Kabbalist Rabbi Kaduri Identifies The Messaih

And his name is … Jesus Yehoshua. All I can say is, thank God it's not Mendel.

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[MO MAN]

He was right. Rabbi Balkany's name is Yehoshua! LONG LIVE OUR REBBE KING MOSHIACH YEHOSHUA MILTON BALKANY-THE BROOKLYN BUNDLER!

[Yochanan Lavie]

I don't listen to this sort of mumbo-jumbo anymore. Jews for Jesus will have a field day with this.

[DP]

1. Anyone could write chicken scratch like that and claim it comes from R Kaduri

2. R. Kaduri was not a prophet

3. Who gives a bunk who mashiach is

Why is the world so obsessed with the idea of a savior, it's nonsense.
Why don't people try to improve themselves and the world around them, then they might find that they themselves are really a mashiach.

The fact that a false religion has been created by the "apostle" Paul (who never actually knew Yehoshua of Nazareth) doesn't make Yehoshua's actual teachings wrong or invalidate the possibility he was Messiah ben Joseph. He was a Jewish Rabbi trying to reform the common people and get them to turn back to Torah by assuring them they didn't have to do all the idiotic takanot and ma'asim that were added to the written Torah. As for the "scribes" and "pharisees" - he told them plainly they were adding to the real Torah and substituting traditions for God's real word. You don't need to be a supernatural being to do that.

Jews for Jesus, on the other hand, is a group of apostates who break their covenant with God and exchange the festivals and mitzvot of the Torah for pagan Greek and Roman holidays and practices. And of course, catholicism and protestantism are nothing but mithraism in disguise - christianity is absolutely a false religion. But as long as a person is Torah observant, it shouldn't matter what they believe about who may or may not have been Messiah ben Joseph. There is no commandments to believe or not believe - there isn't even a commandment to believe in Messiah ben David, who is yet to come. Messiah ben David will be obvious to everyone and of course, does not have to be the same person as Messiah ben Joseph.

Since most of you have never read the greek texts concering Yehoshua (forget about those so-called works of "Paul" - most of them are antisemetic works of the catholic church written in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries), much less the original Aramaic and Hebrew texts, it is silly for you to say his actual teachings are against Torah or Judaism, because they simply aren't. It's a lie. Hasatan used "Paul" to twist his teachings and divert people from the truth. A serious study of his teachings shows this, and probably that's what this rabbi did - studied them seriously, without "Paul", and compared his teaching to Mesora, and found them acceptable. Condemning him for it is a knee-jerk reaction, not an honest appraisal.

[zach]

[Jesus] was a Jewish Rabbi trying to reform the common people and get them to turn back to Torah by assuring them they didn't have to do all the idiotic takanot and ma'asim that were added to the written Torah.

Well if you believe that the New Testament accurately represents his words (and if you do, may I recommend "Misquoting Jesus"), then Mark 7:15 belies your statement.

[Jim the Catholic]

Yehoshua eh? Sweet! Of course I prefer the Aramaic "Yeshua".

[Spiritual without religion, vegetarian with fish]

I just finished The Jesus Dynasty by James Tabor. I've always been torn between being attracted to Jesus as a prophet but repulsed by the excesses of Christianity. I agree with the commenter about Paul - what a nut job/manipulator. Tabor's book and blog with link below are very scholarly and provocative, while being dispassionate.

http://www.jesusdynasty.com/blog/

[Yos]

For some reason no one has yet acknowledged that all the Kaduri prophecy crap has come from his 'spokesman' Yehoshua Meiri.

Coincidence?

I think I'd prefer Oso Hoish.

[Anna]

Yes, but Yehoshua is Meshiah's title, like Christos (lo aleynu:-), and a name... a name is a big mystery.

Zach:

MArk 7:15 is a perfect example of a falsehood. The context of the passage is a complaint by the pharisees that they weren't washing their hands before eating. He replied there is no written commandment to wash their hands (which there isn't) and that eating with unwashed hands isn't going to put any uncleanness in you. Your spiritual uncleanness comes from your heart, not your hands. There's nothing in that that conflicts with the written Torah at all - but it certainly conflicts with the added traditions. If you are referring to a parenthetical comment later in that passage about making "all foods clean," every competent scholar acknowledges that the catholic church added that phrase after the fact, as it absolutely does not appear in the earliest manuscripts in either greek or hebrew and aramiac, so I don't know what you mean by "belies that statement." No competent scholar claims the "all foods" sentence is authentic, even the catholic ones.

I do not believe that the gospels are "scripture" in the same way I don't believe the books of Enoch, Jubilees, etc., are "scripture," - but modern linguistic research has clearly shown that the basics of the texts are reliable as far as the life and ministry of this Rabbi.

You can hardly claim that raising the dead isn't something real prophets did, because there are other instances in the Tanakh of prophets doing it. Ditto for healing the sick, etc. Compared to the obvious fiction of anyone ever making a "golem," there is nothing in the text that is even fantastic.

I get the impression your "Mark 7:15" quip is a quote you pulled from somewhere without ever having actually Mark, which is sad. As I said, knee-jerk "ah-ha-ism" and not real scholarship.

[shmuel]

"The fact that a false religion has been created by the "apostle" Paul (who never actually knew Yehoshua of Nazareth) doesn't make Yehoshua's actual teachings wrong or invalidate the possibility he was Messiah ben Joseph. He was a Jewish Rabbi trying to reform the common people and get them to turn back to Torah by assuring them they didn't have to do all the idiotic takanot and ma'asim that were added to the written Torah. As for the "scribes" and "pharisees" - he told them plainly they were adding to the real Torah and substituting traditions for God's real word. You don't need to be a supernatural being to do that."

So...according to your understanding of Jesus' message, the people didn't have to do all the "idiotic takkanot" of the Pharisees and scribes, eh?
Now read this and let's hear your pshat:

Matthew 23
1. Then Jesus spoke with the crowds and his disciples,
2. And he told them, "The scribes and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses.
3. "Whatever thus they tell you to observe, observe and do it; however, do not do according to what they do. For they say it but do not do it.
4. "And they tie heavy cargo and place it on the shoulders of human beings, they who do not wish to touch those things even with their finger."
[The rest is a bitter harangue against the alleged hypocricy of the rabbis. It goes on for at least another 25 verses or so.]

So, clear as day, Jesus wants the Jewish people to indeed do what the Pharisees tell them, including "idiotic takkanot." What he suggests is that his disciples and the people not model their behavior on the rabbis, but surely the people are to observe rabbinical takkanot. Care to rethink your earlier post?

[shmuel]

You also wrote above as follows:

"Since most of you have never read the greek texts concering Yehoshua (forget about those so-called works of "Paul" - most of them are antisemetic works of the catholic church written in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries), much less the original Aramaic and Hebrew texts, it is silly for you to say his actual teachings are against Torah or Judaism, because they simply aren't. It's a lie. Hasatan used "Paul" to twist his teachings and divert people from the truth. A serious study of his teachings shows this, and probably that's what this rabbi did - studied them seriously, without "Paul", and compared his teaching to Mesora, and found them acceptable. Condemning him for it is a knee-jerk reaction, not an honest appraisal."

Really? Jesus fits squarely into Jewish "mesorah"? Let's find out: speak, Jesus, speak!

"I am the way, the truth and the life," Jesus said. "No one can come to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

He also said, "I am the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in me, even though they die like everyone else, will live again. They are given eternal life for believing in me and will never perish" (John 11:25-26).

Nothing like that nonsense had ever been heard before in all Jewish history. Jesus was one hell of a self-absorbed maniac and you know it. Don't go blaming that quote from John on the Catholic Church, etc. Either he said it or he didn't. If he said it, he's crazy and outside the fold. No mesorah supports such a statement mouthed by a human. If he didn't say it, we can't look to Christian scripture for proof of anything. But it's there. Did the Church make up these verses, too?

[shmuel]

Finally, you wrote:

"(forget about those so-called works of "Paul" - most of them are antisemetic works of the catholic church written in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries)"

I have never read such crazy talk in all my life. Pure insanity. A total lie. Crap. BS. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. None. In what yeshiva did you learn your Intro. to Jesus? Bring one citation from a reputable scholar that your insane contention above has even a thimble's worth of water. One cite! From one academic! ONE!
ONE!!

[shmuel]

Finally, you wrote:

"(forget about those so-called works of "Paul" - most of them are antisemetic works of the catholic church written in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries)"

I have never read such crazy talk in all my life. Pure insanity. A total lie. Crap. BS. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. None. In what yeshiva did you learn your Intro. to Jesus? Bring one citation from a reputable scholar that your insane contention above has even a thimble's worth of water. One cite! From one academic! ONE!
ONE!!

[shmuel]

(sorry about that double post...)

[shmuel]

We'll end with this last piece of sheer ridiculousness:

"Hasatan used "Paul" to twist his teachings and divert people from the truth."

"Hasatan"? Satan used Paul to twist Jesus's sayings?
I must call the Pope, and Billy Graham, and the other millions of priests and ministers of all Christian denominations for the past 2000 years, and inform them of this revelation.

I like that maybe Yeshua of Galilee was experiencing the same thing we see today with these Charedim.
How they love the best seats in the shul, are loud in praying, make extra long their retzuas, which sounds akin to those who put on two sets of tfillin, extreme idiocy.
And how bout going around the world to make a ger and making him worse off as people then they are.
I dont know if the Nazareth Jew wrote this but somebody was pretty familiar with the same type of Rabbis we have to suffer with today. I think its wrong to claim some parts of the NT as antisemetic when talking about rabbi/leaders who acted much like they do today. A pigs a pig regardless if he has a cloven hoof.

[shmuel]

You made assertions above:

1. 'Jesus preached that the people should not listen to the Rabbis and shouldn't abide by their takkanot.'
I proved to you from Matthew that he specifically said the opposite, that the people should indeed do those takkanot, and your response? Silence to the issue at hand, instead I get a discussion of today's charedim.
I grant you that it is noteworthy that some practices of yesteryear seem to still be with us among some people, but we're talking about whether Jesus wanted the people to do Rabbinical edicts. You said he didn't, I proved he did.

2. You contended that Jesus fits right into Jewish traditional teaching, rabbinical mesorah. I offered only one example of his megalomania to demonstrate his being clearly outside that tradition. Your response? Silence.

3. You contended that Paul's epistles were written by the Catholic Church in the 2nd -4th centuries. I called you on it. Pure, utter bunk. Your response? Silence.

4. You assserted that Satan twisted Paul's message. I could barely type through the laughter. Your response? Silence.
Do you want to discuss arrogant charedi behavior? A different issue. You may have a point there. But you seem to have folded on your theological arguments above.

[Sara X]

This is fascinating, It makes you wonder who are worst, the current charedim ? or the Pharisees of the New Testament ?

There is a rabbi from Orange County, David Eliezri, who likes to go around and says that “it was the tight thing to kill Yishka “

Well obviously JC encountered the same 7 Perushim that spoken about even in the Talmud, the ones who close their eyes so as not to see a beautifull woman and ram their face into a wall etc, these are the guys he meant and are the same slime that replicate today.

Dear Shmuel:

Alas, another textual falsehood. In fact, there is a book about that modification in the text out which I got in the past year. The oldest hebrew and aramaic version of that passage don't match the catholic-approved greek versions. The reason the catholics made a change in that passage was, of course, to transfer to themselves, as the "new" priesthood, total control of "interpreting" scripture.

What the text really says, though, is that "the pharisees...sit the seat of Moses, therefore what HE says to you, do, but what THEY say to you, do not do..."

Any semi-competent grammarian knows that the HE of that sentence is MOSES, not the pharisees. Do what MOSES told you to do. Don't do what they told you.

Again, what I see here is somebody pulling a greek new testament off the shelf and looking for something stupid in it. Let me make this really clear - THE GREEK TEXTS ARE FAKES ALTERED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. They are doctored copies of hebrew and aramiac originals.

Shmuel:

Quoting from the book of John? Really, haven't you been listening? John is a gnostic text. Gnosticism was a heresy that integrated greek paganism into Hebrew concepts. Many Jews and Nazarenes followed the gnostic heresy, but it is not authentic to the period nor to the real apostles. Again, linguists have known this for some time. Why do you think that pulling quotes from unauthentic greek texts is going to "prove" the original hebrew and aramaic documents were "wrong" somehow?

Shmuel:

I see you were online on Saturday. We don't use the computer on shabbat, so that silence you were laughing in is me obeying something you obviously we not.

BTW, Shmuel, I have a degree in ancient philosophy, with minors in linguistics and judaic studies. It is you who have no idea what you are talking about. And yes, Billy Graham et al. has been teaching lies for 500+ years, the catholic church has been teaching lies for 1700+ years. Get over it.

which part of "christianity is a false religion" don't you understand?

[chief doofis]

Why is everyone here wasting their time over some obscure message from an obscure individual?

The Gemara in Sanhedrin (last chapter) goes through a whole litany of Tannaim and Amoraim attempting to predict when the Messiah will arrive. Any of the Rabbis mentioned in Perek Chelek, was infinitely greater than Rabbi Kaduri. I was a Yeshiva student for some 20 odd years, served as a Rebbe in a Yeshiva for several years, and have been involved in religious education ssince the 1970's. I never heard of Rabbi Kaduri until he died!!

At any rate, the Gemara itself, after citing numerous prognostications, comes to the conclusion that we ought not attempt to guess when the Messiah will arrive. In fact, the Talmud curses those who try. "Tipchoo atsmotom shel Choshvai Kitsin" (May the bones rot, of those who attempt to figure out when the end will arrive).

Assuming that R. Kaduri was over 100 years old at the time of his death, he would certainly have been a mature adult in 1939. Guess what he did not predict!!

Why assume that his predictions for other future events would be any more accurate?

[Yos]

Following my dream to live on a farm, I currently live more or less in the American bible belt. It makes for an interesting experience to hear Torah precepts filtered through goy folk tradition.

I'm not sure in what I believe personally, but seeing Xtians do there thing has fully convinced me that it is wrong to judge Oso Hoish by what his cult members said about him. The ability for such vast convolution opens up yet another can of worms for me concerning my beliefs. Especially post 3 Tammuz. It's difficult to find safe words to express these feelings.

I guess my point is, Jesus was Jewish, the definition of Orthodox is NOT static, the concept of the 'Messiah' exists (in my opinion) purely in the realm of mystical meandering, 2,000 years of being killed in the name of a first century Palestinian Jew pretty much rules out any chance of me seeing him as a deliverer regardless of what his intention was.

And Kaduri, I dunno. He seemed like a sweet old Tzadok, but trances and predictions of tsunamis leave me unimpressed.

[shmuel]

"Again, what I see here is somebody pulling a greek new testament off the shelf and looking for something stupid in it. Let me make this really clear - THE GREEK TEXTS ARE FAKES ALTERED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. They are doctored copies of hebrew and aramiac originals."
OK. I give up. I can't go back to the original Hebrew and Aramaic documents of Jesus' sayings because I really don't care all that much about a dead Jew who did some healings and ranted and raved against the rabbis of his day. The Talmud itself has no use for such hypocrites. I depend upon the English translations of the Greek. If there were wholesale changes by the Catholic church on every sentence in Christian Scripture, then I surrender.
2. "Quoting from the book of John? Really, haven't you been listening? John is a gnostic text. Gnosticism was a heresy that integrated greek paganism into Hebrew concepts. Many Jews and Nazarenes followed the gnostic heresy, but it is not authentic to the period nor to the real apostles. Again, linguists have known this for some time. Why do you think that pulling quotes from unauthentic greek texts is going to "prove" the original hebrew and aramaic documents were "wrong" somehow?"
John may not one of the synoptic gospels, and it may very well be Gnostic, but it's one of the 4 approved gospels, so I thought I'd go with it. And if Jesus said the same thing in the others, would it help me prove anything? No. You'd argue that there are changes in those 3 other gospels.
3.Shmuel:

I see you were online on Saturday. We don't use the computer on shabbat, so that silence you were laughing in is me obeying something you obviously we not."
LOL, really. LOL. Ever heard of Motzei Shabbat? Havdallah? Do they do that in your religion, distinguish between Shabbos and motzei Shabbos? You know, at 11:36 pm, long after Rabbenu Tam's zman? Check the time I posted, son.
4. Still BS on the Pauline epistles, which explains your silence. Still care to contend your nonsense?
5. Satan still perverting Paul's message? Still LOL funny, dude.

[shmuel]

"BTW, Shmuel, I have a degree in ancient philosophy, with minors in linguistics and judaic studies. It is you who have no idea what you are talking about."
At least I know when Paul lived, and that he wrote what he wrote and noone else. Don't blame Paul's letters on the Church fathers! Maybe Satan wrote them! ROTFLMAO.

shmuel,

your choice to resort to ad hominem attacks instead of presenting any actual opinions of any linguists or textual scholars shows that you have no intention of knowing the truth, you just want to ridicule and belittle a position with which you do not agree.

This is the exact sort of behavior that gives the cheredi a bad name in academic circles. Your refusal to accept proven secular knowledge simply disqualifies you from any sort of intellectually honest discourse.

Likewise, your apparent acceptance of fairy tales shows that you are incapable of realistically assessing the traditions you have received - such as believing the rabbis were making golems, writings (like Rashi) that there are mermaids in the ocean that can mate with human men, etc., from the mesora, believing that the earth is only a few thousand years old, ad infinitum. (oops, you probably don't read latin, either.)

What you have been taught in your tradition is wrong, period. As you said yourself, you're "not interested" in finding out the truth, because it threatens your false reality. You are exposed as a fraud who spouts off about things they know nothing about, from your own words.

I feel sorry for you, trapped in your fake little world, endlessly repeating mindless traditions and fables that God never commanded you to do, wasting your life serving power-mongering corrupt and sinful leaders who don't care one whit about you as an individual, and who would throw you to the dogs at the first opportunity if it meant an advantage for them.

You're situation is sad, but you have no choice but to cling to it, do you, because you have nothing else. You've invested so much of your life into lies that you can't even look at the truth anymore - it's too scary and painful.

You kick and spout off your mouth with rude and sarcastic comments because you have no other defense against the truth. This is what the rabbis have taught you, and you willfully stay on the sinking ship because you think you have to. It's sad.

Shalom, Shmuel. I'm sorry you are so filled with hate and anger. This is not way God wants you to be. I hope you learn that.

PS - BTW, the time posted on these comments is the time on Shmarya's server, not the time you were online in your time zone. They prove nothing concerning shabbat observance.

[shmuel]

Dear Mr.Anonymous,
Sit tight. Right there, in your little chair. I have to daven mincha. When I come back, get ready for a little Texas asswipping, because I have never read stupider blather in my entire life.

[shmuel]

Dear Readers,
Sorry if this debate has gotten tiresome, but it seems I've been offered the last word on this, so here goes:
Dear Sir,
You wrote:
"Your choice to resort to ad hominem attacks instead of presenting any actual opinions of any linguists or textual scholars shows that you have no intention of knowing the truth, you just want to ridicule and belittle a position with which you do not agree."

Ad hominem attacks? Moi? Nope. Now, if I called you "S---for brains," THAT would be an ad hominem attack. Up until now, it's been me attacking your positions. I even conceded a point or two. No ad hominems here.
And you? For all your self-inflated brilliance, Mr. "I studied philosophy in college," where are YOUR textual supports? How about a citation or two to some scholars to support your positions? In all your talk, over a two day period, you have not cited one single source, not one book, not one author, not one journal, not one textbook, not even one of anything, the entire time. You are either incapable of citing, or unwilling. Is this how you always debate? And expect to win? It is you who has referenced anonymous sources, asking the readers of this blog to trust you. Why should they? Why should I? You have not proven you are a credible source of anything. That's academic?

You write:
"This is the exact sort of behavior that gives the cheredi a bad name in academic circles. Your refusal to accept proven secular knowledge simply disqualifies you from any sort of intellectually honest discourse."
Dude, you don't know me. One bit. You have no idea what you're saying, to whom you're writing, nothing. I don't refuse "to accept proven secular knowledge" ---just the opposite. I've made lots of rabbis very uncomfortable with my questions, and I routinely read all the critical/secular stuff I can. I read the Daat Emet stuff on their website, I regularly read academic journals on Judaica, everything from JQR to Biblica to HUCA to Judaism to lots of others. I confess I am a frum maskil (but who isn't today?). Does this sound like the person you described? No. But what do you know?

You write:
"Likewise, your apparent acceptance of fairy tales shows that you are incapable of realistically assessing the traditions you have received - such as believing the rabbis were making golems, writings (like Rashi) that there are mermaids in the ocean that can mate with human men, etc., from the mesora, believing that the earth is only a few thousand years old, ad infinitum. (oops, you probably don't read latin, either.)"
Get a clue, big guy: fairy tales are fairy tales, even if rabbis write them. There was no Golem, there are no mermaids, no half-fish/half men beings which mate with humanity, the sun doesn't travel around the earth, there is no such thing as spontaneous generation, no such thing as half-flesh/half dirt mice, or animals with their umbilical cords attached to the earth, etc. I agree with you on all that. But there you went again, presuming stuff you don't know. For shame.
And Latin? Studied it in college, with German, and Hebrew. And your snide, contemptuous tone does you no good in an argument. You win few points with snide comments.
You further write:
"What you have been taught in your tradition is wrong, period. As you said yourself, you're "not interested" in finding out the truth, because it threatens your false reality. You are exposed as a fraud who spouts off about things they know nothing about, from your own words."

Really? What I have been taught in my tradition is "wrong, period"? What's wrong? That G-d exists? That He loves us? That He wants us to obey His will, and do His commandments? That He wants us to be charitable and loving to one another? That's my tradition. That's Judaism. That's what the rabbis have been teaching for the past two millenia. And it's wrong? Who do you think taught Jesus? Was he home-schooled because tuition was too high in ancient Israel? Nope. The doctors of the law taught him---and he didn't learn much, sadly. He learned to curse a fig tree because it wasn't blooming in season and couldn't give him its fruit. A real tough guy, cursing trees. And he said he came to deliver a sword, not peace. Another nice sentiment. And he railed and ranted against the rabbis. Very nice. Like there weren't saints among them. What a moron. And a megalomaniac to boot. I'm not going to cite Christian writings because none of it is true, right? So I won't bother. But it's all there. Some great message he brought. Something new! Better! A sword instead of peace. Cursing trees and rabbis. That's your messiah, buddy, not mine. And Paul? If not for him, this failed messiah would have been forgotten in short order and you know it. Peter's ideas weren't going to stay the course; Paul's was more open and inclusive. He won. A major religion developed. So watch what you say about Paul, big guy: thanks to Paul, you at least know about Jesus.

The rest of what you wrote deserves no comment: it's just mindless patter, sad little statements from a defeated man. You made ridiculous assertions about Paul and his epistles; when called on it, time and again, no response, no defense. You lost. And you lost further re: silly assertions about "Satan," as if you know anything about such things. Do your secular books and vaunted academics write that Satan perverted Jesus through Paul? Not a single one in all the history of Wissenshaft des Judentums would ever write something so dumb, so damn stupid. So knock it off, fella, and go back to reading your books which you'll never share with your readers, or with your debating opponent. Slink on back to your hole, don't feel sorry for me, and start learning some Torah.

[Dino]

Hi guys,

Please carry on with your discussion/debate! It is very interesting, informative and I'm learning a lot.

Fight if you must, but try and control your anger and frustration so as to keep the lines of communication open. It's tough, I know, but don't let your egos stop you from exchanging ideas.

Thanking you all, kindly.

Greetings!

[Patrick from Belgium]

Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

Lev 26:41 And [that] I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Is it possible that He came once as Messiah Ben Joseph and will return as Messiah Ben David?

Come soon Adonia Tsevaot

..
Blessings in the Name of our Lord Yeshua HaMashiah
from Patrick in Belgium,
(probably) not Jewish by descendance but desiring to observe and follow the True and Living TORAH...

[Sam]

This was already known in Zecharyah (perek 6:8-13) when YEHOSHUA ben Yehotzadak the high priest is crowned and over him as in mashal prophecy is declared: “Hinee ish Tzemmach shemo - Behold a man called Branch” - which is Mashiach as we all know.
We also know that in the far past in the time Yisrael was rescued by HASHEM from Egypt it is also said that malach panaw hoshi’am - the angel of His Pressence saved them (Yeshayahu 63:9). The archangels are according to midrash called after there quality, rapha’el because he cures, etc. So logicaliy the malach panaw that saves should be called Yehoshua or in Aramaic, Yeshua. An archangels is also called sar - prince (Daniel 10:21; 12:1), because of their might. He is also mentioned in the old prayers of Rosh Hashanah between the shopharblows as “Yeshua, sar hapanim - Yeshua, prince of the Pressence” (in some of the old ashkenaz and sfard [minhag Polin] machzorim based mahzor, you can find it at the Seder Tekiath Shophar)

[Chris Lashbrooks]

you were so busy fighting that you didn't notice the messiah return...

[Chris Lashbrooks]

by the way, wasn't yeshua's father's name Joesph???? messiah ben JOESPH?

[Tony Lee]

I'm a newcomer to the website but familiar with orthodox judaism and the essence of Chabad. What I'd like to know is what is the opinion of "Yehoshua" being a kabbalist. I've read some interesting things regarding his true message in terms of a kabbalist and not the person/deity/messiah as most people think. Thanks.

[abagail]

Well Yehoshua was surly someone of essence to bring about such interesting comments. Could someone please quote some refences of fact to energize the dialog.

[Jael]

If Rabbi Kaduri met the Messiah Jesus in a vision, what did he look like? What color were his eyes, etc.

I had a vision or real experience with the Lord in 1981 and it is as follows:

I was fully awake when this vision happened and very frightened at first. I woke up from a nap because there was a Presence at my bedroom door. The Presence was a Man dressed in a long white robe. When I saw him the room was engulfed in a white mist or cloud. At no time during or after the visitation did I suddenly wake up; I was awake the whole time. He sort of floated over to my bed and looked into my eyes. At that point, the words that came to my mind were from Matthew 28:20, “Lo I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.” This was my Confirmation Bible verse and has been a treasure to me over the years. After Jesus looked into my eyes, his body lifted up and went right through my bedroom wall. The white cloud or mist was gone. I then found myself getting off the bed and pacing back and forth saying, “Oh, my gosh, Jesus was here. It’s really, really, true.” That I made a comment like that troubled me because I was always a believer and yet I said, “It’s really, really, true!”

Many times people will ask what Jesus looked like. All I can tell you about the color of Jesus’ skin is that it had a slight color, but it was neither white nor black. His hair was brown and parted down the middle and our LORD HAD BLUE EYES. The color of His eyes troubled me for a long, long time because I always thought they would be brown. This was really a stumbling block for me so much so, that sometimes I wondered if I really saw what I saw.

I ceased being troubled about the color of Jesus’ eyes when I came across an article entitled, “DESCRIPTION OF JESUS,” (From a letter written by Roman Publius Lentullus to the Emperor, Tiberius) courtesy of Trinity Broadcasting Network. The contents of this letter reads as follows:

“There lives at this time in Judea a man of singular virtue, whose name is Jesus Christ, who the barbarians esteem as a prophet, but his followers love and adore him as the offspring of the immortal God.

He calls back the dead from the graves and heals all sorts of diseases with a word or a touch. He is a tall man, well shaped and of an amiable and reverend aspect, his hair color that can hardly be matched, falling into graceful curls, waving about and very agreeably couching upon his shoulders, parted on the crown of his head, running as a stream to the front after the fashion of the Nazarites: his forehead high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with a lovely red; his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard, and of a color suitable to his hair, reaching below his chin and parted in the middle like a fork; HIS EYES BRIGHT BLUE, clear and serene, look innocent, dignified, manly and mature.

In proportion of body most perfect and captivating; his arms and hands delectable to behold. He rebukes with majesty, counsels with mildness, his whole address, whether in word or deed, being eloquent and grave.

…He is temperate, modest and wise. A man for his extraordinary beauty and divine perfection, surpassing the children of men in every sense.”

I REMEMBER HAVING TO CRY AFTER READING THIS DESCRIPTION OF JESUS AND THAT JESUS DID INDEED HAVE “BLUE EYES.” THE EXPERIENCE SO TOUCHED ME THAT EVEN NOW, JUST THINKING ABOUT IT, BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, because this experience is my personal treasure and no one can take it away from me.

[Ha'' Moréh BenYâHmín Triguëros-Muñoz]

Yes,but not as that. His true, everlasting and only-saving name is YâHshW`aH, it is: Yud-qamëtz-Hai-Shin-Waw(vav)-Ayin-patakh-Hai. Clearly rab Kaduri «described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah». SIX LETTERS. "Jesus = He-Sus" means "The Horse" has 4 letters. "Yeshua" has also have 4 letters. "Yehoshua" has 5 letters. ONLY AND ONLY YâHshW`aH = YaH-Sh-Ù-`aH HAS 6 LETTERS. Please we are not deceived; we are not conceited to suffer dementia; Rebbe Kaduri was not mistaken. Incredulous, Whichever evidence require you more?

[Incredulous]

Umm... Jael? The NT itself says there wasn't anything particularly attractive about JC and his eyes were like flames of fire in Revelation. Anything Trinity Broadcasting says is entirely false and the ridiculous description sounds more homosexual then anything. Wiccans claim to see the Goddess. So what?

[iblong2gsus]

It is true that Jesus is said to have had no particular beauty. I have a hard time believing some manmade description of our Christ. He most likely resembled the jews of his day and his town, his eye color is unimportant, but again... the Bible says his eyes were like flames of fire (although, this refers to His second coming). I do not deny your experience because I belive that He reveals Himself to His children in many ways.
I hold tight to the promise that one day, soon, I will see Him face to face. It will not matter what He looks like, only that He chose not to see my sins and that I will be in His Presence for all eternity.

[David]

LOL! I fittingly western description of JC with rosey red cheeks, perfectly curled and parted hair, and dreamy blue eyes. This garbage never ceases to amaze me.

[T. Rav Joshua Ben Levi]

True that Jesus himself never wrote anything but even for those with a minimal knowledge of Jewish lore (Ha Aggadah), it stands clear that most of the teachings ascribed to him had a direct or indirect talmudic counterpart. For example: curing people at a distance- Rav Hanina Ben Dosa, a contemporary of Jesus, was known to be able to perform the same kind of miracles. Read Rav Abraham Cohen's "Everyman's Talmud" (ISBN 0-8052-1032-6) and check it out yourself.

[Ovadiah]

Wonders how many people have been named Yehoshua throughout history? Why is it Christians assume it refers to their Christ? They do and have done the same with our Scriptures for years, so it should come as no surprise. "You take Jesus, I'll take G-d"!!

[EnTeaJay]

How vicious the "dialogues" between self-proclaimed observant Jews are! Truly frightening and not at all charitable. As vitriolic as any statements by your Muslim arch enemies. But even surpassing this poison is your total ignorance of the New Testament and Catholicism. Really remakable, and reminds me of my late father's wry comment on a friend's lack of knowledge, which he said was an "encyclopediac ignorance and a wonder that just one single head can ignore so many facts!"