Yigal Amir's Family: No Remorse For Murder Of Rabin

Ha'aretz TV has a snippet of video from the circumcision ceremony of Yigal Amir's son. Amir is the assassin of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, currently incarcerated in an Israeli jail. He married his wife while incarcerated. The baby is a product of artificial insemination, apparently from sperm smuggled out of the prison by Amir's wife after their lone conjugal visit. If labor was induced or a C-section done, that would mean it is likely the Amir's planned the birth so that the circumcision would coincide with the anniversary of Rabin's death. Amir's mother dismisses this by disingenuously acting as if the pregnancy was not done through artificial insemination. Then, a reporter and Amir's brother Amitai have the following exchange:

Reporter: "You aren't even remorseful about the murder?"

Amitai Amir: "No."

Reporter: "Even on this day?" [The 12th anniversary of Rabin's assassination by Yigal Amir.]

Amitai Amir: "Chass v'chalilah! [God forbid!]"

Almost 50% of religious Jews think Amir should be paroled in 2015, after serving 20 years. But Amir and his family show no remorse whatsoever. Why should an unrepentant murderer be set free? I can't see a good reason to parole Amir. He, his family and his friends are a stain on the people of Israel. Let him rot.

Comments

[Isa]

Rabin was a rodef and worse
But is what is REALLY worse is that Amir made Rabin in some sort of HERO for ever!!!!

[Yochanan Lavie]

Rabin and the Oslo process were misguided, but it does not justify murder. Use the ballot, not the bullet.

me thinks you have a typo.

BTW I have no problem with him staying in jail until 20015

[Ann]

Amir should sit in jail for the rest of his life. He is being portrayed as a hero. I do not know what is more sickening, his wife or the fact Amir has no remorse for assassinating a man. The simple fact that he has expressed no remorse makes me hope he stays in jail.

[dk]

let rabin rot in hell, he has more jewish blood on his hands, then does amir.

[Garnel Ironheart]

Rabin's career should have ended with a resounding electoral defeat in 1996, not with an assassination for which there can never be any justification. Certainly the murder of a national leader, no matter how much one might have agreed with them, is a special case for life without parole. On the other hand, if what Shmarya wrote is true:

> Why should an unrepentant murderer be set free?

One wonders about all the Arab terrorists released from Israeli jails recently. Why doesn't that standard apply to them?

[Anon]

"If labor was induced or a C-section done, that would mean it is likely the Amir's planned the birth so that the circumcision would coincide with the anniversary of Rabin's death."

Ordinarily I would say you are being your paranoid self, but in this case I'm not so sure.

[Fran]

I am a religious jew, and while i am not sad that Rabin is no longer in charge of Israel i think Amir is a scumbag and should rot in jail for the rest of his life. Who is he to kill anyone? G-d told him to? While he has no proof of what, we do have proof of the whole DONT KILL commandment G-d DID say.

And as a religious jew shouldnt he know the story of Gedaliah?? (leader of the jews after the 2nd temple who was killed by fellow jews who disagreed with him, and thereby caused the Jews to be thrown out of Jerusalem. Leading to the fast we have today named after him)

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

B"H
May Yigal Amir's newborn son who was named ינון אליה שלום (Yanon Eliyahu Shalom) may he live ling and be well merit live in a world where all the negative consequences of Oslo are rectified.
It is not enough to kill a politician promoting suicidal idea. The most this does is delays the implemetnation of an idea by a few years as we have seen.
The society must be educated to stop electing such politicians.
PS. Shmarya writes: "he baby is a product of artificial insemination, apparently from sperm smuggled out of the prison by Amir's wife after their lone conjugal visit."
you are mixing two things they tried to smugle sperm but were caught trying to smugle sperm during a regular visit not a conjugal one (since at that time the prison authorities didn't yet recognize the validity of Yigal's marriage to Larisa), later the court ruled that Yigal Amir has a right to have conjugal visits with his wife and the baby was concieved naturaly.

[Yakir Pinchas]

Yigal Amir was not fully rational in his approach, but I do not mourn the loss of the Oslo-accords-signing impotent Marxist Yitzchak Rabin.

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

B"H
Dear Yakir
Yigal Amir shot Rabin since he belived the law regarding a rodef and moser applied.
He wanted to prevent further agreements that were boound to result in murder of the Jews thru extra terorism and robbery of the parts of the land of Yisrael.
If he was a Marxist is not relevant to the issue and if he was impotent is between him his wife and his doctor.
Don't throw insults at the dead for no good reason.
You are not going to score any points this way.

[rabbidw]

The problem with Rodef and Kanaim Pogim Bo, is that if you are wrong you are a murderer. I believe Amir meant well, but his actions made a martyr out of Rabin and created an image of terror on the right.He was wrong. Twenty years is too short a time under the circumstances. I would not rule out the possibilty of his being freed some day, perhaps on May 15, 2048, Israel's 100th anniversary.

[pure sphardic]

I don't think G-d told Pinchas to kill Zimri, some things you do then ask. Thats the Jewish way, na'ase ve'nishma.

[Mordecai]

Yes 50% of religious Jews want him paroled -- very interesting. I have always been wary (as well as weary) of religious fanatics because they are prone to excesses and scare the horses.

[Shmarya]

Ariel –

His last conjugal visit was a in October of 2006, according to what I've seen. The baby was born 12 months later, if you see what I mean.

[Talmid]

Wrong....

You're still lying and everyone who reads your BS knows that.

Everyone knows what you said in the past:

"THE REBBE NEVER WHEN TO THE SORBONNE"

"THE REBBE NEVER WHEN TO BERLIN"

These statements have all been proven false. Now you twist your statements; we all know what you said:

You're the liar. And when you lie about one thing, you can't be trusted about other things either.

If you even wrote the Rebbe, which is certainly not likely, you probably got the Rebbe's answer. You either didn't like what he said, or you didn't understand it. My guess is that you're just lying about that too--you couldn't grasp the Rebbe's teachings so you got angry at him for being smarter than you.

Your lies about getting ready to sit for smicha are obvious to anyone reading this blog as well. You make anti-Rubashkin tee-shirt logos: "I got slaughtered glatt kosher...."

An animal doesn't get slaughtered "glatt kosher." The animal gets slaughtered and its lungs are checked to see if it is glatt kosher. Anyone who knows the first thing about kashrus knows that. You certainly didn't learn Chulin. Another lie.

It's more than obvious that you just can't stand knowing that the Rebbe was a million times smarter than you...so you lied about a known fact to try and make it seem that the Rebbe wasn't who he was.

Then you lied about some "tie to Lubavitch" to make yourself seem more believable. However, your lies are pretty weak--we can all see through them.

All except the willing believers who believe your trashy tabloid postings: They already hate the Rebbe; for the same reasons you do. Do you think that you are convincing them of anything?

You're a liar right now. But you could be a lot more than you're making yourself out to be. If, instead of improving yourself, you want to be a loser (as well as a liar), keep up your self-destructive behavior--that's your choice.

Real men (and women) don't blame others for their failings.

What you should do is admit to everyone that you lied about all of these things. It's completely obvious to all of us.

You will take the first steps toward becoming a normal person; and getting over your anger at the world. You'll be taking responsibility for your own problems, instead of pinning them on a dead person.

If you want to keep lying, then good luck to you. You may want to seek some help in making up better lies though--your current ones are pretty bad.

Be well.

[Talmid]

Wrong....

You're still lying and everyone who reads your BS knows that.

Everyone knows what you said in the past:

"THE REBBE NEVER WHEN TO THE SORBONNE"

"THE REBBE NEVER WHEN TO BERLIN"

These statements have all been proven false. Now you twist your statements; we all know what you said:

You're the liar. And when you lie about one thing, you can't be trusted about other things either.

If you even wrote the Rebbe, which is certainly not likely, you probably got the Rebbe's answer. You either didn't like what he said, or you didn't understand it. My guess is that you're just lying about that too--you couldn't grasp the Rebbe's teachings so you got angry at him for being smarter than you.

Your lies about getting ready to sit for smicha are obvious to anyone reading this blog as well. You make anti-Rubashkin tee-shirt logos: "I got slaughtered glatt kosher...."

An animal doesn't get slaughtered "glatt kosher." The animal gets slaughtered and its lungs are checked to see if it is glatt kosher. Anyone who knows the first thing about kashrus knows that. You certainly didn't learn Chulin. Another lie.

It's more than obvious that you just can't stand knowing that the Rebbe was a million times smarter than you...so you lied about a known fact to try and make it seem that the Rebbe wasn't who he was.

Then you lied about some "tie to Lubavitch" to make yourself seem more believable. However, your lies are pretty weak--we can all see through them.

All except the willing believers who believe your trashy tabloid postings: They already hate the Rebbe; for the same reasons you do. Do you think that you are convincing them of anything?

You're a liar right now. But you could be a lot more than you're making yourself out to be. If, instead of improving yourself, you want to be a loser (as well as a liar), keep up your self-destructive behavior--that's your choice.

Real men (and women) don't blame others for their failings.

What you should do is admit to everyone that you lied about all of these things. It's completely obvious to all of us.

You will take the first steps toward becoming a normal person; and getting over your anger at the world. You'll be taking responsibility for your own problems, instead of pinning them on a dead person.

If you want to keep lying, then good luck to you. You may want to seek some help in making up better lies though--your current ones are pretty bad.

Be well.

[Isa]

Hey Talmid:
Claiming a degree from the Sorbonne, while only auditing class(s) is downright academic FRAUD. My Orthodox rabbi of yesteryear had a direct impression that the Rebbe had a Sorbonne degree. Quit drinking that Koolaid.

[Lev]

It's a tragedy.
Russians are into Larisa's sort of things.
They believe that Mordechai Vanunu's head should be on the pike.
Are they wrong?

[Shmarya]

Everyone knows what you said in the past:

"THE REBBE NEVER WHEN TO THE SORBONNE"

"THE REBBE NEVER WHEN TO BERLIN"

First of all, you're on the wrong post.

Secondly, I did a site search for these 'quotes.' Nothing comes up.

I searched further. Still nothing.

But it is clear I wrote the rebbe went to Berlin but noted no degrees
were awarded him.

I wrote there was no evidence of any Sorbonne student status, etc.
Later, last month, in fact, Chabad released the Rebbe's Sorbonne
registration documents. I then posted that information, noting there
was still no evidence of any classes taken, tests turned in, papers
written, etc. This evidence exists for other Sorbonne students of that
era, but NOT for Mendel Schneerson.

There are no records for the Rebbe and there are no known witnesses to
any class attendence by him.

I reported Chabad's find, just as I reported the Rebbe's lack of
degrees, etc.

You on the other hand lied about what I wrote.

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

B"H
Here is a link to a new video presentation I found posted on Dr. Larissa Amir's live journal http://larissat.livejournal.com
http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2011252
explaining why Yigal should be freed from prison.
(The video is in Hebrew Larisa's blog is in Russian, however all of you linguistically challenged Americans and others (:-) can still read it thru Google translate:
http://www.google.com/translate?
u=http%3A%2F%2Flarissat.livejournal.com&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

[Shmarya]

Why not just translate it for us? Send me the translation with a link to the original Russian and I'll post it.

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

B"H
Are you kidding?
You want me to translate Larissa's live journal with posts few times a week since 2004 with often more than a 100 comments from the readers on each post?
Anyway I gave you the direct link to Google translate. Click on it and you can read all the posts and comments 8in fairly easy to understand English auto-translation from Russian:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=larissat.livejournal.com
&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

She writes about her life about dealing with the media that often misrepresents her statements. Writes having to endure hearing silly conspiracy theories like the one that you mention that they somehow planned the pregnancy for the birth of their son or his bris-milah to happen on a specific date.
The most recent post is an invitation to readers for the seudat mitzvah in honor of t her son's bris with an instruction not to bring photo-cameras since they will try to avoid allowing any paparzis in.
Also vast majority of comments are positive.
This could be also related to the fact that the blog is in Russian and Russian Jews are usually much more right wing than average and have less respect for the decisions of Israeli political/legal system when it tramples Torah, morality and common sense having come from a country that has had similarly corrupt one.
Come to think of it many of the original Zionist fighters were Russian and Polish Jews and they didn't have much respect for British Mandate "democratic" system either as you probably recall.:-)

[Shmarya]

I just meant the part about why she believes her husband should be paroled.

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

B"H
You can link or embed the video itself
:
http://www.flix.co.il/
tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2011252

(which is in Hebrew) as a post and ask readers to help you translate.
Here is a post about it from YNET:
http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles/0,7340,L-3462451,00.html



Video calling to free Yigal Amir released

Some 150,000 copies of video calling for Rabin's assassin's release distributed across country

Efrat Weiss
Published: 10.21.07, 21:00 / Israel News

A new video calling for the release of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's murderer Yigal Amir is being distributed across Israel as part of a campaign ahead of Rabin's memorial day.

The "Committee for Democracy" which produced the film, with an investment of hundreds of thousands of shekels, has already released 150,000 copies of the video.

The 15-minute-long movie contains footage from Amir's childhood and military service and attempts to explain the background for the murder. It also features footage from Amir's investigation, photos of Rabin and Yasser Arafat signing the Oslo Accords, and images from suicide bombings and from demonstrations against Rabin.

The film features Amir's mother, Geula, his wife, Larissa Trimbobler, and members of the "Committee for Democracy" Avigdor Askin, Baruch Marzel and Itamar Ben-Gvir.

Trimbobler says in the movie that she is glad to finally be able to speak without the "filters of the media." She claims that she and her husband have been subjected to persecution only because Amir had ruined the Left's "Oslo dream," and states that Minister Rehavam Ze'evi's assassins were being treated better than Amir.

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Ben-Gvir told Ynet Sunday that the movie aimed to "teach democracy to the Left. I have never supported Yigal Amir's actions, but when the release of Barghouti or the murderers of Danny Katz is being discussed, we say to the leftists – criticize yourself first. I'm always happy to teach those leftists who consider themselves liberal and pluralistic something about freedom of speech."

PS. The famous Israeli singer/composer Ariel Zilber ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Zilber also takes part in the video

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

B"H
TV France report (in English) about the campaign to free Yigal Amir notice the creative spin the very left wing of the reporter and the way various clips are filmed and put together to diminish the apparent number of Amir's supporters and to present them as lacking unity etc.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQU54AriGko
It seems even less objective than Israeli news reports on the subject
( Reminds me COL.org.il photo and video reports from 770 pictures taken in such way that only an ocasional "Yechi!" yarmolka wearing person is seen while in truth most such people are majority as can be seen if you visit the place or go see the live video on 770live.com )

[Yonah]

I thought artifical insemination is assur.

[R]

That woman is a crazy. Yigal Amir should be kept in jail as he's a danger to society. Do you want a crazed Loon running around your streets proclaiming to be some sort of prophet that G-d talks to and tells him who to kill? In my books that is called a schizo and he should be on medication for his ailments.
Sad sad sad. Yitchak Rabin was no saint, but because he got shot he's Israel's version of JFK. He wouldn't have been in power much longer and who did they have after him anyway? So killing him didn't gain anything. Amir is a murderer but is probably because of his mental illness. I hope it's not genetic.

[Isa]

Dear Yonah:
You can find a rabbi to call anything assur including you responding to this blog.

[Ariel Sokolovsky]

Yonah according to virtually all poskim artifical insemination is mutar when it is between a husband and wife.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

The animal gets slaughtered and its lungs are checked to see if it is glatt kosher. Anyone who knows the first thing about kashrus knows that.

Then would you please tell the 'OU' to stop certifying 'Glatt Kosher' chickens?

[Mordecai]

Ultramarine:

Wow. I never thought of that. That is logic at its best. You must come from the rational branch of Judaism. Have you not been swept up in a wave of mystical transcendal bliss?

[Misnaged]

May Yigal Amir sit in the prison until his death. The only person I feel pity for in this story is Amir Jr. who is punished for the rest of his life because these fascists, yimach sh'mam, decided to bring him into this world.

Deep, deep shame on this family!!!

[Lev]

Ariel Sokolovsky, you repeated what I wrote about Larisa and other Amir's groupies, and that's OK, but, pardon me please, but your graphic description of the sperm/insemination stuff is called in Yiddish "ekeldic"...

[anonymous]

Rabin was also a murderer. Every November, there appears to be St. Rabin's Day, and event where religious Zionist Jews are condemned for Amir's actions.

[Lev]

Guys, let's forget Larisa Whatever Amir.
Story is freakish.