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June 14, 2007

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If God lived on earth, people would break His windows.

sad, really sad for a yeshivah with its history.

The Israeli authorities need to bulldoze this "yeshiva." Problem solved.

"Guzik himself used to put on tefillin every day"

Cite?

B"H
Violence is used by everyone even recently by budhist who preach non violence.
To say that violence as a way to resolve communal disputes is a product of chareidi ideology is dishonest.
For example it says in Kitzur Shulchan Aruch that a rabbi of the community may order to beat up a Jewish merchant who constantly cheats customers (assuming there is no other way to fix the problem thus it's doubtfull that this applies in our time.)
Still it says nowhere that it is ppermited to use violence to assert control over the inheritance or in this case a Yeshivah. It is clear that that the Torah obligates them to chose a neutral Beis Din to resolve the problem or to use a Zabla arbitration not to beat people up and throw bombs.
It is hard to understand how can one blame Chareidim as a group made up of many diverse factions for actions of some vandals in one Yeshivah.

don't blame parents for their children's actions, adults are adults--these particular religious guys aren't exactly going to the matresses; sounds like they're only giving each other klumpfs--and yeah, buddhist monks in monasteries have been known in similar circumstances to enage in mob violence: factions storming each other's redoubts, hurling whatever it is buddhist monks would hurl at each other (furniture? footstools? mandalas? incense burners?)

Males are territorial

Part of the problem with all the various succession battles is that the charedi and chassidic communities have not evolved beyond medieval leaderhip and organizational structures. It's a problem that goes from the large sects all the way down to the little yeshivas. Simply put, there's no lay leadership involved in running these operations. When you have a Rebbe who controls the purse, it's a recipe for disaster.

A yeshiva, synagogue or any other organization without an independant lay board of directors is simply non-transparent. If no one knows where the money is coming from or going to, then the leaders can easily become corrupt. In addition, if control means absolute power, then there's more incentive to behave like a feudal lord.

The violence in yeshivot should come as no surprise - it si sthe culmination of vioelnt rhetoric of the rosh yeshiva, who created a climate of hatred for everyone left of his dass torah, and these are the natural consequences.

I-Gor: I think this is a very good point--the Rebbe's institutions survived his death in part because he had in some sense limited his own power and devolved authority in the various institutes to subordinates to whom he granted a good degree of freedom--but then eventually you end up with the local unit that is the petty fiefdom of its particular rosh. Non-Orthodox rabbi's have been known to embezzle temple funds, for example, but independent lay boards serve as an independent check and balance. They just don't place the rabbi "above" them. But communities that have an authoritorian commitment to "daas Torah" won't permit themselves this freedom of criticism.

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