Neturei Karta Row Rocks London's Haredim

The London Jewish Chronicle reports:

HENDON ADATH synagogue was this week beginning the process of severing all its connections with its governing body, the Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congregations in Stamford Hill.

The North-West London synagogue had given the Union a 21-day deadline - which ran out on Wednesday - to dissociate itself through a public statement from the extremist, anti-Zionist Neturei Karta sect.

Hendon Adath had taken a stand against the Union inititally because - as revealed in the JC - its accounts showed it had given Neturei Karta more than £58,000 in grants.

More recently, Hendon's anger was rekindled by the sect's support for Hamas and Hizbollah and its appearance at two anti-Israel rallies, one of them on a Shabbat.

Zalmi Unsdorfer, a lifelong Hendon Adath member, said this week: "This is no longer about funds, or about Zionism or ideology. It amounts to a tacit acceptance by community [Union] rabbis of behaviour that they should have condemned as every bit as treif as a ham sandwich at a Kedassia function.

"Such condemnation should have been instinctive and not have to be forced upon learned rabbis under threat of secession or otherwise," added Mr Unsdorfer.

The decision means Hendon will no longer send representatives to Union meetings, allow Union notices to be displayed in its synagogues or take part in any Union-organized communal events. All Hendon's decisions on halachah and other religious matters will be decided by the synagogue's minister, Rabbi Pinchas Roberts. He, too, was under pressure this week to voice his opinion about the sect.

[Hat tip: moralclimate.]

Comments

[Ma. Rabbi]

Niturei Karta are a bunch of crazies.

[Yos]

Crazy or lying for the sake of being able to move in circles that would exclude... well, human beings. They've saved Iranian Jews from certain pogrom at least once. While it would nice to think that's the motivation, they're probably just crazy.

[anon]

I wonder if the Neturei Kartaniks believe that they will also get 72 virgins after they go upstairs

[avrohom]

anyone who goes hand in hand with arafat and protests together with nassralhs is an antisemite jew plain and simple...

[avrohom]

anyone who goes hand in hand with arafat and protests together with nassralhs is an antisemite jew plain and simple...

[avrohom]

anyone who goes hand in hand with arafat and protests together with nassralhs is an antisemite jew plain and simple...

[NoDemonstrations]

They themselves would like to fool you into believing they did anything of value in Iran. So would Ahmadinejad and company.

[Schneur]

Zalmi Unsdorfer should be congratulated for his campaign in the Charedi world against the NK
He exposed the fact that the mainline Charedi shul group in UK was supporting the NK. On wonders if Satmar and other groups in the US are not doing the same.

[Schneur]

Zalmi Unsdorfer should be congratulated for his campaign in the Charedi world against the NK
He exposed the fact that the mainline Charedi shul group in UK was supporting the NK. On wonders if Satmar and other groups in the US are not doing the same.

[Izzy]

I really question the authenticity of NK. Perhaps the oldtimers in it are authentic, but the younger ones appear not to understand basic halacha. They have been mechalel shabbos at least twice recently. They cannot be considered to be religious Jews.

One might even propose that the younger ones are not Jewish at all, but are merely wearing a Jewish costume.

[NoDemonstrations]

The real NK is in Yerushalayim and is run by the Katzenellenbogen family (since R' Amram Bloy had no linear descendants and his nephews are Lubavitchers). Moshe Hirsch is related to Katzenellenbogen by marriage but he is considered a breakaway and is in cherem because of his contacts with Arafat.

The Monsey and UK versions (and Friedman in Vienna) are a sick, pathetic joke. Just jerks looking for attention, and probably a sort of Mafia in the UK that may well extort support from fellow travelers.

Satmar does not hold by the NK at all - Friedman in Vienna did grow up in an unstable Satmar family but is basically the laughingstock of Williamsburgh. If anyone in the US supports them, it is individuals here and there from the fringes of Satmar, Skvere, Tosh, Kashoi, Munkacz, Nitra, and, some say, Breuer's in Washington Heights. But these are fringe individuals - no kehilla except for this scandalous Adath supports NK.

[NoDemonstrations]

The real NK is in Yerushalayim and is run by the Katzenellenbogen family (since R' Amram Bloy had no linear descendants and his nephews are Lubavitchers). Moshe Hirsch is related to Katzenellenbogen by marriage but he is considered a breakaway and is in cherem because of his contacts with Arafat.

The Monsey and UK versions (and Friedman in Vienna) are a sick, pathetic joke. Just jerks looking for attention, and probably a sort of Mafia in the UK that may well extort support from fellow travelers.

Satmar does not hold by the NK at all - Friedman in Vienna did grow up in an unstable Satmar family but is basically the laughingstock of Williamsburgh. If anyone in the US supports them, it is individuals here and there from the fringes of Satmar, Skvere, Tosh, Kashoi, Munkacz, Nitra, and, some say, Breuer's in Washington Heights. But these are fringe individuals - no kehilla except for this scandalous Adath supports NK.

[Ban the Satmar!]

I'm saying the following not as a right wing fanatic.I actually abhor the fanatic rightwing settlers almost as much as the Neturei Karta.However a line has been crossed when they atand with our enemies such as the Hizbullah.I think we all know that the Satmar give them tacit approval:I.e the Satmars will not protest together with the P.L.O or Hizbullah, but approve of this sick self hate.
Since the supporters of the Neturei Karta are the Satmar, it's time we organize a ban of their Kashruth supervision.Hit them where it hurts most.Unless they have the courage to declare publicly that they vehemently disagree with the NK's siding with sworn enemies.
Satmar:You are either with Jews or with the NK:Choose or be boycotted

[C-Girl]

NK is a form of theological evolution. What started as a splinter group of Agudath has grown into a force that defies containment. Remember, the seeds of NK were planted in the late 1930's as a fiercely traditional movement originated by the followers of the Vilna Gaon. It wasn't until a little later that they began to heed the call of the Dark Side.

In a sane, alternate reality, these guys would have no political clout and no credibility. It's the same establishment that Hendon Adath is severing links from that has permitted NK to grow into the hydra it is. Izzy, don't kid yourself that the "old-timers" have a link to halacha. They're the ones who looked at halacha and decided they could do it better, so they made their own. The next generation doesn't stand a chance.

And they've succeeded in gaining at least a sympathetic following among mainstream Jews- the ones who like dressing up and visiting Mea Shearim to get a taste of the "Old Country". An MO teacher at my kids' dayschool tried to explain that NK really isn't that bad- they're just misunderstood.

Until we recognize it as a problem greater, even, than Conservative Judaism (he, he..), we're not going to be able to reduce its hold on observant (and secular) Judaism's minds and wallets.

[NoDemonstrations]

The problem is that people, like that MO teacher, do not know the difference between Satmar, Toldos Aharon and its splinters, Dushinsky etc - and the rump NK. Everyone who does not know better thinks that all of Mea Shearim is NK. There are even old Yerushalmi Chabad chassidim there, and NK, both authentic and Hizbollox-loving, does not amount to more than 500 individuals and I am probably overestimating or including London and Monsey in that 500.

Satmar, Toldos Aharon, Toldos Avraham Yitzchok, Dushinsky, Masmidim, Munkacz etc do not want to see anyone but Moshiach replace the Zionist state, which they view as a mistake and do not recognize. They often demonstrate against desecration of Shabbos or of gravesites, and they do mourn on 5 Iyar, but they do not support the enemies of the Jewish people.

Rump NK (Nutter Kartel of London and Monsey)is out there looking for attention or perhaps is really a fifth column that was bought off by Iran or the Saudis or Syria and is serving as their useful idiots.

[NoDemonstrations]

The problem is that people, like that MO teacher, do not know the difference between Satmar, Toldos Aharon and its splinters, Dushinsky etc - and the rump NK. Everyone who does not know better thinks that all of Mea Shearim is NK. There are even old Yerushalmi Chabad chassidim there, and NK, both authentic and Hizbollox-loving, does not amount to more than 500 individuals and I am probably overestimating or including London and Monsey in that 500.

Satmar, Toldos Aharon, Toldos Avraham Yitzchok, Dushinsky, Masmidim, Munkacz etc do not want to see anyone but Moshiach replace the Zionist state, which they view as a mistake and do not recognize. They often demonstrate against desecration of Shabbos or of gravesites, and they do mourn on 5 Iyar, but they do not support the enemies of the Jewish people.

Rump NK (Nutter Kartel of London and Monsey)is out there looking for attention or perhaps is really a fifth column that was bought off by Iran or the Saudis or Syria and is serving as their useful idiots.

And Satmar (except a few individuals) is completely against NK, as per many statements by Reb Yoilish ZYA. You would find support for NK among the rump M'lochim of Williamsburgh, not among official Satmar.

[NoDemonstrations]

The problem is that people, like that MO teacher, do not know the difference between Satmar, Toldos Aharon and its splinters, Dushinsky etc - and the rump NK. Everyone who does not know better thinks that all of Mea Shearim is NK. There are even old Yerushalmi Chabad chassidim there, and NK, both authentic and Hizbollox-loving, does not amount to more than 500 individuals and I am probably overestimating or including London and Monsey in that 500.

Satmar, Toldos Aharon, Toldos Avraham Yitzchok, Dushinsky, Masmidim, Munkacz etc do not want to see anyone but Moshiach replace the Zionist state, which they view as a mistake and do not recognize. They often demonstrate against desecration of Shabbos or of gravesites, and they do mourn on 5 Iyar, but they do not support the enemies of the Jewish people.

Rump NK (Nutter Kartel of London and Monsey)is out there looking for attention or perhaps is really a fifth column that was bought off by Iran or the Saudis or Syria and is serving as their useful idiots.

And Satmar (except a few individuals) is completely against NK, as per many statements by Reb Yoilish ZYA. You would find support for NK among the rump M'lochim of Williamsburgh, not among official Satmar.

Finally, Satmar came out very clearly against the NK. They are more bothered by NK than anyone, because of the danger of misidentification.

[William Dwek]

When ‘dayanim’ and ‘rabbis’ use the Torah for their own power and commercial profit, this is the behaviour of a swine i.e. a Pig.

No other ‘rabbi’ will ever act against another ‘rabbi’ - even when he knows his colleague is clearly desecrating the Torah. Each rabbi is only worried about losing his own position.

Therefore, the ‘rabbi’ and ‘dayan’ will never effect justice. And he will never truly stand for the Torah or the Honour of Hashem. His pocket will always prevail.

The Torah must never be used for commercial gain and profit. Am Yisrael can only be lead by those who have the necessary love and respect of Hashem and the Torah.

[William Dwek]

1. The ‘dayan’ and ‘rabbi’ may use lies. They turn the innocent into the guilty, and the guilty, become the innocent. They will not hesitate to tell lies in the Synagogue.

2. The ‘dayan’ and ‘rabbi’ may steal. They steal and siphon off money for themselves, from the community and individuals.

3. The ‘dayan’ and ‘rabbi’ may shame a Jew in public, even repeatedly. This is one of the most vile acts of murder in Jewish law – and they know this.

4. The ‘dayan’ and ‘rabbi’ will not hesitate to use Lashon Hara - the ‘Evil Tongue’ - to suit his own ends. Slander and gossip. This too, is one of the worst acts of murder in Jewish Law. Their slander is never challenged by the community, because they hold positions of power. And the slander may begin with the Rebbetzin herself.

5. The ‘dayanim’ and ‘rabbis’ worship idols and other gods. Their only god is Money. Especially the ‘Dayanim’ – the ‘Judges’ who sit on a Beit Din. They only care about their high incomes and retirement packages. They have little or no love for the Torah or Hashem.

In the case of Lubavitch/Chabad, all their rabbis are carrying out a form of Avodah Zarah – strange worship. They are using mediation and intercession. This is completely forbidden, and against the Torah. We are only allowed to pray to Hashem, directly ourselves.

6. When the NAME of Hashem has been taken in Vain – repeatedly - by reshaim, the ‘rabbi’ will turn a deaf ear and blind eye to the

CHILLUL HASHEM.

This is the abhorrent behaviour of a Pig.

This is an extremely severe and dangerous situation.

There is NO forgiveness for this evil sin and aveirah.

7. The ‘dayan’ and ‘rabbi’ may also offer large bribes, tell lies and bring False Witnesses – when he in fact has committed the crime. These are heinous acts of the most despicable kind. This is especially vile when the ‘dayan’ is sitting on a ‘Beit Din.’

8. The ‘rabbi’ may commit adultery. And when he gets divorced, he may spread slander about his own ex-wife, blackening her name – when in fact he was at fault.

9. The ‘dayan’ and ‘rabbi’ may also desecrate Shabbat – if it suits him. He will use physical violence to assault another Jew or Jewess at any time. This evil and venomous behaviour is 100% against the Torah.