe that all such incidents are complete fabrications and media distortions.

That there are, in the first place, people who would post things like this FOR REAL, the reason some thought that Ratso was serious . . . that's pretty sad.

Why was she wearing pants and short sleeves in a haredi neighborhood?

it was shmarya's ex-girlfriend

Meyer,

It's like asking what is a white man doing walking in Harlem? Or a Jew walking through the Arab market in the Old City? I guess she was taunting them and asking for it. You think they went too easy on her?

The stupid, idiotic , bullying, holier-than-thou, self-righteous, thugs.

Way to go.

Light unto the Nations and all that, eh?

No.

This is the type of company they're throwing in with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_attack


NOW is the time to put pressure on these communities and our so-called leaders to STOP this insanity.

A while back, it was women being verbally harrased. Then there were reports of people spraying the offending clothing with bleach. Right then, I thought to myself, "I hope they don't start with the acid, like in Pakistan, etc."

Today, we have a report of acid - and thrown not just on the clothing (bad enough) but on the girl's face as well. Thank G-d it sounds like she will be okay. However, anyone who thinks that this is an isolated incident or that it is not just a tentative step in a very wrong direction is fooling themselves. (I so hope that I'm wrong.)

What really bothers me about this, aside from the horror of the attack, is that we all know that even though a 14-year old girl had acid thrown in her face, the residents of these communities won't do anything about it.

Unlike some Muslim men (which surprised me to read) . . .

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/2000-muslim-men-protest-against-acid.html


Will the Israeli government have to step in like this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1487395.stm


Why was she wearing pants and short sleeves in a haredi neighborhood?

Because she felt like it and she has the legal right to do so?

So if a charedi guy gets beaten up in an ultra secular Tel Aviv neighborhood for dressing in a black hat and jacket, would you ask "What was he doing dressed like a charedi in a secular Tel Aviv neighborhood?"

Why was she wearing pants and short sleeves in a haredi neighborhood?

Excuse me are you serious, Israel is a free country last time I checked? It is not like she was wearing a bikini.

And if you and haredi want to play that game I think it would be fair play for people like me to throw acid at anybody who wears a shtrameil, since I feel making a shtrameil involves animal cruelty.

Meyer has a good point. Why should this girl have expected any other response? This behavior by these self-appointed "tznius patrol" has become accepted and expected. Their message is very clear: "Outsiders are not welcome. Either conform or be ready to get assaulted!"

She has a right to dress as she wants. These "Religious" people should learn tolerance. If this would have happened to a Charedi individual they would respond quite differently I am sure. Being "Frum" also means being compassionate and understanding. There is no excuse for this behavior of violence. BTW I am a musmach from Monsey of as charedi yeshiva and chassidish. I mention this so as to curb the comments which may come from my post.

Why was she wearing pants and short sleeves in a haredi neighborhood?

Because she lives in a free society?


/BTW, nice of job blaming the victim. Do you have a source in the Torah for that?

In a normal society, the men protect females and children. In Beitar Illit, they throw acid on them.

more insanity from Haredi Judaism

Send out the draft notices!
Cut state funding for any yeshivat that doesn't fly Israeli flag

If the allegations as stated prove to be true, I'd like to see whether the so called Gedolim of Betar Illit and elsewhere put out a Kol Koreh condemning such despicable assaults.

More Chareidi thuggery, this time in the United States:

Poll workers say jeering crowd egged them

Deport the acid throwers to Saudi Arabia where they belong.

On the surface, assuming the details of this story is true, Haredi violence invites comparison to the Modesty police of Iran. There needs to be more police in Mea Sherim to make sure these episodes of violence don't continue. Whether it be beating a woman who goes on a Haredi bus, or assaulting a young girl--we are witnessing the kind of sinat hinam that destroyed Judea nearly 2000 years ago. Have we not learned anything from our past? It's bad enough that we have the Muslim fundamentalists out to destroy us, must we assist them with our own people? Something is seriously wrong with this picture.

Deport the acid throwers to Saudi Arabia where they belong.

If someone did this to my sister, I would take the guy to an abandoned house and nail/glue his "unit" to the floor. Set the house on fire and leave a dull knife within arm's reach.

My wife, my daughter, my granddaughters, do not wear slacks. My neighbor's wife, does. It's none of my business what my neighbor's wife wears.

If you believe that a religious way of life is better than a more secular choice SHOW BY EXAMPLE how religiousity makes you better.

Burning a young girl's face will only make her HATE religion and its followers.

Even in a Torah based theocracy, there is no corporal punishment prescribed for "immodest" dress. There are prohibitions against assault.

There are other cases like this up on The Awareness Center's site
http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/modestypatrol.html

these people are no better than the taliban

what they do has nothing to do with being frum

You know I read a very smart comment on Pinchas. You know the kanai who killed Zimri. This man stated that the problem with kanaus today is that unlike Pinchas, if there is in the kanai even .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000015 of any ulterior motive when he/she commits an act of kanaus, its an aveirah. If the kanai kills someone with that % of ulterior motive then he is a murderer, an outright rotzeach. If its just an assault then he is guilty of of that. Kanaus has to be absolutely pure. Now who among us can say we are pure. Even among the haredi. they need to think about that. And the Rabbis in the yeshivas need to teach them that. there are no pure people. therefor all kanaus should be banned. hey!! Just like Lipa was (grin).

The two biggest threats facing Israel are Muslim fundamentalism and "Jewish" fundamentalism (not mainstream orthodoxy). Muslim fundies make common cause with leftists, even though they will string them up if they win (like Iran after the revolution).

Israeli secular parties make Faustian bargains with our own fundies, in order to support settlements (or the "peace" process, as the case may be), etc. They bribe them with money and power, and secretly hope that they will give Judaism such a bad name that no sane person will want to be religious.

that was supposed to be .000000000000000000000000000000000001 %

Even in a Torah based theocracy, there is no corporal punishment prescribed for "immodest" dress. There are prohibitions against assault.

That bears repeating.

And repeating.

And posting up on the streets of charedi neighborhoods.

And taught in their yeshivot.

And broadcast via loudspeakers in charedi neighborhoods at least once every hour.

You made a VERY good point, one that seems to be overlooked all the time.

How is the story different from Rav Ada bar Ahava in Brachos, who attacked a woman who he thought was dressed inappropriately? She turned out to be a gentile, and he had to pay a fine, but if were Jewish it would be an appropriate reaction. Jewish Taliban is nothing new!

Dennis, because she wasn't jewish it doesn't mention what he would have had to do. The fact he got it wrong shows even someone on such a level makes serious mistakes means that no one is allowed to attack anyone for whatever reason.

Seriously, Jewish women need to carry pepper spray or mace if they want to walk in these neighborhoods. Might I also suggest mandatory krav maga lessons to Israeli women who dare live near these "holy places." Let's see how brave those mamzers are when these women can fight back!

Seems to us to plainly be an other obvious manifestation - rerun - replay of "The Ancient male domination -power -control -bullying syndrome - in the guise - camoflague - drag of religion - religiosity -has not yet been put to rest in these spiritually infantiles....If God is love -Love -LOVE lets see real manifestations of love in all of its glory and we might just like - want to join:"Their sandpit - pigbog - religion(s)".
As long as these intellectualy berift - spiritual midgits who can neither read or count proiperly continue to mount any attack on unsuspecting juveniles - women - or innocent peaceab;le citizens, the object of their assault has under ancient common law "The right to use lethal force if they fear for their lives" and we would encourage - teach all of our females just exactly how to use lethal force if ever attacked by such deceitful - barbaric behaviour.At least give your women pepper spray - tazers asap!!
Afa Hanawhiti E &OE

that explanation of the battery acid just being orange juice is awesome. Who could ever come up with such a great explanation ? especially the link for the two being acid

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