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Also, the Forward article:

The articles in question that have caused the C's to vent so much spleen on the worker abuse issue did not cite any evidence about wages being the "lowest" in the industry, abusive management practices or worker intimidation. The best the Forward could do was one individual repeating an anonymous piece of hearsay opinion, again, without supporting citation. It was this flimsily constructed polemic that the C's have been hammering with great frequency to their congregations almost to the point of hysteria; a latter day instance of the "big lie".

Left unanswered in all of this is the question of whether individuals affiliated with the Forward were, in fact, organizing on behalf of labor unions against AP. That would tend to skew the objectivity of their reporting, would it not? Likewise, were C leaders, like Rabbi Allen, also involved in the unionization effort (that has failed, BTW)? Might that also factor into their attempt to foment a crisis among their congregants?

Mike

Kosher today is not a real journalistic outfit. They have no credibility at all regarding any of their stories. In fact they are the ones that produce and make allot of money from "kosherfest" in which (surprise) Rubashkin is one of their biggest clients.

All they do is pump up "kosher" so they can sell the "kosher today" product, and "consulting" so people hire them for their "services". Much of it is them just taking peoples money so they can realocate the "kosher" consumer to the person that is their client.

D

"Kosher today is not a real journalistic outfit."

No question about that. It is Menachem Lubinsky's forum for publishing the opinions of Menachem Lubinsky and advocating his business interests. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

/Jerry_Seinfeld

Isa

I read that piece on R. Zeilingold
They will probably excommincate Symarya a couple more times har har

Ear to the Sidewalk.....

Kosher Today is the mouth pice of Menchem Lubinsky, not the kosher food industry.

It runs 'stories' based on who pays and how much.

Although he sold KFest a few years back and Kosher Today was part of that sale, he writes pretty much all of KT himself, and the folks over at Diversified, that own KFest, don't know much about the kosher industry, so they just let him run what he wants.

I can't wait for the day they get suied for liable. It'll happen soon, all they need is the wrong person/company, to NOT be paying Lubinsky.

(BTW-- Wasn't it Lubinsky that was being paid to help with PR for Agri back in May? Who placed that full page ad for Agri in Forward........?)

Anna

I Live in Jerusalem, and I don't understand a lot of American matters.
But one thing. How St. Paul, rahmana l’tslan, could be a good name for Kosher food emporium? Even a smallest shop? Dovke St. Paul among all of them? :-))

Az mi reit fun malekh, kumt der galekh.

D

"How St. Paul, rahmana l’tslan, could be a good name for Kosher food emporium?"

Well, Satu Mare (lit. Saint Mary. pthaah!) is the name for a community of a quarter-million chassidim. Why begrudge a small store?

Isa

The store isn't named 'St. Paul' it has another name, forgot what it was though, but people will refer to it by naming the city it is in. The other Kosher outlet is in Minneapolis, but really is in St. Louis Park, for short people will refer to it as 'Park' or perhaps 'Minneapols'

Yosef

Stick to the facts. Read the record below. Empire had repeated serious violations. Agri none. Most of Agri's inspections are caused by Union member's complaints

By the way, it is a myth that state programs are less strict than the Federal program. Indeed the opposite is true.

http://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establishment.violation_detail?id=308476332&citation_id=02001

*************** EMPIRE
____Activity__Opened_____number of violations
1 116208190_07/28/2006__4 violations
2 308476332_02/07/2006__5 violations
3 112668835_04/16/2004__8 violations
4 305841132_04/16/2004__11 violations


*************** AGRIPROCESSOR
___Activity__Opened______number of violations
1 308263789_02/07/2006__2 .
2 308263797_02/07/2006__1
3 308263128_01/09/2006__3
4 309642155_12/07/2005__1
5 308262294_11/21/2005__0
6 308260702_08/25/2005__2
7 115098394_04/22/2004__1
8 115098972_11/12/2002__1
9 115098915_09/17/2002__1

Shmarya

I did stick to the facts. In fact, Agri DID have violations as noted. You wrote Agri had "none." Second, state plan states are often easier than Federal OSHA. Iowa is certainly in the easier group. It is a state known for lack enforcement against its only major industy – Ag Business.

Elliot

Stick to the facts. I am not interested in your interpretations of facts that do not vouch for your ideologies.

Why don't you mention the fact that the violations committed by Empire are as serious or worse than those by Agri? How is it possible for a group of rabbis to claim that they have no concerns with Empire given its historical record with OSHA? What about your theory of companies playing clean when the "inspectors" come? Doesn't that theory applies when the "inspectors" are Conservative Rabbis? (I bet it was not so easy for Empire to fool the OSHA inspectors.)

I do respect your concern for employees in general, but question the validity of your arguments when it comes to this one case against Agri. Your opinions against Agri are biased.

Shmarya

I am sticking to the facts. I researched this, spoke with OSHA, Stae Plan OSHA, independent experts, etc. Empire's violations – if they were based in Iowa rather than Pennsylvania – would be similar to Agri's, but with one difference. Agri's violations are GENERAL. They lacked OVERALL training, etc. This is NOT true with Empire. This backs up the original Forward report and the findings of the Conservative rabbis.

Shmarya

"Yosef" and "Elliot" share the same IP address and appear to be the same person. You've got to work pretty hard to get banned here, but you've done it.

Elliot and Yosef

Work pretty hard to be banned? Did we curse, use profane language, mention any type of offensive language? I believe not. The only thing we did is to disagree with you and give sound facts against your conspiracy theories.

By the way, you should learn one thing from OSHA. Repeated violations are those that are found in subsequent inspections. (That is they were warned in the first inspection, and found to be repeated on a second inspection.) Agri has no repeated violations. Empire does. Hence, Empire got big time penalties.

Your research on OSHA is flawed.

Elliot and Yosef

Work pretty hard to be banned? Did we curse, use profane language, mention any type of offensive language? I believe not. The only thing we did is to disagree with you and give sound facts against your conspiracy theories.

By the way, you should learn one thing from OSHA. Repeated violations are those that are found in subsequent inspections. (That is they were warned in the first inspection, and found to be repeated on a second inspection.) Agri has no repeated violations. Empire does. Hence, Empire got big time penalties.

Your research on OSHA is flawed.

Shmarya

1. Elliot and Yosef are the same person. That gets you banned.

2. I think you need to study what I wrote. Again, and why this is so difficult to catch I don't know, Iowa is noted for having WEAK enforcement against agribusiness. Also, the violations against Rubashkin are GENERAL. Again, that means LACKING PROPER SAFETY TRAINING and similar things, just what the Forward accurately reported.

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