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February 20, 2007

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None of these links are working, and I had no idea that Matt Tropp was involved in these cases. I know Matt and his family, and I didn't know of these allegations. I would like to find out more about this case, as I have always thought of Matt as an honest and respectable man. Obviously, we have seen in the past that we don't always know people we think we do....

links out????

YU Guy: Ask me here or off the forum about Lanner. I was there. (I don't know Tropp, but his name rings a bell.)

Yochanan, I agree that what Lanner did was horrible, He is paying for that. Beofre I include OTHER people in his sin, I would like to find out more inrofmation. I know his son, and he is a great guy, we don't damn by association.

Thanks for the link in Email. I was a bit young during this case, though.

I dislike Matt personally and because of the Lanner affair and I agree that he was an enabler.
Saying that, what do you want to do with him. Do you want him to drop dead, to be exiled in a remote island, or what? He is no longer in NCSY, no longer with children. He was never accused of being anything more then enabler. He may have done Teshuva and now he needs to make living.
If you have any current accusation against him, then by all means, expose them! Otherwise, leave him alone.

BTW, with all faults of the OU orgaization, they at least did not ban the internest when the Lanner issue was exposed. They dealt with it; could have dealt better, but for sure they are superior to anything Agudah have done with YTT, NI or other cases. So they removed Matt from NCSY and now he is in Aish, which with all faults you may find with that move, is not that bad.

za,

I don't know Rabbi Tropp, but quite it seems to me that the mistakes he made were at least partially because Lanner "made people frum." If that's the case, we are talking about someone who in effect believes the ends justifies the means.

Additionally, where is the sign that he understands what he did was wrong, and how it happened? Kiruv is an industry that is anyway much to prone towards abuse of power, the cult of personality, and an ends justifies the means approach. If Rabbi Tropp has changed, we need to know how.

As for Rabbi Tropp not being a part of NCSY, you exaggerate a bit: http://burgncsy.org/index.php/alumni/about

Could it be that NCSY itself may still harbor resentment towards those who brought the house of Lanner down? Do they feel that at least Rabbi Tropp got a raw deal? Or do they think he learned from it and suffered enough?

Is Rabbi Tropp being embraced by the kiruv community because while Aish and the OU may reject the sexual and physical abuse of Lanner, they still embrace the 'ends justifies the means' approach of Tropp?

The Holocaust analogy is very fit...and suggests a solution to all the problems of assimilation:

Ask the gedolim what to do: And then do the exact opposite!

http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/lanner_baruch.html#Scrutiny

this story says it all, I believe someone like tropp cannot due teshuvah for his heinous crimes. At the very least he should be no were near children or young adults. The fact that any educational institution is willing to hire him says a lot about them. There are plenty of other ways for him to make a parnasa. If he has to flip burgers, then its the hole he dug for himself.

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