Girls Expelled From Religious School For Exposing Rabbi Who Sexually Abused Them

Ha'aretz and Channel 10 are reporting that two Orthodox sisters were expelled from their high school four months ago. Why? Because two years ago, these girls pressed charges against a rabbi who sexually abused them. The rabbi was convicted. The school expelled the girls then, but they were reinstated by a court order. This summer, the principal again expelled them.

Since being expelled, the sisters have been unable to find another religious school to enroll them.

The principal refuses to say why the girls were expelled, although the sisters claim the principal said they were "unsuited" for the school, claiming the older girl was "seen with a boy on Yom Kippur," a charge the girl denies.

From the girls' dress, I would think the school system involved is part of the National Religious school system.

Comments

[Garnel Ironheart]

How much you want to bet that these two girls wind up becoming completely non-religious in practice and anti-religious in philosophy? And who would blame them?

In the end, rabbis like these are the most effective counterweight to Aish, Ohr and Chabad. They just don't have an umbrella organization and their own stationary yet.

[Archie Bunker]

One can even be detained in Israel for financial matters with a "tzavaat ikkuv". How is it that this principal has not been arrested for this criminal act?

[Yosef ben Matitya]

tzav ikkuv (tzavaa is will)
Archie, there is a serious problem with the administration of justice in Israel.
To the uninformed onlooker, the name Sdom -land of socialist and or religious commissars- would appear more apt @ describing the country than Israel.
Unfortunate, but a fact. Almost nothing is what it appears to be. It's a country with tremendous amount of existential problems, that occupies itself in window dressing. They fancy their problems not to be real but rather problems of hasbara. If we just could fool ourselves and the goyim, the problems would disappear. :-) or should I rather think :-(

UOJ and Shmarya get results !!!

Someone put the list of rabbis who work with Tropper from a page on the EJF web site. The page is no longer there

http://www.eternaljewishfamily.org/rabbis/bateidinlist.htm

[lakewoodshmuck]

...and you thought the chareidim are bad. ..

[Yosef ben Matitya]

...and you thought the chareidim are bad. ..

like my son says:
sure, we learn here qal vahomer!

[Yosef ben Matitya]

..and you thought the chareidim are bad. ..
by the way, who said the school is not chareidi? the girls sure look the part!

[Archie Bunker]

The girls do not look Charedi by Israeli standards. Shmarya is probably correct that they are Dati-Leumi.

[Patrick Keefe]

What kind of a parent would continue to send their girls to a school like this? Try sending your kid to another school, geniuses.

[Archie Bunker]

Patrick,

They might live in a remote location that would require a long commute to go elsewhere.

[Archie Bunker]

It's about time something was done about these freeloaders.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517217910&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Dec 26, 2007 22:55 | Updated Dec 26, 2007 22:57
Sheetrit to get tough on foreign workers
By RUTH EGLASH

"There are thousands of illegal workers coming into Israel all the time," Sheetrit told those gathered, referring specifically to the influx of Sudanese refugees via Israel's border with Egypt. "Out of 10,000, only about 600 are actually from Darfur; the rest have just lived in Egypt for years and are looking to improve their address. My job is to prevent all these people from coming in," he continued, outlining proposals such as issuing all Israeli citizens with biometric identity cards and passports, creating special visas in the country of origin for all migrant workers and forcing employers to pay social benefits for their workers, with the money being released when the worker's visa expires and he or she leaves the country.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Archie: Check this out: (From JTA):

GOP field's focus on immigration
has some Jewish groups worried

Ben Harris
The overheated rhetoric against illegal immigration has dominated talk radio and some television news programs, spilling into the GOP presidential race. The trend is increasingly arousing concern from national Jewish groups.

Published: 12/24/2007

NEW YORK (JTA) -- Though it lies nearly 500 miles from the nearest international border, the tiny town of Postville, whose kosher meatpacking plant has drawn a melting pot of Hasidic Jews and Hispanic immigrants to the Iowa heartland, presents a case study of the tensions that have made immigration a top concern for voters there heading into primary season.

Last summer, the backlash against Postville's new arrivals spilled over onto the Town Council, one member of which made derogatory remarks about Hispanic residents; he accused them of not respecting the town's law and culture and importing drugs and crime. Seven local clergy, including a rabbi, shot back, denouncing the council member, who also had unkind words for Postville's insular ultra-Orthodox community.

Yet with all its tensions, Postville, which in the 1990s was the fastest-growing community in Iowa, remains economically viable in large part because of the businesses that have taken advantage of the town's strong labor market.

"It's one of the few communities you can go up and down main street," Mark Zieman, a Postville Republican in the state senate, told JTA. "They ain't the same storefronts that were there 25 years ago, but they're still storefronts."

Though Zieman says last summer's conflict seems to have cooled, overheated rhetoric against illegal immigration has dominated talk radio and some television news programs, and spilled into the presidential campaign. As GOP candidates race to paint each other as being soft on the issue, the maneuvering is increasingly arousing concern from national Jewish groups.

Earlier this month, the Anti-Defamation League issued a statement urging presidential candidates to refrain from polarizing rhetoric that demonizes minority group, but particularly Hispanics. The statement follows a lengthy ADL report showing how inflammatory rhetoric has seeped into the national discourse on immigration.

"While there are many legitimate and sincere perspectives in the national conversation about illegal immigration and immigration in general, we are deeply troubled by some of the rhetoric accompanying this debate," the ADL said in its recent statement. "In our view, demonizing illegal immigrants has the effect of demonizing many minorities, particularly Hispanics, regardless of their citizenship status. It is contrary to the high ideals upon which our nation -- a nation of immigrants -- was founded."

In its report, the ADL objected to rhetoric that portrays immigrants as invaders seeking to colonize the United States, while importing disease and crime and eroding the American way of life. The report also shows how portrayals of immigrants as disease-carriers has spread to mainstream discourse, employed by media personalities like CNN's Lou Dobbs and MSNBC's Patrick Buchanan.

The only presidential candidate named in the ADL report, U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), has made illegal immigration a pet issue. One Tancredo ad features photos of bloody corpses, as a voice-over warns of "vicious Central American gangs" in America "pushing drugs, raping kids, destroying lives." Another ad says immigrants "invaded our land" and promises to build a fence and never give "amnesty" to illegals.

Though Tancredo has recently dropped out of the race, his relentlessness on immigration has helped make it a key issue in the Republican primary. Recently, during one debate, Tancredo gloated over what he described as fellow Republican candidates trying to "out-Tancredo Tancredo" by staking out increasingly hard-line positions on immigration.

"This is as true a statement as has ever been made on the campaign trail," said Gideon Aronoff, president of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, who referred to Tancredo as an anti-immigrant "demagogue."

Owing at least in part to Tancredo's hammering away on the issue, leading contenders in the Republican field have been moved to adopt more conservative positions on immigration than they supported in the past.

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, slammed by opponents for turning New York into a "sanctuary city," has labored to present himself as firm on fighting illegal immigration. "If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city," Giuliani said in 1994. "You're somebody that we want to protect."

Seeking to upend his image as mayor of a city teeming with illegal workers, in October Giuliani dropped in at a controversial Philadelphia restaurant whose owner had drawn fire for posting a sign telling all customers to order in English. And in a recent Republican debate, Giuliani turned the tables on former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, accusing him of having presided over not one, but six sanctuary cities in his state, as well as a "sanctuary mansion" at his home, where a landscaping company Romney employed reportedly used illegal immigrant labor.

Both Giuliani and Romney emphasize bolstering border security and introducing biometric identification cards to identify non-citizens in the country. Even Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor seen as moderate on immigration, recently introduced a get-tough policy plan, which includes a call for a crackdown on dual citizens -- a move that might make it a crime for Americans who hold Israeli citizenship to use Israeli passports to enter the Jewish state or vote in its elections.

"We see the immigration issue poisoning the discussion in the early caucus and primary states, where Republican presidential candidates are seeking to outmaneuver each other on how harsh they can be about undocumented immigrants and immigrants in general," Aronoff said.

The Republican Jewish Coalition rejected the notion that the leading candidates in the GOP field have crossed any sort of line in the immigration debate.

"We understand and appreciate that some Jewish organizations have issued statements regarding the rhetoric related to the issue of immigration on the 2008 presidential campaign," said the RJC's executive director, Matt Brooks. "Fortunately, we have yet to see this as a legitimate concern among the top Republican presidential candidates. The candidates have struck a commendable balance with their public comments while trying to find much needed workable solutions for our country's broken immigration policies. We strongly condemn the use of any hateful or divisive rhetoric in the campaign and we encourage all candidates to be mindful of such."

Stephen Steinlight, a senior policy analyst at the Center for Immigration Studies and a former American Jewish Committee official, says the mounting concern over immigration rhetoric is a signal that the broad institutional Jewish support for generous immigration policies is being successfully undermined. In fear and desperation, he says, the ADL has fallen back on name-calling.

"What they are doing is taking a small, unrepresentative sample and putting it out there as though this is what the cause of those of us who don't support comprehensive immigration reform are all about," Steinlight told JTA. "It is what you call demagoguery, trying to get Jews fired up by quoting a few organizations who have made xenophobic comments to suggest that xenophobia is the heart of things."

Steinlight has done considerable outreach efforts to try and change longstanding liberal Jewish attitudes on immigration. He argues that Jews are undermining their own interests by advocating for a path to citizenship for illegal Hispanic immigrants, a group he claims to be the most anti-Semitic in the world after Muslims. A 2002 ADL poll found that 44 percent of foreign-born Hispanics hold strongly anti-Semitic views.

He argued that Jews mistakenly conflate their own history of finding refuge in the United States with today's immigrants, who he said are motivated mainly by economic interests and would happily return to their own countries if better opportunities presented themselves.

"This is not the Jewish story," Steinlight says. "This ain't what Emma Lazarus was writing about."

Steinlight's concern is principally with illegal immigrants, whom he would like to incentivize to leave the country on their own accord by making their lives as difficult as possible. But even legal immigration, he believes, should be severely curtailed, noting that the country no longer has the same need for unskilled labor as it did a century ago.

That might be news in Postville, where Hispanic immigrants have snatched up the low-paying, low-skilled jobs in the meatpacking industry. Though some have accused the immigrants of taking jobs from locals by accepting lower wages, Zieman says a labor "vacuum" draws immigrant workers to the area.

"I don't know that immigration's the issue," Zieman says. "I don't hear much complaint about immigrants per se, but the illegal part really rankles people."

Lavie again: My own feeling is that a nation is defined by its borders, language, and culture. I welcome legal immigrants, who want to become Americans, into the USA. Most of my students are immigrants, so I'd be out of a job w/o them! But people have to come legally and embrace the culture.

As for Israel, like America is has become addicted to cheap labor. I don't mind doing a humanitarian gesture for a limited amount of actual Dafurian refugees (you & I probably disagree about that, but that's another discussion). However, Israel's character as a Jewish state is under attack by enemies from without and within. It cannot afford to become the employment agency of choice for the entire region.

(I may be on the liberal side of Traditional, but I am mostly conservative or libertarian politically- depending on the issue).

[Yochanan Lavie]

I may be on the liberal side of Traditional- religiously speaking, that is.

[Patrick Keefe]

"They might live in a remote location that would require a long commute to go elsewhere."

Then they should move elsewhere! For God's sake: some people decide where to live just because of the school system. And if you are too poor and stupid to do that, then you shouldn't have had kids to begin with!

[A perplexed reader]

"the Bible's account is myth"

-Smarya.

[A perplexed reader]

"the Bible's account is myth"

-Smarya.

[jupiter]

they are charedi.

national religious people are moral, open minded and honest.

[Paul Freedman]

YL: I don't see current undocumented entry across the Rio Grande as being at all analagous to the regulated, documented, and legally controlled immigrations from Eastern and Western Europe into the United States, cut off (and successfully so, very successfully) in the early 1900's. These citizens of Mexico and Central and South America and the tens and hundreds of thousands of overstayed and under-the-radar international visitors are here without documentation, without regulation, and with a government only as fractionally as interested in cleaning up the INS mess and properly regulating their entry as it was in denying the S.S, St. Louis berth in an American port. I don't understand why ADL poobahs see this as a "Jewish issue".

[Archie Bunker]

Regarding the dumb comment at 4:22 am by someone naming themselves after an idolatrous deity, how do they know the girls are Charedi?

Check out Joseph Izrael's blog for a long list of National Religious type molesters and enablers.

[Archie Bunker]

"I don't understand why ADL poobahs see this as a "Jewish issue".

When was the last time Abe Foxman passed up an opportunity to get some publicity and mileage for himself out of something - anything?

[Archie Bunker]

Via UOJ:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/crime/ny-lifink165504812dec17,0,6152499,full.story

Harvey Saul Finkelstein comes from a family distinguished for its leadership in Long Island's Jewish community. His father, Rabbi Ezra Finkelstein, led the Midway Jewish Center in Syosset for more than 20 years, and his grandfather headed the Jewish Theological Seminary from 1940 to 1973. His brother is a rabbi at a New Jersey synagogue.

He and his wife, Miriam, who also works in his Plainview clinic, are active members of the Dix Hills Jewish Center. In 2005, Finkelstein told a reporter that he attends religious services twice a day

Check out what this "Malpractice Putz" is responsible for.

[Yosef ben Matitya]

"Check out Joseph Izrael's blog for a long list of National Religious type molesters and enablers."

Actually, what difference does it make?
One does not preclude the other.
Unless we are in a contest on which camp has more scoundrels.
It's not like because some are D.L's maniacs, there would be no hareidi or vice versa.
Except for the fact that the higher ground one takes, the more ridiculous he will appear when caught with his pants down.
In which case, none would be more ridiculous than the hareidi. (suffice to look at mondrovich picture). Though to the victims is more tragic, and to judaism in general, a hareidi animal makes a bigger hillul hashem.

[Misnaged]

Did the girls perhaps break the rules of lashon ha'ra (created by male rabbis) by reporting this teacher Y"S? This means that any kind of orthodoxy can be as hypocritical and fallible as any secular institution can be.

[The Heilge Rebbe of Otisville]

Judging by their dress they do not look like Religious Zionist, they look more of beit yaakov type. Also the books in background are more typical to hara-di homes.

[Archie Bunker]

Otisville,

What is acceptable for Beis Yaakov in NY is considered too flashy in Israel unless you are in school exclusively for Americans.

A friend of my wife who attended Bais Yaakov Jerusalem was ostracized as "not one of us" for wearing stylish clothes.

I think Shmarya is right that they are Dati-Leumi.

I don't care what they are. I just want the principal and teacher imprisoned.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Archie and Paul: Good comments regarding immigration and on the irrelevence of the hashafah of molestors and their enablers. We actually agree on a few things!

[Yochanan Lavie]

That should be "hashkafah," sorry.

[Archie Bunker]

Lest people think that when it comes to Sephardi-Ashkenazi relations it is only the latter who have behaved in an improper manner, let me quote some interesting historical tidbits from Zimmels in Ashkenazim and Sephardim, p. 62:

In the year 1766 the Sephardi congrgation in London passed a law forbidding a Sephardi to marry an Ashkenazith and stipulated that the wife or widow could not obtain any relief from the ‘Zedakah’ (charity). Moreover, in the year 1772 a Sephardi asked the permission of the ‘Maamad’ to marry a “Tudesca’ but was refused, and in the Sephardi Synagogues in Amsterdam and London the Ashkenazim were prevented by wooden barriers from proceeding beyond the place permitted to them.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Unfortunately, in the Jewish world, as well as in the goyishe world, it's all about power- not kedushah. See Nevi'im, for example.

[Misnaged]

Yochanan Lavie:

"Unfortunately, in the Jewish world, as well as in the goyishe world, it's all about power- not kedushah."

Good and well-expressed point. For this reason I have long time ago stopped to believe in any sort of "election" or "holy caracter" of the Jewish people. Just same shit as any other nation. Period.

[Yosef ben Matitya]

In the year 1766 (wow! ybm) the Sephardi congrgation in London passed a law forbidding .......from the ‘Zedakah’ (charity). Moreover, in the year 1772 (re-wow! ybm) a Sephardi asked the permission ........

oooooh, yeah! indeed very valid grounds for revenge 'al shileshim ve'al ribbe'eem, lest one think otherwise! chos vecholile.
but hold on, didn't 3, 4, or 10 generations pass? in anycase, to protect the congregations against certain people who bear grudge, maybe such psaqs are called for. No?

[A perplexed reader]

Misnaged, anyone that thinks we were "elected" has a false understanding of the concept. All the reformists that tried to eliminate "chosenness" from the religion suffer from the same disease as well. We were chosen because we are the offspring of the great men Avraham, Yitzchak and Yaakov. That's it. G-d chose us as the nation to give his Torah to. Not on account of our righteousness or anything else, but because G-d keeps his promises and kept them to the patriarchs. Why must people assume that we are automatically good people for being Jewish? We aren't. We have free choice like everyone else, and we sin like everyone else. This is according to the Torah. So anyone that "believes in" something else, I'm not sure where they got it from. That said, Jewish family structure is traditionally of good record relatively speaking, and Jews in science have had many achievements relative to other nations. Still this has more to do with blessing than any amount of righteousness, wouldn't you say?

[R]

re: the sephardim vs ashkenazim.
The sephardim were in the UK well before the ashkenazim, who only came later on and were very poor. So because of their poor status and the fact they weren't like the enlightened sephardim they were treated badly.
This does not mean that once the ashkenazim have the power and the money they can do the same. It was bad before and it's still bad.
It's called baseless hate and isn't that why the Bet Hamikdash was destroyed? It seems we never learn.

Back to the original topic. For some reason i couldn't read the haaretz page, but it really doesn't surprise me.
I do know of someone who complained about her principle for peeping on the girls and no one believed her. Instead she was given hell from the school and the teachers and surprise surprise she quit trusting the orthodox system.
Now what i want to know is why are the schools so corrupt and why do parents care so little as to let it get that way. And yes it is the parents who allow this as they keep sending their kids there. If there were no kids attending the school, then there would be no school.