Spinka Rebbe Busted on Money Laundering Charges
Many of you already know Naftali Tzvi Weisz, the Spinka Rebbe of Borough Park was arrested earlier today along with his gabbai and a few others on federal money laundering charges. The holy rebbe raised funds from wealthy donors and kicked back large chunks of their donations – as high as 95% in at least one case – enabling these 'ba'alei tzedaka' to cheat the government out of tens of thousands millions of dollars in taxes. The scam laundered money in LA's diamond district and by using Israeli banks with American branches.
This is the same type of scam allegedly run by the head of Chabad-Lubavitch in Israel, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchok Ahranow, and it is the same type of scam allegedly run by several other haredi rabbis and charities in the US and abroad.
I'd guess other haredi charities in Borough Park, Williamsburg, Crown Heights, Monsey, Spring Valley, Kiryas Joel and Lakewood could be busted on similar charges. The same for Bnei Brak and Jerusalem.
Will it happen?
Let's hope so.
[Hat Tips: Archie Bunker and janitor.]
UPDATE 12-20-07 – The New York Times ads:
…In some cases, the contributions were returned as cash payments through what the government called “an underground money transfer network” involving businesses in and around Los Angeles’s jewelry district, the government said.
Three men in California were charged with taking part in the money transfer network: Yaacov Zeivald, 43, a professional scribe from Valley Village, Calif.; Yosef N. Naiman, 55, a tour company owner from Los Angeles; and Alan Friedman, 43, a businessman, also from Los Angeles. A fourth man, Moshe A. Lazar, 60, a diamond dealer, was charged in the scheme as well and was believed to be in Israel, the government said.
The contributions were repaid by a sophisticated series of wire transfers from businesses controlled by the Spinka sect to secret accounts in Israel, the government said. The accounts were established with the help of an official at the Israeli bank, Joseph Roth, 66, of Tel Aviv, who was arrested in Los Angeles, and a Tel Aviv lawyer, Jacob Kantor, 71, who remained at large in Israel, the government said.
According to the indictment, Mr. Roth helped the contributors get loans from a Los Angeles branch of the bank so their money would be available to them in the United States. The contributors could also hire officials of the Spinka sect to repatriate their money for them, albeit for a fee, the government said.
Earlier this year, the indictment said, Rabbi Weisz and Mr. Zigelman determined they had taken in some $8.7 million in contributions solicited by Mr. Zigelman alone. Of that, they held on to almost $750,000, the indictment said.…
Five Spinka charitable organizations in Brooklyn — identified in the indictment as Yeshiva Imrei Yosef, Yeshivath Spinka, the Central Rabbinical Seminary, Machne Sva Rotzohn and Mesivta Imrei Yosef Spinka — were named as defendants in the case.
whats the big deal all they have to do is donate money to the clintons and they will get pardoned by hitlery!!!
Posted by: yona loriner | December 20, 2007 at 07:26 AM
"All the more reason to make it clear that such actions are not acceptable by yidden."
Just don't be an oiber chochom.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by Anonymous Anonymous : December 19, 2007 10:43 PM
In the Skver case there were people that sat rather than MASER. You are NOT allowed to Maser. Not to many people would withstand it but some did
Comment Credit ---This article posted by Anonymous Anonymous : December 19, 2007 10:58 PM
Below are posts copied from a very good blog--Chaptzem--
"Would you go to jail for 20 years protecting a Rebbe/Crook? Or would you cooperate with a malchis shel chesed government?"
According to Halacha you have to though I only know one person who did. (It wasn't twenty years though)
Comment Credit ---This article posted by Anonymous Anonymous : December 19, 2007 11:00 PM
State of the oiylam. I think the above poster is making reference to a m'nuval named Frankel who sat in jail because of his crookedness and his unwillingness to cooperate.
Does anyone know the connection between Bergman of saintly nursing home fame and Spinka?
Posted by: | December 20, 2007 at 07:42 AM
These frum financial scandals will not stop until we as a community ostracize those so-called Rabbis who do not care about the Shulchan Aruch. It is amazing that a fraudster like David Cohen gets any respect (and has a position at Ohel) when he openly tells people that they don't have to listen to entire sections of choshen mishpat. Some real gedolim have called him a heretic who should not be considered Orthodox but they are afraid to speak out openly. The Teaneck community has effectively banned him from ever appearing there again. He should be sent off to Switzerland with his disciple Pinky Green.
Posted by: stop david cohen | December 20, 2007 at 07:49 AM
Now this Rebbe gets a choice: Sing like a tweaty bird and tell us about your 'contributers' or ROT in prison har har har
Posted by: Isa | December 20, 2007 at 08:10 AM
The LA Times is reporting that the Feds are now going after all the people who "donated" money.
A Brooklyn rosh yeshiva spoke publicly against these kinds of fraudulent schemes a few years ago. He was especially angered after someone approached him offering to donate "$50,000" while stipulating he wants 45k of it laundered back.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 20, 2007 at 08:39 AM
shmarya,
gloat all the way to hell.
or jail.
Posted by: scottie | December 20, 2007 at 08:46 AM
I guess this is what it means when they say that when u give charity G-d gives it back...all The Spunka Rebbe was doing was helping to cut out the middle man - G-d.
Posted by: R | December 20, 2007 at 08:58 AM
You guys are self-hating Jews. This anti-Semite government hates rich Jews and tries to get them on any opportunity with bumped up charges like this did to Bernard "Beirish" Grunfeld the bobover Tazdik nistar who had alila on him that he launder drug money via the yeshiva.
All the people in my congregation are tzadkim temimim.
Posted by: The Heilge Rebbe of Otisville | December 20, 2007 at 09:27 AM
This is sad, and, if true, an extraordinary chilul Hashem.
Posted by: David | December 20, 2007 at 09:38 AM
Another lomdishe comment from vosizneias--
Anonymous said...
Bottom line, two wrongs don’t make a right no matter what we, you, I, think or assume is a bigger sin, no matter what the offender did wrong you can not go and do something wrong & claiming "I am allowed".
The "issur" of "mesiruh" is, "you are basically putting another Jews faith in the hand of others who do not go according to halacha, at the time of the bais hamikdash we had the "sanhedrin" they where the ones who decided, today we have the "bes din" who can decide, & if you feel that there is no reason to go to "bes din" you must ask a "prominent rav" if you can go to "arcu'os", if it is the case that you don’t trust the ruv or you don’t like that the ruv said no! Sit tight bite your lips & let hashem do his job even if he killed someone & is a threat to others, halacha is higher then us & for good reason & we don’t understand it always,
By the way, in certain cases "musrim" where allowed to be killed with out a even a "bes din" according to halacha, just to emphasize how dreadful "aveiruh" it is (not to long before WWII a case like that played out & the muser was killed)
Halacha is not always in the same line how "we" think, & halcaha is "always" priority. (and after all “iss din ve’iss dayan, goes both ways!!!)
December 20,
Posted by: anon | December 20, 2007 at 09:44 AM
I find it very interesting that people will not cry, condemn the sinner,crook but the mosur he must be punished. I think your priorities are are messed up. Remember stealing is a Torah law musar is a rabbinic law
In addition the halcaha of mosur was created in a time when Jews could not get a fair trial and there was a sanhedrin to deal with crooks in the Jewish community ,today there is no Sanhedrin and we do not a way of dealing with the sinners.
The people who created the halacha could not have foreseen a time when Jews could get a fair shake trial so the halcaha should not apply. Remember halcaha was created made by humans, not god.
Posted by: formellyfrum | December 20, 2007 at 10:49 AM
The Spinka rabbis have a long history of criminal activities from smuggling watches to getting involved in the nursing home scandal. It came to a point that when I was a kid we had a joke.
A young boy was at the Spinka shul for shabbos. however some boys did not go to the rebbe to give him a good shabbos. The Spinka Rebbe said come and give me a good shabbos, are you scared of me? The boys answered, yes we are scared of you, because we are afraid you will but us in a freezer
Posted by: formellyfrum | December 20, 2007 at 10:57 AM
Regarding this word "Mesira" being batted around. NOT APPLICABLE. This government will provide these individuals if convicted with kosher food, allow them to have their books, tefilin, not work on Saturday, to make phone calls, write letters, have visitors etc. The Federal Pen is not the nicest place for aging Hasidim, but that's why you need to teach your children, less "Melekh Hamoshiakh is on his way," and more, "Crime Doesn't Pay."
Posted by: Fleishike Kishke | December 20, 2007 at 12:15 PM
http://www.yasharbooks.com/JOonBlogs.pdf
Shmarya really is asleep at the wheel.
He even missed this one.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 20, 2007 at 01:17 PM
Is the swindler Rabbi Gershon Tannenbaum going to report this important story in his column in the Jewish Press ? Answer - no - professional courtesy.
Posted by: NG | December 20, 2007 at 02:02 PM
Actually, Tannenbaum is enough of a hypocrite that he might report on Spinka as if he himself is squeaky clean.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 20, 2007 at 02:12 PM
Just watch! The BIG Rebbe will become an INFORMER! Watch how they justify that one!
Then the Yeshivot that are named will get cleaned out by the Feds.
I was interviewed by the FxI cause of my Kahane activities years ago. Those that say stuff like "informers get to die" will see the government take off their gloves to deal with you jerks- You will know what a 'steel fist' means. har har har
Posted by: Isa | December 20, 2007 at 02:39 PM
There's an article in the Forward that is pretty bland, except for one little paragraph. It's about a community in a rural area that decided to convert.
http://www.forward.com/articles/12305/
"Both Goldstein and Matthews said that members of the Cairo group felt genuinely embraced by members of the Carbondale congregation, many of whom are professors and professionals who work at Southern Illinois University Carbondale.
It was the mikveh ceremony itself that became the group’s final hurdle. While Goldstein recruited a number of Reform and Conservative rabbis in St. Louis to serve on the three-member batei din, or religious courts, needed to approve the candidates as ready for conversion, she was not able to arrange for the group to use St. Louis’s community mikveh, for reasons she declined to explain. Ultimately, the conversions were held at the Conservative Beth Sholom Synagogue in Memphis."
Now, class - want to make a bet that the St. Louis community mikveh is run by the orthodox? Since it seemed that the Rabbi was surprised that they could not use the facility, I'm guessing she had used it before for conversions. So what's different this time? Well, that was back at the beginning of the article:
"Dozens of Cairo’s residents — all African American... - visited a mikveh in Memphis, Tenn., on December 9 and took the plunge into conversion."
Now you know the real reason.
Posted by: Ahavah | December 20, 2007 at 03:55 PM
"In addition the halcaha of mosur was created in a time when Jews could not get a fair trial and there was a sanhedrin to deal with crooks in the Jewish community ,today there is no Sanhedrin and we do not a way of dealing with the sinners."
Isn't this inherently contradictory.
Posted by: Anon | December 20, 2007 at 04:00 PM
Ahavah,
Knock it off already. Mikvos in virtually every city are offbounds for Reform & Conservative to perform their bogus conversions - period. It doesn't matter the skin color of the candidates.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 20, 2007 at 05:55 PM
Regarding""""Mikvos in virtually every city are offbounds""""
In Minneapolis the mikva was built with community funds so all can use it. Except a new one was built with private funds- The original one remains opens to the best of my knowledge.
Posted by: Isa | December 20, 2007 at 07:13 PM
As the jewish g-d chosen prophets of old said: In the times of moshiach there will be a general matzav of "PNEI HADOR KEPNEI HAKELEV"
WHEN YOU HAVE GOVERNMENT FBI OFFICIALS arresting senior Rebbe's and lehavdill CEO's THAT IS THE EPITOME OF CHUTZPAH..
May g-d send moshiach soon (AND IF NOT ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED PEOPLE SHOULD BE PARDONED AND RELEASE!!)
G-d bless.
Posted by: Shmuel_(SAM)_Invincible | December 20, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Why mention the Shulchan Aruch? The Tanach itself is full of statements condemning unethical business practices.
Posted by: Charlie | December 20, 2007 at 10:22 PM
What is the difference between a tax evader like the Spinker and the nursing homes operators who make tens of millions by giving their residents the bare minimal of care? The latter are creme de la creme of frum society because they give money to yeshivos. Just look at the huge suck up Harry Maryles just posted to the THRICE divorced, scandal ridden osher Esformes, and literally no one felt free to say one critical word.
In cases like these one sees the importance placed on money in the community, even when acheived by immoral methods.
Posted by: anonymous | December 20, 2007 at 11:17 PM
Ahavah,
Knock it off already. Mikvos in virtually every city are offbounds for Reform & Conservative to perform their bogus conversions - period. It doesn't matter the skin color of the candidates.
Did you notice that Leib Tropper of the EJF has in his promotion material All-American girls, Italian Girls, Irish Girls, Chinese Girls, Filipino girls, Japanese Girls, Thai Girls, Puerto Rican Girls, Mexican Girls. Ecuadorian Girls, Nicaraguan Girls but no Black girls?
I wonder why… Don’t Jewish men marry black women? my girlfriend Naomi Campbell is great and it mekayem ‘I am dark but beautiful’ but unfortunately also mekayem ‘and her breasts are not yet grown’
Posted by: Gerard Butler | December 20, 2007 at 11:27 PM
The comments at Chaptzem are very enlightening. Some posters are upset that the Rebbe was personally involved. Couldn't he have hired others to do his bidding and thereby stay out of the whole affair? Think about the mindset of those guys. Amazing.
I was waiting for the Hasidic financial scandal of 2007 and, as if on cue, here it is. These guys never fail to disappoint. A year can't go by without these idiots doing some financial shenanigans, getting themselves in trouble, sitting in jail, doing chilulei Hashem...what would the Baal Shem Tov say if he saw these followers?
I think it's time for all Chasidim to give it up. I mean it. By now we all recognize that American Chasidut is a lifestyle, a men's club of Yidddish-speaking,
fairly-good singing and dancing, weirdly- dressed guys whose wives look like they just got off the plane from Milan, Italy with the nicest clothing. Their superstitions, beliefs, shtetle mentality, long payis which they curl like a woman's wig...it has to end. They have proven, better than I ever can, that a good number of them are frauds and dishonest. And those are their leaders. The rank and file shmendricks have no respect for American law, so they'll continue to flout it, and hope that noone is watching. But everyone is watching. This has been going on for 20-30 years. Others before them have done the same things and have been caught. But they won't be caught! They're smarter than the goyim! "We're smarter than them!" they say, as they learn their daf behind bars.
Enough. Chasidut has devolved into a joke. We who watch on the sidelines realize this. Most Chasidim are a little slower on the uptick, but some of them are realizing it, if the (other) Chaptzem comments are any indication. Problem: this will never stop until they change their mentality toward the "goyim" and start complying with American banking and financial laws. Since they'll never obey the law, despite "Dina d'malchuta dina" (mistameh a misnagdishe minhag), we can look forward to many more years on non-stop craziness, as black-hatted, bearded, tzitzis-wearing men who look as saintly as Kris Kringle are marched off to prison.
It doesn't matter if they're found not guilty. The chilul Hashem is in the arrest, the rumpus, the tongue-wagging, the media having a field day with "holier-than-thou" types who look like they can do no wrong but indeed do wrong every day. Shame on all us Jews. They can't stop flouting the law, and we all look bad.
Posted by: shmuel | December 20, 2007 at 11:32 PM
"...a men's club of Yidddish-speaking,
fairly-good singing and dancing, weirdly- dressed guys..."
I forgot to add, "slumlording, tax-evading, medicaid/section 8/welfare/food stamps cheating..."
I can't stand it anymore.
Posted by: shmuel | December 20, 2007 at 11:39 PM
I bless you that will be judged as you wish to judge others.
Will it happen?
Let's hope so.
Posted by: charles | December 21, 2007 at 12:10 AM
"I bless you that will be judged as you wish to judge others. Will it happen?
Let's hope so. Posted by: charles"
Thanks, "charles." That's a nice sentiment. I suppose, if you lived back in the day, you would have said the same thing to the prophets of old, who walked around yelling and screaming at the "leaders" who were morally bankrupt, who didn't know how to help the widow and the orphan, who couldn't tell right from wrong if they tried. I'm wrong for "judging" them. So it's reached a point where a Jew can't critisize "leaders" for their gross failings and acts of chilul Hshem. Strange world you got there, son. But it's all yours. I'll keep on screaming, like the prophets of old. Otheriwse we're done.
Posted by: shmuel | December 21, 2007 at 07:47 AM
"one sees the importance placed on money in the community, even when acheived by immoral methods."
One of the worst examples is serial crook Leib Pinter. UOJ was able to force yeshivos to stop associating with him but Nosson Scherman at Artscroll refuses to pull his books.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 21, 2007 at 08:10 AM
The Jewish Press is also the main organ that sanitizes all the lowlives out there including their own in house convicted swindlers and pedophiles.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 21, 2007 at 08:12 AM
Shmuel,
Because of the crooks in their ranks, the G-d fearing Hasids have to change their style of dress?
You're beyond pathetic.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 21, 2007 at 08:20 AM
"In addition the halcaha of mosur was created in a time when Jews could not get a fair trial and there was a sanhedrin to deal with crooks in the Jewish community ,today there is no Sanhedrin and we do not a way of dealing with the sinners."
Isn't this inherently contradictory.
what I meant to say is
today there is no Sanhedrin and we do not a way of dealing with the sinners." therefore the issue of mosur does not apply
Posted by: | December 21, 2007 at 08:28 AM
To Gerald Butler
I have personally attended the Orthodox Jewish wedding of a black woman who converted through EJF, so I'm inclined to doubt your allegations of racism.
Posted by: Larry Lennhoff | December 21, 2007 at 09:13 AM
Want to do a holy mitva? and get rich too?
Become a government informant and get these crooks who dress up as 'rabbi'
The IRS gives up to 10% of all funds collected, as a reward, from these sleaze bags. Of course you need a lawyer to prevent getting cheated or run over by the government.The big plus is the religion gets cleaned up a little better. A little more reward can be gotten if these sleaze bags use pirated software in their business, the SBA (Software Business Alliance) gives rewards too. They get really mad about pirated software used in a money making business (rather than just a school) Remember Al Capone was only convicted on tax evasion.
Posted by: Isa | December 21, 2007 at 09:30 AM
"Shmuel,
Because of the crooks in their ranks, the G-d fearing Hasids have to change their style of dress? You're beyond pathetic.
Posted by: Archie Bunker"
Let me see if I understand you, Archie Bunker:
Men walk around looking like the holy of holies, but visit prostitutes, or solicit gay sex, do drugs, are involved in every financial swindle and tax evasion imaginable, do child molestation, spousal abuse, beat women on Israeli busses, burn garbage cans in the streets of Jerusalem, throw rocks at drivers on Shabbos, throw bleach on frum women and their clothing they deem objectionable, threaten everyone they can get their hands on, whether in Kiryat Yoel, Ramat Bet Shemesh or Jerusalem, all the while looking like the most religious of "rabbis," thus making a laughing stock of Jews, Judasim and the rabbinate, and I'm "beyond pathetic" for urging them to drop the ridiculous clothing, the charade, the costume if they weant to do those sordid things? Our rabbis said the same thing! 'If you want to sin, put on black clothing and go to a corner of your town and sin. Don't sin in public wearing your white clothing.' Times have changed, and now these guys wear black clothing year-round, ready to sin. If you dress like a rabbi but act like a convicted felon, do us all a favor and remove the ridiculous 18th century costume, which obviously means nothing to you. This way you won't shame us all. Why is this so beyond you? Are you that slow? |
Posted by: shmuel | December 21, 2007 at 09:30 AM
And yes, for the rest of them, it really is time to call it a day. Chasidut is a shell of itself. It's burnt out. The song and dance routine is over. Kabbalah is nice, I suppose, but only if you're ready for it. The average Chassid, like Madonna, is not. So the faster they return to Lithuanian Orthodoxy, the better. There's no Litvish rabbi on earth who would disagree with me on this one. Do you?
Posted by: shmuel | December 21, 2007 at 09:35 AM
You know why I'm right? You can't institutionalize piety. That has to come from an internal drive, deep within you. Instead, they put on exterior trappings of piety and think they're done with the work. They never even started, but now that they're dressed piously, they've finished. THAT'S pathetic.
Posted by: shmuel | December 21, 2007 at 09:38 AM
This just posted on Chaptzem:
"Are you not capable of making the mistake of thinking, "Maybe it is not so bad to do this thing with a foreigner's money, to earn money to support these kids in yeshiva whose parents can't pay schar limud."
True it may be wrong. But we are not talking about evil."
And that, my friends, is the mentality they will never be able to overcome.
Posted by: shmuel | December 21, 2007 at 09:47 AM
"I have personally attended the Orthodox Jewish wedding of a black woman who converted through EJF, so I'm inclined to doubt your allegations of racism."
=====================================
He did not say beheima tropper does not convert black people, he will convert a Chihuahua dog (see comments on UOJ), the poster said that he does not put their photo on their promotional materials.
I do doubt though that Naomi Campbell is his girlfriend...
And anyway, why anyone would like to have a Thai woman…
http://www.digg.com/health/Angry_Thai_Women_Lead_the_World_in_Penis_Slashings
Posted by: The Monsey Tzadik | December 21, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Shmuel is in a corner but won't back down. He attacked the dress of all chassidim which is just plain dumb.
Just to show how ignorant he is, there was originally no difference in dress between chassids & Litvaks. They both wore shtreimels and long suits in the old country. The Vilna Gaon himself wore a shtreimel. Even today it's hard to tell the difference between chassidish and misnagdish Yerushalmi Jews. You have to speak to them in learning or politics to figure it out.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 21, 2007 at 10:29 AM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d49/danjb/9.jpg
According to a jokester on UOJ, Leib Tropper is trying to convert the guy pictured here.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 21, 2007 at 10:31 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=a12JnKt1Pwlc&refer=uk
If you want an entire group to "give it up", start with the secular Israelis.
Check out this report that I have to link to since Shmarya would never highlight something like this.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 21, 2007 at 10:33 AM
My local Chabad rabbi says that the levush is an reminder to make sure that he's always acting like a mentsch since he's recognizable as an orthodox Jew.
So if a "grand rabbi" is doing major financial crimes like this that could lead to a perp walk in the levush, it's pretty shameless.
Let's see
•baishan -- NOT
•gomel chesed -- maybe, but with treife
money obtained by fraud
•rachaman -- on himself, maybe, but NOT
on the rest of Am Yisrael
I always used to think it was stupid when a newspaper would refer to someone as a "Jewish Rabbi." I guess I was wrong. Maybe a "rabbi" who is deficient in the 3 hallmarks of a Jew really is a "non-Jewish Rabbi."
Posted by: Yoel B | December 21, 2007 at 11:18 AM
Archie writes:
"Shmuel is in a corner but won't back down. He attacked the dress of all chassidim which is just plain dumb.
Just to show how ignorant he is, there was originally no difference in dress between chassids & Litvaks. They both wore shtreimels and long suits in the old country. The Vilna Gaon himself wore a shtreimel. Even today it's hard to tell the difference between chassidish and misnagdish Yerushalmi Jews. You have to speak to them in learning or politics to figure it out.
Posted by: Archie Bunker"
Don't you understand that what both groups wore in common 250 years ago is irrelevant now? Litvacks adopted the 19th century businessman look, to give more chashivus to the Torah. Chasidim kept on looking like spacemen. In 21st century America, it really looks weird and there's no reason for it anymore, if you can look like an equally identifiably religious Jew with a suit, hat and tie. And, when you have so many law-breakers in your camp, as they do, and so many vilde chayos, as they do, and there's no end in sight to their lack of respect for dina d'malchuta, all you're setting yourself up for is unending heartache and chilul Hashem. When will you understand this?
Posted by: shmuel | December 21, 2007 at 01:28 PM
i agree with shmuel about the dress thing. It simply looks ridiculous and with cruelty to animals i think shtreimels ought to be banned or they should make them with fake fur. The reason chassidim wear these things anyway is because in places like russia and poland it's very cold in the winter and that is what people wore 250 years ago. When they wear them in Israel or warmer climates it's a bit pointless.
Posted by: R | December 22, 2007 at 12:19 PM
Methinks the "Grand Rabbi" is going to have marry his cell-mate "Bubba" in order to protect his cornhole.
Posted by: Nigritude Ultramarine | December 22, 2007 at 07:21 PM
Pretty lame explanation by Shmuel. Yerushalmi Litvaks did not modernize their attire at all and to the average American gentile, there isn't much difference between a Hasid and a very yeshivish Litvak with a black hat, yeshivish style payos and a lange reckel or even a short black suit.
The main reason for the manner of dress is to make them distinct and to provide a layer of protection from sinning which is perhaps what really bothers Shmuel & "R". Even the most lowly Jew in Egypt kept to a disinct Jewish dress code which is one reason they merited redemption from bondage. (Maybe that just hit a chord and Shmarya will lead off a new post attacking those words of the Sages excerpted by Rashi as a "myth".)
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 22, 2007 at 07:31 PM
And very funny that Mr. Big Humanitarian "R" is criticizing shtreimelach. You would have seen last Shabbos in any wealthy neighborhood (in Northern climates) a steady stream of fur coats coming out of Young Israels and Conseervative / Reform temples.
I did where I was.
Posted by: Archie Bunker | December 22, 2007 at 07:40 PM
However people want to dress is their business. But the clothing of the chassidim is an imitation of the 17th century (anti-Semitic) Polish nobility. And the yeshivish uniform is the early 20th century business dress (look in the old movies- all men wore fedoras, and look at pre-War photos of the yeshivot- most bochurim were clean-shaven). I believe in freedom of conscience- they can dress their way, I can dress my way. But I think it is important not to change history and see the clothing in its context (both chassidim and Litvaks originally wanted Jews to look respectable, not "different").
Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | December 22, 2007 at 08:02 PM
Lavie: All this irrelevant stuff about Spinka et all when any frummie will tell you the reason why Moshiach doesn't come is because Lance Goldfarb eats a ham sandwich on Shabbat.
Posted by: Dr Fred | December 23, 2007 at 04:38 PM
Shmuel:
I think it all boils down to one thing. These people have not been taught how to make an honest living. The gemara says that somebody who does not teach his child how to make a living is like teaching him how to steal. This both the yeshiva and chasiddish world are equally culpable. Its not about the shtreimel. Its all about a work ethic and marketable skills as opposed to the functional illiterates that are being mass produced by the yeshivisha and chassidsh world.
Posted by: Avrohom | December 24, 2007 at 01:25 PM
Avrhom:Wrong; it's about HONESTY. As our rabbi said, "You don't have to go to a Yeshiva to know it's wrong to steal".
Posted by: Dr Fred | December 24, 2007 at 02:50 PM
Nachshon Draiman Conviction for the death of a patient and abuse in his Mill View nursing homes in Niles, Illinois. R1.
Nachshon Draiman - Multiut Corp. – Future Associates Fraud
You will note that State and Federal Court records in Illinois and elsewhere are replete with lawsuits, judgments and wrongdoing by Nachshon Draiman and his companies. Causing the death of patients in the Nursing homes and a lawsuit by the State of Illinois with civil and criminal conviction People v. Gurell, Nachshon Draiman (1983), 98 Ill.2d 194, 207, 74 Ill.Dec. 516, 456 N.E.2d 18.). Abusing nursing home patients see State of Illinois records.
See People of the State of Illinois vs. Gurell, Nachshon Draiman et al – 456 N.E.2d 18 there has been numerous patient abuse and deaths due to that abuse. In 127 Ill.App.3d 1165, 483 N.E.2d 731, 91 Ill.Dec. 385 Sonnenberg v. Mill View Associates, Nachshon Draiman where millions of dollars had to be paid as damages for abuse and death of a patient, not to mention numerous patients who died falling down an elevator shaft.
Also money laundering thru charitable institutions in Israel.
Former Assistant U.S. Attorney Brian W. Ellis Claims he has DNA forensic evidence that Nachshon Draiman - Multiut forged and modified documents presented to the Court in his lawsuit against his brother Yehuda J. Draiman
The Supposed 1991 IMA Agreement Put Into Evidence by Multiut – Nachshon Draiman Is a Fraud
The evidence overwhelmingly favors Yehuda Draimans' account of events. There are at least eight separate, independent indicators that Nachshon Draiman deceptively modified an IMA Agreement that Yehuda received and signed in 1989, added terms to which Yehuda never agreed, including the incorporation of an unsigned Employee Confidentiality Agreement, and inserted a false date of execution to create the document introduced as Plaintiff's Exhibit 10. First, Defendants' expert forensic ink analyst, Erich Speckin, testified that he found manufacturer date tags in the ink for the disputed writings on Plaintiff's Exhibit 10, and that the sequence of those date tags establishes without question that the ink was manufactured in 1993, two years after Nachshon Draiman said he made the writings. (8/14/02 Tr., at 2214-25) That testimony is undisputed.
It is a known fact that justice in Chicago can be swayed in your favor with proper incentives. The trial judge left the bench after this case when the court ignored overwhelming evidence against Multiut and Nachshon Draiman and other cases were investigated by the government.
Nachshon Draiman’s intimidation of witnesses, blackmail and other scare tactics will not work.
Nachshon Draiman defrauds Israel Discount Bank in Hotel financing to the tune of $45 million dollars.
Utilizing modified and fabricated sales contract of units in the Jerusalem Pearl purchased and totally paid for by 1. Nachshon Draiman, 2. Elitzur Draiman, 3. Irwin L. Katz a former Federal Judge in Chicago, IL. and part owner of Multiut, 4. Barry Ray, 5. Danny Shabat, 6. Gershon Bassman, 7. Dr. Sam Lipschitz, 8. JACK L RAJCHENBACH . It seems presenting false and deceptive documents is a way of life for Nachshon Draiman
Nachshon Draiman presented a forged College Diploma to the Illinois Department of Registration in order to receive his Nursing Home Administrator’s license No. 44001323.
For More Information See: www.antidefamationusa.com.
This bellow listed Nursing Home formerly owned by Nachshon Draiman
Troubled nursing home's owners settle with state, give up license
Lori Rackl
The owners of a troubled south suburban nursing home have agreed to surrender their license to operate the facility as part of a settlement announced Friday by the Illinois Public Health Department.
The owners of Emerald Park Healthcare Center in Evergreen Park also are barred from applying for new nursing home licenses in Illinois for at least two years, according to the agreement.
The settlement marks the end of a tumultuous process that began more than a year ago, when the state Health Department first put the wheels in motion to revoke Emerald Park's operating license. That move came after health officials learned of a resident who traded sex for cigarettes and wound up pregnant -- a fact the nursing home remained unaware of for eight months.
Barred from new licenses
"Gross mismanagement" at the 249-bed facility prompted Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan to sue the home earlier this year in a bid to shut it down. All of the residents, most of whom were elderly or mentally ill, were relocated to new facilities last month.
A hearing to revoke Emerald Park's license was supposed to start Monday. That will no longer be necessary under the settlement, which prohibits the owners from operating a long-term care facility at the Emerald Park location for 50 years. But they can sell the property to a new owner, who would need state approval to reopen the facility.
"This sends a clear message that the department and the state are willing to take whatever steps are necessary to provide for public health and the safety of Illinois residents," said Dr. Eric Whitaker, state public health director.
Emerald Park's majority owner, Morris Esformes, is barred from applying for a new nursing home license for at least three years. The other owners, Marvin and Doreen Mermelstein, can't get a new license for at least two years. The owners' other Illinois nursing homes aren't affected by the settlement.
Attempts to reach both Esformes and the Mermelsteins late Friday were unsuccessful.
Posted by: Jay Drai | December 24, 2007 at 03:15 PM
Point is, read the indictment, the moiser is a bigger crook than any of the people charged in the case. He was the one profiting millions from cheating the government. Now he's the righteous one, and the weaker people he turned in to save his own skin are the crooks? His greed is what drove the scheme. His skin was in danger in the first place for other illegal fraudulent schemes he committed. He masqueraded as a baal tzedaka, and was so miserly he wouldn't give $5,000 to tzedaka unlesss he got a $50,000 tax benefit. R.K. had millions of dollars, but still wouldn't give tzedaka without getting a kickback. And in the end that nebach forced this guy to become a moiser. He's nebach a moiser, uber a moiser is er.
Posted by: | December 31, 2007 at 01:30 AM
SPINKA REBBE HAS ISSUES BUT HE WOULD NEVER TOLERATE SEX ABUSE.
Posted by: Lev | January 08, 2008 at 01:36 AM
Yochanon, c'mone, man.
Polish Catholic nobility was not antisemitic.
Orthodox(???) was.
Posted by: Lev | January 08, 2008 at 02:00 AM
I hardly think that when Chazal instituted the rule of mesirah, that they had in mind to allow it to be used by corrupt, unethical or immoral Jews to profit or otherwise benefit. The laws of mesirah were necessary under the Romans (and other brutal regimes), when Jews were informing on each other who is studying Torah or planning rebellions, in order to get in good with the government. In the U.S. the laws of mesirah hardly even matter. Here, it's just misused by greedy people to get Jews of good moral character to keep their mouths shut.
Posted by: poshiter yid | January 16, 2008 at 12:17 PM
JAY DRAI..AKA YEHUDA JAY DRAIMAN...THE REAL FRAUD...the ADJUDICATED FACTS ARE THAT..His claims are malicious, false, meritless,misrepresentations of the REAL FACTS and contrived. These baseless accusations are the fabrications of a disgruntled former employee, Yehuda "Jay" Draiman, a CONVICTED FELON who has been FOUND GUILTY of charges leading to millions of dollars in judgments by the Illinois and federal court system.
"Jay" has resorted to conjuring up false stories and contrived meritless accusations on the internet and public forums, to attempt to smear his former employer.
These facts can be verified by court records available from a Google search for "Multiut v. Yehuda".
Yehuda Jay Draiman is a former employee who was terminated in 2001 from Multiut Corporation when he was discovered diverting clients and funds of the company. He was subsequently FOUND GUILTY of breaches of fiduciary duty, CONSUMER FRAUD and deceptive trade practices and conspiracy, and a judgment in excess of $1.5 million was entered against him, in addition to several findings of contempt, by the Cook County Circuit Court & upheld by the Appellate court (ruling 1-03-0857).
http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/Appella ...
Federal courts have also entered subsequent judgments against Yehuda and his wife Miriam for committing false bankruptcy filings in yet another attempt to defame his former employer. Federal courts declared the judgments to be non-dischargeable due to the fraud involved by Yehuda Draiman, for abusing the court system in a manner similar to the way he now attempts to abuse the internet. These facts can be verified by federal court records available from a Google search for "Doyle Draiman".
http://www.ilnb.uscourts.gov/JudgeDoyle/Opini ...
Public documents verify that 'Jay' was also CONVICTED of 10 COUNT OF wire and mail FRAUD during the 1980's. Nachshon, Yehuda’s brother, originally provided Yehuda with a job in the Multiut company subsequent to general assistance he provided to help Yehuda and his family following Yehuda‘s first stint of a four year sentence to the federal penitentiary for that conviction in the 80's. See United States v. Draiman, 784 F.2d 248 (7th Cir. 1986)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/7th ...
Yehuda Draiman was also the subject of a special investigation conducted by the Illinois Legislative Investigating Commission for the Illinois General Assembly (see:4/22/75 Illinois Nursing Homes: A Report to the Illinois General Assembly).“Jay” was barred from serving in the nursing home field after HE DEFRAUDED a RESIDENT under his care of more than $40,000. The report cites testimony from a resident stating that Yehuda offered to return her money if she took a ride with him to his “bank”, and instead left her STRANDED in a DESERTED cornfield in the DEAD OF WINTER in 8 degree weather. Only by luck was she spotted by a passerby who reported the incident to the MCHENRY COUNTY SHERIIF"S Department. When the sheriff’s office interviewed Yehuda, he claimed “when they got out into the country she asked to be let out. He let her out and drove back to Chicago…and found her purse in the back seat.” In these instances, as well as the recent litigation, Yehuda Jay Draiman's tactic has been to invent illegalities to accuse his victims of, in order to shift the focus of attention away from him.
http://multiut.com/responses_to_YJD /IL_Assembly_Report_04_75.pdf
The current posting is just another example of Yehuda Jay Draiman's tactics.
For more information about defamation attempts by Yehuda Jay Draiman, see www.Illinoisantidefamation.com or www.IllinoisDefamationProtection.com
Posted by: MULTIUT PRESIDENT | March 10, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Chazal instituted the rule of mesirah, that they had in mind to allow it to be used by corrupt, unethical or immoral Jews to profit or otherwise benefit.
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