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December 21, 2007

Spinka Tax Fraud and Money Laundering Indictment

Here is the entire Federal indictment against the Spinka Rebbe and six others for tax fraud and money laundering, sent in PDF format courtesy of a FailedMessiah.com reader:

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Meanwhile, VosIzneais, the Satmar news blog, is reporting the rebbe's bail bail has been set at $2 million dollars and his gabbai's at $1.5 million. Both are considered flight risks and will have to wear electronic monitoring bracelets, and will have to surrender their passports.

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And if you look at the posts on vos iz neis all you'll see is condemnation of the informant. Hardly anyone cares about the theft, almost all say the only sinner is the informant. This tells you pretty much what you need to know to understand how perverse and hateful those people can be.

Harry Maryles reported on his blog that the Spinka rebbe came to Chicago about 13 years ago to be mesader kiddushin. He said,

When he walked in with his entourage, it was like royalty had walked into the room.

It's time we stop giving kavod to these charlatans. They really aren't anything special.

If you are violating halacha and cheating the government and its citizenry out of money, all of your Torah "learning" does not amount to a hill of beans.

Hardly anyone cares about the theft, almost all say the only sinner is the informant.

That's because for many of these people, everything is a d'oraisa.

In the case of mesira, it's totally something contrived by the rabbis, but people place it on the same level as Torah.

What;s this mesira people keep going on about?
So if you get people like pedophiles you shouldn't tell the local authority because you can't tell on a Jew? Same goes for these money laundering stealing lying cheats. They are stealing not just the government's money, but your tax money too. So it's ok that they are stealing from you and from people who need the money because you can't tell on them?
What you end up having is a mafia where the victims are never protected and the criminals get away. Some messed up system.
Oh and people should stop treating their Rebbes like they are G-d because they truly are not G-d. They are mostly power hungry money greedy men.
Such a messed up world we live in.

The Stinka From Spinka

more from vosizneias-- do you know if you write on a credit card application 1 dollar more then you make its a federal crime so tell me one person that is free & clear from crime????
so cut the crap & he did what any normal mosdos does he nebach trusted someone that masered him the lesson to be learned is dont trust anyone whatsoever

December 22, 2007 9:18 PM
Anonymous Shmendrik said...

" Can any one please tell me one Jewish or NON JEWISH not for profit org that didn’t do the same?"

Sure, I'll tell you. There many frum organizations which have some Yashrus and would never do something like that. Maybe not so many in Brooklyn.

This is a disgraceful site where all the commentators are on a high horse. I think that all of you should be investigated since you’re all so kosher.

This is a disgraceful site where all the commentators are on a high horse.

high horse == paying taxes and being a law abiding citizen

Sam, did mommy ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right?

The average commentator here may make small inconsequential mistakes - it's quite another thing to defraud the government out of millions.

Your refusal to come to grips with the reality that our communities have issues is what is disgraceful.

Sam, did mommy ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right?

The average commentator here may make small inconsequential mistakes - it's quite another thing to defraud the government out of millions.

Your refusal to come to grips with the reality that our communities have issues is what is disgraceful.

There is one consolation to this: Naftali Tzvi Weisz is not the only rebbe of Spinka - not by a longshot. Williamsburg has several, there are more in Boro Park, Flatbush, London and Israel. So perhaps the whole Spinka name and dynasty need not be tarnished.

Charlie is correct regarding the high volume of Spinka rebbes. I have inside information that another in Brooklyn was investigated but emerged clean.

THE MOST LOMDISHE YET FROM VOSIZNEIAS
The government are the thieves. Who gives them the right to take 40%, 50% and more of someone's income? Anyone who can save yiddishe gelt from going down that toilet is doing a mitzvah.

And even if that were not true, it still not nearly as bad as mesirah. A mosser does not need a beis din to be killed. Anybody who is able to kill him without getting caught has the right to do so. VELAMALSHINIM AL TEHI SIKVOH.

December 23, 2007 2:53 AM

Anon, you are a disgrace to Judaism. Who gives those thieves the right to MAKE their income to begin with? The government. The government has a right to levy taxes because we GIVE them the right. If you don't like it, get the hell out.

People like you should be deported before the illegal immigrants. They are more deserving, and more American, than you will ever be.

From http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/mesiralaw2.html#b28

A Jew is knowingly and intentionally cheating on his United States taxes. May one inform on him to the Internal Revenue Service? According the view of Rabbi Waldenberg, such conduct is permitted because informing is not wrong to a just government. According to Rabbi Batzri, such informing is prohibited and makes the informer a pursuer, as it will land the tax cheater in jail, and that is prohibited (because jails are inherently dangerous even in the USA). According to Rabbi Wozner, although such conduct is not informing even if the punishment is harsher than Jewish Law allows since gentiles have an obligation to have a legal system which obviously may be different, it is prohibited under the rubric doing gratuitous harm to another, and would only be permitted when the informer stands to concretely benefit from the arrest, or when it was one's job to detect such people or when being silent leads to desecration of God's name or informing leads to a sanctification of God's name, in which case informing is mandatory. According to Rabbi Feinstein, such informing is prohibited and makes the informer a pursuer as the governement imposes far stricter punishment than allowed by Jewish law for theft (unless this conduct is one's job, and if you did not do it, someone else would and the person would be detected anyway.

That said the above opinions relate to an individual who through greed and personal weakness allows himself to fall to a low standard. I am sure that all these rabbanim would expect of someone who claims to have a leadership position in Orthodox Judaism not to act 'le chatchila' in such a way and if caught to minimize the Chillum Hashem involved by showing true remorse and fully co-operating with the authorities and accepting the consquences of one actions.

To expect better from people who claim to be ones betters is not be be sitting on a High Horse. I suspect that if I was caught doing something unlawful, I would try to avoid justice however I do not claim to be a rebbe, but just another Joe.

So let the Rabbis debate whether or not informing is 'allowed' In the meantime perhaps they should ask every elected Jewish official to resign from office, be it Assemblyman,Senator, Supreme Court, Mayor since these are all secular positions. Additionally let them forbid their followers from taking one penny in medicaid, food stamps,welfare or Section 8 housing subsidy since it all comes from the same secular government.

What absolute unconditional hypocrites they are!!! They wouldn't have the huge following they maintain if it wasn't for the benevolence of the U.S.A.

I suppose if he's convicted, the'll start calling him the Clinka Rebbe ;-)

Can't believe so many frum people are incarcareted in the penal system. I was relieved to learn that when I will be back in the US and A that there will be a minyan in the correctional facility. Also, I will be looking for an "ever k'negdo" and was wondering what the Spinkas look like.

B"H

THE MOST LOMDISHE YET FROM VOSIZNEIAS
The government are the thieves. Who gives them the right to take 40%, 50% and more of someone's income? Anyone who can save yiddishe gelt from going down that toilet is doing a mitzvah.

And even if that were not true, it still not nearly as bad as mesirah. A mosser does not need a beis din to be killed. Anybody who is able to kill him without getting caught has the right to do so. VELAMALSHINIM AL TEHI SIKVOH.

December 23, 2007 2:53 AM

Posted by: anon | December 23, 2007 at 08:53 AM

Anon, you are a disgrace to Judaism. Who gives those thieves the right to MAKE their income to begin with? The government. The government has a right to levy taxes because we GIVE them the right. If you don't like it, get the hell out.

People like you should be deported before the illegal immigrants. They are more deserving, and more American, than you will ever be.

Posted by: Ari | December 23, 2007 at 10:43 AM


Ari you really think that the right to earn income comes from the government?
Apparently the founding fathers disagreed with you.
In the declaration of independence They wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Considering that it took a 4% stamp tax on tea to start the American Revolution I'm sure the founding fathers would have understood sentiments expressed by vosisneas reader about the government trying to tax people at 40-50% levels not being fair or reasonable.

Ariel:

And the Constitution of the United States grants the federal government the power to regulate interstate commerce. The point is not that the "ultimate right" (whatever the hell that means) comes from the government, it is that we agreed to give the government power to levy taxes, and we benefit from those taxes in the forms of public services that ingrates like anon don't realize wouldn't exist without taxes (nor would his welfare checks for his 25 children and his kollel occupation).

Granted, there are problems with our tax system - but does that give anyone a right to violate the law? Why bother having the law if it does...

>Barry
>
>I suppose if he's convicted, the'll start calling him the Clinka Rebbe ;-)
>

The Stinka from Spinka in the Clinka?

Is chillul HaShem a D'oraisa or was that one of those contrived things someone made up?

The Stinka from Spinka in the Clinka?

I was thinking, if proven guilty, he would be the Sphincter Rebbe.

Point is, read the indictment, the moiser is a bigger crook than any of the people charged in the case. He was the one profiting millions from cheating the government. Now he's the righteous one, and the weaker people he turned in to save his own skin are the crooks? His greed is what drove the scheme. His skin was in danger in the first place for other illegal fraudulent schemes he committed. He masqueraded as a baal tzedaka, and was so miserly he wouldn't give $5,000 to tzedaka unlesss he got a $50,000 tax benefit. R.K. had millions of dollars, but still wouldn't give tzedaka without getting a kickback. And in the end that nebach forced this guy to become a moiser. He's nebach a moiser, uber a moiser is er.

there is no theft here. if the indictment is true then all we have here is an elaborate organization set up by people trying to not be thrown in jail for not sending in their LEGALLY hard earned cash to the 700 or so people in washington who spend their money on things like sinking a trillion dollars into iraq for no good reason. So the associated crimes are were all executed to avoid paying their legally earned money to an unnacountable 700 people in washington

Chicago Ortho community and bunch of BT reqruiting scam artists are supported by "nursing" home industry.
Spinka Rebbe would NEVER tolerate crimes against "kinderlach" commited by Kolko/Margo/Mondro.
I knew him.
Innocent until proven guilty by NORTH DISTRICT OF TEXAS FEDERAL COURT.

Just remember folks the IRS gives 10% reward of all monies collected from these cheats.

These gazlonim are the MAIN reason that there is so much Anti-Semitism.

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