David Kelsey has a series of interviews with "Seth," a recent student at Jerusalem-based Ohr Somayach, the premier haredi yeshiva for English-speaking ba'al teshuvas. Here's an excerpt:
…“Is scientific method accepted? What is O.S.’s position on evolution? What is the position on Rabbi Slifkin?”
Scientific method is certainly not accepted and neither is evolution. A rabbi tried to disprove evolution by saying that the heat of the flood when Noach was saved has altered the earth’s make-up to the point that carbon dating was impossible. One rabbi presented an idea from Talmud that a baby’s sex is determined after a certain number of days. This has been proven absolutely false by doctors. I tired to show him an article from a medical journal showing otherwise. He refused to read it. Another rabbi suggested that spending money on medical research is a waste because a cure for cancer will not come from scientific breakthrough but through prayer. He insisted that if we took that money and gave it to kollel families, we would get a cure for cancer much sooner.
“What is the position of Ohr Somayach on college studies for high school graduates? Does Ohr Somayach discourage or advocate postponement of college education to its students who have not yet attended or finished college?”
Absolutely. As I said, convincing people to drop out of law school was seen as a victory. Many students came for a year before they intended to go to college and have simply never left. I would guess that of the high school students who attend OS, less than half will go on to college and of the college students who take a year off to attend, less than half will ever go back.
“Is the western world taught as incomplete in terms of what it offers a traditional Jew, or is it presented as depraved in its entirety and engagement presented as something to be avoided? Does Rabbi Weinbach (the Rosh Yeshiva of Ohr Somayach) consider the secular world in its entirety an “environment of sin?”
Absolutely. I had one rabbi tell me that “nothing good” has ever come or ever will come out of secular society. I suggested that things like the automobile, airplane, the space program, the cure for polio, the progress made in treating illness were all pretty good things. He replied that it wasn’t worth it. That these things cost too much and that it may be fine for the goyim, but it’s not our place.…
Is Ohr Somayach a cult? Read this and decide:
…“Are students encouraged to disengage from the world to the point of not even reading newspapers?”
Completely. I would estimate that less than 5 percent of students read a newspaper on even a weekly basis. I read three papers a day before arriving and this was amongst the hardest part of the transition. I was told that there was nothing in the newspaper I needed to read and that I wasn’t missing anything. Having an interest in anything other than yeshiva is discouraged. Because there is no internet on campus and it is not allowed in the apartments and because the charedi neighborhood does not sell secular newspapers, keeping in touch with the world is incredible difficult. They say this is their goal. They think yeshiva should be about “leaving the world behind and concentrating only on studying.…
Much more over on DK's blog …
Apparently this is a Chabad-bashing only blog.
Posted by: dawkins | January 04, 2008 at 01:47 AM
What do you expect from rabbis? Of course rabbis will take the toughest positions. But you don't have to agree with everything your rabbi believes.
You're so pessimistic, it's disgusting. Ohr Semeach is a wonderful institution. If you are willing to call this a cult, then you should call all of Judaism a cult.
Posted by: Patrick Keefe | January 04, 2008 at 01:52 AM
Fools are fools.
If there were not Modern Orthodox, Conservative or Reform movements I would probably have long time ago rejected any belief of a divine origin of the Torah and Judaism in general.
OS rabbis think to be more Jewish and righteous than anybody else. If their approach is "right" I would see no reason why not become a fundamentalist Muslim and move to Afganistan to study and live this "truth".
Posted by: Misnaged | January 04, 2008 at 01:54 AM
Well meaning friends tried to convince me to go to the Happy Light yeshiva. I resisted, and I'm glad I did (although the haters here would wish I'd gone).
Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | January 04, 2008 at 06:36 AM
It's ironic then, isn't it, that so many of OS's facilities are paid for by donations from those grads or their families who rejected their holy advice to stay and learn but instead went out and made a good living.
Why do some parts of the Chareidi world treat hakaras hatov as a form of avodah zarah?
Posted by: Garnel Ironheart | January 04, 2008 at 07:26 AM
They are all cults. In the same way that younger youth join the Triad and for the same reason. It's just a cult syndrome. What established, adjusted people come under these malignant crows' power? Look at meyer, a perfect example - brainwashed. What do these modern parasites have to do with the Besht? They and others call themselves Hasids. It's a shande! The biggest shande for Klal Israel that has ever been. How many FM readers and commenters are missing ancestors because of the Holocaust. IMAGINE, our ancestors were burned up BUT some people survived and made their way to America and Israel. And what did they manage to spawn? If the thin blue ( or black ) line breaks, well, the goyim will go on a jew hating frenzy for sure. To the educated idiots that read jewschool and ask "Why is there still antisemitism and what can we enlightened, ivory tower jewish people do about it? It just must stop, it just must. blah..blah...blah...." Look around you if you can, which I doubt. The kikes in black will cause such a tide of it such has not been seen. The corruption of the haredi is increasing by the day, and being exposed likewise. The feelings of hopelessness and sorrow this corruption brings on to us sometimes seems overwhelming. It seems many times there is no hope. But I know this is really not so. It may take some time but we will prevail; the light will prevail. We are on right path and WE WILL PREVAIL. BARUCH HASHEM!!!
Posted by: yidandahalf | January 04, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Apparently this is a Chabad-bashing only blog.
????????????
Ohr Somayach isn't Chabad, they aren't even Chassidic. They're Charedi.
Posted by: | January 04, 2008 at 09:50 AM
I like how they have a fully functioning and extensive web site but "there is no internet on campus and it is not allowed in the apartments".
The more naive might see the web site and think, "They have a site, so they're probably not like the anti-internet nuts." Then they get there.
Posted by: | January 04, 2008 at 09:56 AM
Ohr Somayach was one of the better things that happened to me- however I have my own brain and took the good and rejected the crxp. Somebody tried to get me to wear a tallet catan and I knew that it wasn't required-that approach turned me off. In my brain I said "fxxk yxu" But it was a positive experience otherwise, some guys swallowed the whole thing. They assigned me an habruta (study partner) I said "do you know the Sephardi accent?" he did not and I went to the big rabbi and requested someone that knew the accent and got a Sephardi BT.
Now IF there was a Sephardi ohr somayach, then MAYBE I may have swallowed the whole thing.
Posted by: Isa | January 04, 2008 at 10:03 AM
to Mr. ?????????????. Gotta name or id buddy? ANYWAY, somebody else wanna reply to this lightbulb? I prefer something more challenging.
Posted by: yidandahalf | January 04, 2008 at 11:19 AM
to Mr. ?????????????. Gotta name or id buddy? ANYWAY, somebody else wanna reply to this lightbulb? I prefer something more challenging.
What was so wrong with my clarification of the comment left by "dawkins"? It was implied by "dawkins" that this blog is only for bashing Chabad. That comment was left in a thread related to criticism of Ohr Somayach. Ohr Somayach was founded by Rabbi Noach Weinberg, and he is not a Lubavitcher and OS does not have any Chabad affiliation. So, I pointed out that not only is Ohr Somayach not a Chabad yeshiva, it is not even a Chassidic yeshiva.
What was your problem with that?
Posted by: A Brighter Bulb Than You | January 04, 2008 at 01:56 PM
I regret my choice not to go to Ohr Somayach when I was younger, but at the same time I would've probably been crucified for preferring my asthma meds over 'prayer'. Like somebody else said, you have to have a mind of your own. Take their Torah and spit out the husk. That's the only way to save Israel and God from them.
Posted by: Yos | January 04, 2008 at 02:22 PM
Isa, if there was a Sephardi Ohr Sameyach, they would encourage people to earn a decent living, and they'd talk about being kind to be people of all faiths. If there were a Sephardi Ohr Sameyach. If I had a couple of million bucks to throw I'd fund a group of Sephardic Yeshivot which would do outreach to all Jews and all humanity, and which has mussar lectures and business ethics lectures, etc., and promotes that all humanity can find deep meaning in Torah, not only Jews. We have some beautiful philosophy in Judaism, but we hide it under a barrel and the result is that cultists speak for us. We're supposed to be "a nation of priests, and a holy people". But we're only supposed to study Torah according to the "black hatter" version-Not !
Posted by: Dave | January 04, 2008 at 06:52 PM
A Brighter Bulb, you are certainly correct. I did not see dawkins' effort. Now that I have, I realize he is either trying to wind us up or has eyesight like mine. Thanks for setting me straight.
Posted by: yidandahalf | January 05, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Kol Eisav in Monsey (AKA by the euphemism Kol Yaakov) which ran by Leib Tropper is definitely a cult. Talmidim are not allowed to stay in their parents house if their parents do not keep kosher. They are only allowed to find shiduchim with Tropper own Shadchanit and the potential spouse has to be approved by tropper. Couples where one spouse is more observant than the other are encouraged to get divorced.
They are not allowed to go to YU or even worst to a goyshe college. If they are already in college they are commanded to drop out, google the tragic case of Gidone Busch, a defenseless soul Tropper told to drop out of medical school and then expelled from the yeshiva.
Posted by: Susan Blond | January 05, 2008 at 11:44 AM
OS is deffinately a cult. They might not have anything to do with Chabad, but they sure do things similar. I do find it ironic that they ban internet, yet have their own personal sight. They also try to lure poor unsuspecting souls into their cult trap by giving them trips to Israel and Oz and all sorts...obviously one must attend the torah learning sessions (in which the omar then brain washes them).
Tragic. They also have tons of money available to them. Funny how they scorn those who earn money for a living and are also able to give to charities and then take from that same money to use for their own decreped purposes.
Also the OS Rabbis come out of there like over zealots. My husband was in Ben Yehudah in a bar with his friends and some new OS Rabbi came over and sat himself down and then started going on about all the evil they are doing. I think they told him where to go. That and the fact as my husband said. That over zealot had become frum two seconds ago and was spouting out over righteous tattle. Basically, they are a bunch of nuts.
Posted by: R | January 05, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I did not post the comment made at 12:53 AM. Please delete it.
Posted by: Sephardiman | January 06, 2008 at 01:15 PM
not a cult its a wonderful organization!!!!!!!!! yona loriner
Posted by: yona loriner | January 06, 2008 at 08:21 PM
Behaima Tropper , the evil beast of Maple Ave has history of leaving behind him suttered lives and broker families. Gideon Busch is one case of many. He has his enablers in the community just like Kolko and Mondrovitz had especially now when he got access to Leor Energy funds.
Posted by: The Monsey Tzadik | January 06, 2008 at 10:43 PM
A Brighter Bulb, you are certainly correct. I did not see dawkins' effort. Now that I have, I realize he is either trying to wind us up or has eyesight like mine. Thanks for setting me straight.
yidandahalf -
No problem. I can see how that can happen. It's not like I've never done the same thing. :)
I apologize, as I thought you were someone trying to wind me (or others) up, especially with the "lightbulb" comment, hence the "brighter bulb" name. Sorry about that.
Well, at least the "dawkins" comment didn't derail the thread into a big Chabad/anti-Chabad fight.
Posted by: Mr. Lightbulb :) | January 07, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Ohr Somayach "THE OTHER LIGHT" of the story!
In this letter I would like to address some of the points that "Seth" raised, presenting a distorted picture of the Ohr Somayach Yeshiva in the article calledthe "Dark Light." Let me tell you a little about myself, since I think it is crucial for the reader to understand my point of view. I am not here to argue with "Seth" about how he feels about Ohr Somayach. To be honest, I felt that a lot of the statements made were not only not true, but quite silly in nature. (as will be explained below)
My name is "Emit Pinchus", although this is not my real name, if anyone wants to contact me they may do so via email, or they can ask the administration who I am. and I am currently attending Ohr Somayach Yeshiva in Jerusalem. I have been here for 2 years. I recently got married and am living in Jerusalem. Prior to coming to Ohr Somayach, I earned my BS in Commerce, and then went on to complete my J.D. Every summer between the academic years at law school, I would go to Ohr Somayach to learn more about my Jewish heritage. I found the classes to be intellectually stimulating and informative. During each summer the Rabbis made it a point to express their positive feelings about my goals, referring to my desire to become a lawyer and yet taking the time to learn about our Jewish tradition. Never, and I mean never, did a Rabbi tell me or even hint to me that I should leave law school to pursue solely Jewish studies. After I came back the second time, I really felt that I wanted to set aside time after the completion of law school to study the Torah on a serious level. When I got to Ohr Somayach after taking the Bar exam, which I passed, I was pleased to find beautiful living arrangements in a Maalot Dafna apartment, with 8 other guys. Let me tell you the make up of the guys: an investment banker; an accountant; a security analyst for a major mutual fund; a professor of German-Jewish studies; a trader for another major mutual fund; a political science graduate on his way to law school; and a biomedical engineer. (I don't remember the last one's occupation.) They had all been religious for a few years, and decided to come to Ohr Somayach to strengthen their skills in learning as well as build their connection to Judaism. All were very lively guys, with upbeat personalities and were a real joy to live with. That first year gave us a chance to become friends and grow in our observance of Torah. Some people were more religious then others, and the Rabbis made it a point to have a lecture about how students should never tell other students how to live their life or keep mitzvoth. They said that theses are all personal decisions, which should be left up the individual.
When someone asked the Rabbinic head of our department, about whether he encourages the students to leave Universities and their careers, he said and I quote, "Absolutely not, staying in Yeshiva and learning is a completely personal decision, where many factors have be taken into account, like financial stability, family, potential job and the like.”
He advised one of my friends, who had a sick father, to go back home and help his mother to take care of his father.
In my case, I really wanted to stay and learn because I felt a need to acquire the skills to learn Jewish texts independently.
We learn in an intensive program dedicated to getting the student on his feet in terms of his learning and observance level. The Yeshiva never told me what type of kippa I had to wear, or whether I should wear blue shirts, or white shirts. That type of stuff is not within their scope of education. They are teaching us how to grow in our religious observance, like keeping Sabbath, wearing Tzizit, and being able to learn from a Gemara.
My Rabbis never mentioned anything bad about any other type of Jew, whether it is secular or modern orthodox, or chassidic. Their goal was to help us get a foundation in learning and keeping mitzvoth, and not to get into the political issues of our times. A student might ask aRrabbi his opinion on some political issue and the Rabbi would answer him privately, but, in my experience, each Rabbi has his own mind and answers accordingly. Never did I hear anyone mention anything against the Rav, J.B. Soloveitchik, Ztl; on the contrary, Rabbis were quick to say that he was a Gadol b'Torah...
In regards to Ulpan, we have an amazing teacher who’s name is Rabbi Gogak. He transformed my Hebrew from literally nothing into a level where I am able to read difficult Jewish texts by myself, a goal that I have always dreamed of attaining.
In regards to newspapers, I don't know who reads newspapers and who doesn't, but I know that there are students who subscribe to secular newspapers and receive delivery at the Yeshiva.
The statements made by Seth that the Yeshiva says that everything in the secular world is bad and wrong is both mistaken and silly. I have heard many Rabbis discuss the greatness of technology in the past 150 years. Many Rabbis ride buses, drive cars, use computers, use cell phones, etc. So, to imagine that they would say that nothing in the secular world has ever produced good is absurd.
In regards to the point that there is aRrabbi here who tries to disprove science, is even more laughable then the last statement. I think he is referring to Rabbi Dr. Gottlieb. Rabbi Gottleib prior to coming to Ohr Somayach was an associate professor at Johns Hopkins University. He has a Phd. in mathematical logic, and is well versed in Physics and all the Natural Sciences. One of his classes discusses the problems with the evolution theory. He never once said (and I have his lectures recorded) that evolution is wrong. He does maintain that there are scientific problems with it. He is not the only one. There are secular Biology professors at major universities who also raise questions about the theory. I am not a scientist by profession, I am a lawyer and I think that it is wrong to mention theories without also providing the problems to those theories. Some of the sources that Rabbi Gottlieb quotes are as follows:
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Johnson. Phillip, Darwin on Trail, 2nd ed., Intervarsity Press, 1993.
Shapiro, Robert, Origins - A Skeptic's Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth, Bantam, 1986
Behe, Michael, Darwin's Black Box, Free Press, 1996
Raup, David, Extinction - Bad Genes or Bad Luck?, Norton, 1991
Stanley, Steven, The New Evolutioniariy Timetable, Basic Books, 1981
Crick, Francis, Life Itself - It's Origin and Nature, Simon and Schuster, 1981
All of the sources stated above are of a secular nature.
No one at Ohr Somayach wants to make a person into some type of cookie cutter Jew; everyone is different, and the Rabbaim work hard to cater to all of the issues that each student has. It's quite sad that a person like Seth had a bad experience, but it would be even sadder if people take his point of view as fact. I feel very grateful to have been a part of this Yeshiva. In a few months I will be moving to back to New York as an attorney. The one thing that I learned from this place was that each Jew has a lifetime full of mitzvoth to fulfill, and Ohr Somayach was the stepping-stone for me in terms of my Jewish observance.
As for my roommates from the first year, I can tell you that they were sad to leave the Yeshiva, but not because they were thrown a guilt trip by the Rabbis, but because they felt this place was a place of growth for them, a place where they met people and formed friendships. Out of the eight of us, two of us were the only ones to stay for an extra year. The others went back to their respective careers. Whenever there is a reunion in America, all the guys make it an effort to attend.
If anyone wants to contact me via email, please feel free to do so. My email is emitpinchus@gmail.com.
All the best,
Emit
Posted by: Emit Pinchus | January 07, 2008 at 02:13 PM
I just read Emit's post. He lists the following source that Rabbi Gottlieb and I presume that Ohr Somayach lists:
Behe, Michael, Darwin's Black Box, Free Press, 1996
Anyone who follows the news will know that Micheal Behe is an integral part of the integral part of the intelligent design movement. His theories have been rebutted by the scientific community. The recent Dover court case illustrates this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District_trial_documents
The fact that Ohr Somayach would quote their ideas is a rayoso against Ohr Somayach. Of course just because they do this does not mean everything they teach is a distortion of the truth. But it does creep me out.
Better to be intellectually honest and admit that when you look at the breeah it looks very old and the evidence for evolution (as understood by the scientific community) is overwhelming.
Posted by: Doresh | January 07, 2008 at 02:54 PM
Doresh –
You're right about Behe. Rabbi Gotlieb is an expert at selective sourcing.
I find "Emit's" entire representation of Ohr Somayach to be heavily sanitized.
I will say that Rabbi Gogak is a very good teacher. I knew him years ago at Aish. But what he teaches is not an Ulpan.
Posted by: Shmarya | January 07, 2008 at 03:50 PM
Emit's sources are out of date. All AT LEAST a decade out of date. On my blog, he listed sources from the 1930s and even the 19th century to vast questions on macro-evolution.
This sort of dishonesty is most indicative of the literal-Creationist camp generally, and Ohr Somayach specifically.
This is who they are.
Posted by: DK | January 07, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Let me re-take back my previous comment on OS as i thought it was AISH...well they all sound the same really and i thought it was the same organisation. Oops.
So sorry to OS as i don't know much about that institution, but i stand by what i say on Aish.
Posted by: R | January 07, 2008 at 04:19 PM
read yona lorinar ( or w. ever t.f. his name is. ) doesn't he sound like borat? dude, do some ali g meets the REBBE.
Posted by: Whole Lotta Kugel | January 07, 2008 at 07:51 PM
Emit, you were doing fine until you mentioned R. Gotlieb and evolution. The sources you quoted have LONG been debunked. If you are really interested, check out youtube - "Ken Miller on Intelligent Design". It's two hours long, but jam-packed with science (not pseudo-design aka intelligent design). And if you want a REAL laugh, read Behe's testimony in the Dover PA case. He was totally out of his league.
Posted by: zach | January 07, 2008 at 09:34 PM
Intellegent design is theology, not science, because it is not verifiable or falsifiable. It is intellectually naive (or even dishonest) to pretend otherwise.
However,it happens to me my theology- I believe a caring God arranged the laws of nature for intellegent life to emerge- that could have a relationship with Him. But in no way would I teach that in a science class.
However, one cannot derive the meaning of life from science. Those who tried, the Social Darwinists, were a disaster. That led to National Socialism and Stalinism. The torah is Divine Revelation meant to guide our lives and give it meaning, but it is not a textbook of dry facts. At least some of it is allegorical.
One doesn't pull out a tanach when one gets a flat tire; one consults the Owner's Manual. Similarly, one doesn't consult the car's Owner's Manual when looking for the meaning of life. One consults tanch, our neshamah's Owner's Manual, in my opinion.
Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | January 08, 2008 at 06:30 AM
Nice try Emit, and even nicer spin. While Ohr Somayach probably isn't quite as bad as 'Seth' portrays it, the faculty sure have a lot of learning-up to do about Jewish Fundamentals themselves.Yes, Imean antiquated concepts like 'ahavas yisrael' - which includes loving those Jews who may not see your particular brand of frumkeit as necessarily compelling. Or controlling vicious (and ignorant) demagogues like David Orlofsky, and not just doing damage control when he hurts the fundraising bottom-line. Do you think Hillel would be comfortable in OS today....I doubt it. How about Rabbi Akiva.....?
Posted by: Emess l'Yaakov | January 09, 2008 at 02:20 AM
Can we please make a distinction between Ohr Somayach Monsey and Ohr Somayach Yerushalayim? They are vastly different. I was actively encouraged after my first year in Monsey to go back to the Ivy League. Anyone?
Posted by: You All Need to Relax | January 09, 2008 at 02:07 PM
Can we please make a distinction between Ohr Somayach Monsey and Ohr Somayach Yerushalayim? They are vastly different. I was actively encouraged after my first year in Monsey to go back to the Ivy League. Anyone?
Posted by: You All Need to Relax | January 09, 2008 at 02:07 PM
Kol Eisav in Monsey (AKA by the euphemism Kol Yaakov) which ran by Leib Tropper is definitely a cult. Talmidim are not allowed to stay in their parents house if their parents do not keep kosher. They are only allowed to find shiduchim with Tropper own Shadchanit and the potential spouse has to be approved by tropper. Couples where one spouse is more observant than the other are encouraged to get divorced.
They are not allowed to go to YU or even worst to a goyshe college. If they are already in college they are commanded to drop out, google the tragic case of Gidone Busch, a defenseless soul Tropper told to drop out of medical school and then expelled from the yeshiva.
Thank you for posting this.
A good friend of mine strongly encouraged me to go to Kol Yaakov a couple of years ago. I really didn't think it would be best for me as I am not at all charedi. Something also rubbed me the wrong way reading about it.
After reading about the EJF and the conversion issue, I found my suspicions furthered.
Now this. If it is indeed as you say, I am very glad that I didn't go there. I probably would have left anyway, as those are all red flag things to me. However, I'm glad that I didn't get involved with it.
Posted by: | January 10, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Previous Post, Susan B.,Monsey Tzaddik, yes, we spoke about this ad nauseum, or whatever.
Kol Eisav is one of the most scary Islands of BT Archipelago--"Archipelag BT"(paraphraising the name of Nobel Prize-winning book of the greatest living Russian writer and, btw, greatest non-Jewish ADMIRERER of Orthodox Judaism...)
Myself or MTz, doesn't matter, brought first here the saddest story of Gideon Gary Busch, tragic victim of BTism.
It's not who-cares-Slifkin-still-with-strong-hareidi-connection-"ban"!
Story's the same:HASIDIC neighbors called the cops--"praying-with-a-hammer"...cops were cleared in the court of law.
I am nobody, but powers-to-be in hareidi community had to put a stop on "kiruv" machine immideately.
At the same time elderly Soviet immigrants were almost deprived from their pension benefits...because they didn't speak English!
Nobody in hareidi laymen world paid any attention to it!!!
But "kiruv" mill is running, Archipelago devours new victims, more families and marriages ruined, more lives destroyed...
Posted by: Lev | January 11, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Tovarish: Check out my guest post on Lanner. I guess you can call it "One Day in the life of Yochanan Denisovich." (My patronymic is Markovich, or Morducovich, actually).
Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | January 11, 2008 at 09:12 AM
Yochanan, I did check.
Lanner is probably one of the most vicious vertuchais("Couuncelloors")of BT Gulag.
I am waiting for your expose on weird NJ places like FRISCH.
NJ is like Solovky or Vorkutlag of Archipelago: know Russian kid in NJ-started as a houseguest of Rosh Yeshiva--now indicted for Grand Theft Auto...
Posted by: Lev | January 13, 2008 at 12:39 AM
You All Need To Relax, you are right and correct!
Rabbis there also did not hide away info about "Shoimrei Tznius" community scandals...
Posted by: Lev | January 13, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Shalom,
I have no clue why some of you are posing as scientists. Darwinism is the last of the dying scientific theologies. Neo-darwinism essentially claims there is no Force that created the universe, and updates all of Darwin's fundamental flaws with "New Age" flaws. It does not hold up to the standards of mathematical physics and surely does not stand a chance when examined through the rigors of mathematics.
Darwin's book was "On the Origin of Species". Not on how they evolved, but where they all came from. Mathematically speaking, neo-darwinism is a hoax. Atheists like Dawkins and Atkins pick, choose, and omit Darwin's materials to satisfy their intellectual leanings thus justifying amoral lifestyles.
The Torah may be written by man, but overall, there is more proof in support of the Divinity of Torah than the validity of any form of Darwinism. Next theory please!
Posted by: LeaveScienceToTheScientists | December 14, 2008 at 07:30 PM